https://www.instagram.com/p/C3iDhY2rkrN/?igsh=em9oNjR4NXZndWV2
oh nos
i mean... she got a valid point. but your execution is all wrong baby. you gotta understand, right or wrong, people are going to either tune out or dismiss you as simply hating when you come for bey. for the sake of your message actually growing legs, you shoulda left her name out of it honey bun. but i hope you get what you're seeking tho, honestly.
I felt her passion and I believe her experience is exactly what she said it is. With that said, I can understand why a beyonce level artist would try to get some of the publishing. Beyonce cutting a record is gonna get u alot more money than Joe schmo cutting the record so in order to get that kinda money, that access, etc. U gotta give up some percentage of this song
things were said
points were made.
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Quote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 19, 2024, 09:48:43 AMthings were said
points were made.
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Hshshshs
dsdssdsdsdsdsds
!!!!! She made all valid points but as soon as you mention Bey, you know the argument is going nowhere with these faggots. She's pretty much canceled now.
But hold this bitch accountable, nevertheless.
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I don't agree with them including the AOTY mess in this tho
That's a completely separate issue that has nothing to do with karma (as it was implied) and everything to do with the Grammys being a piece of shit
Otherwise, keep those kitten heels to the flames
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Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 19, 2024, 09:47:16 AMI felt her passion and I believe her experience is exactly what she said it is. With that said, I can understand why a beyonce level artist would try to get some of the publishing. Beyonce cutting a record is gonna get u alot more money than Joe schmo cutting the record so in order to get that kinda money, that access, etc. U gotta give up some percentage of this song
From what she's saying (specifically towards Bey), you don't really get any exposure/credits from writing for Bey so it almost kinda defeats the point. I'm kinda getting the impression that it's like, "Bey entertained your song... that's the PAYOUT." Yea, I'm with sis... that aint it.
I'd gladly take lower pay to work with Bey but you gonna at the VERY least credit me correctly on the damn song. :dead: Cuz then, whats the point?
A lot of songwriters have spoken out ab this problem.
Victoria, Diane, Babyface and may have spoken on this subject.
If one isn't writing they shouldn't get publishing.
Well if you don't want to give them the song, then don't?? It's really that simple.
Don't agree then complain later.
She's also never written for Beyoncé btw.
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Quote from: Nine on February 19, 2024, 10:17:03 AMWell if you don't want to give them the song, then don't?? It's really that simple.
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d
It's not. And she explained why.
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She admits to not working with Bey so I'm lost on the rest.
Damn bey is slaying right now with Texas :feelinmyself:
Quote from: STUNNA GOD on February 19, 2024, 10:20:27 AMQuote from: Nine on February 19, 2024, 10:17:03 AMWell if you don't want to give them the song, then don't?? It's really that simple.
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d
It's not.
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It is actually. Sis is mad and ranting about some mess she agreed to.
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Quote from: BAPHOMET. on February 19, 2024, 10:24:04 AMShe admits to not working with Bey so I'm lost on the rest.
Damn bey is slaying right now with Texas :feelinmyself:
nnnnnn
Damn, yeah.
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I wouldn't be giving up credit to a Tamar or Sevyn though.
A Bey, Usher or Rih. yes.
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Sevyn, where were ya?
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Quote from: STUNNA GOD on February 19, 2024, 10:20:27 AMQuote from: Nine on February 19, 2024, 10:17:03 AMWell if you don't want to give them the song, then don't?? It's really that simple.
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d
It's not. And she explained why.
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Hjxnxjxxjj I need the Beyzebels to be objective for one second
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Skskdkkdkfkfkfkfkd
I'm mad I watched that mess only for her to say she's never even written for Beyoncé
Let me finish my plate
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Quote from: JCJ on February 19, 2024, 10:56:07 AMQuote from: STUNNA GOD on February 19, 2024, 10:20:27 AMQuote from: Nine on February 19, 2024, 10:17:03 AMWell if you don't want to give them the song, then don't?? It's really that simple.
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d
It's not. And she explained why.
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Hjxnxjxxjj I need the Beyzebels to be objective for one second
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SEDDDHDDHEDDHDDDDDDDDDDD
I stopped arguing.
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Quote from: CHOKE on February 19, 2024, 10:59:42 AMSkskdkkdkfkfkfkfkd
I'm mad I watched that mess only for her to say she's never even written for Beyoncé
Let me finish my plate
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I don't understand why that matters. We all know it's true
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Not here for hearsay, if I'm holding her accountable I want facts
You want this piece? Am on a diet
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https://www.instagram.com/p/oj0kbmDXa_/
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Quote from: JCJ on February 19, 2024, 11:02:34 AMQuote from: CHOKE on February 19, 2024, 10:59:42 AMSkskdkkdkfkfkfkfkd
I'm mad I watched that mess only for her to say she's never even written for Beyoncé
Let me finish my plate
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I don't understand why that matters. We all know it's true
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this doesn't sound very objective bby
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Zendaya? For a sec I forgot she even sings lol.
Tbh i've never seen the problem with artists requiring a reasonable percentage of the publishing for the songs they cut.
All of the risks and financial investments into a songs sucxess falls squarely on the artist. It costs millions to promote a single, all of those costs for recording, promotional appearances, radio, video budget etc. All of that gets recouped by the label from the artists cut not the writers/producers. If the song underperforms it's the artist who gets the public lashing for flopping and the risk of being dropped from their label.
Many songs are only big entirely because of the artist that released them. To me its like on that show Shark Tank, if you want a major well connected investor to sink time, funds, resources, and reputation behind your creation you are likely gonna have to come up off percentage of rights and ownership to your product. Usually those are projects that took years of time to invent/develop compared to a song that took a writer 10 min in a McDonalds drive-thru to write and they usually ask for way more than 10% ownership.
An open letter from 3 years ago from top writers.
Hit songwriters pen open letter asking artists to stop demanding writing credits for songs they didn't write
The letter, organized by advocacy group The Pact, claims a "growing number of artists" demand publishing royalties for songs they had not contributed to, with some artists and executives using "bully tactics and threats" to get it. "These artists will go on to collect revenue from touring, merchandise [and] brand partnerships," the letter said. "Songwriters have only their publishing revenue as a means of income."
https://www.thefader.com/2021/03/31/songwriters-pen-open-letter-asking-artists-to-stop-demanding-writing-credits-for-songs-they-didnt-write
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Songwriters can't get a cut of the artists technical masters so they shouldn't get a cut of the publishing when they didn't write.
If there's one artist who shouldn't being getting publishing its Bey imo. She's already made, already rich, and already accomplished she doesn't need it. Let some of these up and comers keep their coins.
wait tho. let's not act like the payout from bey's mess ain't more than likely greater than all her other royalties combined
I understand that but Bey won't miss those lil coins.
Quote from: FadedEnvy on February 19, 2024, 11:19:14 AMTbh i've never seen the problem with artists requiring a reasonable percentage of the publishing for the songs they cut.
All of the risks and financial investments into a songs sucxess falls squarely on the artist. It costs millions to promote a single, all of those costs for recording, promotional appearances, radio, video budget etc. All of that gets recouped by the label from the artists cut not the writers/producers. If the song underperforms it's the artist who gets the public lashing for flopping and the risk of being dropped from their label.
Many songs are only big entirely because of the artist that released them. To me its like on that show Shark Tank, if you want a major well connected investor to sink time, funds, resources, and reputation behind your creation you are likely gonna have to come up off percentage of rights and ownership to your product. Usually those are projects that took years of time to invent/develop compared to a song that took a writer 10 min in a McDonalds drive-thru to write and they usually ask for way more than 10% ownership.
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Quote from: FadedEnvy on February 19, 2024, 11:19:14 AMTbh i've never seen the problem with artists requiring a reasonable percentage of the publishing for the songs they cut.
All of the risks and financial investments into a songs sucxess falls squarely on the artist. It costs millions to promote a single, all of those costs for recording, promotional appearances, radio, video budget etc. All of that gets recouped by the label from the artists cut not the writers/producers. If the song underperforms it's the artist who gets the public lashing for flopping and the risk of being dropped from their label.
Many songs are only big entirely because of the artist that released them. To me its like on that show Shark Tank, if you want a major well connected investor to sink time, funds, resources, and reputation behind your creation you are likely gonna have to come up off percentage of rights and ownership to your product. Usually those are projects that took years of time to invent/develop compared to a song that took a writer 10 min in a McDonalds drive-thru to write and they usually ask for way more than 10% ownership.
i see where your coming from except for the part where you diminished the work that songwriters do. songwriters very often put much time and consideration into the songs that they write. and even if a songwriter did whip something up in 10 minutes, obviously they provided a service that the artist themselves could not/was not unwilling to do themselves. so in any scenario, the writer still deserves what they are asking for. and to your point, if I decide to fund my own production and I enlist the services of a boom mic operator or camera man, etc., the success of the project is still going to rely on MY talent as a producer, but that doesn't mean I get to cut their FEE for services if I am not financially successful in my endeavor nor does it give me a right to cut into a portion of their rightfully-earned profits if it does do well.
Quote from: JCJ on February 19, 2024, 11:02:34 AMQuote from: CHOKE on February 19, 2024, 10:59:42 AMSkskdkkdkfkfkfkfkd
I'm mad I watched that mess only for her to say she's never even written for Beyoncé
Let me finish my plate
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I don't understand why that matters. We all know it's true
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and she mentioned situations where it did happen with beyonce.
Quote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 11:40:15 AMIf there's one artist who shouldn't being getting publishing its Bey imo. She's already made, already rich, and already accomplished she doesn't need it. Let some of these up and comers keep their coins.
U don't get rich and STAY rich by squandering opportunities to get PAID lol
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 19, 2024, 12:52:22 PMQuote from: JCJ on February 19, 2024, 11:02:34 AMQuote from: CHOKE on February 19, 2024, 10:59:42 AMSkskdkkdkfkfkfkfkd
I'm mad I watched that mess only for her to say she's never even written for Beyoncé
Let me finish my plate
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I don't understand why that matters. We all know it's true
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and she mentioned situations where it did happen with beyonce.
that she HEARD secondhand
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 19, 2024, 12:53:53 PMQuote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 11:40:15 AMIf there's one artist who shouldn't being getting publishing its Bey imo. She's already made, already rich, and already accomplished she doesn't need it. Let some of these up and comers keep their coins.
U don't get rich and STAY rich by squandering opportunities to get PAID lol
This is true. But she doesn't have to be greedy about it. She's not hurting and won't be for the rest of her life. She can leave a placement on her next album for an new talent without taking their publishing. I would think she'd be in the 'Pay It Forward ' phase right now anyway.
And I definitely see
@FadedEnvy perspective too.
She can
It's interesting with Bey because specifically on this last album she has like 500 songwriters credited. What more do yall want? Also there are many songwriters like Dream, Raphael Saadi's, Makeba Riddick, Jozzy etc who have spoken highly of Bey and confirmed that she does ADD to the composition of her songs. Lyrics are not the only part of songwriting and composition. Brandy is big on doing vocal arrangements as is Bey. These are a part of a song and it makes the song their own. They deserve credit for that even if it's just "lalala"
Quote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 11:46:55 AMI understand that but Bey won't miss those lil coins.
m
Not about missing out on coins.
