- prisoner repeatedly asks to be moved to another cell away from gay cellmate , clearly homophobic
- prison ignores his request
- prisoner ultimately kills gays cellmate
- prisoner charged with 1st degree murder
Who's to blame?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iSXM88tpmk
i've seen the term "homophobic" misused SO many times but this is the one time where it actually applies
this man was clearly afraid of being around this gay guy ....in his mind, rumors could possibly spring up outta nowhere about him being gay too, etc.
he was literally scared and was pleading to be removed ...
this is what phobia looks like.
and he eventually took matters into his own hands
that prison's refusal to remove this clearly homophobic man away from the gay man was irresponsible - at the least IMO
he seemed frantic :uhh:
still responsible for his actions and needs to be held accountable . but this could have been avoided - he actually reached out first
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 01:18:32 AM
- prisoner repeatedly asks to be moved to another cell away from gay cellmate , clearly homophobic
- prison ignores his request
- prisoner ultimately kills gays cellmate
- prisoner charged with 1st degree murder
Who's to blame?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iSXM88tpmk
The mama for not swallowing
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Prisoner is to Blame and the victim looks like Lew lol
vvcbvcvc he wasn't "scared"
he was hateful. and the prison was only wrong if the gay cellmate expressed concern for his safety. otherwise... this is prison not kindergarten. you dont get to pick ya partner!
Quote from: ophliyah on December 05, 2021, 02:04:02 AM
vvcbvcvc he wasn't "scared"
he was hateful. and the prison was only wrong if the gay cellmate expressed concern for his safety. otherwise... this is prison not kindergarten. you dont get to pick ya partner!
not saying he was scared of the gay man himself
read what i wrote carefully. he was scared of rumors coming up about him being gay as well, by association
which isn't unheard of or totally new. there are definitely men who are literally afraid to be around gay men not because they're scared of the men themselves, but they are very scared of perceptions that follow being associated with one - in any way. and the very real social consequences that come with that
is it a reasonable fear to have? who knows, i've never been to prison to know how the politics and social teas work there. but i def know it's not a stretch to say that the mess that goes down outside of prison may go DOUBLE when people are in prison with nothing better to do than look at walls and start mess.
and i mean we're saying "ur in prison! no right to choose who ur with!", but if they took his request seriously, it literally would have saved that gay man's life. imagine being the gay guy stuck in a small space with the crazily anxious homophobic hetero they won't remove from ur cell.
Quote from: Mrd0ndada on December 05, 2021, 02:08:54 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 05, 2021, 02:04:02 AM
vvcbvcvc he wasn't "scared"
he was hateful. and the prison was only wrong if the gay cellmate expressed concern for his safety. otherwise... this is prison not kindergarten. you dont get to pick ya partner!
Consequences of gay rumors in prison do include a threat to safety. That kinda goes without saying but continue quoting yourself . Brilliant
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 02:23:35 AM
not saying he was scared of the gay man himself
read what i wrote carefully. he was scared of rumors coming up about him being gay as well, by association
which isn't unheard of or totally new. there are definitely men who are literally afraid to be around gay men not because they're scared of the men themselves, but they are very scared of perceptions that follow being associated with one - in any way. and the very real social consequences that come with that
is it a reasonable fear to have? who knows, i've never been to prison to know how the politics and social teas work there. but i def know it's not a stretch to say that the mess that goes down outside of prison may go DOUBLE when people are in prison with nothing better to do than look at walls and start mess.
and i mean we're saying "ur in prison! no right to choose who ur with!", but if they took his request seriously, it literally would have saved that gay man's life. imagine being the gay guy stuck in a small space with the crazily anxious homophobic hetero they won't remove from ur cell.
but theres still no reason to kill someone for that. We should put as much blame on the actual murderer as we are putting on the prison for not reacting.
Quote from: BrandySavedMyLife on December 05, 2021, 05:05:49 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 02:23:35 AM
not saying he was scared of the gay man himself
read what i wrote carefully. he was scared of rumors coming up about him being gay as well, by association
which isn't unheard of or totally new. there are definitely men who are literally afraid to be around gay men not because they're scared of the men themselves, but they are very scared of perceptions that follow being associated with one - in any way. and the very real social consequences that come with that
is it a reasonable fear to have? who knows, i've never been to prison to know how the politics and social teas work there. but i def know it's not a stretch to say that the mess that goes down outside of prison may go DOUBLE when people are in prison with nothing better to do than look at walls and start mess.
and i mean we're saying "ur in prison! no right to choose who ur with!", but if they took his request seriously, it literally would have saved that gay man's life. imagine being the gay guy stuck in a small space with the crazily anxious homophobic hetero they won't remove from ur cell.
but theres still no reason to kill someone for that. We should put as much blame on the actual murderer as we are putting on the prison for not reacting.
I agree.
I did say that he's still accountable for his actions .
But this could have been prevented. He reached out before killing that guy . He tried to take a road that didn't include proving and validating his manhood through violence and was ignored. I'm not OK with that .
The power and pressure of hypermasculinity is not to be underestimated or taken lightly. Especially in prison where there's nowhere to run.
This case should set a precedent. That gay man should have been more protected. These are violent criminals in prison. They're not there because they have excellent self control and decision making skills.
