https://x.com/thatgrapejuice/status/1731020526351536569
And he's right. I can't think of one time.
Oh here we go with this shit
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https://x.com/MsHicks1909/status/1730412897463885924?s=20
https://x.com/gonzomike/status/1730538655914115425?s=20
lenny always gave rocker teas to me.
not "whitewashed", but rocker .
what he's given is not exactly gift wrapped for BET
hate to say this but is he surprised?
Black award shows should have categories for Country and Rock though. No Ands or Ifs about it!
Quote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on December 03, 2023, 11:14:04 AMBlack award shows should have categories for Country and Rock though. No Ands or Ifs about it!
i mean they could also throw in categories for best folk, latin, and electronic dance while we're at it
there are black people making that music for sure.
but the reality is a majority of black folks enjoy R&B/hip-hop and gospel.
this is supported by data ( im not randomly generalizing), and any smart company is gonna follow the data - which leaves Rock in the least listened category at only 7%
https://www.statista.com/statistics/945163/leading-music-genres-african-american/
developing an "include everything!" approach would only take up time that could be used entertaining their core audience's preferences. which could possibly alienate them
Quote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on December 03, 2023, 11:14:04 AMBlack award shows should have categories for Country and Rock though. No Ands or Ifs about it!
I'm all for incorporating all Genres but these two for many reasons>>>>
in other words, if it aint KNOCK, dont knock at my fuckin door :cheerup:
keep everything just the way it is.
Quote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 11:27:08 AMin other words, if it aint KNOCK, dont knock at my fuckin door :cheerup:
keep everything just the way it is.
:plzstop:
:stressed: :gorlonfire:
King always had a bit of soul in his music but his music is predominately rock music.
Soul music is one of the foundations of Rock. That's why I said what I said. Our people could do a better job at recognizing those artist.
Quote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 11:00:57 AMlenny always gave rocker teas to me.
not "whitewashed", but rocker .
what he's given is not exactly gift wrapped for BET
hate to say this but is he surprised?
!!!!!!!!
Like an older Steve Lacy. I understand his frustration but during his peak time, his music just didn't fit BET and their audience. But I feel like today, "black music" has broadened and Black listeners have broadened their musical interests (e.g. Steve Lacy, Kane Brown). There could be an opportunity to embrace Lenny now on BET that wouldn't feel random or forced.
In the words of Junkie Dineva, Lenny is black like this 🖐🏻 and not like this ✋🏿.
He doesn't have a black audience and I've never seen him around black people honestly.
And the gorls are saying his team would deny any black outlet off rip so he should probably look at all the white people he chose to surround himself with first before blaming the shows.
:holdupguys:
Quote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 11:00:57 AMlenny always gave rocker teas to me.
not "whitewashed", but rocker .
what he's given is not exactly gift wrapped for BET
hate to say this but is he surprised?
this the thing
BET is described at being geared towards black CULTURE, which is not just hip hop & r&b
and if just bieber can be nominated for best new artist, a lenny mess SHOULDN'T be an issue. i the network didn't see this opportunity to expand their black audience, even tho the network been kinda tanking for years.
and it's very ignorant for the network to assume that black people aren't into rock, especially when we invented it. and that is very much an assumption. but i guess that's what happened when a bunch of white people are making decisions for us. this includes his publicist too.
but his publicist do have to take some accountability and he has to acknowledge that. but i'm QUITE sure that was not 100% the issue at play
@ivorian oph !!! THAT'S the way I see it too. BET could've been given rock a nice 50th or 75th anniversary tribute with a montage of how it all started too. But they would nominate Adele and have Madonna on 106 & Park.
Quote from: ivorian oph on December 03, 2023, 12:52:13 PMQuote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 11:00:57 AMlenny always gave rocker teas to me.
not "whitewashed", but rocker .
what he's given is not exactly gift wrapped for BET
hate to say this but is he surprised?
this the thing
BET is described at being geared towards black CULTURE, which is not just hip hop & r&b
I kinda touched on this by showing data that black Americans enjoy hip-hop, R&b and gospel more than other genres ... by a long shot
I stress the word data to say this is not my opinion
It is statistical fact that genres like rock are enjoyed by only a small portion of black people . The data suggests that they are not a significant part of african-American culture.
