im watching this documentary and there's a guy at the 9:53 minute mark
telling his story about how at 13 he killed two people
(forced himself into someone's home with a friend after they refused his offer to cut their grass)
he was sentenced to 170 years, and is up for parole after serving 100
basically, he aint never getting out
for some reason his story breaks my heart
i just dont think a 13 year old fully understands how their decisions will impact their life
and is less likely to think things through before acting on impulse.
punishment was necessary obviously but his story just didn't sit right with me
not only did they try him as an adult, they clearly had no mercy on the child during sentencing
he was 15 at the time of sentencing but this was still for a crime committed at 13. and 15 is barely a difference in itself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w45aJDabPM0
I mean he killed two people. I think its fair to have him locked up for life.
How did he kill them?
Quote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on October 05, 2024, 07:29:05 PMHow did he kill them?
they didnt go into detail but it was a robbery attempt that escalated
thankfully other people are bringing attention to his story
https://medium.com/@juliafay/a-man-sentenced-to-170-years-in-prison-at-13-is-fighting-for-his-freedom-a69e5409eac8
QuoteMeanwhile, Sanford has served over 30 years in prison and is considered eligible for parole at the age of 100. This is not an argument against accountability. Ronald Sanford's story is a reminder that excessive punishment and inequity within our legal and criminal justice systems is inhumane with little, if any, impact on our country's crime rates or the safety of our communities.
he seems well adjusted and calm to me. looks and staged behavior can be deceiving
but thats the feeling i'm getting.
in his case , i think he's served enough time and after a very thorough psychiatric evaluation and look into his prison record (any offenses while in prison, etc...cuz within 30 years of serving time it would def be hard to HIDE any remaining aggression and stay out of trouble if it's still in you)...
but if that all checks out i'd personally recommend him being freed and sent to a halfway house for further observation, and eventually let back into the public.
his accomplice took a plea deal, testified against Ron and ended up only getting a few years in jail.
so they basically DUMPED all the punishment for both of them onto Ron so they could say ultimate justice was served.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYUBJq-4pz0
Quote from: Purple Moon on October 05, 2024, 07:25:13 PMI mean he killed two people. I think its fair to have him locked up for life.
yea. 13 years old is PLENTY old enough to know right from wrong and understand the consequences of robbery AND murder. his age is in no way an excuse by even the slightest imagination in this particular case. these innocent ppl literally had to pay with their life because they didnt want to pay him THEIR hard earned money for some shit. their families are missing loved ones forever but hes should get leniency because were supposed believe that he was "too young" to understand the consequences of his actions? the absolute fuck outta here. he deserves to ROT behind bars. those women were 83 and 87 damn years old. what "escalation" could have occured other than him executing two elderly women. like, GIRL.
and the fag that assited him should be rotting in jail TOO. THAT is literally the only injustice in this situation... other than them literally murdering 2 old ladies for not taking them up on an OFFER
:omf:
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 05, 2024, 08:04:14 PMQuote from: Purple Moon on October 05, 2024, 07:25:13 PMI mean he killed two people. I think its fair to have him locked up for life.
yea. 13 years old is PLENTY old enough to know right from wrong and understand the consequences of robbery AND murder. his age is in no way an excuse by even the slightest imagination in this particular case. these innocent ppl literally had to pay with their life because they didnt want to pay him THEIR hard earned money for some shit. their families are missing loved ones forever but hes should get leniency because were supposed believe that he was "too young" to understand the consequences of his actions? the absolute fuck outta here. he deserves to ROT behind bars. those women were 83 and 87 damn years old. what "escalation" could have occured other than him executing two elderly women. like, GIRL.
the topic is understandably polarizing so i wouldnt debate someone who says he deserves the sentence
i myself am kinda torn especially as i listen to details of what happened
ultimately two women still lost their lives
but for me a 13 year old child doesn't think the same as an adult.
i just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 05, 2024, 08:14:49 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 05, 2024, 08:04:14 PMQuote from: Purple Moon on October 05, 2024, 07:25:13 PMI mean he killed two people. I think its fair to have him locked up for life.
yea. 13 years old is PLENTY old enough to know right from wrong and understand the consequences of robbery AND murder. his age is in no way an excuse by even the slightest imagination in this particular case. these innocent ppl literally had to pay with their life because they didnt want to pay him THEIR hard earned money for some shit. their families are missing loved ones forever but hes should get leniency because were supposed believe that he was "too young" to understand the consequences of his actions? the absolute fuck outta here. he deserves to ROT behind bars. those women were 83 and 87 damn years old. what "escalation" could have occured other than him executing two elderly women. like, GIRL.
the topic is understandably polarizing so i wouldnt debate someone who says he deserves the sentence
i myself am kinda torn especially as i listen to details of what happened
ultimately two women still lost their lives
but for me a 13 year old child doesn't think the same as an adult.
i just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.
why do you keep saying that they dont see how this will impact their lives at 13 years? So they should only not kill because it would impact their life? I do agree that the brain is obviously not fully developed by age 13. However we already know what it means for someone to die/ be dead at a much younger age, even at 5-7 years old that is somewhat learned.
