It's exactly what first came to mind for me
It's the OPTICS in consideration of BOTH involved. Not just one or the other.
im sorry but it makes sense.
i was drawing a blank until i actually started watching the video footage that Chris posted. and then the reason immediately hit me as i WATCHED it.
Quotehe immediately contacted the higher ups at Disney and ABC about the "optics" of the performance.
Quote from: Brazilian Kang on November 19, 2022, 05:49:43 PMThe more I think about it the more I actually find a reason
U have one highly controversial artist paying tribute to another highly controversial artist .
One could argue that there's no smoking gun for Michaels mess which is true . It was never proven. But sometimes perception overrides reality/facts.
This possible reason didn't hit me (no pun) until I started watching the performance footage he posted .
Not saying I agree with the decision to cancel cuz personally I wouldn't have cared but for those desperately looking for a reason or possible explanation that's something to consider IMO
They could have had second thoughts regarding the OPTICS of it all. And I stress the word "optics" cuz I swear that didn't cross my mind til I actually saw the tribute in motion .
https://www.instagram.com/p/ClPBXrHPvTX/
And I'm glad they used the word "alleged" with Michael.
that is correct language to use, as it was never proven. there were allegations against him which severely tarnished his reputation
i can't say he molested those kids but i unfortunately i can't say that he didn't either.
it's just about how everything looks.
again, sometimes perception overrides reality/facts...or what has yet to be proven.
it's unfortunate for both of them. for michael because maybe he didn't touch those kids and his tribute was cancelled
and for chris because he clearly wants to tribute his idol but his own past is coming back to haunt him in a crazy way.
it just sucks for everyone involved but i understand it.
Who cares? He beat up Rihanna pretty bad and the general public shouldn't have to forgive him if they do not want to. This situation speaks to how violence is okay in the black community.
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I'd say this was def a business decision. not an attack on chris or even michael tbh.
a wise decision IMO if im removing my heart and love for mike/ chris's music completely and just thinking logically.
This is Disney/ABC. You have to remember that as well.
The Rihanna incident is only year in the timeline of Chris' horrendous antics. He had a 10-year spree of being a menace that was allowed because he is attractive. Now at 35 he is redeemed with no accountability. That's how we coddle black straight men.
"Optics"
Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.
Quote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 06:34:15 PM,;mpjno[pikbjuvhijnbjuhyv
I'd say this was def a business decision. not an attack on chris or even michael tbh.
This is Disney/ABC. You have to remember that as well.
Why hire him to began with based on the optics? Did the CEO discovered Chris Brown's past behavior hours before the show? If anything, this will work in Chris' favor because people will feel bad for him totally neglecting his past faults. So the the decision actually helped Chris.
Quote from: justcommenting on November 21, 2022, 06:35:40 PMThe Rihanna incident is only year in the timeline of Chris' horrendous antics. He had a 10-year spree of being a menace that was allowed because he is attractive. Now at 35 he is redeemed with no accountability. That's how we coddle black straight men.
oh shit. shake the table.
Quote from: justcommenting on November 21, 2022, 06:35:40 PMThe Rihanna incident is only year in the timeline of Chris' horrendous antics. He had a 10-year spree of being a menace that was allowed because he is attractive. Now at 35 he is redeemed with no accountability. That's how we coddle black straight men.
oh i agree that chris is def coddled too much.
i absolutely love him as an artist but im not going to bat for him as a person.
the stuff he's willingly put out there to shade black women is inexcusable and indefensible in my book.
the only str8 man im coddling at the moment
and doin other things too ....at his request lolz :caramelapple:
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Piss is literally the original Da Baby. Black people always advocating to save the WRONG niggers.
:udontlookok:
Quote from: Georgina Sparks on November 21, 2022, 06:51:32 PMPiss is literally the original Da Baby. Black people always advocating to save the WRONG niggers.
:udontlookok:
dsdsddsdssd
yeah black people are backwards and always uplifting the FILTH of the community. this we know.
i hope people pay attention to the bolded.
they (ABC/Disney execs) still wanted Chris to perform ...but the tribute would have too much MESS in one place. they described the combo as potentially "radioactive"
that's exactly how i felt. but the exact words that came to my mind were "problematic OVERLOAD". sdnsndsndnsdsnddsdsn :plzstop:
i blame the show producers, not ABC .
if i, as an ordinary ass citizen could watch that footage chris posted and immediately see the fucking issue
how the FUCK didn't they see this at least
possibly coming and get a green light from ABC execs in ADVANCE of chris preparing for weeks?
QuoteOnce the executives found out about the performance, they immediately told the producers to cut the tribute as a whole. The producers were reportedly furious at the decision to axe the performance because they knew the backlash they would receive, but after calls with multiple executives through the company they decided that Chris could still perform, but he couldn't do the tribute because it would be too "radioactive".