It's about having some ownership over everything your voice is on
She'd be a fool not to at this point.
It's a trade off.
A songwriter or composer knows what it's giving when you work w/ Beyoncé at this point in the game
Don't bring your songs to her then
I feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
Quote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 01:08:11 PMQuote from: Vonc2002 on February 19, 2024, 12:52:22 PMQuote from: JCJ on February 19, 2024, 11:02:34 AMQuote from: CHOKE on February 19, 2024, 10:59:42 AMSkskdkkdkfkfkfkfkd
I'm mad I watched that mess only for her to say she's never even written for Beyoncé
Let me finish my plate
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I don't understand why that matters. We all know it's true
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and she mentioned situations where it did happen with beyonce.
that she HEARD secondhand
From people tha people that have written the songs themselves :dead:
And we know that beyonce does this so that Part isn't news :dead:
Seeing a lot of incorrect replies here so I just wanna make it perfectly clear how she's said Bey's name in hopes that she speaks up to make changes for everyone.
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Quote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 01:16:04 PMIt's interesting with Bey because specifically on this last album she has like 500 songwriters credited. What more do yall want? Also there are many songwriters like Dream, Raphael Saadi's, Makeba Riddick, Jozzy etc who have spoken highly of Bey and confirmed that she does ADD to the composition of her songs. Lyrics are not the only part of songwriting and composition. Brandy is big on doing vocal arrangements as is Bey. These are a part of a song and it makes the song their own. They deserve credit for that even if it's just "lalala"
!!!
The elite gorls know!
Even if she wasn't very involved in all her music beyond just singing the lyrics (those of us who know better, KNOW!) she can take your song to heights it might not see otherwise. And you might get a Grammy to your name out of it.
Whine about credit or go submit your mess to Keyshia Cole and see how far it gets nnnnnn
Quote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on February 19, 2024, 01:16:44 PMQuote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 11:46:55 AMI understand that but Bey won't miss those lil coins.
m
Not about missing out on coins.
It's about having some ownership over everything your voice is on
!!!
Quote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 01:16:04 PMIt's interesting with Bey because specifically on this last album she has like 500 songwriters credited. What more do yall want? Also there are many songwriters like Dream, Raphael Saadi's, Makeba Riddick, Jozzy etc who have spoken highly of Bey and confirmed that she does ADD to the composition of her songs. Lyrics are not the only part of songwriting and composition. Brandy is big on doing vocal arrangements as is Bey. These are a part of a song and it makes the song their own. They deserve credit for that even if it's just "lalala"
It's very interesting with her I agree cause I see both sides of it.
But Realistically how can you make a real profit off a song you're splitting with 20 others on one song? They're splitting Pennies at this ooint.
Quote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
Ch
These girls love to STEAL
Notice how Ciara wasn't mentioned.
Queen would never
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Quote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 01:47:35 PMCh
These girls love to STEAL
Notice how Ciara wasn't mentioned.
Queen would never
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Bc anyone she stole from would be too embarrassed to associate/claim her flops
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Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 19, 2024, 01:24:57 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 01:08:11 PMQuote from: Vonc2002 on February 19, 2024, 12:52:22 PMQuote from: JCJ on February 19, 2024, 11:02:34 AMQuote from: CHOKE on February 19, 2024, 10:59:42 AMSkskdkkdkfkfkfkfkd
I'm mad I watched that mess only for her to say she's never even written for Beyoncé
Let me finish my plate
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I don't understand why that matters. We all know it's true
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and she mentioned situations where it did happen with beyonce.
that she HEARD secondhand
From people tha people that have written the songs themselves :dead:
And we know that beyonce does this so that Part isn't news :dead:
that was their side of the story that they told her. We were not in the room and neither was she so it's not like her word is credible on this.
Now she DID work with Sevyn and Tamar. That is what should be focused on
Quote from: Cowgirl on February 19, 2024, 01:51:02 PMQuote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 01:47:35 PMCh
These girls love to STEAL
Notice how Ciara wasn't mentioned.
Queen would never
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Bc anyone she stole from would be too embarrassed to associate/claim her flops
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MDMCMVN UM VMVNVNNCNGNGNGNNSNSNDNNDNFNFNFNF
I MEAN if that helps ya sleep babes
Quote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
!!!!!!
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and have such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
Quote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 01:52:19 PMQuote from: Cowgirl on February 19, 2024, 01:51:02 PMQuote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 01:47:35 PMCh
These girls love to STEAL
Notice how Ciara wasn't mentioned.
Queen would never
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
Bc anyone she stole from would be too embarrassed to associate/claim her flops
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MDMCMVN UM VMVNVNNCNGNGNGNNSNSNDNNDNFNFNFNF
I MEAN if that helps ya sleep babes
I'm cryin
So glad Quee' Ci married well n things cause...
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Quote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
the whole industry is a mess. It's not like all these artists are super rich. Brandy has spoken multiple times about how her tv/film career has been way more lucrative than her music. The rich artists are the 1% that have had longevity and good business sense. There are also some songwriters like Babyface who were able to make millions off songwriting. It shouldn't be a battle between the singers and songwriters because neither are making the rules in the industry. They all need to be going after the streamers together
Also the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists
Quote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya, Rihanna, and others are ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
Quote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
As writers should be more vocal about their publishing and royalties. That's their livelihood if they don't have any other stream of income. I don't blame them for coming forward and sharing their stories.
Quote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on February 19, 2024, 01:57:05 PMQuote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 01:52:19 PMQuote from: Cowgirl on February 19, 2024, 01:51:02 PMQuote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 01:47:35 PMCh
These girls love to STEAL
Notice how Ciara wasn't mentioned.
Queen would never
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
Bc anyone she stole from would be too embarrassed to associate/claim her flops
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MDMCMVN UM VMVNVNNCNGNGNGNNSNSNDNNDNFNFNFNF
I MEAN if that helps ya sleep babes
I'm cryin
So glad Quee' Ci married well n things cause...
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huh?!
Sis is still kinda collecting multi platinum HITS these days on her own label.
But husb!
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
Quote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
Brandy and Mya don't really have the choice in the matter. I just saw an article where the songwriter Kaydence said she only made like $4000 from working on B7. Im sure she only did that work because she loves Bran because if Bran was being funny Kaydence could've clearly taken them songs to an artist that is actually moving units these days.
Beyonce is able to demand what she does because just based on her singing something it's going to make money and there's not many other singers you can work with that would make these ppl more
All these excuses...
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
She has 40 grammys and this is well known in the industry so I doubt ppl care.
Did Beyonce get a publishing credit for the song Diane Warren did for her?
Quote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 02:13:39 PMQuote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on February 19, 2024, 01:57:05 PMQuote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 01:52:19 PMQuote from: Cowgirl on February 19, 2024, 01:51:02 PMQuote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 01:47:35 PMCh
These girls love to STEAL
Notice how Ciara wasn't mentioned.
Queen would never
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
Bc anyone she stole from would be too embarrassed to associate/claim her flops
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
MDMCMVN UM VMVNVNNCNGNGNGNNSNSNDNNDNFNFNFNF
I MEAN if that helps ya sleep babes
I'm cryin
So glad Quee' Ci married well n things cause...
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
huh?!
Sis is still kinda collecting multi platinum HITS these days on her own label.
But husb!
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
mcmcncxncnncnc
That's an interesting take but no baby. Anyone who claims credit for any of her mess is automatically sent to collections to take care of her negative balance for what she owes labels and Russell
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
(https://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/33F5C760-6D4F-4D2D-8FFB-8DB0F386A570-600x745.jpeg)
Quote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:14:17 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
Brandy and Mya don't really have the choice in the matter. I just saw an article where the songwriter Kaydence said she only made like $4000 from working on B7. Im sure she only did that work because she loves Bran because if Bran was being funny Kaydence could've clearly taken them songs to an artist that is actually moving units these days.
Beyonce is able to demand what she does because just based on her singing something it's going to make money and there's not many other singers you can work with that would make these ppl more
I'm sure Brandy eats a lil bit of The Boy Is Mine. She did co-write and co-produced. That's publishing and royalties all the way around.
Quote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:11:24 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
As writers should be more vocal about their publishing and royalties. That's their livelihood if they don't have any other stream of income. I don't blame them for coming forward and sharing their stories.
I think a few years ago they were trying to get a movement together because it has clearly gotten out of hand with the top gorls having to publicly beg to stop being strong armed by non-writing artists.
A song can still slay without artists who didn't write on a song taking publishing.
They are all saying the same thing too which is so simple. Stop taking publishing with no writing.
———-
Sia on Rihanna
"She doesn't take publishing if she doesn't write on it, and I love that about her because a lot of artists were like, 'I want a little bit so that people think...' [...] and Rihanna, she's never asked for something."
Quote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 02:19:19 PMDid Beyonce get a publishing credit for the song Diane Warren did for her?
nope
Quote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:14:17 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
Brandy and Mya don't really have the choice in the matter. I just saw an article where the songwriter Kaydence said she only made like $4000 from working on B7. Im sure she only did that work because she loves Bran because if Bran was being funny Kaydence could've clearly taken them songs to an artist that is actually moving units these days.
Beyonce is able to demand what she does because just based on her singing something it's going to make money and there's not many other singers you can work with that would make these ppl more
Okay, and Brandy still isn't taking anybody's publishing. That is the whole premise of what is being discussed.
Brandy is clearly only getting publishing when she has co-written. She has plenty of songs that she has no writing credit on, so she clearly is not an artist that is into taking publishing for work she didn't write on.
Quote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:37:56 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:14:17 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
Brandy and Mya don't really have the choice in the matter. I just saw an article where the songwriter Kaydence said she only made like $4000 from working on B7. Im sure she only did that work because she loves Bran because if Bran was being funny Kaydence could've clearly taken them songs to an artist that is actually moving units these days.
Beyonce is able to demand what she does because just based on her singing something it's going to make money and there's not many other singers you can work with that would make these ppl more
I'm sure Brandy eats a lil bit of The Boy Is Mine. She did co-write and co-produced. That's publishing and royalties all the way around.
Yeah many are in here mixing what publishing is which is strictly about writing. Masters is not the same as publishing.
Quote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:37:56 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:14:17 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
Brandy and Mya don't really have the choice in the matter. I just saw an article where the songwriter Kaydence said she only made like $4000 from working on B7. Im sure she only did that work because she loves Bran because if Bran was being funny Kaydence could've clearly taken them songs to an artist that is actually moving units these days.
Beyonce is able to demand what she does because just based on her singing something it's going to make money and there's not many other singers you can work with that would make these ppl more
I'm sure Brandy eats a lil bit of The Boy Is Mine. She did co-write and co-produced. That's publishing and royalties all the way around.
A little bit indeed. I'd bet she was making a lot when it first came out when physical copies were out now she has to share the streaming royalties with Freddy, Lashawn's estate, Rodney and Nora Payne or whoever else I forgot also has credit
Quote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:39:01 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:11:24 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
As writers should be more vocal about their publishing and royalties. That's their livelihood if they don't have any other stream of income. I don't blame them for coming forward and sharing their stories.