So yes, considering the data, BET is catering to what its audience enjoys most
They are "catering to the culture" .
And honestly these arguments of "we created that genre!" Should go to the networks and shows that largely exclude us from their platforms , so THEY can acknowledge our contributions to the genre and so THEY can begin to include and consider the small number of black artists and listeners who partake in what is now a predominately white genre .
Let's not put everything on the networks that actually include us already
Quote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 01:35:32 PMQuote from: ivorian oph on December 03, 2023, 12:52:13 PMQuote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 11:00:57 AMlenny always gave rocker teas to me.
not "whitewashed", but rocker .
what he's given is not exactly gift wrapped for BET
hate to say this but is he surprised?
this the thing
BET is described at being geared towards black CULTURE, which is not just hip hop & r&b
I kinda touched on this by showing data that black Americans enjoy hip-hop, R&b and gospel more than other genres ... by a long shot
I stress the word data to say this is not my opinion
It is statistical fact that genres like rock are enjoyed by only a small portion of black people . The data suggests that they are not a significant part of african-American culture.
So yes, considering the data, BET is catering to what its audience enjoys most
They are "catering to the culture" .
yea i wasn't talking about data. i was talking about the REALITY. and the reality is, black culture encompasses .ore than just hip hop, r&b, and gospel. and their "catering to the culture" hasn't lead to results. so why NOT tap into other aspects of black culture, while expanding your audience and blazing a bit of a trail in the process
Quote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 01:42:48 PMAnd honestly these arguments of "we created that genre!" Should go to the networks and shows that largely exclude us from their platforms , so THEY can acknowledge our contributions to the genre and so THEY can begin to include and consider the small number of black artists and listeners who partake in what is now a predominately white genre .
Let's not put everything on the networks that actually include us already
this is classic misdirection bby. we're not talking about "them" right now. we're taking about US and OUR platforms.
"they" are a separate discussion.
and the networks that "include us", do not include us in ALL forms. that's the whole point of the topic hun.
almost any alternative type black or the smart type black person gets ignored and made fun of literally on the breakfast club friday charlamenge and envy were throwing shade at him wearing leather pants.
Quote from: ivorian oph on December 03, 2023, 05:43:55 PMQuote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 01:35:32 PMQuote from: ivorian oph on December 03, 2023, 12:52:13 PMQuote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 11:00:57 AMlenny always gave rocker teas to me.
not "whitewashed", but rocker .
what he's given is not exactly gift wrapped for BET
hate to say this but is he surprised?
this the thing
BET is described at being geared towards black CULTURE, which is not just hip hop & r&b
I kinda touched on this by showing data that black Americans enjoy hip-hop, R&b and gospel more than other genres ... by a long shot
I stress the word data to say this is not my opinion
It is statistical fact that genres like rock are enjoyed by only a small portion of black people . The data suggests that they are not a significant part of african-American culture.
So yes, considering the data, BET is catering to what its audience enjoys most
They are "catering to the culture" .
yea i wasn't talking about data. i was talking about the REALITY.
well data speaks to reality.
it reflects reality. as in, when u walk into most african-american households you will hear exactly what the data says.
and it reflects the reality that very few black people are fans of rock music. certainly not enough for a black award show to consider.
does that not make sense?
im done discussing this tbh
im not about to sit and debate about whether country and rock are staples in black culture.
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thats kinda the reason i pull data. to avoid these ridiculous rebuttals.
It makes perfect sense Afro you know homeboy has to be argumentative
Let's be honest...more black people would watch BET if it weren't catering strictly to urban culture and incorporated other facets that aren't mainstream.
The data is derived from what consistently circulates in the market. So there are no variables. If there were increased visibility for black rock, country, and alternative artists, the resulting analytics would exhibit variations. Its current representation stands at 7% due to its lack of promotion and visibility. The investment would be a risk but there can be no accurate assessment to gauge what is a true reflection without that risk.