They tried to come up with an alternative plan, but Chris said it's all or nothing for him— either he does the performance he planned on doing or he won't perform at all. So, he didn't perform and posted the rehearsal footage on his Instagram.
not some "oh btw chris brown is payin tribute to michael!" mess sent in the final hour to fucking DISNEY execs.
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Wow, seeing Chris tribute MJ..... the last thing I would have thought about was Rihanna and some kids.
The industry powers now see that Chris is on track to being highly regarded and they're trying to stop it.
Quote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 06:51:09 PMthe only str8 man im coddling at the moment
and doin other things too ....at his request lolz :caramelapple:
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He is fine as FUCK. I remember when I first saw him, on the Wheaties box. I had to ask Rig who this man WAS
Quote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 07:46:14 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 06:51:09 PMthe only str8 man im coddling at the moment
and doin other things too ....at his request lolz :caramelapple:
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He is fine as FUCK. I remember when I first saw him, on the Wheaties box. I had to ask Rig who this man WAS
oh no bitch u aint bout to sass me AND be all up on my trade in the same day
is it a suicide note?
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
I hadn't seen the Rihanna photo in a while so I googled it and it's not as bad as I remember :unsure:
Boy stfu
Quote from: Big Barbie on November 21, 2022, 07:50:12 PMI hadn't seen the Rihanna photo in a while so I googled it and it's not as bad as I remember :unsure:
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:trannyjblige:
Quote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 07:53:05 PMQuote from: Big Barbie on November 21, 2022, 07:50:12 PMI hadn't seen the Rihanna photo in a while so I googled it and it's not as bad as I remember :unsure:
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mmmmmm
Quote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 07:39:15 PMWow, seeing Chris tribute MJ..... the last thing I would have thought about was Rihanna and some kids.
i dunno if that's a good thing
Quote from: Big Barbie on November 21, 2022, 07:50:12 PMI hadn't seen the Rihanna photo in a while so I googled it and it's not as bad as I remember :unsure:
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which part looks less bad to you
Quote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 08:14:34 PMQuote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 07:39:15 PMWow, seeing Chris tribute MJ..... the last thing I would have thought about was Rihanna and some kids.
i dunno if that's a good thing
It is.
Quote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 08:50:31 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 08:14:34 PMQuote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 07:39:15 PMWow, seeing Chris tribute MJ..... the last thing I would have thought about was Rihanna and some kids.
i dunno if that's a good thing
It is.
well if ur looking at things strictly as a fan and not really with a business or logic hat on i could see that.
without the context of this entire story of cancellation i woulda probably enjoyed the performance with not a lot of thought
but looking at the footage with the story in mind it immediately clicked.
Quote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 08:55:32 PMQuote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 08:50:31 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 08:14:34 PMQuote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 07:39:15 PMWow, seeing Chris tribute MJ..... the last thing I would have thought about was Rihanna and some kids.
i dunno if that's a good thing
It is.
well if ur looking at things strictly as a fan and not really with a business or logic hat on i could see that.
Yea cuz Im a fan being entertained, not a part owner :uhh:
Quote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 08:57:09 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 08:55:32 PMQuote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 08:50:31 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 08:14:34 PMQuote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 07:39:15 PMWow, seeing Chris tribute MJ..... the last thing I would have thought about was Rihanna and some kids.
i dunno if that's a good thing
It is.
well if ur looking at things strictly as a fan and not really with a business or logic hat on i could see that.
Yea cuz Im a fan being entertained, not a part owner :uhh:
i edited:
"without the context of this entire story of cancellation i woulda probably enjoyed the performance with not a lot of thought
but looking at the footage with the story in mind it immediately clicked."
hope that makes sense.
Quote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 08:57:43 PMQuote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 08:57:09 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 08:55:32 PMQuote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 08:50:31 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 08:14:34 PMQuote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 07:39:15 PMWow, seeing Chris tribute MJ..... the last thing I would have thought about was Rihanna and some kids.
i dunno if that's a good thing
It is.
well if ur looking at things strictly as a fan and not really with a business or logic hat on i could see that.
Yea cuz Im a fan being entertained, not a part owner :uhh:
i edited:
"without the context of this entire story of cancellation i woulda probably enjoyed the performance with not a lot of thought
but looking at the footage with the story in mind it immediately clicked."
hope that makes sense.
Mmhmm, gotchu
Quote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 08:58:25 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 08:57:43 PMQuote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 08:57:09 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 08:55:32 PMQuote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 08:50:31 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 08:14:34 PMQuote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 07:39:15 PMWow, seeing Chris tribute MJ..... the last thing I would have thought about was Rihanna and some kids.
i dunno if that's a good thing
It is.
well if ur looking at things strictly as a fan and not really with a business or logic hat on i could see that.
