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Title: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 05, 2021, 01:18:32 AM
- prisoner repeatedly asks to be moved to another cell away from gay cellmate , clearly homophobic
- prison ignores his request
- prisoner ultimately kills gays cellmate
- prisoner charged with 1st degree murder

Who's to blame?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iSXM88tpmk
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 05, 2021, 01:24:01 AM
i've seen the term "homophobic" misused  SO many times but this is the one time where it actually applies

this man was clearly afraid of being around this gay guy ....in his mind, rumors could possibly spring up outta nowhere about him being gay too, etc.
he was literally scared and was pleading to be removed ...

this is what phobia looks like.

and he eventually took matters into his own hands
that prison's refusal to remove this clearly homophobic man away from the gay man was irresponsible - at the least IMO

he seemed frantic  :uhh:

still responsible for his actions and needs to be held accountable . but this could have been avoided - he actually reached out first


Title: Re: 2017: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: CHOKE on December 05, 2021, 01:30:23 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 01:18:32 AM
- prisoner repeatedly asks to be moved to another cell away from gay cellmate , clearly homophobic
- prison ignores his request
- prisoner ultimately kills gays cellmate
- prisoner charged with 1st degree murder

Who's to blame?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iSXM88tpmk

The mama for not swallowing
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 05, 2021, 01:46:36 AM
 :everythingok:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Buy The Stars✨ on December 05, 2021, 01:58:45 AM
Prisoner is to Blame and the victim looks like Lew lol 
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 05, 2021, 02:04:02 AM
vvcbvcvc he wasn't "scared"

he was hateful. and the prison was only wrong if the gay cellmate expressed concern for his safety. otherwise... this is prison not kindergarten. you dont get to pick ya partner!

Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Mrd0ndada on December 05, 2021, 02:08:54 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 05, 2021, 02:04:02 AM
vvcbvcvc he wasn't "scared"

he was hateful. and the prison was only wrong if the gay cellmate expressed concern for his safety. otherwise... this is prison not kindergarten. you dont get to pick ya partner!


                                 
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 05, 2021, 02:23:35 AM
not saying he was scared of the gay man himself

read what i wrote carefully. he was scared of rumors coming up about him being gay as well, by association

which isn't unheard of or totally new. there are definitely men who are literally afraid to be around gay men not because they're scared of the men themselves, but they are very scared of perceptions that follow being associated with one - in any way. and the very real social consequences that come with that

is it a reasonable fear to have? who knows, i've never been to prison to know how the politics and social teas work there. but i def know it's not a stretch to say that the mess that goes down outside of prison may go DOUBLE when people are in prison with nothing better to do than look at walls and start mess.

and i mean we're saying "ur in prison! no right to choose who ur with!", but if they took his request seriously, it literally would have saved that gay man's life. imagine being the gay guy stuck in a small space with the crazily anxious homophobic hetero they won't remove from ur cell.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 05, 2021, 03:52:18 AM
Quote from: Mrd0ndada on December 05, 2021, 02:08:54 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 05, 2021, 02:04:02 AM
vvcbvcvc he wasn't "scared"

he was hateful. and the prison was only wrong if the gay cellmate expressed concern for his safety. otherwise... this is prison not kindergarten. you dont get to pick ya partner!


                                 
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 05, 2021, 04:20:50 AM
Consequences of gay rumors in prison do include a threat to safety.  That kinda goes without saying but continue quoting yourself . Brilliant


Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: BrandyFromTheFuture on December 05, 2021, 05:05:49 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 02:23:35 AM
not saying he was scared of the gay man himself

read what i wrote carefully. he was scared of rumors coming up about him being gay as well, by association

which isn't unheard of or totally new. there are definitely men who are literally afraid to be around gay men not because they're scared of the men themselves, but they are very scared of perceptions that follow being associated with one - in any way. and the very real social consequences that come with that

is it a reasonable fear to have? who knows, i've never been to prison to know how the politics and social teas work there. but i def know it's not a stretch to say that the mess that goes down outside of prison may go DOUBLE when people are in prison with nothing better to do than look at walls and start mess.

and i mean we're saying "ur in prison! no right to choose who ur with!", but if they took his request seriously, it literally would have saved that gay man's life. imagine being the gay guy stuck in a small space with the crazily anxious homophobic hetero they won't remove from ur cell.
but theres still no reason to kill someone for that. We should put as much blame on the actual murderer as we are putting on the prison for not reacting.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 05, 2021, 05:12:23 AM
Quote from: BrandySavedMyLife on December 05, 2021, 05:05:49 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 02:23:35 AM
not saying he was scared of the gay man himself

read what i wrote carefully. he was scared of rumors coming up about him being gay as well, by association

which isn't unheard of or totally new. there are definitely men who are literally afraid to be around gay men not because they're scared of the men themselves, but they are very scared of perceptions that follow being associated with one - in any way. and the very real social consequences that come with that

is it a reasonable fear to have? who knows, i've never been to prison to know how the politics and social teas work there. but i def know it's not a stretch to say that the mess that goes down outside of prison may go DOUBLE when people are in prison with nothing better to do than look at walls and start mess.

and i mean we're saying "ur in prison! no right to choose who ur with!", but if they took his request seriously, it literally would have saved that gay man's life. imagine being the gay guy stuck in a small space with the crazily anxious homophobic hetero they won't remove from ur cell.
but theres still no reason to kill someone for that. We should put as much blame on the actual murderer as we are putting on the prison for not reacting.
I agree.

I did say that he's still accountable for his actions .

But this could have been prevented. He reached out before killing that guy . He tried to take a road that didn't include proving and validating his manhood through violence and was ignored. I'm not OK with that .

The power and pressure of hypermasculinity is not to be underestimated or taken lightly. Especially in prison where there's nowhere to run.

This case should set a precedent. That gay man should have been more protected. These are violent criminals in prison. They're not there because they have excellent self control and decision making skills.

Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: CHOKE on December 05, 2021, 05:23:47 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 05:12:23 AM
Quote from: BrandySavedMyLife on December 05, 2021, 05:05:49 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 02:23:35 AM
not saying he was scared of the gay man himself

read what i wrote carefully. he was scared of rumors coming up about him being gay as well, by association

which isn't unheard of or totally new. there are definitely men who are literally afraid to be around gay men not because they're scared of the men themselves, but they are very scared of perceptions that follow being associated with one - in any way. and the very real social consequences that come with that

is it a reasonable fear to have? who knows, i've never been to prison to know how the politics and social teas work there. but i def know it's not a stretch to say that the mess that goes down outside of prison may go DOUBLE when people are in prison with nothing better to do than look at walls and start mess.

and i mean we're saying "ur in prison! no right to choose who ur with!", but if they took his request seriously, it literally would have saved that gay man's life. imagine being the gay guy stuck in a small space with the crazily anxious homophobic hetero they won't remove from ur cell.
but theres still no reason to kill someone for that. We should put as much blame on the actual murderer as we are putting on the prison for not reacting.
I agree.

I did say that he's still accountable for his actions .

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Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 05, 2021, 07:41:55 AM
Quote from: Planet Choke on December 05, 2021, 05:23:47 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 05:12:23 AM
Quote from: BrandySavedMyLife on December 05, 2021, 05:05:49 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 02:23:35 AM
not saying he was scared of the gay man himself

read what i wrote carefully. he was scared of rumors coming up about him being gay as well, by association

which isn't unheard of or totally new. there are definitely men who are literally afraid to be around gay men not because they're scared of the men themselves, but they are very scared of perceptions that follow being associated with one - in any way. and the very real social consequences that come with that

is it a reasonable fear to have? who knows, i've never been to prison to know how the politics and social teas work there. but i def know it's not a stretch to say that the mess that goes down outside of prison may go DOUBLE when people are in prison with nothing better to do than look at walls and start mess.

and i mean we're saying "ur in prison! no right to choose who ur with!", but if they took his request seriously, it literally would have saved that gay man's life. imagine being the gay guy stuck in a small space with the crazily anxious homophobic hetero they won't remove from ur cell.
but theres still no reason to kill someone for that. We should put as much blame on the actual murderer as we are putting on the prison for not reacting.
I agree.

I did say that he's still accountable for his actions .

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Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: como la whore on December 05, 2021, 02:27:45 PM
I feel that if you really want the freedom to decide who you keep around you then you should probably avoid jail and or prison.

it could all be so simple
:justabit:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 05, 2021, 02:34:25 PM
Quote from: como la whore on December 05, 2021, 02:27:45 PM
I feel that if you really want the freedom to decide who you keep around you then you should probably avoid jail and or prison.

it could all be so simple
:justabit:
but ya'd rather make it harddd
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: STUNNA GOD on December 05, 2021, 02:58:59 PM
Not him giving 

:unbothered:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Ulysses on December 05, 2021, 03:15:48 PM
Who's to blame?? The fucking murderer...
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 08:57:23 PM
Yea I'm sorry but this only on the person who decided to commit murder. For punishment now he should be placed with a bunch of super muscular gay inmates who can beat the shit out of him everyday
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 05, 2021, 09:05:49 PM
i think if an inmate is clearly homophobic and is requesting to be moved from a gay cellmate, the prison should take action.

men who are openly/clearly gay should not be in general population to begin with. it's a horrible idea. and a clear recipe for disaster and loss of life. let's start there.

yes, some can argue that the killer shouldn't have a right to decide who he bunks with
but be careful with that argument. because some could also argue that the gay guy doesn't have a right to decide either ...using that logic, the gay guy wouldn't have the right to approach anyone and say "as a gay man, im uncomfortable with this guy in the cell. he hasn't hurt me or anything but im just not getting a good feeling about this."

he's in prison, for not following the law...so he'll take what he gets, right?

and honestly based on how they threw him to the homophobic wolves, that seems to be the way the warden feels.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Buy The Stars✨ on December 05, 2021, 09:13:14 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 09:05:49 PM
i think if an inmate is clearly homophobic and is requesting to be moved from a gay cellmate, the prison should take action.



you have no rights in prison baby doll.  suck it up and bend over
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 05, 2021, 09:15:39 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 09:05:49 PM


yes, some can argue that the killer shouldn't have a right to decide who he bunks with
but be careful with that argument. because some could also argue that the gay guy doesn't have a right to decide either ...using that logic, the gay guy wouldn't have the right to approach anyone and say "as a gay man, im uncomfortable with this guy in the cell. he hasn't hurt me or anything but im just not getting a good feeling about this."

he's in prison, for not following the law...so he'll take what he gets, right?


Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 09:47:39 PM
I mean prisons are over populated, and they're for punishment. If they let this dude move cells then everybody else is gonna bring up whatever excuse to do it too. This was something was very extreme and hard to predict. These are criminals we're talking about. They're in there for killing, assaulting, rape etc. It's always a risk that someone can kill or harm their cell mate. This time it happened to the gay person but the gays in there can handle themselves. They didn't all get in there for nothing 
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 05, 2021, 09:55:52 PM
i actually think this was a rare instance where it was easier to predict the outcome.

this is the very first time i've heard of a hetero inmate requesting to be removed from a gay man BEFORE  attacking them

instead of waiting til afterwards to come up with some BS excuse.

from what i've seen, they usually don't bother to waste time requesting a transfer mess and just bash someone's skull in.

it's that missed opportunity they had to really intercept this that's a concern for me.
this man is responsible for his actions but, if his request was taken into consideration the gay man would have been alive.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 05, 2021, 10:06:41 PM
He not only pleaded with the prison staff, but took the time to write an "urgent" letter to the prison counselor as well.