I do think this is exaggerated if it wasnt premeditated m*rder.
Quote from: Purple Moon on October 05, 2024, 08:45:14 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 05, 2024, 08:14:49 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 05, 2024, 08:04:14 PMQuote from: Purple Moon on October 05, 2024, 07:25:13 PMI mean he killed two people. I think its fair to have him locked up for life.
yea. 13 years old is PLENTY old enough to know right from wrong and understand the consequences of robbery AND murder. his age is in no way an excuse by even the slightest imagination in this particular case. these innocent ppl literally had to pay with their life because they didnt want to pay him THEIR hard earned money for some shit. their families are missing loved ones forever but hes should get leniency because were supposed believe that he was "too young" to understand the consequences of his actions? the absolute fuck outta here. he deserves to ROT behind bars. those women were 83 and 87 damn years old. what "escalation" could have occured other than him executing two elderly women. like, GIRL.
the topic is understandably polarizing so i wouldnt debate someone who says he deserves the sentence
i myself am kinda torn especially as i listen to details of what happened
ultimately two women still lost their lives
but for me a 13 year old child doesn't think the same as an adult.
i just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.
why do you keep saying that they dont see how this will impact their lives at 13 years? So they should only not kill because it would impact their life? I do agree that the brain is obviously not fully developed by age 13. However we already know what it means for someone to die/ be dead at a much younger age, even at 5-7 years old that is somewhat learned.
I do think this is exaggerated if it wasnt premeditated m*rder.
i say that because consequences in courtrooms are handed out usually with the assumption that the person not only knew what they did was wrong, but they had to be aware of the consequences that would follow as well.
there's a reason why the justice system makes "examples" of people with heavier sentencing sometimes.
in hopes of said sentencing making the local/national news, or hitting newspapers
it's to send a MESSAGE that they will push for the maximum punishment on certain crimes
to make adults THINK TWICE before committing said crimes
so there is something to be said about someone being fully aware of how their actions will affect them in the long run
in fact, that's a huge reason most adults THINK TWICE before committing crimes.
even if they REALLY wanna harm their ex-boyfriend. or throw a brick into someones house as revenge
it's not JUST about it being wrong. it's about the TROUBLE and CONSEQUENCES they'll face and being aware of the LIKELIHOOD of them getting caught and held accountable
the entire justice system is actually kinda BUILT on preventing crime with the THREAT OF CONSEQUENCE.
a child is less likely to take that time and THINK TWICE before doing certain things, even if they are wrong
because they are a CHILD.
as in, there's less opportunity for COMMON SENSE and BETTER JUDGEMENT to override IMPULSIVE BEHAVIOR.
does this make sense?
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 05, 2024, 08:54:05 PMQuote from: Purple Moon on October 05, 2024, 08:45:14 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 05, 2024, 08:14:49 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 05, 2024, 08:04:14 PMQuote from: Purple Moon on October 05, 2024, 07:25:13 PMI mean he killed two people. I think its fair to have him locked up for life.
yea. 13 years old is PLENTY old enough to know right from wrong and understand the consequences of robbery AND murder. his age is in no way an excuse by even the slightest imagination in this particular case. these innocent ppl literally had to pay with their life because they didnt want to pay him THEIR hard earned money for some shit. their families are missing loved ones forever but hes should get leniency because were supposed believe that he was "too young" to understand the consequences of his actions? the absolute fuck outta here. he deserves to ROT behind bars. those women were 83 and 87 damn years old. what "escalation" could have occured other than him executing two elderly women. like, GIRL.
the topic is understandably polarizing so i wouldnt debate someone who says he deserves the sentence
i myself am kinda torn especially as i listen to details of what happened
ultimately two women still lost their lives
but for me a 13 year old child doesn't think the same as an adult.
i just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.
why do you keep saying that they dont see how this will impact their lives at 13 years? So they should only not kill because it would impact their life? I do agree that the brain is obviously not fully developed by age 13. However we already know what it means for someone to die/ be dead at a much younger age, even at 5-7 years old that is somewhat learned.