Yea cuz Im a fan being entertained, not a part owner :uhh:
i edited:
"without the context of this entire story of cancellation i woulda probably enjoyed the performance with not a lot of thought
but looking at the footage with the story in mind it immediately clicked."
hope that makes sense.
Mmhmm, gotchu
perfect.
Oh bitch you stay editing. That ugly ass "hope that makes sense" wasnt in there at first, bitch. I def woulda swung harder.
girl fuk you
:omgwatshappening:
Quote from: L0nz. on November 21, 2022, 08:59:10 PMOh bitch you stay editing. That ugly ass "hope that makes sense" wasnt in there at first, bitch. I def woulda swung harder.
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im just checking in :omgwatshappening:
i legit just be makin sure there's clarity and no misunderstandings
Quote from: Nine on November 21, 2022, 08:39:47 PMQuote from: Big Barbie on November 21, 2022, 07:50:12 PMI hadn't seen the Rihanna photo in a while so I googled it and it's not as bad as I remember :unsure:
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which part looks less bad to you
Get your motherfucking hands off of me.
:unbothered:
Quote from: Big Barbie on November 21, 2022, 09:07:16 PMQuote from: Nine on November 21, 2022, 08:39:47 PMQuote from: Big Barbie on November 21, 2022, 07:50:12 PMI hadn't seen the Rihanna photo in a while so I googled it and it's not as bad as I remember :unsure:
in]pmfofad'asnsdffsd
which part looks less bad to you
Get your motherfucking hands off of me.
:unbothered:
no
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Quote from: Nine on November 21, 2022, 09:19:14 PMQuote from: Big Barbie on November 21, 2022, 09:07:16 PMQuote from: Nine on November 21, 2022, 08:39:47 PMQuote from: Big Barbie on November 21, 2022, 07:50:12 PMI hadn't seen the Rihanna photo in a while so I googled it and it's not as bad as I remember :unsure:
in]pmfofad'asnsdffsd
which part looks less bad to you
Get your motherfucking hands off of me.
:unbothered:
no
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Not cool.
Quote from: Big Barbie on November 21, 2022, 09:20:06 PMQuote from: Nine on November 21, 2022, 09:19:14 PMQuote from: Big Barbie on November 21, 2022, 09:07:16 PMQuote from: Nine on November 21, 2022, 08:39:47 PMQuote from: Big Barbie on November 21, 2022, 07:50:12 PMI hadn't seen the Rihanna photo in a while so I googled it and it's not as bad as I remember :unsure:
in]pmfofad'asnsdffsd
which part looks less bad to you
Get your motherfucking hands off of me.
:unbothered:
no
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Are you Chris Brown?
maybe. i did just do a line.
:diddraispoot:
Quote from: Nine on November 21, 2022, 09:22:41 PMQuote from: Big Barbie on November 21, 2022, 09:20:06 PMQuote from: Nine on November 21, 2022, 09:19:14 PMQuote from: Big Barbie on November 21, 2022, 09:07:16 PMQuote from: Nine on November 21, 2022, 08:39:47 PMQuote from: Big Barbie on November 21, 2022, 07:50:12 PMI hadn't seen the Rihanna photo in a while so I googled it and it's not as bad as I remember :unsure:
in]pmfofad'asnsdffsd
which part looks less bad to you
Get your motherfucking hands off of me.
:unbothered:
no
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Are you Chris Brown?
maybe. i did just do a line.
:diddraispoot:
or listening to 4
Usher's tribute was fine as he can really sing unlike Chris.
This is really stupid honestly if Michael being an alleged molester was an issue
Why even plan a tribute to him in the first place? So it would be cool if an innocent person tributed a molester? :uhh:
Forget Chris this is really disrespectful to Michael. He went to TWO trials and was found not guilty both times. How can you treat a person like they're guilty or possibly guilty just because they're accused of something? Basically it's saying that the verdict means nothing
:disgusted:
Quote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 10:39:37 PMThis is really stupid honestly if Michael being an alleged molester was an issue
Why even plan a tribute to him in the first place? So it would be cool if an innocent person tributed a molester? :uhh:
Forget Chris this is really disrespectful to Michael. He went to TWO trials and was found not guilty both times. How can you treat a person like they're guilty or possibly guilty just because they're accused of something? Basically it's saying that the verdict means nothing
:disgusted:
it's really not about michael actually being a molester. he's an alleged molester.
one who beat a couple of cases and settled others. but was never found guilty.
however, ya'll are really dismissing the power of PERCEPTION
OJ was found not guilty in the court of law but that did not change what the gorls felt about him and what they knew in their hearts to be true.
people watching TV won't think "oh i thought mike touched those kids but he beat those cases in court and settled the others so he's good in my book ! LMAO! long as theres no guilty verdict!"
even if those execs think that michael AND chris did nothing worth canceling the show for
this is ultimately a business and they have to consider what their viewers will think of what's on their screens.
it's just too much.