I think a few years ago they were trying to get a movement together because it has clearly gotten out of hand with the top gorls having to publicly beg to stop being strong armed by non-writing artists.
A song can still slay without artists who didn't write on a song taking publishing.
They are all saying the same thing too which is so simple. Stop taking publishing with no writing.
———-
Sia on Rihanna
"She doesn't take publishing if she doesn't write on it, and I love that about her because a lot of artists were like, 'I want a little bit so that people think...' [...] and Rihanna, she's never asked for something."
Kudos to Rihanna for not requesting or wanting publishing. That's the moral and ethical thing to do.
Quote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:47:07 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:37:56 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:14:17 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
Brandy and Mya don't really have the choice in the matter. I just saw an article where the songwriter Kaydence said she only made like $4000 from working on B7. Im sure she only did that work because she loves Bran because if Bran was being funny Kaydence could've clearly taken them songs to an artist that is actually moving units these days.
Beyonce is able to demand what she does because just based on her singing something it's going to make money and there's not many other singers you can work with that would make these ppl more
I'm sure Brandy eats a lil bit of The Boy Is Mine. She did co-write and co-produced. That's publishing and royalties all the way around.
A little bit indeed. I'd bet she was making a lot when it first came out when physical copies were out now she has to share the streaming royalties with Freddy, Lashawn's estate, Rodney and Nora Payne or whoever else I forgot also has credit
In the beginning I'm sure she was making a lot I can only imagine but yeah streaming is a mothafucka though.
Quote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:41:58 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:14:17 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
Brandy and Mya don't really have the choice in the matter. I just saw an article where the songwriter Kaydence said she only made like $4000 from working on B7. Im sure she only did that work because she loves Bran because if Bran was being funny Kaydence could've clearly taken them songs to an artist that is actually moving units these days.
Beyonce is able to demand what she does because just based on her singing something it's going to make money and there's not many other singers you can work with that would make these ppl more
Okay, and Brandy still isn't taking anybody's publishing. That is the whole premise of what is being discussed.
Brandy is clearly only getting publishing when she has co-written. She has plenty of songs that she has no writing credit on, so she clearly is not an artist that is into taking publishing for work she didn't write on.
whats the point of using her as comparison if she doesn't have the choice?
When she was a big artist in the 90s she didn't need to demand publishing because music was selling and there was much more money in the industry. The internet messed everything up and that's why these artists are currently doing this. The ones that can
Quote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:48:28 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:39:01 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:11:24 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
As writers should be more vocal about their publishing and royalties. That's their livelihood if they don't have any other stream of income. I don't blame them for coming forward and sharing their stories.
I think a few years ago they were trying to get a movement together because it has clearly gotten out of hand with the top gorls having to publicly beg to stop being strong armed by non-writing artists.
A song can still slay without artists who didn't write on a song taking publishing.
They are all saying the same thing too which is so simple. Stop taking publishing with no writing.
———-
Sia on Rihanna
"She doesn't take publishing if she doesn't write on it, and I love that about her because a lot of artists were like, 'I want a little bit so that people think...' [...] and Rihanna, she's never asked for something."
Kudos to Rihanna for not requesting or wanting publishing. That's the moral and ethical thing to do.
Rih has some stories that don't get attention...
Quote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:09 PMAlso the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists
Ray coming w/ facts
All this concern...
...as you blast your favorite mess on Spotify.
The worst paying platform
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
Quote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 02:13:39 PMQuote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on February 19, 2024, 01:57:05 PMQuote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 01:52:19 PMQuote from: Cowgirl on February 19, 2024, 01:51:02 PMQuote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 01:47:35 PMCh
These girls love to STEAL
Notice how Ciara wasn't mentioned.
Queen would never
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
Bc anyone she stole from would be too embarrassed to associate/claim her flops
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
MDMCMVN UM VMVNVNNCNGNGNGNNSNSNDNNDNFNFNFNF
I MEAN if that helps ya sleep babes
I'm cryin
So glad Quee' Ci married well n things cause...
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
huh?!
Sis is still kinda collecting multi platinum HITS these days on her own label.
But husb!
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
Msnsjjdkdjekek
Hey baby. I'm just sayin...there's levels to this
Won't explain further
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
Quote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 02:24:54 PM(https://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/33F5C760-6D4F-4D2D-8FFB-8DB0F386A570-600x745.jpeg)
Gorgeous self
Afro made the mac n cheese? Going to skip that.
Let me get some of those wings though!
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
and let me gun ready to shoot Trey!
Quote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:55:33 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:41:58 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:14:17 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
Brandy and Mya don't really have the choice in the matter. I just saw an article where the songwriter Kaydence said she only made like $4000 from working on B7. Im sure she only did that work because she loves Bran because if Bran was being funny Kaydence could've clearly taken them songs to an artist that is actually moving units these days.
Beyonce is able to demand what she does because just based on her singing something it's going to make money and there's not many other singers you can work with that would make these ppl more
Okay, and Brandy still isn't taking anybody's publishing. That is the whole premise of what is being discussed.
Brandy is clearly only getting publishing when she has co-written. She has plenty of songs that she has no writing credit on, so she clearly is not an artist that is into taking publishing for work she didn't write on.
whats the point of using her as comparison if she doesn't have the choice?
When she was a big artist in the 90s she didn't need to demand publishing because music was selling and there was much more money in the industry. The internet messed everything up and that's why these artists are currently doing this. The ones that can
An artist has a choice to not take publishing so like I stated my girl appears to be on the up and up. Since she clearly isn't taking publishing without writing on a song.
Like this isn't a life or death situation like you are trying to make it lmao.
Quote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:48:28 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:39:01 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:11:24 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
As writers should be more vocal about their publishing and royalties. That's their livelihood if they don't have any other stream of income. I don't blame them for coming forward and sharing their stories.
I think a few years ago they were trying to get a movement together because it has clearly gotten out of hand with the top gorls having to publicly beg to stop being strong armed by non-writing artists.
A song can still slay without artists who didn't write on a song taking publishing.
They are all saying the same thing too which is so simple. Stop taking publishing with no writing.
———-
Sia on Rihanna
"She doesn't take publishing if she doesn't write on it, and I love that about her because a lot of artists were like, 'I want a little bit so that people think...' [...] and Rihanna, she's never asked for something."
Kudos to Rihanna for not requesting or wanting publishing. That's the moral and ethical thing to do.
With her being Rihanna should could really be demanding publishing for songs she didn't write on and the top writers would give in.
But the fact that she doesn't do that is commendable.
It is a few other top song writers who said similar to what Sia said about Rihanna not demanding publishing for songs she didn't write on.
Let the record reflect that nicki wasn't named either
:ATLcameo:
Quote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 19, 2024, 03:08:02 PMLet the record reflect that nicki wasn't named either
:ATLcameo:
NDNDNFNFNGMGMGMGMMGMGMGMGM
And that's one thing I'll give Nicki
She writes her MESS
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
Quote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on February 19, 2024, 02:57:54 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:09 PMAlso the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists
Ray coming w/ facts
All this concern...
...as you blast your favorite mess on Spotify.
The worst paying platform
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
guys! Help! They're taking credit! But streaming freemium on Spotify waiting through commercials and all
Quote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 03:03:15 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:55:33 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:41:58 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:14:17 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
Brandy and Mya don't really have the choice in the matter. I just saw an article where the songwriter Kaydence said she only made like $4000 from working on B7. Im sure she only did that work because she loves Bran because if Bran was being funny Kaydence could've clearly taken them songs to an artist that is actually moving units these days.
Beyonce is able to demand what she does because just based on her singing something it's going to make money and there's not many other singers you can work with that would make these ppl more
Okay, and Brandy still isn't taking anybody's publishing. That is the whole premise of what is being discussed.
Brandy is clearly only getting publishing when she has co-written. She has plenty of songs that she has no writing credit on, so she clearly is not an artist that is into taking publishing for work she didn't write on.
whats the point of using her as comparison if she doesn't have the choice?
When she was a big artist in the 90s she didn't need to demand publishing because music was selling and there was much more money in the industry. The internet messed everything up and that's why these artists are currently doing this. The ones that can
An artist has a choice to not take publishing so like I stated my girl appears to be on the up and up. Since she clearly isn't taking publishing without writing on a song.
Like this isn't a life or death situation like you are trying to make it lmao.
they all have choices whether or not to make these deals. If you're a songwriter and do not want to share publishing don't work with the big artists who demand publishing in these contracts
Go with Brandy and make $4000
Quote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 03:09:59 PMQuote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 19, 2024, 03:08:02 PMLet the record reflect that nicki wasn't named either
:ATLcameo:
NDNDNFNFNGMGMGMGMMGMGMGMGM
And that's one thing I'll give Nicki
She writes her MESS
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
:scrumptious:
Well, the woman says it's not just the top artists doing this. It's become a trend for even lower tier artists...that she says artists like Beyoncé have some power to help change.
And y'all love telling other people what they can do about THEIR careers
Quote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 03:14:07 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 03:03:15 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:55:33 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:41:58 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:14:17 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
Brandy and Mya don't really have the choice in the matter. I just saw an article where the songwriter Kaydence said she only made like $4000 from working on B7. Im sure she only did that work because she loves Bran because if Bran was being funny Kaydence could've clearly taken them songs to an artist that is actually moving units these days.
Beyonce is able to demand what she does because just based on her singing something it's going to make money and there's not many other singers you can work with that would make these ppl more
Okay, and Brandy still isn't taking anybody's publishing. That is the whole premise of what is being discussed.
Brandy is clearly only getting publishing when she has co-written. She has plenty of songs that she has no writing credit on, so she clearly is not an artist that is into taking publishing for work she didn't write on.
whats the point of using her as comparison if she doesn't have the choice?
When she was a big artist in the 90s she didn't need to demand publishing because music was selling and there was much more money in the industry. The internet messed everything up and that's why these artists are currently doing this. The ones that can
An artist has a choice to not take publishing so like I stated my girl appears to be on the up and up. Since she clearly isn't taking publishing without writing on a song.
Like this isn't a life or death situation like you are trying to make it lmao.
they all have choices whether or not to make these deals. If you're a songwriter and do not want to share publishing don't work with the big artists who demand publishing in these contracts
Go with Brandy and make $4000
Okay, and Brandy still appears to be on the up and up and doesn't take unearned publishing :kii: . It is a choice not to take from another artist's work.
Kudos to my girl for that.
Quote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:56:49 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:48:28 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:39:01 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:11:24 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
As writers should be more vocal about their publishing and royalties. That's their livelihood if they don't have any other stream of income. I don't blame them for coming forward and sharing their stories.
I think a few years ago they were trying to get a movement together because it has clearly gotten out of hand with the top gorls having to publicly beg to stop being strong armed by non-writing artists.
A song can still slay without artists who didn't write on a song taking publishing.
They are all saying the same thing too which is so simple. Stop taking publishing with no writing.