I do think this is exaggerated if it wasnt premeditated m*rder.
i say that because consequences in courtrooms are handed out usually with the assumption that the person not only knew what they did was wrong, but they had to be aware of the consequences that would follow as well.
there's a reason why the justice system makes "examples" of people with heavier sentencing sometimes.
in hopes of said sentencing making the local/national news, or hitting newspapers
it's to send a MESSAGE that they will push for the maximum punishment on certain crimes
so there is something to be said about someone being fully aware of how their actions will affect them in the long run
in fact, that's a huge reason most people THINK TWICE about committing certain crimes.
even if they REALLY wanna harm their ex-boyfriend. or throw a brick into someones house
it's not JUST about it being wrong. it's about the TROUBLE and CONSEQUENCES they'll face and being aware of the LIKELIHOOD of them getting caught and held accountable
a child is less likely to take that time and THINK TWICE before doing certain things, even if they are wrong
because they are a CHILD.
does this make sense?
yes it makes sense. Thanks for clarifying
Quote from: Purple Moon on October 05, 2024, 09:24:09 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 05, 2024, 08:54:05 PMQuote from: Purple Moon on October 05, 2024, 08:45:14 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 05, 2024, 08:14:49 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 05, 2024, 08:04:14 PMQuote from: Purple Moon on October 05, 2024, 07:25:13 PMI mean he killed two people. I think its fair to have him locked up for life.
yea. 13 years old is PLENTY old enough to know right from wrong and understand the consequences of robbery AND murder. his age is in no way an excuse by even the slightest imagination in this particular case. these innocent ppl literally had to pay with their life because they didnt want to pay him THEIR hard earned money for some shit. their families are missing loved ones forever but hes should get leniency because were supposed believe that he was "too young" to understand the consequences of his actions? the absolute fuck outta here. he deserves to ROT behind bars. those women were 83 and 87 damn years old. what "escalation" could have occured other than him executing two elderly women. like, GIRL.
the topic is understandably polarizing so i wouldnt debate someone who says he deserves the sentence
i myself am kinda torn especially as i listen to details of what happened
ultimately two women still lost their lives
but for me a 13 year old child doesn't think the same as an adult.
i just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.
why do you keep saying that they dont see how this will impact their lives at 13 years? So they should only not kill because it would impact their life? I do agree that the brain is obviously not fully developed by age 13. However we already know what it means for someone to die/ be dead at a much younger age, even at 5-7 years old that is somewhat learned.
I do think this is exaggerated if it wasnt premeditated m*rder.
i say that because consequences in courtrooms are handed out usually with the assumption that the person not only knew what they did was wrong, but they had to be aware of the consequences that would follow as well.
there's a reason why the justice system makes "examples" of people with heavier sentencing sometimes.
in hopes of said sentencing making the local/national news, or hitting newspapers
it's to send a MESSAGE that they will push for the maximum punishment on certain crimes
so there is something to be said about someone being fully aware of how their actions will affect them in the long run
in fact, that's a huge reason most people THINK TWICE about committing certain crimes.
even if they REALLY wanna harm their ex-boyfriend. or throw a brick into someones house
it's not JUST about it being wrong. it's about the TROUBLE and CONSEQUENCES they'll face and being aware of the LIKELIHOOD of them getting caught and held accountable
a child is less likely to take that time and THINK TWICE before doing certain things, even if they are wrong
because they are a CHILD.
does this make sense?
yes it makes sense. Thanks for clarifying
thanks for being open to clarification :sistas:
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 05, 2024, 08:14:49 PMi just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.
i would. 13 years old is plenty old enough to understand the consequences of robery and murder.
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 05, 2024, 10:10:18 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 05, 2024, 08:14:49 PMi just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.
i would. 13 years old is plenty old enough to understand the consequences of robery and murder.
well our definitions of "child" are just clearly different
and that's OK
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 05, 2024, 10:20:31 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 05, 2024, 10:10:18 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 05, 2024, 08:14:49 PMi just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.
i would. 13 years old is plenty old enough to understand the consequences of robery and murder.
well our definitions of "child" are just clearly different
and that's OK
👍🏾
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 05, 2024, 10:10:18 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 05, 2024, 08:14:49 PMi just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.
i would. 13 years old is plenty old enough to understand the consequences of robery and murder.