He kept trying to warn them of what was about to take place - in more than one way.
This was a missed opportunity to intervene.

QuoteKaren Prunick, a counselor at the Alger Correctional Facility, received an "urgent" letter from Madden on July 17th, just days before Burks was found dead. However, she did not read the letter until after the incident.

"'I've been placed in the cell with a homo,' in parenthesis, 'and that's not something I am into. I really need to get moved, I talk with the staff as soon as I seen his face. This is degrading and uncomfortable, I need to move today. Before we get into it, feel it coming please and thank you,'" said Prunick.

https://abc10up.com/2018/04/24/prison-counselor-and-correctional-officer-speak-during-madden-trial-day-2/
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 10:25:17 PM
I mean this doesnt spell murder though. They probably expected a fight out of this at the most. This dude just took it too far and clearly shouldn't be around anyone at all.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 05, 2021, 10:27:07 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 10:25:17 PM
I mean this doesnt spell murder though. They probably expected a fight out of this at the most. This dude just took it too far and clearly shouldn't be around anyone at all.
it was a request based on the man's sexual orientation.
not a beef they had over stolen food or something.

which in itself spells a possible hate crime in the making and should be taken seriously
bodily harm was clearly not out of the question here.

and a "fight" implies some sort of two-sided issue/battle. not a man telling people to get him away from a fag.
this was a red flag.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 10:33:57 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 10:27:07 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 10:25:17 PM
I mean this doesnt spell murder though. They probably expected a fight out of this at the most. This dude just took it too far and clearly shouldn't be around anyone at all.
it was a request based on the man's sexual orientation.
not a beef they had over stolen food or something.

which in itself spells a possible hate crime in the making and should be taken seriously
he didnt say "Im going to kill him" though he said "before WE get into it" which is like we might argue or fight
which happens in prison a lot Im sure not expecting this man to give up any chance at ever getting out of prison
by committing murder. I dont think we're on the same page about how extreme it was to kill in this instance
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 05, 2021, 10:34:39 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 10:33:57 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 10:27:07 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 10:25:17 PM
I mean this doesnt spell murder though. They probably expected a fight out of this at the most. This dude just took it too far and clearly shouldn't be around anyone at all.
it was a request based on the man's sexual orientation.
not a beef they had over stolen food or something.

which in itself spells a possible hate crime in the making and should be taken seriously
he didnt say "Im going to kill him" though he said "before WE get into it" which is like we might argue or fight
which happens in prison a lot Im sure not expecting this man to give up any chance at ever getting out of prison
by committing murder. I dont think we're on the same page about how extreme it was to kill in this instance
a "fight" implies some sort of two-sided issue/battle. not a man telling people to get him away from a fag.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 05, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
"get into it" was his way of saying someone's about to get hurt.

i doubt the gay guy was an aggressor in this situation, considering the hetero guy says he complained about him from the moment he laid eyes on him.
before the gay guy even opened his mouth, he wanted to get away from him.

this wasn't a "fight". it was a hate crime about to unfold.



Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
"get into it" was his way of saying someone's about to get hurt.

i doubt the gay guy was an aggressor in this situation, considering the hetero guy says he complained about him from the moment he laid eyes on him.
before the gay guy even opened his mouth, he wanted to get away from him.

this wasn't a "fight". it was a hate crime about to unfold.
this is true, however the prison didn't know it was gonna be this. Two grown able bodied adult criminals were in that cell. Anything could've happened
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 05, 2021, 11:20:59 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 09:05:49 PM
i think if an inmate is clearly homophobic and is requesting to be moved from a gay cellmate, the prison should take action.

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Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 03:40:06 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
"get into it" was his way of saying someone's about to get hurt.

i doubt the gay guy was an aggressor in this situation, considering the hetero guy says he complained about him from the moment he laid eyes on him.
before the gay guy even opened his mouth, he wanted to get away from him.

this wasn't a "fight". it was a hate crime about to unfold.
this is true, however the prison didn't know it was gonna be this. Two grown able bodied adult criminals were in that cell. Anything could've happened
labeling them both as criminals is assuming that they're both guilty of whatever they're being held for

Maybe it's fair to say that for the killer , given his behavior it's more likely he has a past of aggression and violence   but we don't know what the gay man was guilty of.

Totally unfair to brand him as a criminal who's capable of anything with absolutely no knowledge of who he was .
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 03:40:43 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 05, 2021, 11:20:59 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 09:05:49 PM
i think if an inmate is clearly homophobic and is requesting to be moved from a gay cellmate, the prison should take action.

vbvv v cvbbvcccvvvvvvvbvvvvvvvvv

ms. teacher, can i move seats?! ion like him!

:plzstop:
that's a great comparison ! makes total sense
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 03:58:58 AM
If I were the gay guy in that cell and I knew this crazily anxious homophobic man was tryna get away from me ... I woulda been banging on doors and writing letters  tryna get him out and away from me too

Like how can I help him in this mission. Let's get you tf outta here before you lose it.

But It's very likely he didn't know the guy was tryna get away from him. I highly doubt the hetero was sitting having heart to heart convos with him about the mission.

Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 04:32:32 AM
It's both the prisoner and the prisons fault.
The prison should've done what they could to safeguard vulnerable prisoners, if there is an active threat against another prisoner based on gender, race, sexuality etc then they have a duty and responsibility to act upon it. It's law and policy.

I get that it's not high school, and these are adults but all prisons DO have safeguarding measures in place to protect more vulnerable prisoners who may be more and susceptible to other prisoners who are in for more serious crimes like rape and murder. ESPECIALLY when there is a threat of harm against another prisoner simply for being gay  :dead:
That's why there are separate wings for levels of crime and offenders, mental health prisoners are kept away from the general population, those who are vulnerable due to their sexuality and the way they present are also kept separate and etc etc
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Cowgirl on December 06, 2021, 05:18:48 AM
What was the crime that landed the homosexual in prison?
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 05:58:41 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 04:32:32 AM
It's both the prisoner and the prisons fault.
The prison should've done what they could to safeguard vulnerable prisoners, if there is an active threat against another prisoner based on gender, race, sexuality etc then they have a duty and responsibility to act upon it. It's law and policy.