"woman beater pays tribute to alleged child molester, brought to you by Disney/ABC. "
that's not what you may see but you have to think further than yourself a bit to understand why this decision was made.
Quote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 10:51:33 PMQuote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 10:39:37 PMThis is really stupid honestly if Michael being an alleged molester was an issue
Why even plan a tribute to him in the first place? So it would be cool if an innocent person tributed a molester? :uhh:
Forget Chris this is really disrespectful to Michael. He went to TWO trials and was found not guilty both times. How can you treat a person like they're guilty or possibly guilty just because they're accused of something? Basically it's saying that the verdict means nothing
:disgusted:
it's really not about michael actually being a molester. he's an alleged molester.
one who beat a couple of cases and settled others. but was never found guilty.
however, ya'll are really dismissing the power of PERCEPTION
OJ was found not guilty in the court of law but that did not change what the gorls felt about him and what they knew in their hearts to be true.
people watching TV won't think "oh i thought mike touched those kids but he beat those cases in court and settled the others so he's good in my book ! LMAO! long as theres no guilty verdict!"
even if those execs think that michael AND chris did nothing worth canceling the show for
this is ultimately a business and they have to consider what their viewers will think of what's on their screens.
it's just too much. woman beater pays tribute to alleged child molester.
that's not what you may see but you have to think further than yourself a bit to understand why this decision was made.
which still leads to my point, why even put together a tribute in the first place for this person who ppl watching might have issues with? Were they gonna be fine if it was Usher doing the tribute to an ALLEGED molester because he's never been on trial for anything? It's just not making sense.
Also, what else can a person do when they are acquitted of crimes? You're just gonna be ALLEGED for the stuff you already were cleared of FOREVER? This man has been dead for 13 years and still technically being punished for something that no one can prove to be true. Like come ON
Quote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 11:06:34 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 10:51:33 PMQuote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 10:39:37 PMThis is really stupid honestly if Michael being an alleged molester was an issue
Why even plan a tribute to him in the first place? So it would be cool if an innocent person tributed a molester? :uhh:
Forget Chris this is really disrespectful to Michael. He went to TWO trials and was found not guilty both times. How can you treat a person like they're guilty or possibly guilty just because they're accused of something? Basically it's saying that the verdict means nothing
:disgusted:
it's really not about michael actually being a molester. he's an alleged molester.
one who beat a couple of cases and settled others. but was never found guilty.
however, ya'll are really dismissing the power of PERCEPTION
OJ was found not guilty in the court of law but that did not change what the gorls felt about him and what they knew in their hearts to be true.
people watching TV won't think "oh i thought mike touched those kids but he beat those cases in court and settled the others so he's good in my book ! LMAO! long as theres no guilty verdict!"
even if those execs think that michael AND chris did nothing worth canceling the show for
this is ultimately a business and they have to consider what their viewers will think of what's on their screens.
it's just too much. woman beater pays tribute to alleged child molester.
that's not what you may see but you have to think further than yourself a bit to understand why this decision was made.
which still leads to my point, why even put together a tribute in the first place for this person who ppl watching might have issues with? We're they gonna be fine if it was Usher doing the tribute to an ALLEGED molester because he's never been on trial for anything? It's just not making sense.
Also, what else can a person do when they are acquitted of crimes? You're just gonna be ALLEGED for the stuff you already were cleared of FOREVER? This man has been dead for 13 years and still technically being punished for something that no one can prove to be true. Like come ON
you're kinda doing the reverse of what everyone else was doing
they were making it solely about chris and him being attacked and targeted
ur kinda making it about michael being attacked and targeted
it is BOTH of them. it is CHRIS doing a tribute to MICHAEL. it is their COMBINED histories that make for what could be a super uncomfortable segment of the show.
i personally blame the AMA producers for not getting full clearance and approval from Disney/ABC in ADVANCE before putting Chris through all those rehearsals and mess.
like, how could they NOT see this coming. ABC/Disney is doing what's best for their brand/image. They (ABC/Disney) even tried to work it out with Chris with alternative plans for him to perform/promote something else but Chris said he wasn't showing up at all if he wasn't doing the tribute. Which is understandable considering all the work he put in for that tribute specifically. He was pissed.
AMA is at fault.
I'd like to know which idiot thought putting something like this together without notifying DISNEY execs first would end well or be fruitful.