But is it really? At any age, what we understand is the sum of our experiences and what we've been taught. What a child in Beverly Hills, a child in Syria, or a child in the projects in the 80s thinks of robbery and murder will all be completely different. Some kids are taught how to regulate their emotions; in my opinion, a large percentage of Black children are not. They are not taught how to deal with disappointment. Many were used to being whipped relentlessly for making basic mistakes, especially back then.
I can't say if he does or doesn't deserve to spend 100 years in jail, but I will say this: the goal of our justice system should be to determine if the person can be rehabilitated. And if you, offer them resources to accomplish this especially for juveniles. He is also a victim, no matter how you want to look at it.
i mean he murdered two ppl :plzstop:
Quote from: BruceTruMusicFan on October 06, 2024, 09:35:37 AMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 05, 2024, 10:10:18 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 05, 2024, 08:14:49 PMi just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.
i would. 13 years old is plenty old enough to understand the consequences of robery and murder.
But is it really? At any age, what we understand is the sum of our experiences and what we've been taught. What a child in Beverly Hills, a child in Syria, or a child in the projects in the 80s thinks of robbery and murder will all be completely different. Some kids are taught how to regulate their emotions; in my opinion, a large percentage of Black children are not. They are not taught how to deal with disappointment. Many were used to being whipped relentlessly for making basic mistakes, especially back then.
I can't say if he does or doesn't deserve to spend 100 years in jail, but I will say this: the goal of our justice system should be to determine if the person can be rehabilitated. And if you, offer them resources to accomplish this especially for juveniles. He is also a victim, no matter how you want to look at it.
you're making sense
Rons mother admitted she failed him and his incarceration forced her to get her life together . He was home by himself at 13 years old when he went out and got in trouble
I'm so thankful I didn't grow up in an environment where certain things were normalized . It does make a difference .
Being exposed to things as a CHILD makes a difference
Which is why most mental health professionals bring their patients BACK to their childhood to reflect on things before digging into the present
Because you were too young to truly understand how things that happened to you can affect you ... as they were happening
That goes for everything from a child being groomed and sexually abused , to how being in an empty house by themselves with no guardian in sight for hours or days at a time , could have had an impact.
Only a desensitized, lost, ANGRY child could do What he did.
And considering his situation at home , is it really a surprise that he was lost and angry?
It's interesting that the woman REJECTING his offer is what kicked off the mess. It's giving an extreme case of "mommy issues" - which a child does not have enough mental capacity to effectively process .
So it appears he was convicted with a double-homicide. I don't think that's fair considering there are adults who have done far worse and received far less time and manslaughter charges. He was a child and it didn't seem like murder was his intent.
Keep his lil bad ass locked up.
:guys:
Quote from: ❄️☃️🌨� Shuji Feels Different 🌨�☃️❄️ on October 06, 2024, 10:14:36 AMKeep his lil bad ass locked up.
appears u didn't look into the story before replying
His "lil bad ass" is like 50 years old
decades of time already served.
Keep his old ass locked up.
Quote from: ❄️☃️🌨� Shuji Feels Different 🌨�☃️❄️ on October 06, 2024, 10:37:12 AMKeep his old ass locked up.
and throw u in there with him
For not reading before u write
And this is kinda the problem when it comes to discussing this type of situation
People screaming "sounds good tah me! :plea: " without even knowing the facts. Even something as simple as who the convict is and how old he is now :uhh:
To say it's a simple-minded way to approach the conversation is an understatement.
i'd even go as far to say it's irresponsible as well
But in a way it makes sense. If someone doesn't care enough to gather the most simple context on a story before rendering their judgement , they definitely won't care about details past the most simple things like ... name and age .
Where do the victims' families stand on this? I think that's what matters most.
Quote from: admc on October 06, 2024, 12:33:30 PMWhere do the victims' families stand on this? I think that's what matters most.
They've requested appeals and feel that he's served his time.
just did some digging for updates ..
the courts granted him release for 2024!!!!!
push through Ron.
he's served decades for a horrible crime he committed as a child.
glad the courts are rethinking and FIXING their past decisions of throwing SIMPLE answers to COMPLEX situations.
he was the YOUNGEST person to be convicted of murder in Indiana at the time and they CLEARLY didn't know how to handle him or THINK far enough before slamming down the gavel during sentencing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_3nWeYUPxs
So is it safe to say that the state of IN felt his sentencing was a bit too extreme?
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Quote from: Barbie Dangerous on October 06, 2024, 12:59:12 PMSo is it safe to say that the state of IN felt his sentencing was a bit too extreme?