I get that it's not high school, and these are adults but all prisons DO have safeguarding measures in place to protect more vulnerable prisoners who may be more and susceptible to other prisoners who are in for more serious crimes like rape and murder. ESPECIALLY when there is a threat of harm against another prisoner simply for being gay  :dead:
That's why there are separate wings for levels of crime and offenders, mental health prisoners are kept away from the general population, those who are vulnerable due to their sexuality and the way they present are also kept separate and etc etc
!!!!

The fact that gay men are thrown in general population to begin with is a no no . Before we even get to any specific case by case details

There are some prisons in America that realize this and actually have areas of the prison specifically for gay men . It's very few but they exist . The others just need to catch up

And We have to be careful with saying things like "you did the crime , now you have no rights in prison! It's what you deserve! Just do your time and shut up" because thoughts like that are flirting with dehumanization. We still have people locked up for just selling an ounce of weed in areas where it's not yet legalized, etc. so we should at least find out what landed them there before feeling that stripping someone of their rights is justified .

Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 07:41:10 AM
QuoteThe defendants are Warden Catherine S. Bauman, Deputy Warden Robert Wickstrom, prison Administrator Dean Potilla and 18 other staff members.

Inmates and corrections officer knew not only that Burks was homosexual, but that Madden was "homophobic," states the lawsuit filed by the Geoffrey Fieger law firm on behalf of Burks' mother, Dequita Burks. She is the personal representative of Rodriguez Burks' estate.

The lawsuit alleges that both men asked to be separated, and that Madden repeatedly told a corrections officer that if he wasn't moved, "'I'm gonna hurt this guy.'"

"However, each of the Defendants named herein ignored the threats and simply left Madden and the decedent Rodriguez Burks, in the same cell knowing that harm would result" to Burks, the lawsuit states.

Burks was found dead in his cell on July 20, 2017, lying face down and suffering from a traumatic head injury, the lawsuit states. Burks' death came two days after Madden was placed in the cell with him.

The prison failed to have policies in place to identify and protect inmates, especially homosexuals and African Americans, from harm, the lawsuit alleges.

Burks had been sentenced to prison in December 2016 for fleeing and eluding police and receiving stolen property, and was classified as level 4 security, according to the lawsuit.

Madden, a security level 5 inmate, was transferred to Alger on July 18, 2017, from the Marquette Correctional Facility because of overcrowding, according to the lawsuit. Madden is serving a sentence for carjacking, assault with intent to murder and armed robbery.

Like c'mon
It's clear cut :dead:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 07:43:20 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
"get into it" was his way of saying someone's about to get hurt.

i doubt the gay guy was an aggressor in this situation, considering the hetero guy says he complained about him from the moment he laid eyes on him.
before the gay guy even opened his mouth, he wanted to get away from him.

this wasn't a "fight". it was a hate crime about to unfold.
this is true, however the prison didn't know it was gonna be this. Two grown able bodied adult criminals were in that cell. Anything could've happened
He's in for armed robbery and attempted murder  :dead:
Did they think he was going to enage him in a vogue battle?
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 07:51:52 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 07:43:20 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
"get into it" was his way of saying someone's about to get hurt.

i doubt the gay guy was an aggressor in this situation, considering the hetero guy says he complained about him from the moment he laid eyes on him.
before the gay guy even opened his mouth, he wanted to get away from him.

this wasn't a "fight". it was a hate crime about to unfold.
this is true, however the prison didn't know it was gonna be this. Two grown able bodied adult criminals were in that cell. Anything could've happened
He's in for armed robbery and attempted murder  :dead:
Did they think he was going to enage him in a vogue battle?
so, because the dude that died is gay
That means he's weak and only can "Vogue" and not defend himself?
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 07:57:28 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 07:51:52 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 07:43:20 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 05, 2021, 11:07:08 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 05, 2021, 10:37:13 PM
"get into it" was his way of saying someone's about to get hurt.

i doubt the gay guy was an aggressor in this situation, considering the hetero guy says he complained about him from the moment he laid eyes on him.
before the gay guy even opened his mouth, he wanted to get away from him.

this wasn't a "fight". it was a hate crime about to unfold.
this is true, however the prison didn't know it was gonna be this. Two grown able bodied adult criminals were in that cell. Anything could've happened
He's in for armed robbery and attempted murder  :dead:
Did they think he was going to enage him in a vogue battle?
so, because the dude that died is gay
That means he's weak and only can "Vogue" and not defend himself?
I was being sarcasitic
:rudone:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 07:58:30 AM
"Madden, a security level 5 inmate, was transferred to Alger on July 18, 2017, from the Marquette Correctional Facility because of overcrowding"

I knew it. These prisons are terribly overcrowded they probably didn't have anywhere else to put them anyway, and this deranged ass dude would've probably killed whoever his next cellmate was too
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 07:59:57 AM
He wasn't deranged, he wasn't suffering from mental health issue's
he was homophobic and violent, sdsad let's not give him that :dead:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 08:04:17 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 07:41:10 AM
QuoteThe defendants are Warden Catherine S. Bauman, Deputy Warden Robert Wickstrom, prison Administrator Dean Potilla and 18 other staff members.

Inmates and corrections officer knew not only that Burks was homosexual, but that Madden was "homophobic," states the lawsuit filed by the Geoffrey Fieger law firm on behalf of Burks' mother, Dequita Burks. She is the personal representative of Rodriguez Burks' estate.