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 05:12:23 AM
Quote from: BrandySavedMyLife on December 05, 2021, 05:05:49 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 02:23:35 AM
not saying he was scared of the gay man himself
read what i wrote carefully. he was scared of rumors coming up about him being gay as well, by association
which isn't unheard of or totally new. there are definitely men who are literally afraid to be around gay men not because they're scared of the men themselves, but they are very scared of perceptions that follow being associated with one - in any way. and the very real social consequences that come with that
is it a reasonable fear to have? who knows, i've never been to prison to know how the politics and social teas work there. but i def know it's not a stretch to say that the mess that goes down outside of prison may go DOUBLE when people are in prison with nothing better to do than look at walls and start mess.
and i mean we're saying "ur in prison! no right to choose who ur with!", but if they took his request seriously, it literally would have saved that gay man's life. imagine being the gay guy stuck in a small space with the crazily anxious homophobic hetero they won't remove from ur cell.
but theres still no reason to kill someone for that. We should put as much blame on the actual murderer as we are putting on the prison for not reacting.
I agree.
I did say that he's still accountable for his actions .
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Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 05:12:23 AM
Quote from: BrandySavedMyLife on December 05, 2021, 05:05:49 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 02:23:35 AM
not saying he was scared of the gay man himself
read what i wrote carefully. he was scared of rumors coming up about him being gay as well, by association
which isn't unheard of or totally new. there are definitely men who are literally afraid to be around gay men not because they're scared of the men themselves, but they are very scared of perceptions that follow being associated with one - in any way. and the very real social consequences that come with that
is it a reasonable fear to have? who knows, i've never been to prison to know how the politics and social teas work there. but i def know it's not a stretch to say that the mess that goes down outside of prison may go DOUBLE when people are in prison with nothing better to do than look at walls and start mess.
and i mean we're saying "ur in prison! no right to choose who ur with!", but if they took his request seriously, it literally would have saved that gay man's life. imagine being the gay guy stuck in a small space with the crazily anxious homophobic hetero they won't remove from ur cell.
but theres still no reason to kill someone for that. We should put as much blame on the actual murderer as we are putting on the prison for not reacting.
I agree.
I did say that he's still accountable for his actions .
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I feel that if you really want the freedom to decide who you keep around you then you should probably avoid jail and or prison.
it could all be so simple
:justabit:
Quote from: como la whore on December 05, 2021, 02:27:45 PM
I feel that if you really want the freedom to decide who you keep around you then you should probably avoid jail and or prison.
it could all be so simple
:justabit:
but ya'd rather make it harddd
Not him giving
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Who's to blame?? The fucking murderer...
Yea I'm sorry but this only on the person who decided to commit murder. For punishment now he should be placed with a bunch of super muscular gay inmates who can beat the shit out of him everyday
i think if an inmate is clearly homophobic and is requesting to be moved from a gay cellmate, the prison should take action.
men who are openly/clearly gay should not be in general population to begin with. it's a horrible idea. and a clear recipe for disaster and loss of life. let's start there.
yes, some can argue that the killer shouldn't have a right to decide who he bunks with
but be careful with that argument. because some could also argue that the gay guy doesn't have a right to decide either ...using that logic, the gay guy wouldn't have the right to approach anyone and say "as a gay man, im uncomfortable with this guy in the cell. he hasn't hurt me or anything but im just not getting a good feeling about this."
he's in prison, for not following the law...so he'll take what he gets, right?
and honestly based on how they threw him to the homophobic wolves, that seems to be the way the warden feels.
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 09:05:49 PM
i think if an inmate is clearly homophobic and is requesting to be moved from a gay cellmate, the prison should take action.
you have no rights in prison baby doll. suck it up and bend over
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 09:05:49 PM
yes, some can argue that the killer shouldn't have a right to decide who he bunks with
but be careful with that argument. because some could also argue that the gay guy doesn't have a right to decide either ...using that logic, the gay guy wouldn't have the right to approach anyone and say "as a gay man, im uncomfortable with this guy in the cell. he hasn't hurt me or anything but im just not getting a good feeling about this."
he's in prison, for not following the law...so he'll take what he gets, right?
I mean prisons are over populated, and they're for punishment. If they let this dude move cells then everybody else is gonna bring up whatever excuse to do it too. This was something was very extreme and hard to predict. These are criminals we're talking about. They're in there for killing, assaulting, rape etc. It's always a risk that someone can kill or harm their cell mate. This time it happened to the gay person but the gays in there can handle themselves. They didn't all get in there for nothing
i actually think this was a rare instance where it was easier to predict the outcome.
this is the very first time i've heard of a hetero inmate requesting to be removed from a gay man BEFORE attacking them
instead of waiting til afterwards to come up with some BS excuse.
from what i've seen, they usually don't bother to waste time requesting a transfer mess and just bash someone's skull in.
it's that missed opportunity they had to really intercept this that's a concern for me.
this man is responsible for his actions but, if his request was taken into consideration the gay man would have been alive.
He not only pleaded with the prison staff, but took the time to write an "urgent" letter to the prison counselor as well.
He kept trying to warn them of what was about to take place - in more than one way.
This was a missed opportunity to intervene.
QuoteKaren Prunick, a counselor at the Alger Correctional Facility, received an "urgent" letter from Madden on July 17th, just days before Burks was found dead. However, she did not read the letter until after the incident.