———-
Sia on Rihanna
"She doesn't take publishing if she doesn't write on it, and I love that about her because a lot of artists were like, 'I want a little bit so that people think...' [...] and Rihanna, she's never asked for something."
Kudos to Rihanna for not requesting or wanting publishing. That's the moral and ethical thing to do.
Rih has some stories that don't get attention...
I'm sure she do but I haven't heard anything crazy over the top that hadn't been exposed before
Quote from: JCJ on February 19, 2024, 03:20:30 PMWell, the woman says it's not just the top artists doing this. It's become a trend for even lower tier artists...that she says artists like Beyoncé have some power to help change.
which she tried to do with Tidal and nobody supported it. She even made some of her music Tidal exclusive so she was missing out on streams and sales she could have been getting just to get ppl to sign up for the service but everybody wanted to not support the already rich artists even if it also meant not supporting the poor ones who had music on there
:cheerup:
Tidal really was about to be something smh
That rollout was iconic
Quote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 03:25:54 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 03:14:07 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 03:03:15 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:55:33 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:41:58 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:14:17 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
Brandy and Mya don't really have the choice in the matter. I just saw an article where the songwriter Kaydence said she only made like $4000 from working on B7. Im sure she only did that work because she loves Bran because if Bran was being funny Kaydence could've clearly taken them songs to an artist that is actually moving units these days.
Beyonce is able to demand what she does because just based on her singing something it's going to make money and there's not many other singers you can work with that would make these ppl more
Okay, and Brandy still isn't taking anybody's publishing. That is the whole premise of what is being discussed.
Brandy is clearly only getting publishing when she has co-written. She has plenty of songs that she has no writing credit on, so she clearly is not an artist that is into taking publishing for work she didn't write on.
whats the point of using her as comparison if she doesn't have the choice?
When she was a big artist in the 90s she didn't need to demand publishing because music was selling and there was much more money in the industry. The internet messed everything up and that's why these artists are currently doing this. The ones that can
An artist has a choice to not take publishing so like I stated my girl appears to be on the up and up. Since she clearly isn't taking publishing without writing on a song.
Like this isn't a life or death situation like you are trying to make it lmao.
they all have choices whether or not to make these deals. If you're a songwriter and do not want to share publishing don't work with the big artists who demand publishing in these contracts
Go with Brandy and make $4000
Okay, and Brandy still appears to be on the up and up and doesn't take unearned publishing :kii: . It is a choice not to take from another artist's work.
Kudos to my girl for that.
ok but that's not helping these underpaid songwriters. She's choosing to not get embarrassed by trying to demand publishing that she wouldn't get anyway. Congrats?
As far as Brandy's concern she's never been an active writer like that. She's mostly credited as a songwriter on Never Say Never and Full Moon. I'm sure she eats well off those Never Say Never publishing and royalties.
Stuff like this is the difference between music and acting. When the writers went on strike in Hollywood, the actors went on strike too and they all banded together until everyone got adequate pay. They weren't out here blaming the actors they went after the Hollywood execs and studios.
The artists and writers should all be demanding pay from the record labels and streamers but they're too busy beefing with each other and getting nowhere
Quote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 03:41:40 PMAs far as Brandy's concern she's never been an active writer like that. She's mostly credited as a songwriter on Never Say Never and Full Moon. I'm sure she eats well off those Never Say Never publishing and royalties.
Yep like Afro has no co-written contributions from her & her debut co-written contributions is only for I Dedicate interludes I think.
She talked awhile ago how she does it without writing in terms of songs being about her life regardless.
Queen could have been strong arming but she doesn't.
I remember when she was ecstatic talking about how much she wrote of No Tomorrow and the other B7 songs.
She said it is the most writing she has done for an album.
Quote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 03:48:22 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 03:41:40 PMAs far as Brandy's concern she's never been an active writer like that. She's mostly credited as a songwriter on Never Say Never and Full Moon. I'm sure she eats well off those Never Say Never publishing and royalties.
Yep like Afro has no co-written contributions from her & her debut co-written contributions is only for I Dedicate interludes I think.
She talked awhile ago how she does it without writing in terms of songs being about her life regardless.
Queen could have been strong arming but she doesn't.
I remember when she was ecstatic talking about how much she wrote of No Tomorrow and the other B7 songs.
She said it is the most writing she has done for an album.
Yeah she has bare minimal contributions where's writing is concern for most of her albums. B7 was her passion project and first indie release so I get why she's all over it and the album has generated over 100 million streams which can be beneficial.
Brandy has been vocal about writing everything she experiences in a journal during her off season, I'm sure she brings it with her to the studio when it's time to cut a song.
I'm not in that industry so I don't know how they do splits but if a song is birth from my journal and my life experiences I better get a credit because it's my concept.
Quote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 11:46:55 AMI understand that but Bey won't miss those lil coins.
n
you have no idea what her expenses/financial goals are
yea I get both sides honestly. i have a feeling the way to handle situations like this is highly dependent on the context of said situation.
Quote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 04:04:10 PMBrandy has been vocal about writing everything she experiences in a journal during her off season, I'm sure she brings it with her to the studio when it's time to cut a song.
I'm not in that industry so I don't know how they do splits but if a song is birth from my journal and my life experiences I better get a credit because it's my concept.
I remember she said this especially when she talked about Afro back in the day.
Quote from: ivorian oph on February 19, 2024, 04:07:54 PMQuote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 11:46:55 AMI understand that but Bey won't miss those lil coins.
n
you have no idea what her expenses/financial goals are
And I don't care.
Quote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 04:13:36 PMQuote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 04:04:10 PMBrandy has been vocal about writing everything she experiences in a journal during her off season, I'm sure she brings it with her to the studio when it's time to cut a song.
I'm not in that industry so I don't know how they do splits but if a song is birth from my journal and my life experiences I better get a credit because it's my concept.
I remember she said this especially when she talked about Afro back in the day.
And Human too. Sean Garret once said she came up with the "Wildest Dreams" but I guess since she didn't write a lyric so she didn't get credit for it. I'm just happy she's learned to be more active when it comes to writing since then.
Yea sis Beyonce is the last person you want advocating for fair publishing n
Quote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:48:28 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:39:01 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:11:24 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
As writers should be more vocal about their publishing and royalties. That's their livelihood if they don't have any other stream of income. I don't blame them for coming forward and sharing their stories.
I think a few years ago they were trying to get a movement together because it has clearly gotten out of hand with the top gorls having to publicly beg to stop being strong armed by non-writing artists.
A song can still slay without artists who didn't write on a song taking publishing.
They are all saying the same thing too which is so simple. Stop taking publishing with no writing.
———-
Sia on Rihanna
"She doesn't take publishing if she doesn't write on it, and I love that about her because a lot of artists were like, 'I want a little bit so that people think...' [...] and Rihanna, she's never asked for something."
Kudos to Rihanna for not requesting or wanting publishing. That's the moral and ethical thing to do.
I also heard a while back Rihanna pays fashion designers when they create clothes for her and her dancers.. and Bey asked fashion designers to send full collections for her and crew, and when she decided to not use them she wouldn't pay for all the work that was done. It's an honor to work for Bey but I would be pissed as well. That's crazy.
Quote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 04:23:52 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 04:13:36 PMQuote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 04:04:10 PMBrandy has been vocal about writing everything she experiences in a journal during her off season, I'm sure she brings it with her to the studio when it's time to cut a song.
I'm not in that industry so I don't know how they do splits but if a song is birth from my journal and my life experiences I better get a credit because it's my concept.
I remember she said this especially when she talked about Afro back in the day.
And Human too. Sean Garret once said she came up with the "Wildest Dreams" but I guess since she didn't write a lyric she didn't credit for it. I'm just happy she's learned to be more active when it comes to writing since then.
Angel in Disguise too and many more that she came up with content, concept, & other aspects.
Quote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:09 PMAlso the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists
Tried to help? :plzstop: They founded Tidal to earn money. It is just another company.
Quote from: Annie on February 19, 2024, 04:29:27 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:48:28 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:39:01 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 02:11:24 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 02:06:35 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:53:50 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 01:42:19 PMQuote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.
The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.
Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.
I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.
I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.
That is good Mya is ethical.
Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.
It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.
Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.
I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.
She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.
Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.
As writers should be more vocal about their publishing and royalties. That's their livelihood if they don't have any other stream of income. I don't blame them for coming forward and sharing their stories.
I think a few years ago they were trying to get a movement together because it has clearly gotten out of hand with the top gorls having to publicly beg to stop being strong armed by non-writing artists.
A song can still slay without artists who didn't write on a song taking publishing.
They are all saying the same thing too which is so simple. Stop taking publishing with no writing.
———-
Sia on Rihanna
"She doesn't take publishing if she doesn't write on it, and I love that about her because a lot of artists were like, 'I want a little bit so that people think...' [...] and Rihanna, she's never asked for something."
Kudos to Rihanna for not requesting or wanting publishing. That's the moral and ethical thing to do.
and Bey asked fashion designers to send full collections for her and crew, and when she decided to not use them she wouldn't pay for all the work that was done.
:plzstop:
I believe there has to be some agreement. Like if I give Adele this song credit, she has to give me 3/5 other album placements. I'm just not giving shit away especially to someone who is filthy rich!
Quote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 04:31:54 PMQuote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 04:23:52 PMQuote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 04:13:36 PMQuote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 04:04:10 PMBrandy has been vocal about writing everything she experiences in a journal during her off season, I'm sure she brings it with her to the studio when it's time to cut a song.
I'm not in that industry so I don't know how they do splits but if a song is birth from my journal and my life experiences I better get a credit because it's my concept.
I remember she said this especially when she talked about Afro back in the day.
And Human too. Sean Garret once said she came up with the "Wildest Dreams" but I guess since she didn't write a lyric she didn't credit for it. I'm just happy she's learned to be more active when it comes to writing since then.
Angel in Disguise too and many more that she came up with content, concept, & other aspects.
!!!!! One of the best records on the album. She's a talented creator her creativity is endless.
Quote from: Annie on February 19, 2024, 04:32:49 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:09 PMAlso the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists
Tried to help? :plzstop: They founded Tidal to earn money. It is just another company.
It was founded the same way Spotify was founded to earn money. The same way Apple Music was founded to earn money. The same way Pandora was founded to earn money.
Tidal, on the other hand, was founded to make the artist and people responsible for the music way more money than any other service.
Tidal is just basic though. I tried to support it but it doesn't measure up.
Quote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 01:16:04 PMIt's interesting with Bey because specifically on this last album she has like 500 songwriters credited. What more do yall want? Also there are many songwriters like Dream, Raphael Saadi's, Makeba Riddick, Jozzy etc who have spoken highly of Bey and confirmed that she does ADD to the composition of her songs. Lyrics are not the only part of songwriting and composition. Brandy is big on doing vocal arrangements as is Bey. These are a part of a song and it makes the song their own. They deserve credit for that even if it's just "lalala"
!!! she is doing what she needs to to cover herself.
Also beyonce is smart af. Any controversy, she stays mute and it blows over.
Also i was just speaking with someone about this last night. All the supposed times someone has accused her of stealing a song or not giving credit. None of it went to trial or even settled out of court that I can remember right? it just seems to disappear.