The lawsuit alleges that both men asked to be separated, and that Madden repeatedly told a corrections officer that if he wasn't moved, "'I'm gonna hurt this guy.'"

"However, each of the Defendants named herein ignored the threats and simply left Madden and the decedent Rodriguez Burks, in the same cell knowing that harm would result" to Burks, the lawsuit states.

Burks was found dead in his cell on July 20, 2017, lying face down and suffering from a traumatic head injury, the lawsuit states. Burks' death came two days after Madden was placed in the cell with him.

The prison failed to have policies in place to identify and protect inmates, especially homosexuals and African Americans, from harm, the lawsuit alleges.

Burks had been sentenced to prison in December 2016 for fleeing and eluding police and receiving stolen property, and was classified as level 4 security, according to the lawsuit.

Madden, a security level 5 inmate, was transferred to Alger on July 18, 2017, from the Marquette Correctional Facility because of overcrowding, according to the lawsuit. Madden is serving a sentence for carjacking, assault with intent to murder and armed robbery.

Like c'mon
It's clear cut :dead:
this makes sense.

The gay guy was asking for separation too. I believe it.

Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 03:58:58 AM
If I were the gay guy in that cell and I knew this crazily anxious homophobic man was tryna get away from me ... I woulda been banging on doors and writing letters  tryna get him out and away from me too

Like how can I help him in this mission. Let's get you tf outta here before you lose it.


Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 08:06:54 AM
Many of Those correction officers are heartless...which is understandable to an extent because it definitely takes a certain type of person/personality to deal with inmates every day 

I can def see them ignoring both of their requests and just waiting to see how the mess would unfold .
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 06, 2021, 09:47:44 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 05, 2021, 02:04:02 AM
vvcbvcvc he wasn't "scared"

he was hateful. and the prison was only wrong if the gay cellmate expressed concern for his safety. otherwise... this is prison not kindergarten. you dont get to pick ya partner!

ok yea, since THIS has been confirmed the prison was definitely wrong in part as well.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 10:25:26 AM
Of course the gay guy wanted to get away from a raging homophobic

Did we really need to put on a thinking cap to assume that?

Which goes back to the prison needing to remove him as requested

And not comparing it to someone approaching an elementary teacher saying they wanna be moved cuz the classmate next to them has the cooties . :disgusted:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 06, 2021, 10:56:42 AM
of course ! ASSumed !

again, now that its been confirmed, prison definitely holds some responsibility
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 06, 2021, 10:57:55 AM
gay guy coulda easily been giving

i aint scared !

:plea:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 11:13:08 AM
IMO You were way too focused on it being about honoring the hetero inmates request as some sort of special privilege to HIM

"who he think he is making special requests  :uhh: U take what u get in prison!"

As opposed to thinking about how his request being honored could have saved the gay mans life.

It's not about obliging him. It's not about following his orders and requests cuz he's so special. It's about getting him away from that gay man who obviously needed to be saved from him.

Does that make sense?

Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 11:18:12 AM
And we can't pretend like we don't know how these stories go .

Gay men usually aren't the aggressors in these situations.

This man says he had an issue with the gay guy before he even opened his mouth. If there was any aggression from the gay guy from that point , it was to defend himself the best way he could given the circumstances of having nowhere to run.

It's unrealistic and even unfair to act as if he was up in that jail cell challenging the hetero guy to a boxing match. Keep it real.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 06, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
vcvccccc it WAS a special request and it SHOULD'NT have been honored. if they moved prisoners around everytime violence was threatened, it would be a non stop game of musical chairs.

and NOW that we know the gay dude was in fear and requested to be moved for his safety, for THAT reason alone they should have been seperated.

can you comprehend that?
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
vcvccccc it WAS a special request and it SHOULD'NT have been honored. if they moved prisoners around everytime violence was threatened, it would be a non stop game of musical chairs.

and NOW that we know the gay dude was in fear and requested to be moved for his safety, for THAT reason alone they should have been seperated.

can you comprehend that?
youre saying his request shouldn't have been honored but you're saying they should have been separated

Are you even comprehending what you're saying?
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 06, 2021, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:19:37 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
vcvccccc it WAS a special request and it SHOULD'NT have been honored. if they moved prisoners around everytime violence was threatened, it would be a non stop game of musical chairs.

and NOW that we know the gay dude was in fear and requested to be moved for his safety, for THAT reason alone they should have been seperated.

can you comprehend that?
youre saying his request shouldn't have been honored but you're saying they should have been separated

Are you even comprehending what you're saying?

ccxccxcc are YOU ?

:omf:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 11:21:40 AM
The bottom line is that we've come to a conclusion that the prison was in the wrong . Given the situation that was obvious to me from the jump and I didn't need a rundown of information regarding the usual story of the homophobic aggressor vs the gay guy to help me come to that conclusion.

The additional details were no surprise to me.

We know how these stories go. Don't play dumb just for the sake of being right.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
vcvccccc it WAS a special request and it SHOULD'NT have been honored. if they moved prisoners around everytime violence was threatened, it would be a non stop game of musical chairs.

and NOW that we know the gay dude was in fear and requested to be moved for his safety, for THAT reason alone they should have been seperated.



but violence was threated thus far the gay prisoner requesting to move out of fear :disgusted:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 06, 2021, 11:24:38 AM
we know how these stories go ! expert on prison affairs!

:plzstop:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 06, 2021, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
vcvccccc it WAS a special request and it SHOULD'NT have been honored. if they moved prisoners around everytime violence was threatened, it would be a non stop game of musical chairs.

and NOW that we know the gay dude was in fear and requested to be moved for his safety, for THAT reason alone they should have been seperated.



but violence was threated thus far the gay prisoner requesting to move out of fear :disgusted:

jesus

lemme break this down. in the inital post it did not state the gay dude requested to be moved as well. just that the muderer had requested cuz he dont like gay people. THAT request should have been ignored cuz u in prison nigga u dont get to choose ya cell mate.