"'I've been placed in the cell with a homo,' in parenthesis, 'and that's not something I am into. I really need to get moved, I talk with the staff as soon as I seen his face. This is degrading and uncomfortable, I need to move today. Before we get into it, feel it coming please and thank you,'" said Prunick.
https://abc10up.com/2018/04/24/prison-counselor-and-correctional-officer-speak-during-madden-trial-day-2/
I mean this doesnt spell murder though. They probably expected a fight out of this at the most. This dude just took it too far and clearly shouldn't be around anyone at all.
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 10:25:17 PM
I mean this doesnt spell murder though. They probably expected a fight out of this at the most. This dude just took it too far and clearly shouldn't be around anyone at all.
it was a request based on the man's sexual orientation.
not a beef they had over stolen food or something.
which in itself spells a possible hate crime in the making and should be taken seriously
bodily harm was clearly not out of the question here.
and a "fight" implies some sort of two-sided issue/battle. not a man telling people to get him away from a fag.
this was a red flag.
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 10:27:07 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 10:25:17 PM
I mean this doesnt spell murder though. They probably expected a fight out of this at the most. This dude just took it too far and clearly shouldn't be around anyone at all.
it was a request based on the man's sexual orientation.
not a beef they had over stolen food or something.
which in itself spells a possible hate crime in the making and should be taken seriously
he didnt say "Im going to kill him" though he said "before WE get into it" which is like we might argue or fight
which happens in prison a lot Im sure not expecting this man to give up any chance at ever getting out of prison
by committing murder. I dont think we're on the same page about how extreme it was to kill in this instance
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 10:33:57 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 10:27:07 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 10:25:17 PM
I mean this doesnt spell murder though. They probably expected a fight out of this at the most. This dude just took it too far and clearly shouldn't be around anyone at all.
it was a request based on the man's sexual orientation.
not a beef they had over stolen food or something.
which in itself spells a possible hate crime in the making and should be taken seriously
he didnt say "Im going to kill him" though he said "before WE get into it" which is like we might argue or fight
which happens in prison a lot Im sure not expecting this man to give up any chance at ever getting out of prison
by committing murder. I dont think we're on the same page about how extreme it was to kill in this instance
a "fight" implies some sort of two-sided issue/battle. not a man telling people to get him away from a fag.
"get into it" was his way of saying someone's about to get hurt.
i doubt the gay guy was an aggressor in this situation, considering the hetero guy says he complained about him from the moment he laid eyes on him.
before the gay guy even opened his mouth, he wanted to get away from him.
this wasn't a "fight". it was a hate crime about to unfold.
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
"get into it" was his way of saying someone's about to get hurt.
i doubt the gay guy was an aggressor in this situation, considering the hetero guy says he complained about him from the moment he laid eyes on him.
before the gay guy even opened his mouth, he wanted to get away from him.
this wasn't a "fight". it was a hate crime about to unfold.
this is true, however the prison didn't know it was gonna be this. Two grown able bodied adult criminals were in that cell. Anything could've happened
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 09:05:49 PM
i think if an inmate is clearly homophobic and is requesting to be moved from a gay cellmate, the prison should take action.
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ms. teacher, can i move seats?! ion like him! :plzstop:
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
"get into it" was his way of saying someone's about to get hurt.
i doubt the gay guy was an aggressor in this situation, considering the hetero guy says he complained about him from the moment he laid eyes on him.
before the gay guy even opened his mouth, he wanted to get away from him.
this wasn't a "fight". it was a hate crime about to unfold.
this is true, however the prison didn't know it was gonna be this. Two grown able bodied adult criminals were in that cell. Anything could've happened
labeling them both as criminals is assuming that they're both guilty of whatever they're being held for
Maybe it's fair to say that for the killer , given his behavior it's more likely he has a past of aggression and violence but we don't know what the gay man was guilty of.
Totally unfair to brand him as a criminal who's capable of anything with absolutely no knowledge of who he was .
Quote from: ophliyah on December 05, 2021, 11:20:59 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 09:05:49 PM
i think if an inmate is clearly homophobic and is requesting to be moved from a gay cellmate, the prison should take action.
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ms. teacher, can i move seats?! ion like him!
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that's a great comparison ! makes total sense
If I were the gay guy in that cell and I knew this crazily anxious homophobic man was tryna get away from me ... I woulda been banging on doors and writing letters tryna get him out and away from me too
Like how can I help him in this mission. Let's get you tf outta here before you lose it.
But It's very likely he didn't know the guy was tryna get away from him. I highly doubt the hetero was sitting having heart to heart convos with him about the mission.
It's both the prisoner and the prisons fault.
The prison should've done what they could to safeguard vulnerable prisoners, if there is an active threat against another prisoner based on gender, race, sexuality etc then they have a duty and responsibility to act upon it. It's law and policy.
I get that it's not high school, and these are adults but all prisons DO have safeguarding measures in place to protect more vulnerable prisoners who may be more and susceptible to other prisoners who are in for more serious crimes like rape and murder. ESPECIALLY when there is a threat of harm against another prisoner simply for being gay :dead:
That's why there are separate wings for levels of crime and offenders, mental health prisoners are kept away from the general population, those who are vulnerable due to their sexuality and the way they present are also kept separate and etc etc
What was the crime that landed the homosexual in prison?