Quote from: Cowgirl on February 19, 2024, 04:39:00 PMQuote from: Annie on February 19, 2024, 04:32:49 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:09 PMAlso the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists
Tried to help? :plzstop: They founded Tidal to earn money. It is just another company.
It was founded the same way Spotify was founded to earn money. The same way Apple Music was founded to earn money. The same way Pandora was founded to earn money.
Tidal, on the other hand, was founded to make the artist and people responsible for the music way more money than any other service.
And none of this has to do with her *allegedly* taking 15/25% publishing on a song she didn't write
Ryan Tedder and Ne-Yo have explained before that they feel Bey adding her own harmonies and changing the sound of the original songs counts as co-writing. I wonder if only big artist can get away with it or if they genuinely think Bey's changes are essential for their song..there are also songwriters who really hate that concept
https://www.thedailybeast.com/does-beyonce-write-her-own-music-and-does-it-really-matter
Quote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 19, 2024, 04:46:11 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 01:16:04 PMIt's interesting with Bey because specifically on this last album she has like 500 songwriters credited. What more do yall want? Also there are many songwriters like Dream, Raphael Saadi's, Makeba Riddick, Jozzy etc who have spoken highly of Bey and confirmed that she does ADD to the composition of her songs. Lyrics are not the only part of songwriting and composition. Brandy is big on doing vocal arrangements as is Bey. These are a part of a song and it makes the song their own. They deserve credit for that even if it's just "lalala"
!!! she is doing what she needs to to cover herself.
Also beyonce is smart af. Any controversy, she stays mute and it blows over.
Also i was just speaking with someone about this last night. All the supposed times someone has accused her of stealing a song or not giving credit. None of it went to trial or even settled out of court that I can remember right? it just seems to disappear.
Clock that tea
It's not stealing, they agree to give their publishing away and that wouldn't hold up in a court of law.
Also Bey credits everyone and their mama in her mess (see Kelis and those lalala's).
Her t's are crossed and her i's are dotted.
:butwait!:
Quote from: Cowgirl on February 19, 2024, 04:39:00 PMQuote from: Annie on February 19, 2024, 04:32:49 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:09 PMAlso the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists
Tried to help? :plzstop: They founded Tidal to earn money. It is just another company.
It was founded the same way Spotify was founded to earn money. The same way Apple Music was founded to earn money. The same way Pandora was founded to earn money.
Tidal, on the other hand, was founded to make the artist and people responsible for the music way more money than any other service.
Or instead of making a new company they could try to make streaming laws: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56815282.amp
QuoteThe letter to Boris Johnson was organised by the Musicians' Union, and argued for a change in legislation that would "put the value of music back where it belongs - in the hands of music makers".
Copyright legislation, which came into force almost two decades before the birth of streaming platform Spotify, has "not kept up with the pace of technological change", it argues. As a result, "performers and songwriters do not enjoy the same protections as they do in radio".
For context: When a song is played on the radio, royalties are split evenly between the record label and the artists/songwriters, with a small portion going to session musicians and backing performers.
On streaming services, labels retain the majority of the money - with the artist receiving about 13% on average, and session musicians receiving nothing.
Tuesday's letter claims that "only two words need to change in the 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act... so that today's performers receive a share of revenues, just like they enjoy in radio".
Quote from: Nine on February 19, 2024, 04:54:28 PMQuote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 19, 2024, 04:46:11 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 01:16:04 PMIt's interesting with Bey because specifically on this last album she has like 500 songwriters credited. What more do yall want? Also there are many songwriters like Dream, Raphael Saadi's, Makeba Riddick, Jozzy etc who have spoken highly of Bey and confirmed that she does ADD to the composition of her songs. Lyrics are not the only part of songwriting and composition. Brandy is big on doing vocal arrangements as is Bey. These are a part of a song and it makes the song their own. They deserve credit for that even if it's just "lalala"
!!! she is doing what she needs to to cover herself.
Also beyonce is smart af. Any controversy, she stays mute and it blows over.
Also i was just speaking with someone about this last night. All the supposed times someone has accused her of stealing a song or not giving credit. None of it went to trial or even settled out of court that I can remember right? it just seems to disappear.
Clock that tea
It's not stealing, they agree to give their publishing away and that wouldn't hold up in a court of law.
Who is talking about court or legalities
Quote from: JCJ on February 19, 2024, 05:00:14 PMQuote from: Nine on February 19, 2024, 04:54:28 PMQuote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 19, 2024, 04:46:11 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 01:16:04 PMIt's interesting with Bey because specifically on this last album she has like 500 songwriters credited. What more do yall want? Also there are many songwriters like Dream, Raphael Saadi's, Makeba Riddick, Jozzy etc who have spoken highly of Bey and confirmed that she does ADD to the composition of her songs. Lyrics are not the only part of songwriting and composition. Brandy is big on doing vocal arrangements as is Bey. These are a part of a song and it makes the song their own. They deserve credit for that even if it's just "lalala"
!!! she is doing what she needs to to cover herself.
Also beyonce is smart af. Any controversy, she stays mute and it blows over.
Also i was just speaking with someone about this last night. All the supposed times someone has accused her of stealing a song or not giving credit. None of it went to trial or even settled out of court that I can remember right? it just seems to disappear.
Clock that tea
It's not stealing, they agree to give their publishing away and that wouldn't hold up in a court of law.
Who is talking about court or legalities
Nick did, in the post I quoted.
:unsure:
U ok?
Quote from: Nine on February 19, 2024, 05:06:14 PMQuote from: JCJ on February 19, 2024, 05:00:14 PMQuote from: Nine on February 19, 2024, 04:54:28 PMQuote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 19, 2024, 04:46:11 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 01:16:04 PMIt's interesting with Bey because specifically on this last album she has like 500 songwriters credited. What more do yall want? Also there are many songwriters like Dream, Raphael Saadi's, Makeba Riddick, Jozzy etc who have spoken highly of Bey and confirmed that she does ADD to the composition of her songs. Lyrics are not the only part of songwriting and composition. Brandy is big on doing vocal arrangements as is Bey. These are a part of a song and it makes the song their own. They deserve credit for that even if it's just "lalala"
!!! she is doing what she needs to to cover herself.
Also beyonce is smart af. Any controversy, she stays mute and it blows over.
Also i was just speaking with someone about this last night. All the supposed times someone has accused her of stealing a song or not giving credit. None of it went to trial or even settled out of court that I can remember right? it just seems to disappear.
Clock that tea
It's not stealing, they agree to give their publishing away and that wouldn't hold up in a court of law.
Who is talking about court or legalities
Nick did, in the post I quoted.
:unsure:
U ok?
I rarely read his posts, so 🤷🏾�♂️
Not sure why he even brought that up. The woman in the video doesn't talk about anything being done illegally
Quote from: Nine on February 19, 2024, 04:54:28 PMQuote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 19, 2024, 04:46:11 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 01:16:04 PMIt's interesting with Bey because specifically on this last album she has like 500 songwriters credited. What more do yall want? Also there are many songwriters like Dream, Raphael Saadi's, Makeba Riddick, Jozzy etc who have spoken highly of Bey and confirmed that she does ADD to the composition of her songs. Lyrics are not the only part of songwriting and composition. Brandy is big on doing vocal arrangements as is Bey. These are a part of a song and it makes the song their own. They deserve credit for that even if it's just "lalala"
!!! she is doing what she needs to to cover herself.
Also beyonce is smart af. Any controversy, she stays mute and it blows over.
Also i was just speaking with someone about this last night. All the supposed times someone has accused her of stealing a song or not giving credit. None of it went to trial or even settled out of court that I can remember right? it just seems to disappear.
Clock that tea
It's not stealing, they agree to give their publishing away and that wouldn't hold up in a court of law.
right every lawyer they talked to prolly laughed in their face.
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Quote from: Nine on February 19, 2024, 04:55:39 PMAlso Bey credits everyone and their mama in her mess (see Kelis and those lalala's).
Her t's are crossed and her i's are dotted.
:butwait!:
facts!! and kelis dumb ass still fumed!!!
yeah you CREDITED ME BUT YOU DIDNT ASK MY PERMISSION FOR A SONG I HAVE NO RIGHTS TOO.. gorlll
Quote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 19, 2024, 05:15:23 PMQuote from: Nine on February 19, 2024, 04:55:39 PMAlso Bey credits everyone and their mama in her mess (see Kelis and those lalala's).
Her t's are crossed and her i's are dotted.
:butwait!:
facts!! and kelis dumb ass still fumed!!!
yeah you CREDITED ME BUT YOU DIDNT ASK MY PERMISSION FOR A SONG I HAVE NO RIGHTS TOO.. gorlll
Well it's also about respect, not everything is about the legality..sometimes it's if it's okay morally.
Quote from: Annie on February 19, 2024, 05:19:19 PMQuote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 19, 2024, 05:15:23 PMQuote from: Nine on February 19, 2024, 04:55:39 PMAlso Bey credits everyone and their mama in her mess (see Kelis and those lalala's).
Her t's are crossed and her i's are dotted.
:butwait!:
facts!! and kelis dumb ass still fumed!!!
yeah you CREDITED ME BUT YOU DIDNT ASK MY PERMISSION FOR A SONG I HAVE NO RIGHTS TOO.. gorlll
Well it's also about respect, not everything is about the legality..sometimes it's if it's okay morally.
x
IT KILLS ME THE WAY PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY SIGN UP FOR
AND THEN WANT TO BE PISSED ABOUT IT. GET YOUR CHECK
AND PRESS ON. TF?
Quote from: Say-Something-ReVon on February 19, 2024, 05:27:03 PMIT KILLS ME THE WAY PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY SIGN UP FOR
AND THEN WANT TO BE PISSED ABOUT IT. GET YOUR CHECK
AND PRESS ON. TF?
But they are not getting that CHECK :plzstop:
Quote from: Annie on February 19, 2024, 05:19:19 PMQuote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 19, 2024, 05:15:23 PMQuote from: Nine on February 19, 2024, 04:55:39 PMAlso Bey credits everyone and their mama in her mess (see Kelis and those lalala's).
Her t's are crossed and her i's are dotted.
:butwait!:
facts!! and kelis dumb ass still fumed!!!
yeah you CREDITED ME BUT YOU DIDNT ASK MY PERMISSION FOR A SONG I HAVE NO RIGHTS TOO.. gorlll
Well it's also about respect, not everything is about the legality..sometimes it's if it's okay morally.
well, maybe so. I honestly dont think bey did it with ill intention. like as many times as bey has been accused of this she literally dots i's and crosses t's. if she thought she needed to ask kelis, and say "bitch do ya mind?" i think she would have.
just the way Kelis went off that day was crazy and as a fan made me side her just a bit
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She spoke truth.
Not one lie told.
I support her.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 19, 2024, 09:47:16 AMI felt her passion and I believe her experience is exactly what she said it is. With that said, I can understand why a beyonce level artist would try to get some of the publishing. Beyonce cutting a record is gonna get u alot more money than Joe schmo cutting the record so in order to get that kinda money, that access, etc. U gotta give up some percentage of this song
I agree with this, as well.