Quote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 11:11:12 PMQuote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 11:06:34 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 10:51:33 PMQuote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 10:39:37 PMThis is really stupid honestly if Michael being an alleged molester was an issue
Why even plan a tribute to him in the first place? So it would be cool if an innocent person tributed a molester? :uhh:
Forget Chris this is really disrespectful to Michael. He went to TWO trials and was found not guilty both times. How can you treat a person like they're guilty or possibly guilty just because they're accused of something? Basically it's saying that the verdict means nothing
:disgusted:
it's really not about michael actually being a molester. he's an alleged molester.
one who beat a couple of cases and settled others. but was never found guilty.
however, ya'll are really dismissing the power of PERCEPTION
OJ was found not guilty in the court of law but that did not change what the gorls felt about him and what they knew in their hearts to be true.
people watching TV won't think "oh i thought mike touched those kids but he beat those cases in court and settled the others so he's good in my book ! LMAO! long as theres no guilty verdict!"
even if those execs think that michael AND chris did nothing worth canceling the show for
this is ultimately a business and they have to consider what their viewers will think of what's on their screens.
it's just too much. woman beater pays tribute to alleged child molester.
that's not what you may see but you have to think further than yourself a bit to understand why this decision was made.
which still leads to my point, why even put together a tribute in the first place for this person who ppl watching might have issues with? We're they gonna be fine if it was Usher doing the tribute to an ALLEGED molester because he's never been on trial for anything? It's just not making sense.
Also, what else can a person do when they are acquitted of crimes? You're just gonna be ALLEGED for the stuff you already were cleared of FOREVER? This man has been dead for 13 years and still technically being punished for something that no one can prove to be true. Like come ON
you're kinda doing the reverse of what everyone else was doing
they were making it solely about chris and him being attacked and targeted
ur kinda making it about michael being attacked and targeted
it is BOTH of them. it is CHRIS doing a tribute to MICHAEL. it is their COMBINED histories that make for what could be a super uncomfortable segment of the show.
i personally blame the AMA producers for not getting full clearance and approval from Disney/ABC in ADVANCE before putting Chris through all those rehearsals and mess.
like, how could they NOT see this coming. ABC/Disney is doing what's best for their brand/image. They (ABC/Disney) even tried to work it out with Chris with alternative plans for him to perform/promote something else but Chris said he wasn't showing up at all if he wasn't doing the tribute. Which is understandable considering all the work he put in for that tribute specifically. He was pissed.
AMA is at fault.
for me though at least Chris has a CONFIRMED history speak of and Michael does not. You can't put that together. That's basically saying regardless if you're innocent or not, you get punished because you were accused. Anybody can accuse anyone of anything, with or without evidence and in the blink of an eye any of us can be ALLEGED anything. That's not right. Those execs were wrong and them ratings were LOW as expected
Quote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 11:21:51 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 11:11:12 PMQuote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 11:06:34 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 10:51:33 PMQuote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 10:39:37 PMThis is really stupid honestly if Michael being an alleged molester was an issue
Why even plan a tribute to him in the first place? So it would be cool if an innocent person tributed a molester? :uhh:
Forget Chris this is really disrespectful to Michael. He went to TWO trials and was found not guilty both times. How can you treat a person like they're guilty or possibly guilty just because they're accused of something? Basically it's saying that the verdict means nothing
:disgusted:
it's really not about michael actually being a molester. he's an alleged molester.
one who beat a couple of cases and settled others. but was never found guilty.
however, ya'll are really dismissing the power of PERCEPTION
OJ was found not guilty in the court of law but that did not change what the gorls felt about him and what they knew in their hearts to be true.
people watching TV won't think "oh i thought mike touched those kids but he beat those cases in court and settled the others so he's good in my book ! LMAO! long as theres no guilty verdict!"
even if those execs think that michael AND chris did nothing worth canceling the show for
this is ultimately a business and they have to consider what their viewers will think of what's on their screens.
it's just too much. woman beater pays tribute to alleged child molester.
that's not what you may see but you have to think further than yourself a bit to understand why this decision was made.
which still leads to my point, why even put together a tribute in the first place for this person who ppl watching might have issues with? We're they gonna be fine if it was Usher doing the tribute to an ALLEGED molester because he's never been on trial for anything? It's just not making sense.
Also, what else can a person do when they are acquitted of crimes? You're just gonna be ALLEGED for the stuff you already were cleared of FOREVER? This man has been dead for 13 years and still technically being punished for something that no one can prove to be true. Like come ON
you're kinda doing the reverse of what everyone else was doing
they were making it solely about chris and him being attacked and targeted
ur kinda making it about michael being attacked and targeted
it is BOTH of them. it is CHRIS doing a tribute to MICHAEL. it is their COMBINED histories that make for what could be a super uncomfortable segment of the show.
i personally blame the AMA producers for not getting full clearance and approval from Disney/ABC in ADVANCE before putting Chris through all those rehearsals and mess.
like, how could they NOT see this coming. ABC/Disney is doing what's best for their brand/image. They (ABC/Disney) even tried to work it out with Chris with alternative plans for him to perform/promote something else but Chris said he wasn't showing up at all if he wasn't doing the tribute. Which is understandable considering all the work he put in for that tribute specifically. He was pissed.