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 04:32:32 AM
It's both the prisoner and the prisons fault.
The prison should've done what they could to safeguard vulnerable prisoners, if there is an active threat against another prisoner based on gender, race, sexuality etc then they have a duty and responsibility to act upon it. It's law and policy.
I get that it's not high school, and these are adults but all prisons DO have safeguarding measures in place to protect more vulnerable prisoners who may be more and susceptible to other prisoners who are in for more serious crimes like rape and murder. ESPECIALLY when there is a threat of harm against another prisoner simply for being gay :dead:
That's why there are separate wings for levels of crime and offenders, mental health prisoners are kept away from the general population, those who are vulnerable due to their sexuality and the way they present are also kept separate and etc etc
!!!!
The fact that gay men are thrown in general population to begin with is a no no . Before we even get to any specific case by case details
There are some prisons in America that realize this and actually have areas of the prison specifically for gay men . It's very few but they exist . The others just need to catch up
And We have to be careful with saying things like "you did the crime , now you have no rights in prison! It's what you deserve! Just do your time and shut up" because thoughts like that are flirting with dehumanization. We still have people locked up for just selling an ounce of weed in areas where it's not yet legalized, etc. so we should at least find out what landed them there before feeling that stripping someone of their rights is justified .
QuoteThe defendants are Warden Catherine S. Bauman, Deputy Warden Robert Wickstrom, prison Administrator Dean Potilla and 18 other staff members.
Inmates and corrections officer knew not only that Burks was homosexual, but that Madden was "homophobic," states the lawsuit filed by the Geoffrey Fieger law firm on behalf of Burks' mother, Dequita Burks. She is the personal representative of Rodriguez Burks' estate.
The lawsuit alleges that both men asked to be separated, and that Madden repeatedly told a corrections officer that if he wasn't moved, "'I'm gonna hurt this guy.'"
"However, each of the Defendants named herein ignored the threats and simply left Madden and the decedent Rodriguez Burks, in the same cell knowing that harm would result" to Burks, the lawsuit states.
Burks was found dead in his cell on July 20, 2017, lying face down and suffering from a traumatic head injury, the lawsuit states. Burks' death came two days after Madden was placed in the cell with him.
The prison failed to have policies in place to identify and protect inmates, especially homosexuals and African Americans, from harm, the lawsuit alleges.
Burks had been sentenced to prison in December 2016 for fleeing and eluding police and receiving stolen property, and was classified as level 4 security, according to the lawsuit.
Madden, a security level 5 inmate, was transferred to Alger on July 18, 2017, from the Marquette Correctional Facility because of overcrowding, according to the lawsuit. Madden is serving a sentence for carjacking, assault with intent to murder and armed robbery.
Like c'mon
It's clear cut :dead:
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
"get into it" was his way of saying someone's about to get hurt.
i doubt the gay guy was an aggressor in this situation, considering the hetero guy says he complained about him from the moment he laid eyes on him.
before the gay guy even opened his mouth, he wanted to get away from him.
this wasn't a "fight". it was a hate crime about to unfold.
this is true, however the prison didn't know it was gonna be this. Two grown able bodied adult criminals were in that cell. Anything could've happened
He's in for armed robbery and attempted murder :dead:
Did they think he was going to enage him in a vogue battle?
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 07:43:20 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
"get into it" was his way of saying someone's about to get hurt.
i doubt the gay guy was an aggressor in this situation, considering the hetero guy says he complained about him from the moment he laid eyes on him.
before the gay guy even opened his mouth, he wanted to get away from him.
this wasn't a "fight". it was a hate crime about to unfold.
this is true, however the prison didn't know it was gonna be this. Two grown able bodied adult criminals were in that cell. Anything could've happened
He's in for armed robbery and attempted murder :dead:
Did they think he was going to enage him in a vogue battle?
so, because the dude that died is gay
That means he's weak and only can "Vogue" and not defend himself?
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 07:51:52 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 07:43:20 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
"get into it" was his way of saying someone's about to get hurt.
i doubt the gay guy was an aggressor in this situation, considering the hetero guy says he complained about him from the moment he laid eyes on him.
before the gay guy even opened his mouth, he wanted to get away from him.
this wasn't a "fight". it was a hate crime about to unfold.
this is true, however the prison didn't know it was gonna be this. Two grown able bodied adult criminals were in that cell. Anything could've happened
He's in for armed robbery and attempted murder :dead:
Did they think he was going to enage him in a vogue battle?
so, because the dude that died is gay
That means he's weak and only can "Vogue" and not defend himself?
I was being sarcasitic
:rudone:
"Madden, a security level 5 inmate, was transferred to Alger on July 18, 2017, from the Marquette Correctional Facility because of overcrowding"
I knew it. These prisons are terribly overcrowded they probably didn't have anywhere else to put them anyway, and this deranged ass dude would've probably killed whoever his next cellmate was too
He wasn't deranged, he wasn't suffering from mental health issue's
he was homophobic and violent, sdsad let's not give him that :dead:
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 07:41:10 AM
QuoteThe defendants are Warden Catherine S. Bauman, Deputy Warden Robert Wickstrom, prison Administrator Dean Potilla and 18 other staff members.