I think maybe the intention (of Bey) is not communicated, properly.
Quote from: Rxxf on February 19, 2024, 05:44:46 PMI support her.
!!!!
and not just because i wanna find fresh and new ways to get fas cancelled
but because i wanna find fresh and new ways to get fas cancelled.
Quote from: Summertime on February 19, 2024, 11:39:03 AMAn open letter from 3 years ago from top writers.
Hit songwriters pen open letter asking artists to stop demanding writing credits for songs they didn't write
The letter, organized by advocacy group The Pact, claims a "growing number of artists" demand publishing royalties for songs they had not contributed to, with some artists and executives using "bully tactics and threats" to get it. "These artists will go on to collect revenue from touring, merchandise [and] brand partnerships," the letter said. "Songwriters have only their publishing revenue as a means of income."
https://www.thefader.com/2021/03/31/songwriters-pen-open-letter-asking-artists-to-stop-demanding-writing-credits-for-songs-they-didnt-write
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Songwriters can't get a cut of the artists technical masters so they shouldn't get a cut of the publishing when they didn't write.
THEY ARE THO. IT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT OR DESERVE. TRUE! BUT THEY ARE GETTING A CHECK.
IT WOULD NOT TAKE 10+ OF MY HITS THAT I WROTE TO BE TAKEN FROM ME FOR ME TO
BREAK MY SILENCE. AFTER THE 1ST OR SECOND TIME I WOULD HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
IT TO THE PUBLIC. I AGREE WITH HER BUT AFTER THE FIRST FEW TIMES IT HAPPENED, SHE
KNEW WHAT KIND OF GAME WAS BEING PLAYED. GET BETTER REPRESENTATION AND NEGOTIATORS
FOR YOUR WORK. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. IF YOUR SHIT IS THAT DOPE AND IF A ARTIST REALLY WANTS
IT THEY WILL BUCKLE DOWN AND GIVE WHAT YOU ASK. I DON'T CARE HOW FAMOUS THEY ARE.
PEOPLE JUST BE DYING TO BE ATTACHED TO A HUGE ARTIST FOR INDUSTRY CREDIT AND THEN WHEN
THEY GET FUCKED IT'S "BOOOHOOO"
Edit
Quote from: JCJ on February 19, 2024, 04:50:04 PMQuote from: Cowgirl on February 19, 2024, 04:39:00 PMQuote from: Annie on February 19, 2024, 04:32:49 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:09 PMAlso the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists
Tried to help? :plzstop: They founded Tidal to earn money. It is just another company.
It was founded the same way Spotify was founded to earn money. The same way Apple Music was founded to earn money. The same way Pandora was founded to earn money.
Tidal, on the other hand, was founded to make the artist and people responsible for the music way more money than any other service.
And none of this has to do with her *allegedly* taking 15/25% publishing on a song she didn't write
It has everything to do with that.
Quote from: Annie on February 19, 2024, 04:59:45 PMQuote from: Cowgirl on February 19, 2024, 04:39:00 PMQuote from: Annie on February 19, 2024, 04:32:49 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:09 PMAlso the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists
Tried to help? :plzstop: They founded Tidal to earn money. It is just another company.
It was founded the same way Spotify was founded to earn money. The same way Apple Music was founded to earn money. The same way Pandora was founded to earn money.
Tidal, on the other hand, was founded to make the artist and people responsible for the music way more money than any other service.
Or instead of making a new company they could try to make streaming laws: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-56815282.amp
QuoteThe letter to Boris Johnson was organised by the Musicians' Union, and argued for a change in legislation that would "put the value of music back where it belongs - in the hands of music makers".
Copyright legislation, which came into force almost two decades before the birth of streaming platform Spotify, has "not kept up with the pace of technological change", it argues. As a result, "performers and songwriters do not enjoy the same protections as they do in radio".
For context: When a song is played on the radio, royalties are split evenly between the record label and the artists/songwriters, with a small portion going to session musicians and backing performers.
On streaming services, labels retain the majority of the money - with the artist receiving about 13% on average, and session musicians receiving nothing.
Tuesday's letter claims that "only two words need to change in the 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act... so that today's performers receive a share of revenues, just like they enjoy in radio".
I'm not saying they were saviors but it was a step in the right direction and 100% more than what streaming services were/are doing.
Quote from: Cowgirl on February 19, 2024, 05:54:58 PMQuote from: JCJ on February 19, 2024, 04:50:04 PMQuote from: Cowgirl on February 19, 2024, 04:39:00 PMQuote from: Annie on February 19, 2024, 04:32:49 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:09 PMAlso the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists
Tried to help? :plzstop: They founded Tidal to earn money. It is just another company.
It was founded the same way Spotify was founded to earn money. The same way Apple Music was founded to earn money. The same way Pandora was founded to earn money.
Tidal, on the other hand, was founded to make the artist and people responsible for the music way more money than any other service.
And none of this has to do with her *allegedly* taking 15/25% publishing on a song she didn't write
It has everything to do with that.
It has nothing to do with that
Quote from: JCJ on February 19, 2024, 05:56:49 PMQuote from: Cowgirl on February 19, 2024, 05:54:58 PMQuote from: JCJ on February 19, 2024, 04:50:04 PMQuote from: Cowgirl on February 19, 2024, 04:39:00 PMQuote from: Annie on February 19, 2024, 04:32:49 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:09 PMAlso the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists
Tried to help? :plzstop: They founded Tidal to earn money. It is just another company.
It was founded the same way Spotify was founded to earn money. The same way Apple Music was founded to earn money. The same way Pandora was founded to earn money.
Tidal, on the other hand, was founded to make the artist and people responsible for the music way more money than any other service.
And none of this has to do with her *allegedly* taking 15/25% publishing on a song she didn't write
It has everything to do with that.
It has no..
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king did look a lil parched :woohoo:
:blessed:
I'm sure Beyonce has settled on many of her lawsuits.
Bey is a fucking FRAUD. That's where this thread should've started and ENDED.
LOCK this thread
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Quote from: Say-Something-ReVon on February 19, 2024, 05:50:59 PMTHEY ARE THO. IT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT OR DESERVE. TRUE! BUT THEY ARE GETTING A CHECK.
IT WOULD NOT TAKE 10+ OF MY HITS THAT I WROTE TO BE TAKEN FROM ME FOR ME TO
BREAK MY SILENCE. AFTER THE 1ST OR SECOND TIME I WOULD HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
IT TO THE PUBLIC. I AGREE WITH HER BUT AFTER THE FIRST FEW TIMES IT HAPPENED, SHE
KNEW WHAT KIND OF GAME WAS BEING PLAYED. GET BETTER REPRESENTATION AND NEGOTIATORS
FOR YOUR WORK. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. IF YOUR SHIT IS THAT DOPE AND IF A ARTIST REALLY WANTS
IT THEY WILL BUCKLE DOWN AND GIVE WHAT YOU ASK. I DON'T CARE HOW FAMOUS THEY ARE.
PEOPLE JUST BE DYING TO BE ATTACHED TO A HUGE ARTIST FOR INDUSTRY CREDIT AND THEN WHEN
THEY GET FUCKED IT'S "BOOOHOOO"
preach king.
Quote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 06:15:41 PMI'm sure Beyonce has settled on many of her lawsuits.
why havent we ever heard about them?? we ALWAYS hear someone is filing a lawsuit but never a
Tiffany Red was awarded 1.8 million in a lawsuit against Beyonce and Parkwood Ent.Even settled out of court lawsuits getting news press. Also we are talking about Bey. Everything negative about the queen gets magnified.
law suits are filed then its crickets.
why are y'all talking about lawsuits
Quote from: STUNNA GOD on February 19, 2024, 06:19:41 PMBey is a fucking FRAUD. That's where this thread should've started and ENDED.
LOCK this thread
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Bey needs to upload 'Standing on the Sun' (original version) or else I will start a class action lawsuit.
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speakin of the gorls stealing things...
cow goorr ahh orr
imma ride 'im. :blush:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkusvPeGYik
Quote from: STUNNA GOD on February 19, 2024, 06:19:41 PMBey is a fucking FRAUD. That's where this thread should've started and ENDED.
LOCK this thread
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only thing being locked is how your man wants me over you
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Quote from: Annie on February 19, 2024, 04:32:49 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:09 PMAlso the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists
Tried to help? :plzstop: They founded Tidal to earn money. It is just another company.
ALL artists that put their work on Tidal get paid more per stream than all the other platforms so yea
Tried to help
Quote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 08:20:05 PMQuote from: Annie on February 19, 2024, 04:32:49 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:09 PMAlso the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists
Tried to help? :plzstop: They founded Tidal to earn money. It is just another company.
ALL artists that put their work on Tidal get paid more per stream than all the other platforms so yea
Tried to help
!!
well of course they founded tidal to make money but in the process they are also making your fav artist more money as well,
beyonce cares about all artists :)
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Quote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 19, 2024, 07:04:43 PMQuote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 06:15:41 PMI'm sure Beyonce has settled on many of her lawsuits.
why havent we ever heard about them?? we ALWAYS hear someone is filing a lawsuit but never a Tiffany Red was awarded 1.8 million in a lawsuit against Beyonce and Parkwood Ent.
Even settled out of court lawsuits getting news press. Also we are talking about Bey. Everything negative about the queen gets magnified.
law suits are filed then its crickets.
I don't know maybe the signed something lol. I just think because it's not talked doesn't mean they didn't settle.
https://x.com/KeriHilson/status/1759393003808932220
Smh.
:plzstop: :kii: :dead:
SHE IS SO QUICK TO RESPOND TO NONSENSE.
keri has never come across as someone who'd be on some sneaky mess
if anything i can see her actually rooting for and supporting the underdogs
but yeah her responding to this nutjob with 230 followers , whose post got 10 likes
sfsfsffs must not be a lot of people @ing her today.
but i can see why shes nipping it in the bud. someone questioning your integrity is enough to rub anyone the wrong way
Quote from: Say-Something-ReVon on February 19, 2024, 09:25:36 PM:plzstop: :kii: :dead:
SHE IS SO QUICK TO RESPOND TO NONSENSE.
ALWAYS!
Quote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 09:17:09 PMQuote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 19, 2024, 07:04:43 PMQuote from: DemetriusRocka 🤴🏾 on February 19, 2024, 06:15:41 PMI'm sure Beyonce has settled on many of her lawsuits.
why havent we ever heard about them?? we ALWAYS hear someone is filing a lawsuit but never a Tiffany Red was awarded 1.8 million in a lawsuit against Beyonce and Parkwood Ent.
Even settled out of court lawsuits getting news press. Also we are talking about Bey. Everything negative about the queen gets magnified.
law suits are filed then its crickets.
I don't know maybe the signed something lol. I just think because it's not talked doesn't mean they didn't settle.
I don't understand how yall don't understand why a brand the size of Beyoncé's would want her name on everything
Imagine a major brand like Apple using a song her voice is on for a Super Bowl commercial and she can't keep them from using the song because she has no rights to it.