AMA is at fault.
for me though at least Chris has a CONFIRMED history speak of and Michael does not. You can't put that together. That's basically saying regardless if you're innocent or not, you get punished because you were accused. Anybody can accuse anyone of anything, with or without evidence and in the blink of an eye any of us can be ALLEGED anything. That's not right. Those execs were wrong and them ratings were LOW as expected
again, this comes back to PERCEPTION, and its power which u keep dismissing lol.
yes Ray that's how the world works unfortunately.
if someone accuses their teacher of sexually assaulting them, and it makes headlines everywhere
whether the teacher actually did it or not...the damage to their reputation is done.
this is just reality. and Disney/ABC is a business. they must be tapped into reality in order to make and keep their money.
unfortunately the real world doesn't operate like a fairytale with gum drops flowing and everyone getting the benefit of the doubt.
in the real world, if people THINK you're a child molester...you're a child molester.
ever heard of the phrase "perception is reality"? it is 1000% applicable in this case.
so even if mike never laid one finger on a child before, he might as well have if enough people THINK he did.
so u now combine mike's reality with chris's reality and u get an explosion of mess. problematic overload.
all with a common theme of mistreatment and abuse of other human beings
is this making sense now?
Quote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 11:31:10 PMQuote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 11:21:51 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 11:11:12 PMQuote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 11:06:34 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 10:51:33 PMQuote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 10:39:37 PMThis is really stupid honestly if Michael being an alleged molester was an issue
Why even plan a tribute to him in the first place? So it would be cool if an innocent person tributed a molester? :uhh:
Forget Chris this is really disrespectful to Michael. He went to TWO trials and was found not guilty both times. How can you treat a person like they're guilty or possibly guilty just because they're accused of something? Basically it's saying that the verdict means nothing
:disgusted:
it's really not about michael actually being a molester. he's an alleged molester.
one who beat a couple of cases and settled others. but was never found guilty.
however, ya'll are really dismissing the power of PERCEPTION
OJ was found not guilty in the court of law but that did not change what the gorls felt about him and what they knew in their hearts to be true.
people watching TV won't think "oh i thought mike touched those kids but he beat those cases in court and settled the others so he's good in my book ! LMAO! long as theres no guilty verdict!"
even if those execs think that michael AND chris did nothing worth canceling the show for
this is ultimately a business and they have to consider what their viewers will think of what's on their screens.
it's just too much. woman beater pays tribute to alleged child molester.
that's not what you may see but you have to think further than yourself a bit to understand why this decision was made.
which still leads to my point, why even put together a tribute in the first place for this person who ppl watching might have issues with? We're they gonna be fine if it was Usher doing the tribute to an ALLEGED molester because he's never been on trial for anything? It's just not making sense.
Also, what else can a person do when they are acquitted of crimes? You're just gonna be ALLEGED for the stuff you already were cleared of FOREVER? This man has been dead for 13 years and still technically being punished for something that no one can prove to be true. Like come ON
you're kinda doing the reverse of what everyone else was doing
they were making it solely about chris and him being attacked and targeted
ur kinda making it about michael being attacked and targeted
it is BOTH of them. it is CHRIS doing a tribute to MICHAEL. it is their COMBINED histories that make for what could be a super uncomfortable segment of the show.
i personally blame the AMA producers for not getting full clearance and approval from Disney/ABC in ADVANCE before putting Chris through all those rehearsals and mess.
like, how could they NOT see this coming. ABC/Disney is doing what's best for their brand/image. They (ABC/Disney) even tried to work it out with Chris with alternative plans for him to perform/promote something else but Chris said he wasn't showing up at all if he wasn't doing the tribute. Which is understandable considering all the work he put in for that tribute specifically. He was pissed.