Inmates and corrections officer knew not only that Burks was homosexual, but that Madden was "homophobic," states the lawsuit filed by the Geoffrey Fieger law firm on behalf of Burks' mother, Dequita Burks. She is the personal representative of Rodriguez Burks' estate.
The lawsuit alleges that both men asked to be separated, and that Madden repeatedly told a corrections officer that if he wasn't moved, "'I'm gonna hurt this guy.'"
"However, each of the Defendants named herein ignored the threats and simply left Madden and the decedent Rodriguez Burks, in the same cell knowing that harm would result" to Burks, the lawsuit states.
Burks was found dead in his cell on July 20, 2017, lying face down and suffering from a traumatic head injury, the lawsuit states. Burks' death came two days after Madden was placed in the cell with him.
The prison failed to have policies in place to identify and protect inmates, especially homosexuals and African Americans, from harm, the lawsuit alleges.
Burks had been sentenced to prison in December 2016 for fleeing and eluding police and receiving stolen property, and was classified as level 4 security, according to the lawsuit.
Madden, a security level 5 inmate, was transferred to Alger on July 18, 2017, from the Marquette Correctional Facility because of overcrowding, according to the lawsuit. Madden is serving a sentence for carjacking, assault with intent to murder and armed robbery.
Like c'mon
It's clear cut :dead:
this makes sense.
The gay guy was asking for separation too. I believe it.
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 03:58:58 AM
If I were the gay guy in that cell and I knew this crazily anxious homophobic man was tryna get away from me ... I woulda been banging on doors and writing letters tryna get him out and away from me too
Like how can I help him in this mission. Let's get you tf outta here before you lose it.
Many of Those correction officers are heartless...which is understandable to an extent because it definitely takes a certain type of person/personality to deal with inmates every day
I can def see them ignoring both of their requests and just waiting to see how the mess would unfold .
Quote from: ophliyah on December 05, 2021, 02:04:02 AM
vvcbvcvc he wasn't "scared"
he was hateful. and the prison was only wrong if the gay cellmate expressed concern for his safety. otherwise... this is prison not kindergarten. you dont get to pick ya partner!
ok yea, since THIS has been confirmed the prison was definitely wrong in part as well.
Of course the gay guy wanted to get away from a raging homophobic
Did we really need to put on a thinking cap to assume that?
Which goes back to the prison needing to remove him as requested
And not comparing it to someone approaching an elementary teacher saying they wanna be moved cuz the classmate next to them has the cooties . :disgusted:
of course ! ASSumed !
again, now that its been confirmed, prison definitely holds some responsibility
gay guy coulda easily been giving
i aint scared !
:plea:
IMO You were way too focused on it being about honoring the hetero inmates request as some sort of special privilege to HIM
"who he think he is making special requests :uhh: U take what u get in prison!"
As opposed to thinking about how his request being honored could have saved the gay mans life.
It's not about obliging him. It's not about following his orders and requests cuz he's so special. It's about getting him away from that gay man who obviously needed to be saved from him.
Does that make sense?
And we can't pretend like we don't know how these stories go .
Gay men usually aren't the aggressors in these situations.
This man says he had an issue with the gay guy before he even opened his mouth. If there was any aggression from the gay guy from that point , it was to defend himself the best way he could given the circumstances of having nowhere to run.
It's unrealistic and even unfair to act as if he was up in that jail cell challenging the hetero guy to a boxing match. Keep it real.
vcvccccc it WAS a special request and it SHOULD'NT have been honored. if they moved prisoners around everytime violence was threatened, it would be a non stop game of musical chairs.
and NOW that we know the gay dude was in fear and requested to be moved for his safety, for THAT reason alone they should have been seperated.
can you comprehend that?
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
vcvccccc it WAS a special request and it SHOULD'NT have been honored. if they moved prisoners around everytime violence was threatened, it would be a non stop game of musical chairs.
and NOW that we know the gay dude was in fear and requested to be moved for his safety, for THAT reason alone they should have been seperated.
can you comprehend that?
youre saying his request shouldn't have been honored but you're saying they should have been separated
Are you even comprehending what you're saying?
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
vcvccccc it WAS a special request and it SHOULD'NT have been honored. if they moved prisoners around everytime violence was threatened, it would be a non stop game of musical chairs.
and NOW that we know the gay dude was in fear and requested to be moved for his safety, for THAT reason alone they should have been seperated.
can you comprehend that?
youre saying his request shouldn't have been honored but you're saying they should have been separated
Are you even comprehending what you're saying?
ccxccxcc are YOU ?
:omf:
The bottom line is that we've come to a conclusion that the prison was in the wrong . Given the situation that was obvious to me from the jump and I didn't need a rundown of information regarding the usual story of the homophobic aggressor vs the gay guy to help me come to that conclusion.
The additional details were no surprise to me.
We know how these stories go. Don't play dumb just for the sake of being right.
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
vcvccccc it WAS a special request and it SHOULD'NT have been honored. if they moved prisoners around everytime violence was threatened, it would be a non stop game of musical chairs.
and NOW that we know the gay dude was in fear and requested to be moved for his safety, for THAT reason alone they should have been seperated.
but violence was threated thus far the gay prisoner requesting to move out of fear :disgusted:
we know how these stories go ! expert on prison affairs!