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yup!
i still think he served too much time....but at 50 years old, he still has a CHANCE at living life.
im so happy for him
and just wanna HUG that little Black boy from 1989 and figure out why hes so angry .
doing more digging...
in 2012, the Supreme Court ruled that lifetime sentences for minors is UNCONSTITUTIONAL:
QuoteIn 2012, deciding Miller and Jackson jointly, the U.S. Supreme Court held that, for people under 18, mandatory life without parole sentences violate the Eighth Amendment. Writing for the majority, Justice Kagan emphasized that judges must be able to consider the characteristics of young defendants in order to issue a fair and individualized sentence. Adolescence is marked by "transient rashness, proclivity for risk, and inability to assess consequences," all factors that should mitigate the punishment received by juvenile defendants.
https://www.sentencingproject.org/policy-brief/juvenile-life-without-parole-an-overview/
YES YES YES!
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 05, 2024, 08:54:05 PMQuote from: Purple Moon on October 05, 2024, 08:45:14 PMwhy do you keep saying that they dont see how this will impact their lives at 13 years? So they should only not kill because it would impact their life? I do agree that the brain is obviously not fully developed by age 13. However we already know what it means for someone to die/ be dead at a much younger age, even at 5-7 years old that is somewhat learned.
I do think this is exaggerated if it wasnt premeditated m*rder.
i say that because consequences in courtrooms are handed out usually with the assumption that the person not only knew what they did was wrong, but they had to be aware of the consequences that would follow as well.
there's a reason why the justice system makes "examples" of people with heavier sentencing sometimes.
in hopes of said sentencing making the local/national news, or hitting newspapers
it's to send a MESSAGE that they will push for the maximum punishment on certain crimes
to make adults THINK TWICE before committing said crimes
so there is something to be said about someone being fully aware of how their actions will affect them in the long run
in fact, that's a huge reason most adults THINK TWICE before committing crimes.
even if they REALLY wanna harm their ex-boyfriend. or throw a brick into someones house as revenge
it's not JUST about it being wrong. it's about the TROUBLE and CONSEQUENCES they'll face and being aware of the LIKELIHOOD of them getting caught and held accountable
the entire justice system is actually kinda BUILT on preventing crime with the THREAT OF CONSEQUENCE.
a child is less likely to take that time and THINK TWICE before doing certain things, even if they are wrong
because they are a CHILD.
as in, there's less opportunity for COMMON SENSE and BETTER JUDGEMENT to override IMPULSIVE BEHAVIOR.
does this make sense?
the justice system just wasn't thinking FAR and DEEPLY enough at the time of Ron's sentencing!
its not JUST about knowing right from wrong ....knowing the CONSEQUENCES is a HUGE part of this!
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my heart was HURTING for Ron listening to his story
and im glad i wasn't crazy for feeling that way.
Yeah, he should still be in jail.
At 13 we all know how bad murder is and the consequences eidkdlsldbcjdjsksbs
Now if he goes murdering someone after release, sentence him immediately to death and remind all of the folks who wanted the monster released of what he did every day so THEY know better...
Quote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 03:45:29 PMAt 13 we all know how bad murder is and the consequences
the supreme court doesn't agree with the blatant simplicity of ur thinking
thank god that people who think like u dont have the lives of others in their hands.
especially children
it's not only slightly heartless and tone deaf to see things like this with children
but beyond that, it's simply illogical and senseless based on scientific fact.
and proves that even adults sometimes don't know what's right and wrong.
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:11:39 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 03:45:29 PMAt 13 we all know how bad murder is and the consequences
the supreme court doesn't agree with the blatant simplicity of ur thinking
thank god that people who think like u dont have the lives of others in their hands.
especially children
You must've been a slow 13 year old...
Quote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:21:43 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:11:39 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 03:45:29 PMAt 13 we all know how bad murder is and the consequences
the supreme court doesn't agree with the blatant simplicity of ur thinking
thank god that people who think like u dont have the lives of others in their hands.
especially children
You must've been a slow 13 year old...
coming from someone who concluded that 13 year olds have complete understanding of consequence
im not the slow one, luv
the supreme court and science backs only one of our conclusions, and it's not yours.
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:22:46 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:21:43 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:11:39 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 03:45:29 PMAt 13 we all know how bad murder is and the consequences
the supreme court doesn't agree with the blatant simplicity of ur thinking
thank god that people who think like u dont have the lives of others in their hands.
especially children
You must've been a slow 13 year old...
coming from someone who concluded that 13 year olds have complete understanding of consequence
im not the slow one, luv
the supreme court and science backs only one of our conclusions, and it's not yours.