AMA is at fault.
for me though at least Chris has a CONFIRMED history speak of and Michael does not. You can't put that together. That's basically saying regardless if you're innocent or not, you get punished because you were accused. Anybody can accuse anyone of anything, with or without evidence and in the blink of an eye any of us can be ALLEGED anything. That's not right. Those execs were wrong and them ratings were LOW as expected
again, this comes back to PERCEPTION, and its power which u keep dismissing lol.
yes Ray that's how the world works unfortunately.
if someone accuses their teacher of sexually assaulting them, and it makes headlines everywhere
whether the teacher actually did it or not...the damage to their reputation is done.
this is just reality. and Disney/ABC is a business. they must be tapped into reality in order to make and keep their money.
unfortunately the real world doesn't operate like a fairytale with gum drops flowing and everyone getting the benefit of the doubt.
in the real world, if people THINK you're a child molester...you're a child molester.
ever heard of the phrase "perception is reality"? it is 1000% applicable in this case.
so even if mike never laid one finger on a child before, he might as well have if enough people THINK he did.
is this making sense now?
what you're saying is true I'm just mad about it. There needs to be a change because that's problematic. Ppl can't get on with their lives when they're falsely accused of something? Even when they're dead and can't even defend themselves? :uhh:
Quote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 11:42:59 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 11:31:10 PMQuote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 11:21:51 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 11:11:12 PMQuote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 11:06:34 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 10:51:33 PMQuote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 10:39:37 PMThis is really stupid honestly if Michael being an alleged molester was an issue
Why even plan a tribute to him in the first place? So it would be cool if an innocent person tributed a molester? :uhh:
Forget Chris this is really disrespectful to Michael. He went to TWO trials and was found not guilty both times. How can you treat a person like they're guilty or possibly guilty just because they're accused of something? Basically it's saying that the verdict means nothing
:disgusted:
it's really not about michael actually being a molester. he's an alleged molester.
one who beat a couple of cases and settled others. but was never found guilty.
however, ya'll are really dismissing the power of PERCEPTION
OJ was found not guilty in the court of law but that did not change what the gorls felt about him and what they knew in their hearts to be true.
people watching TV won't think "oh i thought mike touched those kids but he beat those cases in court and settled the others so he's good in my book ! LMAO! long as theres no guilty verdict!"
even if those execs think that michael AND chris did nothing worth canceling the show for
this is ultimately a business and they have to consider what their viewers will think of what's on their screens.
it's just too much. woman beater pays tribute to alleged child molester.
that's not what you may see but you have to think further than yourself a bit to understand why this decision was made.
which still leads to my point, why even put together a tribute in the first place for this person who ppl watching might have issues with? We're they gonna be fine if it was Usher doing the tribute to an ALLEGED molester because he's never been on trial for anything? It's just not making sense.
Also, what else can a person do when they are acquitted of crimes? You're just gonna be ALLEGED for the stuff you already were cleared of FOREVER? This man has been dead for 13 years and still technically being punished for something that no one can prove to be true. Like come ON
you're kinda doing the reverse of what everyone else was doing
they were making it solely about chris and him being attacked and targeted
ur kinda making it about michael being attacked and targeted
it is BOTH of them. it is CHRIS doing a tribute to MICHAEL. it is their COMBINED histories that make for what could be a super uncomfortable segment of the show.
i personally blame the AMA producers for not getting full clearance and approval from Disney/ABC in ADVANCE before putting Chris through all those rehearsals and mess.
like, how could they NOT see this coming. ABC/Disney is doing what's best for their brand/image. They (ABC/Disney) even tried to work it out with Chris with alternative plans for him to perform/promote something else but Chris said he wasn't showing up at all if he wasn't doing the tribute. Which is understandable considering all the work he put in for that tribute specifically. He was pissed.
AMA is at fault.
for me though at least Chris has a CONFIRMED history speak of and Michael does not. You can't put that together. That's basically saying regardless if you're innocent or not, you get punished because you were accused. Anybody can accuse anyone of anything, with or without evidence and in the blink of an eye any of us can be ALLEGED anything. That's not right. Those execs were wrong and them ratings were LOW as expected
again, this comes back to PERCEPTION, and its power which u keep dismissing lol.
yes Ray that's how the world works unfortunately.
if someone accuses their teacher of sexually assaulting them, and it makes headlines everywhere
whether the teacher actually did it or not...the damage to their reputation is done.
this is just reality. and Disney/ABC is a business. they must be tapped into reality in order to make and keep their money.
unfortunately the real world doesn't operate like a fairytale with gum drops flowing and everyone getting the benefit of the doubt.
in the real world, if people THINK you're a child molester...you're a child molester.
ever heard of the phrase "perception is reality"? it is 1000% applicable in this case.
so even if mike never laid one finger on a child before, he might as well have if enough people THINK he did.
is this making sense now?
what you're saying is true I'm just mad about it. There needs to be a change because that's problematic. Ppl can't get on with their lives when they're falsely accused of something? Even when they're dead and can't even defend themselves? :uhh:
it sucks but i mean "life isn't fair" and mess i guess.
unfortunately mike's apparent infatuation with children and desire to be around them so much put him in a position for accusations that, whether true or not, seemed believable enough.
talking about sharing his bed with kids , having sleepovers.....
i want to believe that michael was so genuinely innocent and naive that he didn't even see the "issue" with saying all of that stuff and putting himself in those situations.... and how it could be perceived and ultimately used against him
but i honestly don't know.