:plzstop:
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
vcvccccc it WAS a special request and it SHOULD'NT have been honored. if they moved prisoners around everytime violence was threatened, it would be a non stop game of musical chairs.
and NOW that we know the gay dude was in fear and requested to be moved for his safety, for THAT reason alone they should have been seperated.
but violence was threated thus far the gay prisoner requesting to move out of fear :disgusted:
jesus
lemme break this down. in the inital post it did not state the gay dude requested to be moved as well. just that the muderer had requested cuz he dont like gay people. THAT request should have been ignored cuz u in prison nigga u dont get to choose ya cell mate.
AFTER learning that the gay dude requested to be moved put of fear fot his safety, k believe the GAY DUDES request should have been honored as i stated above. just because the murder threatened violence that doesnt automatically mean the gay dude was scared. after all, they are BOTH in prison.
can you comprehend now? shit.
Do you know what homophobic men in prison do to gay men Oph?
Take a wild guess.
Yes im an "expert" ... on common sense lol
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
vcvccccc it WAS a special request and it SHOULD'NT have been honored. if they moved prisoners around everytime violence was threatened, it would be a non stop game of musical chairs.
and NOW that we know the gay dude was in fear and requested to be moved for his safety, for THAT reason alone they should have been seperated.
but violence was threated thus far the gay prisoner requesting to move out of fear :disgusted:
jesus
lemme break this down. in the inital post it did not state the gay dude requested to be moved as well. just that the muderer had requested cuz he dont like gay people. THAT request should have been ignored cuz u in prison nigga u dont get to choose ya cell mate.
AFTER learning that the gay dude requested to be moved put of fear fot his safety, k believe the GAY DUDES request should have been honored as i stated above. just because the murder threatened violence that doesnt automatically mean the gay dude was scared. after all, they are BOTH in prison.
can you comprehend now? shit.
girl this is all double talk :dead:
I cba
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
vcvccccc it WAS a special request and it SHOULD'NT have been honored. if they moved prisoners around everytime violence was threatened, it would be a non stop game of musical chairs.
and NOW that we know the gay dude was in fear and requested to be moved for his safety, for THAT reason alone they should have been seperated.
but violence was threated thus far the gay prisoner requesting to move out of fear :disgusted:
jesus
lemme break this down. in the inital post it did not state the gay dude requested to be moved as well. just that the muderer had requested cuz he dont like gay people. THAT request should have been ignored cuz u in prison nigga u dont get to choose ya cell mate.
AFTER learning that the gay dude requested to be moved put of fear fot his safety, k believe the GAY DUDES request should have been honored as i stated above. just because the murder threatened violence that doesnt automatically mean the gay dude was scared. after all, they are BOTH in prison.
can you comprehend now? shit.
girl this is all double talk :dead:
cbvbvvvbb
double talk !👍🏾
Oph?
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:36:31 AM
Do you know what homophobic men in prison do to gay men Oph?
Take a wild guess.
Yes im an "expert" ... on common sense lol
Yh, that's what I said...double talk.
But dndndnd' away
:mmywheresddy:
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:36:31 AM
Do you know what homophobic men in prison do to gay men Oph?
Take a wild guess.
Yes im an "expert" ... on common sense lol
this is "common sense". this is sn assumption that all gay men are weak and get punked by homophobes in prison
cvccvcvvccv
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:43:07 AM
Yh, that's what I said...double talk.
But dndndnd' away
:mmywheresddy:
k
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:42:59 AM
Oph?
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:36:31 AM
Do you know what homophobic men in prison do to gay men Oph?
Take a wild guess.
Yes im an "expert" ... on common sense lol
damn, gimme a sec sis
:calmdownsis:
Honestly especially in jail the whole gay thing seems to be complicated. There's men having sex with other men but still claiming to be straight. There's openly gay men who will beat the hell out of you gay or straight. There's straight men who get raped by gay men that happen to be bigger and stronger than them. IDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:44:30 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:36:31 AM
Do you know what homophobic men in prison do to gay men Oph?
Take a wild guess.
Yes im an "expert" ... on common sense lol
this is "common sense". this is sn assumption that all gay men are weak and get punked by homophobes in prison
cvccvcvvccv
this is not an assumption of weakness. It's a history of vulnerability backed by actual data/statistics .
QuoteLesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) prisoners often face additional challenges compared to non-LGBT prisoners. According to Just Detention International, LGBT inmates are "among the most vulnerable in the prison population". 67% of LGBT prisoners in California report being assaulted while in prison. The vulnerability of LGBT prisoners has led some prisons to separate them from other prisoners, while in others they are housed with the general population.
Your turn . 🤷🏾
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
One is an armed robber and attempted murderer, the other is in for robbery and fleeing the police :dead:
The power play and level of criminality between the two aren't the same here
The straight man is clearly more violent and dangerous here proved by his crime.
And it's not far fetched or scandalous to say that LBGT prisoners are targeted in prison.
There's a whole reason why in a lot of prisons they are in their own wing
No one is pulling and playing the weak! Defenceless! card here, it's just a fact. LGBT prisoners are at higher risk of targeted violence.