At 13, I was already held accountable for my actions in school. My grades were already setting me up for college and I was accountable for that.
At 13, I was also babysitting 2 young kids 3 days a week to start saving money. I was held accountable for the lives of 2 young children while their parents weren't around to do it.
At what age is it acceptable for someone to murder TWO people and be held accountable for what they've done? Is 18 years old the age when murderers FINALLY understand their consequences??
And let's not forget the Supreme Court doesn't always get it right. ESPECIALLY recently diwksjdjskansk
Quote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:37:22 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:22:46 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:21:43 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:11:39 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 03:45:29 PMAt 13 we all know how bad murder is and the consequences
the supreme court doesn't agree with the blatant simplicity of ur thinking
thank god that people who think like u dont have the lives of others in their hands.
especially children
You must've been a slow 13 year old...
coming from someone who concluded that 13 year olds have complete understanding of consequence
im not the slow one, luv
the supreme court and science backs only one of our conclusions, and it's not yours.
At 13, I was already held accountable for my actions in school. My grades were already setting me up for college and I was accountable for that.
At 13, I was also babysitting 2 young kids 3 days a week to start saving money. I was held accountable for the lives of 2 young children while their parents weren't around to do it.
At what age is it acceptable for someone to murder TWO people and be held accountable for what they've done? Is 18 years old the age when murderers FINALLY understand their consequences??
And let's not forget the Supreme Court doesn't always get it right. ESPECIALLY recently diwksjdjskansk
yeah, the supreme court deciding that children shouldn't be given life sentences was clearly a huge fumble.
Uly when u find ur heart let me know
what's next if we push this idea that children are so aware and informed of every choice they make and how it can affect them long-term?
opening up the doors for pedos to have romantic relationships with children - just because the child says or thinks they're in love with the man?
because u know...they have the same foresight as adults. they're aware of consequences! why not? :cheerup:
:uhh:
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:40:28 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:37:22 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:22:46 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:21:43 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:11:39 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 03:45:29 PMAt 13 we all know how bad murder is and the consequences
the supreme court doesn't agree with the blatant simplicity of ur thinking
thank god that people who think like u dont have the lives of others in their hands.
especially children
You must've been a slow 13 year old...
coming from someone who concluded that 13 year olds have complete understanding of consequence
im not the slow one, luv
the supreme court and science backs only one of our conclusions, and it's not yours.
At 13, I was already held accountable for my actions in school. My grades were already setting me up for college and I was accountable for that.
At 13, I was also babysitting 2 young kids 3 days a week to start saving money. I was held accountable for the lives of 2 young children while their parents weren't around to do it.
At what age is it acceptable for someone to murder TWO people and be held accountable for what they've done? Is 18 years old the age when murderers FINALLY understand their consequences??
And let's not forget the Supreme Court doesn't always get it right. ESPECIALLY recently diwksjdjskansk
yeah, the supreme court deciding that children shouldn't be given life sentences was clearly a huge fumble.
Uly when u find ur heart let me know
I suppose I may be more intelligent than the average person and understand consequences for my actions, even as a youngin. BUT I DO have a heart for the people who were murdered in this case, in other cases and protecting others from FUTURE monsters. That is where my heart is. Little Timmy shouldn't get a slap on the wrist for murdering 2 people because he didn't realize he could spend his whole life in prison instead of just a few years at the age of 13. Little Timmy is STILL a monster and a threat to many innocent lives.
Wow so they stabbed the 83 year old woman multiple times. And when the 87 year old sister came home, they stabbed her too.
How can someone at that age do that?
Quote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:58:29 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:40:28 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:37:22 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:22:46 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:21:43 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:11:39 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 03:45:29 PMAt 13 we all know how bad murder is and the consequences
the supreme court doesn't agree with the blatant simplicity of ur thinking
thank god that people who think like u dont have the lives of others in their hands.
especially children
You must've been a slow 13 year old...
coming from someone who concluded that 13 year olds have complete understanding of consequence
im not the slow one, luv
the supreme court and science backs only one of our conclusions, and it's not yours.
At 13, I was already held accountable for my actions in school. My grades were already setting me up for college and I was accountable for that.
At 13, I was also babysitting 2 young kids 3 days a week to start saving money. I was held accountable for the lives of 2 young children while their parents weren't around to do it.
At what age is it acceptable for someone to murder TWO people and be held accountable for what they've done? Is 18 years old the age when murderers FINALLY understand their consequences??