AFTER learning that the gay dude requested to be moved put of fear fot his safety, k believe the GAY DUDES request should have been honored as i stated above. just because the murder threatened violence that doesnt automatically mean the gay dude was scared. after all, they are BOTH in prison.

can you comprehend now? shit.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 11:36:31 AM
Do you know what homophobic men in prison do to gay men Oph?

Take a wild guess.

Yes im an "expert" ... on common sense lol
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
vcvccccc it WAS a special request and it SHOULD'NT have been honored. if they moved prisoners around everytime violence was threatened, it would be a non stop game of musical chairs.

and NOW that we know the gay dude was in fear and requested to be moved for his safety, for THAT reason alone they should have been seperated.



but violence was threated thus far the gay prisoner requesting to move out of fear :disgusted:

jesus

lemme break this down. in the inital post it did not state the gay dude requested to be moved as well. just that the muderer had requested cuz he dont like gay people. THAT request should have been ignored cuz u in prison nigga u dont get to choose ya cell mate.

AFTER learning that the gay dude requested to be moved put of fear fot his safety, k believe the GAY DUDES request should have been honored as i stated above. just because the murder threatened violence that doesnt automatically mean the gay dude was scared. after all, they are BOTH in prison.

can you comprehend now? shit.
girl this is all double talk  :dead:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 11:39:04 AM
I cba
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 06, 2021, 11:41:47 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:38:51 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:28:55 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:24:02 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:18:22 AM
vcvccccc it WAS a special request and it SHOULD'NT have been honored. if they moved prisoners around everytime violence was threatened, it would be a non stop game of musical chairs.

and NOW that we know the gay dude was in fear and requested to be moved for his safety, for THAT reason alone they should have been seperated.



but violence was threated thus far the gay prisoner requesting to move out of fear :disgusted:

jesus

lemme break this down. in the inital post it did not state the gay dude requested to be moved as well. just that the muderer had requested cuz he dont like gay people. THAT request should have been ignored cuz u in prison nigga u dont get to choose ya cell mate.

AFTER learning that the gay dude requested to be moved put of fear fot his safety, k believe the GAY DUDES request should have been honored as i stated above. just because the murder threatened violence that doesnt automatically mean the gay dude was scared. after all, they are BOTH in prison.

can you comprehend now? shit.
girl this is all double talk  :dead:

cbvbvvvbb double talk !

👍🏾
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 11:42:59 AM
Oph?

Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:36:31 AM
Do you know what homophobic men in prison do to gay men Oph?

Take a wild guess.

Yes im an "expert" ... on common sense lol
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 11:43:07 AM
Yh, that's what I said...double talk.
But dndndnd' away

:mmywheresddy:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 06, 2021, 11:44:30 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:36:31 AM
Do you know what homophobic men in prison do to gay men Oph?

Take a wild guess.

Yes im an "expert" ... on common sense lol

this is "common sense". this is sn assumption that all gay men are weak and get punked by homophobes in prison

cvccvcvvccv
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 06, 2021, 11:44:45 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:43:07 AM
Yh, that's what I said...double talk.
But dndndnd' away

:mmywheresddy:

k
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 06, 2021, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:42:59 AM
Oph?

Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:36:31 AM
Do you know what homophobic men in prison do to gay men Oph?

Take a wild guess.

Yes im an "expert" ... on common sense lol

damn, gimme a sec sis

:calmdownsis:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AM
Honestly especially in jail the whole gay thing seems to be complicated. There's men having sex with other men but still claiming to be straight. There's openly gay men who will beat the hell out of you gay or straight. There's straight men who get raped by gay men that happen to be bigger and stronger than them. IDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here 
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:44:30 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:36:31 AM
Do you know what homophobic men in prison do to gay men Oph?

Take a wild guess.

Yes im an "expert" ... on common sense lol

this is "common sense". this is sn assumption that all gay men are weak and get punked by homophobes in prison

cvccvcvvccv
this is not an assumption of weakness. It's a history of vulnerability backed by actual data/statistics .

QuoteLesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) prisoners often face additional challenges compared to non-LGBT prisoners. According to Just Detention International, LGBT inmates are "among the most vulnerable in the prison population". 67% of LGBT prisoners in California report being assaulted while in prison. The vulnerability of LGBT prisoners has led some prisons to separate them from other prisoners, while in others they are housed with the general population.

Your turn . 🤷🏾
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 11:55:17 AM
One is an armed robber and attempted murderer, the other is in for robbery and fleeing the police :dead:
The power play and level of criminality between the two aren't the same here
The straight man is clearly more violent and dangerous here proved by his crime.
And it's not far fetched or scandalous to say that LBGT prisoners are targeted in prison.
There's a whole reason why in a lot of prisons they are in their own wing
No one is pulling and playing the weak! Defenceless! card here, it's just a fact. LGBT prisoners are at higher risk of targeted violence.

Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
what's your point here
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 11:55:55 AM
 :uhh:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:17 AM
One is an armed robber
but he didn't have his weapon in the prison. Anybody can be tough with a gun. Without that they were 2 thieves in a cell
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:17 AM
One is an armed robber
but he didn't have his weapon in the prison. Anybody can be tough with a gun. Without that they were 2 thieves in a cell
ok and again
What is your point
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:58:49 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
what's your point here
that there were 2 grown men who equally were able to harm each other in this instance. The gay one wasn't at a disadvantage at all
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
well most living creatures will try to defend themselves to save their lives

King what exactly is this proving ?
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:59:41 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:58:16 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:17 AM
One is an armed robber
but he didn't have his weapon in the prison. Anybody can be tough with a gun. Without that they were 2 thieves in a cell
ok and again
What is your point
already answered
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
well most living creatures will try to defend themselves to save their lives

King what exactly is this proving ?
that straight criminals are not more or less dangerous than gay ones
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:58:49 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
what's your point here
that there were 2 grown men who equally were able to harm each other in this instance. The gay one wasn't at a disadvantage at all
gay men (particularly gay men who are clockable/noticeably gay) are at a "disadvantage" from the moment they step foot into a jail cell

He ultimately lost his life because of his sexuality. Not because he started beef , not because he stole someone's food ...simply because he was gay, someone didn't like it and didn't feel he deserved to breathe around them

How is this not a "disadvantage"? If he were straight, chances are he'd still be alive. Think about it king  . Think hard.

Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 12:03:20 PM
When I was talking about their crimes I was referencing the fact that he already has a propensity for violence where the other one does not  :dead:
He's in for attempted murder and armed robbery and made threats to harm his cell late a few times...
The level of aggression and violence between the two is unbalanced here.
Are we not seeing the obvious power struggle here?
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 12:03:37 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 12:01:10 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
well most living creatures will try to defend themselves to save their lives

King what exactly is this proving ?
that straight criminals are not more or less dangerous than gay ones
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Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 12:04:17 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:17 AM
One is an armed robber
but he didn't have his weapon in the prison. Anybody can be tough with a gun. Without that they were 2 thieves in a cell
did you read what they were in prison for :uhh:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 12:05:11 PM
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Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 12:07:20 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:58:49 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
what's your point here
that there were 2 grown men who equally were able to harm each other in this instance. The gay one wasn't at a disadvantage at all
gay men (particularly gay men who are clockable/noticeably gay) are at a "disadvantage" from the moment they step foot into a jail cell

He ultimately lost his life because of his sexuality. Not because he started beef , not because he stole someone's food ...simply because he was gay, someone didn't like it and didn't feel he deserved to breathe around them

How is this not a "disadvantage"? If he were straight, chances are he'd still be alive. Think about it king  . Think hard.
a sassy, lisping, flamboyant gay man still can physically beat up a straight man. You'd be surprised how often this happens. They may be more likely to be approached but they are in there shanking niggas just like everyone else. It's JAIL they're not in there because they're polite well-behaved angels
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 12:03:20 PM
When I was talking about their crimes I was referencing the fact that he already has a propensity for violence where the other one does not  :dead:
He's in for attempted murder and armed robbery and made threats to harm his cell late a few times...
The level of aggression and violence between the two is unbalanced here.
Are we not seeing the obvious power struggle here?
he was ARMED when his crimes happened. So again that still doesn't make him anymore tough when he's without it. The girls from Set It Off were armed robbers, you think Jada Pinkett would be able to beat up this gay dude?
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 12:10:39 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 12:07:20 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:58:49 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
what's your point here
that there were 2 grown men who equally were able to harm each other in this instance. The gay one wasn't at a disadvantage at all
gay men (particularly gay men who are clockable/noticeably gay) are at a "disadvantage" from the moment they step foot into a jail cell

He ultimately lost his life because of his sexuality. Not because he started beef , not because he stole someone's food ...simply because he was gay, someone didn't like it and didn't feel he deserved to breathe around them

How is this not a "disadvantage"? If he were straight, chances are he'd still be alive. Think about it king  . Think hard.
a sassy, lisping, flamboyant gay man still can physically beat up a straight man. You'd be surprised how often this happens. They may be more likely to be approached but they are in there shanking niggas just like everyone else. It's JAIL they're not in there because they're polite well-behaved angels
ray this is not about physical strength. Of course there are gay men who can fight and have muscles etc.

I'm from the hood. I've seen them. They exist. Lol

This is about someone being targeted JUST because they're perceived to be gay. This is about someone's chances of being attacked or being killed in prison climbing significantly higher just because they enter as a gay person

This about them being a minority in a prison dominated by men who are not gay or gay identifying (being outnumbered), and how that can affect them . That is the disadvantage.

Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 12:12:10 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 12:03:20 PM
When I was talking about their crimes I was referencing the fact that he already has a propensity for violence where the other one does not  :dead:
He's in for attempted murder and armed robbery and made threats to harm his cell late a few times...
The level of aggression and violence between the two is unbalanced here.
Are we not seeing the obvious power struggle here?
he was ARMED when his crimes happened. So again that still doesn't make him anymore tough when he's without it. The girls from Set It Off were armed robbers, you think Jada Pinkett would be able to beat up this gay dude?
:udontlookok:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on December 06, 2021, 12:16:16 PM
Is that a real question
Coz if it is Im out
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 12:22:14 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 12:10:39 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 12:07:20 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:58:49 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:55:41 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: Naomi's cheekbones on December 06, 2021, 11:49:25 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 11:47:35 AMIDK why we're in here acting like gay men are weak defenseless wimps out here
not all gay men, just the one who requested to be moved in fear of his life
Even he could've went down swinging. He died from blunt force trauma, not a gunshot
what's your point here
that there were 2 grown men who equally were able to harm each other in this instance. The gay one wasn't at a disadvantage at all
gay men (particularly gay men who are clockable/noticeably gay) are at a "disadvantage" from the moment they step foot into a jail cell

He ultimately lost his life because of his sexuality. Not because he started beef , not because he stole someone's food ...simply because he was gay, someone didn't like it and didn't feel he deserved to breathe around them

How is this not a "disadvantage"? If he were straight, chances are he'd still be alive. Think about it king  . Think hard.
a sassy, lisping, flamboyant gay man still can physically beat up a straight man. You'd be surprised how often this happens. They may be more likely to be approached but they are in there shanking niggas just like everyone else. It's JAIL they're not in there because they're polite well-behaved angels
ray this is not about physical strength. Of course there are gay men who can fight and have muscles etc.