Bow is such a white lady
"Wow, I remember it very differently... :usureuok:"
https://twitter.com/buzzingpop/status/1594886940020686851
Quote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 11:06:34 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 10:51:33 PMQuote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 10:39:37 PMThis is really stupid honestly if Michael being an alleged molester was an issue
Why even plan a tribute to him in the first place? So it would be cool if an innocent person tributed a molester? :uhh:
Forget Chris this is really disrespectful to Michael. He went to TWO trials and was found not guilty both times. How can you treat a person like they're guilty or possibly guilty just because they're accused of something? Basically it's saying that the verdict means nothing
:disgusted:
it's really not about michael actually being a molester. he's an alleged molester.
one who beat a couple of cases and settled others. but was never found guilty.
however, ya'll are really dismissing the power of PERCEPTION
OJ was found not guilty in the court of law but that did not change what the gorls felt about him and what they knew in their hearts to be true.
people watching TV won't think "oh i thought mike touched those kids but he beat those cases in court and settled the others so he's good in my book ! LMAO! long as theres no guilty verdict!"
even if those execs think that michael AND chris did nothing worth canceling the show for
this is ultimately a business and they have to consider what their viewers will think of what's on their screens.
it's just too much. woman beater pays tribute to alleged child molester.
that's not what you may see but you have to think further than yourself a bit to understand why this decision was made.
which still leads to my point, why even put together a tribute in the first place for this person who ppl watching might have issues with? Were they gonna be fine if it was Usher doing the tribute to an ALLEGED molester because he's never been on trial for anything? It's just not making sense.
Also, what else can a person do when they are acquitted of crimes? You're just gonna be ALLEGED for the stuff you already were cleared of FOREVER? This man has been dead for 13 years and still technically being punished for something that no one can prove to be true. Like come ON
Quote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 11:06:34 PMQuote from: Brazilian Kang on November 21, 2022, 10:51:33 PMQuote from: RAY7 on November 21, 2022, 10:39:37 PMThis is really stupid honestly if Michael being an alleged molester was an issue
Why even plan a tribute to him in the first place? So it would be cool if an innocent person tributed a molester? :uhh:
Forget Chris this is really disrespectful to Michael. He went to TWO trials and was found not guilty both times. How can you treat a person like they're guilty or possibly guilty just because they're accused of something? Basically it's saying that the verdict means nothing
:disgusted:
it's really not about michael actually being a molester. he's an alleged molester.
one who beat a couple of cases and settled others. but was never found guilty.
however, ya'll are really dismissing the power of PERCEPTION
OJ was found not guilty in the court of law but that did not change what the gorls felt about him and what they knew in their hearts to be true.
people watching TV won't think "oh i thought mike touched those kids but he beat those cases in court and settled the others so he's good in my book ! LMAO! long as theres no guilty verdict!"
even if those execs think that michael AND chris did nothing worth canceling the show for
this is ultimately a business and they have to consider what their viewers will think of what's on their screens.
it's just too much. woman beater pays tribute to alleged child molester.
that's not what you may see but you have to think further than yourself a bit to understand why this decision was made.
which still leads to my point, why even put together a tribute in the first place for this person who ppl watching might have issues with? Were they gonna be fine if it was Usher doing the tribute to an ALLEGED molester because he's never been on trial for anything? It's just not making sense.
Also, what else can a person do when they are acquitted of crimes? You're just gonna be ALLEGED for the stuff you already were cleared of FOREVER? This man has been dead for 13 years and still technically being punished for something that no one can prove to be true. Like come ON
He should've been on trial for that lil boy drowning in his pool.
:nowgorl:
Quote from: Big Barbie on November 22, 2022, 11:09:59 AMhttps://twitter.com/buzzingpop/status/1594886940020686851
It's not like they would've been any different if he performed
Quote from: Kalifornia. on November 22, 2022, 01:28:37 PMQuote from: Big Barbie on November 22, 2022, 11:09:59 AMhttps://twitter.com/buzzingpop/status/1594886940020686851
It's not like they would've been any different if he performed
ddsdssdsddsdsdsds !!!!!
He's not a ratings draw by ANY means
:plzstop:
Quote from: Kalifornia. on November 22, 2022, 01:28:37 PMQuote from: Big Barbie on November 22, 2022, 11:09:59 AMhttps://twitter.com/buzzingpop/status/1594886940020686851
It's not like they would've been any different if he performed
You don't know this.
Quote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on November 22, 2022, 08:36:00 AMBow is such a white lady
"Wow, I remember it very differently... :usureuok:"
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