That and y'all only bring in morality when it's her and it takes me OWT every time
:plzstop:
Quote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 19, 2024, 08:44:30 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 08:20:05 PMQuote from: Annie on February 19, 2024, 04:32:49 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:09 PMAlso the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists
Tried to help? :plzstop: They founded Tidal to earn money. It is just another company.
ALL artists that put their work on Tidal get paid more per stream than all the other platforms so yea
Tried to help
!!
well of course they founded tidal to make money but in the process they are also making your fav artist more money as well,
beyonce cares about all artists :)
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This is terrible. They need to update this yearly or something
Dndnnfnfn can y'all get back on topic
https://x.com/nice_two/status/1759647597747151352
https://x.com/vand3r3k/status/1759648460830081469
https://x.com/svedey_/status/1759664119639118095
And it's THEIR voice
:disgusted:
Quote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 03:09:59 PMQuote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 19, 2024, 03:08:02 PMLet the record reflect that nicki wasn't named either
:ATLcameo:
NDNDNFNFNGMGMGMGMMGMGMGMGM
And that's one thing I'll give Nicki
She writes her MESS
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She's been rumored to have ghost writers like the other girls.
Beyoncé can be a phenomenal singer/performer and at the same time have shady business practices. She learned from the best, her dad.
She's a brand. Of course she has an interest in the highest profit possible. Nothing wrong with acknowledging that.
That being said, if you plop your name on songs you didn't write, of course some people will speak up. Don't like that? Do what's right ethically.
Andjdjdjdjkrjrkrkrkrkrrkr
But yeah
I was kinda shocked, not her admitting to only using her name for clout because she knew it would get her the most views
And the girls still falling for it
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If she was really wronged or if anything illegal had happened she would have taken them all to court but no, she smiled and took that check
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Quote from: Kalifornia. on February 20, 2024, 01:41:12 AMQuote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 03:09:59 PMQuote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 19, 2024, 03:08:02 PMLet the record reflect that nicki wasn't named either
:ATLcameo:
NDNDNFNFNGMGMGMGMMGMGMGMGM
And that's one thing I'll give Nicki
She writes her MESS
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
She's been rumored to have ghost writers like the other girls.
and skittles have been rumored to fall from the sky occasionally
Facts receipts n research or nothin at all ladies
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Beyonce never written a song in her life!
Quote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on February 20, 2024, 12:29:42 AMhttps://x.com/vand3r3k/status/1759648460830081469
She explained why she doesn't want to work for Beyoncé. She explained there are people who can't speak up about Beyoncé, that's why she is speaking up for them to ask for change. It's about the industry and people not earning enough money to pay their rent. If people are struggling why not speak up about it? And ask for change.. she's definitely not the first one who commented on this.
So people are allowed to talk about any other artist to make a valid point - just not one of the biggest richest artists out there, Bey- about not getting paid enough money for writing songs :plzstop:
Quote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 19, 2024, 03:08:02 PMLet the record reflect that nicki wasn't named either
:ATLcameo:
:howfestive:
Quote from: Annie on February 20, 2024, 06:14:31 AMQuote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on February 20, 2024, 12:29:42 AMhttps://x.com/vand3r3k/status/1759648460830081469
She explained why she doesn't want to work for Beyoncé. She explained there are people who can't speak up about Beyoncé, that's why she is speaking up for them to ask for change. It's about the industry and people not earning enough money to pay their rent. If people are struggling why not speak up about it? And ask for change.. she's definitely not the first one who commented on this.
They didn't watch the videos and/or trying to deflect from the point
Quote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 20, 2024, 01:54:46 AMQuote from: Kalifornia. on February 20, 2024, 01:41:12 AMQuote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 03:09:59 PMQuote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 19, 2024, 03:08:02 PMLet the record reflect that nicki wasn't named either
:ATLcameo:
NDNDNFNFNGMGMGMGMMGMGMGMGM
And that's one thing I'll give Nicki
She writes her MESS
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She's been rumored to have ghost writers like the other girls.
and skittles have been rumored to fall from the sky occasionally
Facts receipts n research or nothin at all ladies
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Does Nicki present facts when she says it about the other girls?
Like...
Quote from: Annie on February 20, 2024, 06:14:31 AMQuote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on February 20, 2024, 12:29:42 AMhttps://x.com/vand3r3k/status/1759648460830081469
She explained why she doesn't want to work for Beyoncé. She explained there are people who can't speak up about Beyoncé, that's why she is speaking up for them to ask for change. It's about the industry and people not earning enough money to pay their rent. If people are struggling why not speak up about it? And ask for change.. she's definitely not the first one who commented on this.
!!!! What is difficult to understand?
:dead:
I just watched the clip and there's nothing wrong with what she said. Kinda disappointed to hear that Just Being Honest wasn't written by Sevyn as that's one of my fave songs from her.
Quote from: Kalifornia. on February 20, 2024, 11:33:31 AMQuote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 20, 2024, 01:54:46 AMQuote from: Kalifornia. on February 20, 2024, 01:41:12 AMQuote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 03:09:59 PMQuote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 19, 2024, 03:08:02 PMLet the record reflect that nicki wasn't named either
:ATLcameo:
NDNDNFNFNGMGMGMGMMGMGMGMGM
And that's one thing I'll give Nicki
She writes her MESS
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
She's been rumored to have ghost writers like the other girls.
and skittles have been rumored to fall from the sky occasionally
Facts receipts n research or nothin at all ladies
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Does Nicki -
lets stay on task here.
Don't wander off boo
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Quote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 20, 2024, 12:12:27 PMQuote from: Kalifornia. on February 20, 2024, 11:33:31 AMQuote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 20, 2024, 01:54:46 AMQuote from: Kalifornia. on February 20, 2024, 01:41:12 AMQuote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on February 19, 2024, 03:09:59 PMQuote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 19, 2024, 03:08:02 PMLet the record reflect that nicki wasn't named either
:ATLcameo:
NDNDNFNFNGMGMGMGMMGMGMGMGM
And that's one thing I'll give Nicki
She writes her MESS
(https://i.ibb.co/SNyb0cj/ezgif-4-ef1050dde4.gif)
She's been rumored to have ghost writers like the other girls.
and skittles have been rumored to fall from the sky occasionally
Facts receipts n research or nothin at all ladies
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Does Nicki -
lets stay on task here.
Don't wander off boo
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sddddjdjdjdjdjfjfjdddff
The gorls trying to talk about 20 year old MESS about Porsha and anything to deflect from addressing this. HOLD this white bitch accountable.
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Cvvvv. F f f f. F
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vvcccxxxxx wait the bitch ain't even WRITTEN for bey??
:omf:
girl good fucking bye. you just wrecked your whole entire point. TERRIBLE tactic :dead:
Quote from: ivorian oph on February 20, 2024, 01:48:40 PMvvcccxxxxx wait the bitch ain't even WRITTEN for bey??
:omf:
girl good fucking bye. you just wrecked your whole entire point. TERRIBLE tactic :dead:
!!!
Just stupid
And no we didn't watch in full. And glad I didn't. :dead:
Y'all come get some of this potato salad
As the lashings continue
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Quote from: ivorian oph on February 20, 2024, 01:48:40 PMvvcccxxxxx wait the bitch ain't even WRITTEN for bey??
:omf:
girl good fucking bye. you just wrecked your whole entire point. TERRIBLE tactic :dead:
What was her point
Quote from: JCJ on February 20, 2024, 02:23:18 PMQuote from: ivorian oph on February 20, 2024, 01:48:40 PMvvcccxxxxx wait the bitch ain't even WRITTEN for bey??
:omf:
girl good fucking bye. you just wrecked your whole entire point. TERRIBLE tactic :dead:
What was her point
that artists shouldn't get songwriting credits on songs they never wrote on
the thing is..
She didnt have a point after adding some shit (beyonce) into an equation that wasn't going to happen anyway.
I wouldn't wanna write beyonce *looks at the list of songs she's had a hand in* Thank fucking god
Keep writing middle of the road songs for flops
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She spoke up for some of her colleagues who did write for Beyoncé but are under NDAs.
Quote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on February 20, 2024, 07:27:44 PMShe spoke up for some of her colleagues who did write for Beyoncé but are under NDAs.
she said something that anyone can just makeup with no evidence.
If we don't know who the colleagues are, what the songs were, what the agreements were or anything. We're supposed to believe it's true because it's Bey and there's been other rumors about it lol
Well when the same rumours have been following someone for years, and then someone from that industry confirms it, I'm inclined to believe it's true.
:nogrammynoneck:
Quote from: RAY7 on February 20, 2024, 07:39:29 PMQuote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on February 20, 2024, 07:27:44 PMShe spoke up for some of her colleagues who did write for Beyoncé but are under NDAs.
she said something that anyone can just makeup with no evidence.
If we don't know who the colleagues are, what the songs were, what the agreements were or anything. We're supposed to believe it's true because it's Bey and there's been other rumors about it lol
yea.
So Pippy Flopstocking big ass didn't work with Bey and had no reason to bring her up huh?
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Quote from: Gilgamesh. on February 20, 2024, 08:14:12 PMWell when the same rumours have been following someone for years, and then someone from that industry confirms it, I'm inclined to believe it's true.
none have been proven true by any metric. But what has been proven true?
the laundry list of people that get credited in each of beys songs, people that have worked with Beyonce coming out and saying what she does during the recording process and not just slapping her name on the tea.
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pardon me please but
can someone capitalize the word "slams" in the title of this thread?
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People cant say Beyonce doesnt give credits then also make jokes about how many writers, producers etc are on her songs..
https://twitter.com/Niell_Standard/status/1760092165743747135
Quote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 20, 2024, 08:39:00 PMpardon me please but
can someone capitalize the word "slams" in the title of this thread?
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im about slam a stick into J-Pinata in the "This is me Now" thread
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Can y'all just admit that y'all were going to dismiss any criticism regardless instead of coming up with these flimsy arguments that have little to do with what was discussed in the video (that you all didn't even bother to watch)?
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Quote from: BAPHOMET. on February 20, 2024, 08:40:32 PMQuote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 20, 2024, 08:39:00 PMpardon me please but
can someone capitalize the word "slams" in the title of this thread?
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im about slam a stick into J-Pinata in the "This is me Now" thread
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stick a fork into gloria. shes been done toots
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Quote from: BAPHOMET. on February 20, 2024, 08:39:16 PMPeople cant say Beyonce doesnt give credits then also make jokes about how many writers, producers etc are on her songs..
https://twitter.com/Niell_Standard/status/1760092165743747135
Love this tea, from someone who actually worked with her
Multiple writers, producers have said she contributes to her lyrics and music, but they won't talk about that
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Not Gloria adjnad;jkndlkas;mlasda
Quee' is somewhere doing the conga
Quote from: Nine on February 20, 2024, 08:54:46 PMNot Gloria adjnad;jkndlkas;mlasda
Quee' is somewhere doing the conga
;,lmkijnubhgvyfctuy
and sprinkling adobo on her apple sauce
Quote from: 中国情 (China Love) on February 20, 2024, 09:01:43 PMQuote from: Nine on February 20, 2024, 08:54:46 PMNot Gloria adjnad;jkndlkas;mlasda
Quee' is somewhere doing the conga
;,lmkijnubhgvyfctuy
and sprinkling adobo on her apple sauce
asfdafdskfdfds
ARRIBA!