I'm from the hood. I've seen them. They exist. Lol

This is about someone being targeted JUST because they're perceived to be gay. This is about someone's chances of being attacked or being killed in prison climbing significantly higher just because they enter as a gay person

This about them being a minority in a prison dominated by men who are not gay or gay identifying (being outnumbered), and how that can affect them . That is the disadvantage.
We can agree that open gays are more likely to be targeted of course in prison. Ppl will always bully/attack them because of that. But just because you are a target doesnt mean you are defenseless or doomed to just die or be injured. Ppl learn how to adapt to their surroundings for survival. Aggressors can be injured/killed in self-defense. How is that not logical?
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 12:51:26 PM
Ray think of it this way.

Lion vs bull in the wild

The bull is big and strong , able to defend itself and even kill a lion with its sharp horns if it's attacked. It will not go down without a fight.

But in the bigger picture , who's at the disadvantage in the wild? (Regardless of instances where the bull was the victor and killed a lion who attacked)

The predator or the prey?
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 12:55:35 PM
Which one would be considered the prey? Bulls are clearly not from wild like Lions are so they're out of their element however, Lions are usually after gazelles, antelope etc, so a Lion wouldn't be well versed in how to attack a Bull lol
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 01:13:01 PM
There are bulls in the wild luv and they definitely are hunted by lions .

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6YUFN5HJPBw
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 01:21:38 PM
That's a Buffalo 
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 01:21:38 PM
That's a Buffalo
it's a Buffalo BULL.
with the horns as I described it

r u really doing this lol

Bulls exist in the wild.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 01:29:04 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 01:21:38 PM
That's a Buffalo
it's a Buffalo BULL.
with the horns as I described it

r u really doing this lol

Bulls exist in the wild.
there's different types of buffalo and bulls I wasn't thinking of this kind.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 01:37:48 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 01:29:04 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 01:22:37 PM
Quote from: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 01:21:38 PM
That's a Buffalo
it's a Buffalo BULL.
with the horns as I described it

r u really doing this lol

Bulls exist in the wild.
there's different types of buffalo and bulls I wasn't thinking of this kind.
jfjfnfnfnf

mmmm hmmm.

well now u know bvy.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: Aalumeci. on December 06, 2021, 02:05:10 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 12:51:26 PM
Ray think of it this way.

Lion vs bull in the wild

The bull is big and strong , able to defend itself and even kill a lion with its sharp horns if it's attacked. It will not go down without a fight.

But in the bigger picture , who's at the disadvantage in the wild? (Regardless of instances where the bull was the victor and killed a lion who attacked)

The predator or the prey?

The fkn prey.

I don't know how the girls have the energy to pussy foot around everything every day.
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 02:10:14 PM
Gghhghhfcgh
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 02:18:01 PM
:omf:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 06, 2021, 02:24:25 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:49:38 AM
Quote from: ophliyah on December 06, 2021, 11:44:30 AM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 11:36:31 AM
Do you know what homophobic men in prison do to gay men Oph?

Take a wild guess.

Yes im an "expert" ... on common sense lol

this is "common sense". this is sn assumption that all gay men are weak and get punked by homophobes in prison

cvccvcvvccv
this is not an assumption of weakness. It's a history of vulnerability backed by actual data/statistics .

QuoteLesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) prisoners often face additional challenges compared to non-LGBT prisoners. According to Just Detention International, LGBT inmates are "among the most vulnerable in the prison population". 67% of LGBT prisoners in California report being assaulted while in prison. The vulnerability of LGBT prisoners has led some prisons to separate them from other prisoners, while in others they are housed with the general population.

Your turn . 🤷🏾

um, this has nothing to do with your ASSUMPTION that this gay man was afraid for his safety. we didn't know that until it was reported. this poll doesn't say 67% of gay prisons are afraid for their safety. only that they reported being assaulted. and tbh.... who ISN'T assaulted. its prison. vvvvccccv

ur turn

:letsmessfag:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 02:32:18 PM
Also, that statistic is "LGBT" and in California and "reported" meaning it's including females who are lesbians, transmen etc and only reported for 1 state
AND ppl could be lying or not telling all the facts :dead:. When this discussion is about gay men vs straight men in prayer in general 
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ophmani on December 06, 2021, 02:35:02 PM
i don't think anyone has a reason to lie about bein assaulted in prison hun
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 02:42:32 PM
Well maybe not lying about whether or not they were attacked but about the details (who started it, were they provoked, were there reasons why they were attacked outside of being gay etc)
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: CHOKE on December 06, 2021, 02:54:14 PM
So we all on da same page, the only one to blame is the nigga right?

:disgusted:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: RAY7 on December 06, 2021, 02:57:05 PM
Lolz
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 03:13:49 PM
:rudone:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: CHOKE on December 06, 2021, 03:25:23 PM
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Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: JCJ 🪐 on December 06, 2021, 04:43:24 PM
m



whether he could defend himself or not is irrelevant
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: ReVon on December 06, 2021, 04:57:50 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 03:13:49 PM
:rudone:

NOT ONLY DO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS TOPIC 
BUT I ALWAYS ENJOY READING YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
YOU ARE ALWAYS SO DETAILED.

:lopsided:

THAT'S WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY  PEOPLE
ON HERE LET A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAY GO RIGHT OVER THEIR HEADS. SMH

:melmel:
Title: Re: prisoner kills gay cellmate after asking to be moved away from him
Post by: shante smith on December 06, 2021, 06:03:17 PM
Quote from: Say-Something-ReVon on December 06, 2021, 04:57:50 PM
Quote from: Lady of Lithuania on December 06, 2021, 03:13:49 PM
:rudone:

NOT ONLY DO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS TOPIC 
BUT I ALWAYS ENJOY READING YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
YOU ARE ALWAYS SO DETAILED.

:lopsided:

THAT'S WHY I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY  PEOPLE
ON HERE LET A LOT OF WHAT YOU SAY GO RIGHT OVER THEIR HEADS. SMH

:melmel:
thnx cutie pie 🥰