And let's not forget the Supreme Court doesn't always get it right. ESPECIALLY recently diwksjdjskansk
yeah, the supreme court deciding that children shouldn't be given life sentences was clearly a huge fumble.
Uly when u find ur heart let me know
I suppose I may be more intelligent than the average person and understand consequences for my actions, even as a youngin. BUT I DO have a heart for the people who were murdered in this case, in other cases and protecting others from FUTURE monsters. That is where my heart is. Little Timmy shouldn't get a slap on the wrist for murdering 2 people because he didn't realize he could spend his whole life in prison instead of just a few years at the age of 13. Little Timmy is STILL a monster and a threat to many innocent lives.
being sent to prison at 13 and leaving at 50 is barely a "slap on the wrist".
Quote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on October 06, 2024, 04:58:40 PMWow so they stabbed the 83 year old woman multiple times. And when the 87 year old sister came home, they stabbed her too.
How can someone at that age do that?
mental stability/illness is yet another layer which i'm sure was a factor - especially considering the home he came from.
and i use the word "home" loosely, considering there was no one there to supervise him or keep him company.
but i highly doubt they were taking time to psychoanalyze this little Black boy in Indiana in 1989.
even though he was the youngest murder convict in the state's history.
cut a deal with the accomplice and throw his ass in jail so we can get this case done with
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:59:36 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:58:29 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:40:28 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:37:22 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:22:46 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:21:43 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:11:39 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 03:45:29 PMAt 13 we all know how bad murder is and the consequences
the supreme court doesn't agree with the blatant simplicity of ur thinking
thank god that people who think like u dont have the lives of others in their hands.
especially children
You must've been a slow 13 year old...
coming from someone who concluded that 13 year olds have complete understanding of consequence
im not the slow one, luv
the supreme court and science backs only one of our conclusions, and it's not yours.
At 13, I was already held accountable for my actions in school. My grades were already setting me up for college and I was accountable for that.
At 13, I was also babysitting 2 young kids 3 days a week to start saving money. I was held accountable for the lives of 2 young children while their parents weren't around to do it.
At what age is it acceptable for someone to murder TWO people and be held accountable for what they've done? Is 18 years old the age when murderers FINALLY understand their consequences??
And let's not forget the Supreme Court doesn't always get it right. ESPECIALLY recently diwksjdjskansk
yeah, the supreme court deciding that children shouldn't be given life sentences was clearly a huge fumble.
Uly when u find ur heart let me know
I suppose I may be more intelligent than the average person and understand consequences for my actions, even as a youngin. BUT I DO have a heart for the people who were murdered in this case, in other cases and protecting others from FUTURE monsters. That is where my heart is. Little Timmy shouldn't get a slap on the wrist for murdering 2 people because he didn't realize he could spend his whole life in prison instead of just a few years at the age of 13. Little Timmy is STILL a monster and a threat to many innocent lives.
being sent to prison at 13 and leaving at 50 is barely a "slap on the wrist".
100% it is.
You want to be cute and take LIFE away from someone who didn't want it that way. Better yet, TWO people that didn't want it that way?
You should now be trading your OWN life. Fair is fair...
Quote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 05:09:10 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:59:36 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:58:29 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:40:28 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:37:22 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:22:46 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 04:21:43 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 04:11:39 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 03:45:29 PMAt 13 we all know how bad murder is and the consequences
the supreme court doesn't agree with the blatant simplicity of ur thinking
thank god that people who think like u dont have the lives of others in their hands.
especially children
You must've been a slow 13 year old...
coming from someone who concluded that 13 year olds have complete understanding of consequence
im not the slow one, luv
the supreme court and science backs only one of our conclusions, and it's not yours.
At 13, I was already held accountable for my actions in school. My grades were already setting me up for college and I was accountable for that.
At 13, I was also babysitting 2 young kids 3 days a week to start saving money. I was held accountable for the lives of 2 young children while their parents weren't around to do it.
At what age is it acceptable for someone to murder TWO people and be held accountable for what they've done? Is 18 years old the age when murderers FINALLY understand their consequences??
And let's not forget the Supreme Court doesn't always get it right. ESPECIALLY recently diwksjdjskansk
yeah, the supreme court deciding that children shouldn't be given life sentences was clearly a huge fumble.