Quote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 07:05:16 PMQuote from: ivorian oph on December 03, 2023, 05:43:55 PMQuote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 01:35:32 PMQuote from: ivorian oph on December 03, 2023, 12:52:13 PMQuote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 11:00:57 AMlenny always gave rocker teas to me.
not "whitewashed", but rocker .
what he's given is not exactly gift wrapped for BET
hate to say this but is he surprised?
this the thing
BET is described at being geared towards black CULTURE, which is not just hip hop & r&b
I kinda touched on this by showing data that black Americans enjoy hip-hop, R&b and gospel more than other genres ... by a long shot
I stress the word data to say this is not my opinion
It is statistical fact that genres like rock are enjoyed by only a small portion of black people . The data suggests that they are not a significant part of african-American culture.
So yes, considering the data, BET is catering to what its audience enjoys most
They are "catering to the culture" .
yea i wasn't talking about data. i was talking about the REALITY.
well data speaks to reality.
it reflects reality. as in, when u walk into most african-american households you will hear exactly what the data says.
and it reflects the reality that very few black people are fans of rock music. certainly not enough for a black award show to consider.
does that not make sense?
it doesn't reflect the reality that I'M referring to.
and again, that data-based "reality" isnt translating to ratings. so what "reality" does it really reflect.
so again, if your ratings are tanking, that's all the more reason to extend your reach to different pockets of the black audience.
Quote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 07:08:45 PMim done discussing this tbh
im not about to sit and debate about whether country and rock are staples in black culture.
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thats kinda the reason i pull data. to avoid these ridiculous rebuttals.
i never attempted to make that point. so if that's what u were debating, u were kinda missing the point altogether and debating with yourself tbh vcccccc
but ok bby
I mean it was the same with Tina Turner up until her last years. Not sure why
Niggers are so one dimensional and ghetto
King definitely should have been more accepted
Quote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on December 03, 2023, 12:10:23 PMSoul music is one of the foundations of Rock. That's why I said what I said. Our people could do a better job at recognizing those artist.
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Quote from: STUNNA GOD on December 03, 2023, 12:13:35 PMQuote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 11:00:57 AMlenny always gave rocker teas to me.
not "whitewashed", but rocker .
what he's given is not exactly gift wrapped for BET
hate to say this but is he surprised?
!!!!!!!!
Like an older Steve Lacy. I understand his frustration but during his peak time, his music just didn't fit BET and their audience. But I feel like today, "black music" has broadened and Black listeners have broadened their musical interests (e.g. Steve Lacy, Kane Brown). There could be an opportunity to embrace Lenny now on BET that wouldn't feel random or forced.
Agree with this but at the same time, did Lenny do anything to be included at the peak of his career?
Quote from: Jon on December 03, 2023, 07:18:49 PMI mean it was the same with Tina Turner up until her last years. Not sure why
She also hated black people
Well they were the ones poking fun at her abuse so it's somewhat understandable if she did
Quote from: MY HOUSE on December 03, 2023, 11:27:08 AMin other words, if it aint KNOCK, dont knock at my fuckin door :cheerup:
keep everything just the way it is.
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:plzstop:
Quote from: Red Ruby on December 03, 2023, 09:16:25 PMQuote from: Jon on December 03, 2023, 07:18:49 PMI mean it was the same with Tina Turner up until her last years. Not sure why
She also hated black people
she didn't "hate black people" until they started blaming her for getting her ass beat by Ike and said she made "white" music
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GODpryl out here tryna prove me wrong
iono if im jammin cuz i use the chune or cuz kwee just make anything good
https://www.instagram.com/p/C0XLpe5O2sH/?hl=en
https://twitter.com/LennyKravitz/status/1731689691798233447?t=do2qByyrVbAgxl0obIO22w&s=19
Quote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on December 04, 2023, 07:38:37 PMhttps://twitter.com/LennyKravitz/status/1731689691798233447?t=do2qByyrVbAgxl0obIO22w&s=19
SPEAK king
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