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
what's your point here
:uhh:
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:17 AM
One is an armed robber
but he didn't have his weapon in the prison. Anybody can be tough with a gun. Without that they were 2 thieves in a cell
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:17 AM
One is an armed robber
but he didn't have his weapon in the prison. Anybody can be tough with a gun. Without that they were 2 thieves in a cell
ok and again
What is your point
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
what's your point here
that there were 2 grown men who equally were able to harm each other in this instance. The gay one wasn't at a disadvantage at all
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
well most living creatures will try to defend themselves to save their lives
King what exactly is this proving ?
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:17 AM
One is an armed robber
but he didn't have his weapon in the prison. Anybody can be tough with a gun. Without that they were 2 thieves in a cell
ok and again
What is your point
already answered
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
well most living creatures will try to defend themselves to save their lives
King what exactly is this proving ?
that straight criminals are not more or less dangerous than gay ones
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:58:49 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
what's your point here
that there were 2 grown men who equally were able to harm each other in this instance. The gay one wasn't at a disadvantage at all
gay men (particularly gay men who are clockable/noticeably gay) are at a "disadvantage" from the moment they step foot into a jail cell
He ultimately lost his life because of his sexuality. Not because he started beef , not because he stole someone's food ...simply because he was gay, someone didn't like it and didn't feel he deserved to breathe around them
How is this not a "disadvantage"? If he were straight, chances are he'd still be alive. Think about it king . Think hard.
When I was talking about their crimes I was referencing the fact that he already has a propensity for violence where the other one does not :dead:
He's in for attempted murder and armed robbery and made threats to harm his cell late a few times...
The level of aggression and violence between the two is unbalanced here.
Are we not seeing the obvious power struggle here?
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
well most living creatures will try to defend themselves to save their lives
King what exactly is this proving ?
that straight criminals are not more or less dangerous than gay ones
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Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:17 AM
One is an armed robber
but he didn't have his weapon in the prison. Anybody can be tough with a gun. Without that they were 2 thieves in a cell
did you read what they were in prison for :uhh:
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Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:58:49 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
what's your point here
that there were 2 grown men who equally were able to harm each other in this instance. The gay one wasn't at a disadvantage at all
gay men (particularly gay men who are clockable/noticeably gay) are at a "disadvantage" from the moment they step foot into a jail cell
He ultimately lost his life because of his sexuality. Not because he started beef , not because he stole someone's food ...simply because he was gay, someone didn't like it and didn't feel he deserved to breathe around them
How is this not a "disadvantage"? If he were straight, chances are he'd still be alive. Think about it king . Think hard.
a sassy, lisping, flamboyant gay man still can physically beat up a straight man. You'd be surprised how often this happens. They may be more likely to be approached but they are in there shanking niggas just like everyone else. It's JAIL they're not in there because they're polite well-behaved angels
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 12:03:20 PM
When I was talking about their crimes I was referencing the fact that he already has a propensity for violence where the other one does not :dead:
He's in for attempted murder and armed robbery and made threats to harm his cell late a few times...
The level of aggression and violence between the two is unbalanced here.
Are we not seeing the obvious power struggle here?
he was ARMED when his crimes happened. So again that still doesn't make him anymore tough when he's without it. The girls from Set It Off were armed robbers, you think Jada Pinkett would be able to beat up this gay dude?
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 12:07:20 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:58:49 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
what's your point here
that there were 2 grown men who equally were able to harm each other in this instance. The gay one wasn't at a disadvantage at all
gay men (particularly gay men who are clockable/noticeably gay) are at a "disadvantage" from the moment they step foot into a jail cell
He ultimately lost his life because of his sexuality. Not because he started beef , not because he stole someone's food ...simply because he was gay, someone didn't like it and didn't feel he deserved to breathe around them
How is this not a "disadvantage"? If he were straight, chances are he'd still be alive. Think about it king . Think hard.
a sassy, lisping, flamboyant gay man still can physically beat up a straight man. You'd be surprised how often this happens. They may be more likely to be approached but they are in there shanking niggas just like everyone else. It's JAIL they're not in there because they're polite well-behaved angels
ray this is not about physical strength. Of course there are gay men who can fight and have muscles etc.
I'm from the hood. I've seen them. They exist. Lol
This is about someone being targeted JUST because they're perceived to be gay. This is about someone's chances of being attacked or being killed in prison climbing significantly higher just because they enter as a gay person
This about them being a minority in a prison dominated by men who are not gay or gay identifying (being outnumbered), and how that can affect them . That is the disadvantage.
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 12:03:20 PM
When I was talking about their crimes I was referencing the fact that he already has a propensity for violence where the other one does not :dead:
He's in for attempted murder and armed robbery and made threats to harm his cell late a few times...
The level of aggression and violence between the two is unbalanced here.
Are we not seeing the obvious power struggle here?
he was ARMED when his crimes happened. So again that still doesn't make him anymore tough when he's without it. The girls from Set It Off were armed robbers, you think Jada Pinkett would be able to beat up this gay dude?
:udontlookok:
Is that a real question
Coz if it is Im out
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 12:10:39 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 12:07:20 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:58:49 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
what's your point here
that there were 2 grown men who equally were able to harm each other in this instance. The gay one wasn't at a disadvantage at all
gay men (particularly gay men who are clockable/noticeably gay) are at a "disadvantage" from the moment they step foot into a jail cell
He ultimately lost his life because of his sexuality. Not because he started beef , not because he stole someone's food ...simply because he was gay, someone didn't like it and didn't feel he deserved to breathe around them
How is this not a "disadvantage"? If he were straight, chances are he'd still be alive. Think about it king . Think hard.
a sassy, lisping, flamboyant gay man still can physically beat up a straight man. You'd be surprised how often this happens. They may be more likely to be approached but they are in there shanking niggas just like everyone else. It's JAIL they're not in there because they're polite well-behaved angels
ray this is not about physical strength. Of course there are gay men who can fight and have muscles etc.