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Quote from: RAY7 on February 20, 2024, 07:39:29 PMQuote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on February 20, 2024, 07:27:44 PMShe spoke up for some of her colleagues who did write for Beyoncé but are under NDAs.
she said something that anyone can just makeup with no evidence.
If we don't know who the colleagues are, what the songs were, what the agreements were or anything. We're supposed to believe it's true because it's Bey and there's been other rumors about it lol
But she's not anyone. She's literally in the industry. :dead:
Ray, is this another "maybe the cum flew in her panties" scenario? :hmph:
Her being in the "industry" means jack shit when the same people from "the industry" have gone on record every time saying the complete opposite.
These are from people that actually work with beyonce and not people who haven't. Like this girl :traciandchelle:
also..
https://twitter.com/Niell_Standard/status/1760080344898773186
:scrumptious:
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on February 20, 2024, 08:14:12 PMWell when the same rumours have been following someone for years, and then someone from that industry confirms it, I'm inclined to believe it's true.
What dealing in facts receipts n research looks like :
"Do ur homework "
https://x.com/beyhivehd/status/1410651365001543683
Quote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on February 20, 2024, 10:40:24 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 20, 2024, 07:39:29 PMQuote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on February 20, 2024, 07:27:44 PMShe spoke up for some of her colleagues who did write for Beyoncé but are under NDAs.
she said something that anyone can just makeup with no evidence.
If we don't know who the colleagues are, what the songs were, what the agreements were or anything. We're supposed to believe it's true because it's Bey and there's been other rumors about it lol
But she's not anyone.
in this instance she is anyone because she's never been in a writing session WITH Beyonce. So she can not confirm with 100% certainty that what she was told is true
Also she might wanna stop talking so much because she might get someone in trouble for violating the terms of their NDA with Bey
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on February 20, 2024, 08:14:12 PMWell when the same rumours have been following someone for years, and then someone from that industry confirms it, I'm inclined to believe it's true.
Exactly and people like Ne-Yo and Ryan Tedder even confirmed that she got a co-wrote credit not for lyrics, but for changing the sound. That's exactly what this is about.
Quote from: RAY7 on February 21, 2024, 02:22:25 AMQuote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on February 20, 2024, 10:40:24 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 20, 2024, 07:39:29 PMQuote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on February 20, 2024, 07:27:44 PMShe spoke up for some of her colleagues who did write for Beyoncé but are under NDAs.
she said something that anyone can just makeup with no evidence.
If we don't know who the colleagues are, what the songs were, what the agreements were or anything. We're supposed to believe it's true because it's Bey and there's been other rumors about it lol
But she's not anyone.
in this instance she is anyone because she's never been in a writing session WITH Beyonce. So she can not confirm with 100% certainty that what she was told is true
Also she might wanna stop talking so much because she might get someone in trouble for violating the terms of their NDA with Bey
Your comments only confirm how difficult it is to speak out about Bey. Threats and NDA's silence people. And when someone has criticism and asks Beyoncé to be a leader and make a change for people who can't pay bills..they will get comments like 'oh you will never work in the industry again', 'be careful you are going to get sued'
This is why she spoke up for other people who are not able to, it's the power imbalance.. nothing will change, people will just suffer in silence and gossip behind Bey's back about her being on tour making millions while they don't have the money to live
Quote from: Annie on February 21, 2024, 06:04:06 AMQuote from: RAY7 on February 21, 2024, 02:22:25 AMQuote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on February 20, 2024, 10:40:24 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 20, 2024, 07:39:29 PMQuote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on February 20, 2024, 07:27:44 PMShe spoke up for some of her colleagues who did write for Beyoncé but are under NDAs.
she said something that anyone can just makeup with no evidence.
If we don't know who the colleagues are, what the songs were, what the agreements were or anything. We're supposed to believe it's true because it's Bey and there's been other rumors about it lol
But she's not anyone.
in this instance she is anyone because she's never been in a writing session WITH Beyonce. So she can not confirm with 100% certainty that what she was told is true
Also she might wanna stop talking so much because she might get someone in trouble for violating the terms of their NDA with Bey
Your comments only confirm how difficult it is to speak out about Bey. Threats and NDA's silence people. And when someone has criticism and asks Beyoncé to be a leader and make a change for people who can't pay bills..they will get comments like 'oh you will never work in the industry again', 'be careful you are going to get sued'
This is why she spoke up for other people who are not able to, it's the power imbalance.. nothing will change, people will just suffer in silence and gossip behind Bey's back about her being on tour making millions while they don't have the money to live
you're framing this like she's killing ppl or doing something illegal which she is not. This is the music BUSINESS, and these ppl are in BUSINESS with Bey. If you don't want to be in business with her you have a CHOICE. It's 2024 and there have been rumors about her for over a decade at LEAST, yet ppl keep willingly signing contracts and working with her so spare us the sob story BS.
Quote from: Annie on February 21, 2024, 05:59:27 AMQuote from: Gilgamesh. on February 20, 2024, 08:14:12 PMWell when the same rumours have been following someone for years, and then someone from that industry confirms it, I'm inclined to believe it's true.
Exactly and people like Ne-Yo and Ryan Tedder even confirmed that she got a co-wrote credit not for lyrics, but for changing the sound. That's exactly what this is about.
NE-YO and Ryan are rich and made money from writing huge hits WITH Beyonce, Tiffany did not work with her and is broke. This is the exact opposite of what the thread is about
Lyrics are not the only thing that adds to the structure of a song, therefore if Bey added melodies and harmonies to Halo or Irreplaceable then she did co-write those songs and deserved her credit
If you just wanna hear lyrics then go watch live poetry.
Quote from: RAY7 on February 21, 2024, 08:19:29 AMQuote from: Annie on February 21, 2024, 05:59:27 AMQuote from: Gilgamesh. on February 20, 2024, 08:14:12 PMWell when the same rumours have been following someone for years, and then someone from that industry confirms it, I'm inclined to believe it's true.
Exactly and people like Ne-Yo and Ryan Tedder even confirmed that she got a co-wrote credit not for lyrics, but for changing the sound. That's exactly what this is about.
NE-YO and Ryan are rich and made money from writing huge hits WITH Beyonce, Tiffany did not work with her and is broke. This is the exact opposite of what the thread is about
Lyrics are not the only thing that adds to the structure of a song, therefore if Bey added melodies and harmonies to Halo or Irreplaceable then she did co-write those songs and deserved her credit
If you just wanna hear lyrics then go watch live poetry.
:scrumptious:
Quote from: Annie on February 21, 2024, 06:04:06 AMQuote from: RAY7 on February 21, 2024, 02:22:25 AMQuote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on February 20, 2024, 10:40:24 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 20, 2024, 07:39:29 PMQuote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on February 20, 2024, 07:27:44 PMShe spoke up for some of her colleagues who did write for Beyoncé but are under NDAs.
she said something that anyone can just makeup with no evidence.
If we don't know who the colleagues are, what the songs were, what the agreements were or anything. We're supposed to believe it's true because it's Bey and there's been other rumors about it lol
But she's not anyone.
in this instance she is anyone because she's never been in a writing session WITH Beyonce. So she can not confirm with 100% certainty that what she was told is true
Also she might wanna stop talking so much because she might get someone in trouble for violating the terms of their NDA with Bey
Your comments only confirm how difficult it is to speak out about Bey. Threats and NDA's silence people. And when someone has criticism and asks Beyoncé to be a leader and make a change for people who can't pay bills..they will get comments like 'oh you will never work in the industry again', 'be careful you are going to get sued'
This is why she spoke up for other people who are not able to, it's the power imbalance.. nothing will change, people will just suffer in silence and gossip behind Bey's back about her being on tour making millions while they don't have the money to live
You might as well stop debating people who are incapable of objectivity and aren't even arguing the points in the video (because they're too deep in their stan feelings to watch)
Good idea for everyone to just stop since...
1. this shit disingenuous asf since there is no proof of Bey doing anything legally wrong, never worked with this girl, and the girl in question has written no songs that were hits and saying she made artists "millions"
2. no transparency I mean.. shit. It ain't nothing new yall and others been pissed at bey for the longest and seeing her blaze with this new era has some people salty so they are latching onto this BS
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Quote from: JCJ on February 21, 2024, 08:56:09 AMQuote from: Annie on February 21, 2024, 06:04:06 AMQuote from: RAY7 on February 21, 2024, 02:22:25 AMQuote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on February 20, 2024, 10:40:24 PMQuote from: RAY7 on February 20, 2024, 07:39:29 PMQuote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on February 20, 2024, 07:27:44 PMShe spoke up for some of her colleagues who did write for Beyoncé but are under NDAs.
she said something that anyone can just makeup with no evidence.
If we don't know who the colleagues are, what the songs were, what the agreements were or anything. We're supposed to believe it's true because it's Bey and there's been other rumors about it lol
But she's not anyone.
in this instance she is anyone because she's never been in a writing session WITH Beyonce. So she can not confirm with 100% certainty that what she was told is true
Also she might wanna stop talking so much because she might get someone in trouble for violating the terms of their NDA with Bey
Your comments only confirm how difficult it is to speak out about Bey. Threats and NDA's silence people. And when someone has criticism and asks Beyoncé to be a leader and make a change for people who can't pay bills..they will get comments like 'oh you will never work in the industry again', 'be careful you are going to get sued'
This is why she spoke up for other people who are not able to, it's the power imbalance.. nothing will change, people will just suffer in silence and gossip behind Bey's back about her being on tour making millions while they don't have the money to live
You might as well stop debating people who are incapable of objectivity and aren't even arguing the points in the video (because they're too deep in their stan feelings to watch)
boy stop you are not being objective. Yall pull this Stan shit as if being a hater is being unbiased.
Guarantee if Tiffany said Janet was stealing credit although she had no proof of it and never worked with her yall would not be all gung ho to believe it.
If we're going to talk about the ACTUAL points she made then take Bey out and talk about Zendaya, Tamar and Sevyn demanding publishing for flop songs that they're not even making money on
Quote from: BAPHOMET. on February 21, 2024, 09:37:59 AMGood idea for everyone to just stop since...
1. this shit disingenuous asf since there is no proof of Bey doing anything legally wrong, never worked with this girl, and the girl in question has written no songs that were hits and saying she made artists "millions"
2. no transparency I mean.. shit. It ain't nothing new yall and others been pissed at bey for the longest and seeing her blaze with this new era has some people salty so they are latching onto this BS
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exactly. Now let Rodney come out and say Bran ain't deserve shit for TBIM and let's see what these corny ass niggas say
Quote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on February 21, 2024, 12:33:38 AMQuote from: Gilgamesh. on February 20, 2024, 08:14:12 PMWell when the same rumours have been following someone for years, and then someone from that industry confirms it, I'm inclined to believe it's true.
Damn y'all alright in here?
When is the last time afro offered snacks?