I'm from the hood. I've seen them. They exist. Lol
This is about someone being targeted JUST because they're perceived to be gay. This is about someone's chances of being attacked or being killed in prison climbing significantly higher just because they enter as a gay person
This about them being a minority in a prison dominated by men who are not gay or gay identifying (being outnumbered), and how that can affect them . That is the disadvantage.
We can agree that open gays are more likely to be targeted of course in prison. Ppl will always bully/attack them because of that. But just because you are a target doesnt mean you are defenseless or doomed to just die or be injured. Ppl learn how to adapt to their surroundings for survival. Aggressors can be injured/killed in self-defense. How is that not logical?
Ray think of it this way.
Lion vs bull in the wild
The bull is big and strong , able to defend itself and even kill a lion with its sharp horns if it's attacked. It will not go down without a fight.
But in the bigger picture , who's at the disadvantage in the wild? (Regardless of instances where the bull was the victor and killed a lion who attacked)
The predator or the prey?
Which one would be considered the prey? Bulls are clearly not from wild like Lions are so they're out of their element however, Lions are usually after gazelles, antelope etc, so a Lion wouldn't be well versed in how to attack a Bull lol
There are bulls in the wild luv and they definitely are hunted by lions .
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6YUFN5HJPBw
That's a Buffalo
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 01:21:38 PM
That's a Buffalo
it's a Buffalo BULL.
with the horns as I described it
r u really doing this lol
Bulls exist in the wild.
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 01:21:38 PM
That's a Buffalo
it's a Buffalo BULL.
with the horns as I described it
r u really doing this lol
Bulls exist in the wild.
there's different types of buffalo and bulls I wasn't thinking of this kind.
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 01:29:04 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 01:21:38 PM
That's a Buffalo
it's a Buffalo BULL.
with the horns as I described it
r u really doing this lol
Bulls exist in the wild.
there's different types of buffalo and bulls I wasn't thinking of this kind.
jfjfnfnfnf
mmmm hmmm.
well now u know bvy.
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 12:51:26 PM
Ray think of it this way.
Lion vs bull in the wild
The bull is big and strong , able to defend itself and even kill a lion with its sharp horns if it's attacked. It will not go down without a fight.
But in the bigger picture , who's at the disadvantage in the wild? (Regardless of instances where the bull was the victor and killed a lion who attacked)
The predator or the prey?
The fkn prey.
I don't know how the girls have the energy to pussy foot around everything every day.
Gghhghhfcgh
:omf:
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:44:30 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:36:31 AM
Do you know what homophobic men in prison do to gay men Oph?
Take a wild guess.
Yes im an "expert" ... on common sense lol
this is "common sense". this is sn assumption that all gay men are weak and get punked by homophobes in prison
cvccvcvvccv
this is not an assumption of weakness. It's a history of vulnerability backed by actual data/statistics .
QuoteLesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) prisoners often face additional challenges compared to non-LGBT prisoners. According to Just Detention International, LGBT inmates are "among the most vulnerable in the prison population". 67% of LGBT prisoners in California report being assaulted while in prison. The vulnerability of LGBT prisoners has led some prisons to separate them from other prisoners, while in others they are housed with the general population.
Your turn . 🤷🏾
um, this has nothing to do with your ASSUMPTION that this gay man was afraid for his safety. we didn't know that until it was reported. this poll doesn't say 67% of gay prisons are afraid for their safety. only that they reported being assaulted. and tbh.... who ISN'T assaulted. its prison. vvvvccccv
ur turn
:letsmessfag:
Also, that statistic is "LGBT" and in California and "reported" meaning it's including females who are lesbians, transmen etc and only reported for 1 state
AND ppl could be lying or not telling all the facts :dead:. When this discussion is about gay men vs straight men in prayer in general
i don't think anyone has a reason to lie about bein assaulted in prison hun
Well maybe not lying about whether or not they were attacked but about the details (who started it, were they provoked, were there reasons why they were attacked outside of being gay etc)
So we all on da same page, the only one to blame is the nigga right?
:disgusted:
Lolz
:rudone:
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whether he could defend himself or not is irrelevant
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 03:13:49 PM
:rudone:
NOT ONLY DO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS TOPIC
BUT I ALWAYS ENJOY READING YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
YOU ARE ALWAYS SO DETAILED.
:lopsided:
THAT'S WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY PEOPLE
ON HERE LET A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAY GO RIGHT OVER THEIR HEADS. SMH
:melmel:
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Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 03:13:49 PM
:rudone:
NOT ONLY DO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS TOPIC
BUT I ALWAYS ENJOY READING YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
YOU ARE ALWAYS SO DETAILED.
:lopsided:
THAT'S WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY PEOPLE
ON HERE LET A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAY GO RIGHT OVER THEIR HEADS. SMH
:melmel:
thnx cutie pie 🥰