Uly when u find ur heart let me know
I suppose I may be more intelligent than the average person and understand consequences for my actions, even as a youngin. BUT I DO have a heart for the people who were murdered in this case, in other cases and protecting others from FUTURE monsters. That is where my heart is. Little Timmy shouldn't get a slap on the wrist for murdering 2 people because he didn't realize he could spend his whole life in prison instead of just a few years at the age of 13. Little Timmy is STILL a monster and a threat to many innocent lives.
being sent to prison at 13 and leaving at 50 is barely a "slap on the wrist".
100% it is.
You want to be cute and take LIFE away from someone who didn't want it that way. Better yet, TWO people that didn't want it that way?
You should now be trading your OWN life. Fair is fair...
🙄
Quote from: BruceTruMusicFan on October 06, 2024, 09:35:37 AMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 05, 2024, 10:10:18 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 05, 2024, 08:14:49 PMi just wouldn't expect someone that young to really have significant foresight into what their choices can do to their lives.
i would. 13 years old is plenty old enough to understand the consequences of robery and murder.
But is it really?
yes. :uhh:
A lot of the times, you can think prison will change someone, but most of the time they get right back out and start doing the same things. Letting someone out as a 45 year old, when they are still old enough to run and sneak around is not a good idea. Murders shouldn't be let out until they're in their 70s, when they are too old and out of shape to want to do anything else.
Quote from: The Brandy Barbie on October 06, 2024, 06:43:56 PMA lot of the times, you can think prison will change someone, but most of the time they get right back out and start doing the same things. Letting someone out as a 45 year old, when they are still old enough to run and sneak around is not a good idea. Murders shouldn't be let out until they're in their 70s, when they are too old and out of shape to want to do anything else.
this makes sense for adults who were imprisoned in their adult years
but it's kinda unfair and unreasonable to assume maturity wouldn't change someone who was imprisoned at 13 years old
to assume that a 50 year old would have the same mindset as they did at 13
especially considering all the work Ron has done, all the reading (of quality/meaningful/productive material) he's done. if you watch the video in the OP you'll see he has come into his manhood pretty nicely - especially considering the environment in which he had to do so
i dont hear a 13 year old boy trapped in a man's body when i listen to Ronald speak. and im actually impressed with the progress he's made considering he didn't make it to high school before being locked up.
but as i mentioned earlier, i'd recommend a thorough psychological evaluation of the person before release.
not just for the safety of the public, but it's better for the convict as well
as they have never walked the streets as a free adult before. just to give them a little guidance and realistic expectations.
also, assuming someone will actually live to 70 years old..especially in the prison system where the available nutrition, healthcare and safety isn't exactly A+ , is quite the stretch. u might as well just say , "let them die in there".
if someone's convicted of murder at 30, by all means. but saying a 13 year old should stay in prison well into their senior citizen years is wild.
Fro's kind of lashing in here but I do see the other side as well
:woohoo:
my cousin is up for nomination as a judge in november
and im not just happy about that and rooting for her cuz im head over heels in love with her and shes easily one of my top 3 favorite cousins
but because i already know what she'd say if i brought this case to her and asked for her opinion.
we need more people like her in those seats making these decisions
especially when young Black lives are hanging in the balance.
Quote from: JCJ 🪐 on October 06, 2024, 06:56:54 PMFro's kind of lashing in here but I do see the other side as well
I actually kinda ended him in here, honestly
Quote from: Ulysses on October 06, 2024, 07:36:36 PMQuote from: JCJ 🪐 on October 06, 2024, 06:56:54 PMFro's kind of lashing in here but I do see the other side as well
I actually kinda ended him in here, honestly
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the idea that a 13 year old doesn't understand the consequences of theft and murder is utterly assenine. what did he think? he would be taken up to cloud jail with the unicorns? bvccccczzzzss like, let's be FORREAL. the ONLY grace i can give someone at that age is if they were mentally challenged.
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 01:08:35 PMQuote from: Barbie Dangerous on October 06, 2024, 12:59:12 PMSo is it safe to say that the state of IN felt his sentencing was a bit too extreme?
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yup!
i still think he served too much time....but at 50 years old, he still has a CHANCE at living life.
im so happy for him
and just wanna HUG that little Black boy from 1989 and figure out why hes so angry .
https://twitter.com/findareaction/status/1563954801649618945
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 06, 2024, 08:47:39 PMthe idea that a 13 year old doesn't understand the consequences of theft and murder is utterly assenine.
not according to the supreme court as of 2012 babes
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Quote from: Barbie Dangerous on October 06, 2024, 08:51:50 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 01:08:35 PMQuote from: Barbie Dangerous on October 06, 2024, 12:59:12 PMSo is it safe to say that the state of IN felt his sentencing was a bit too extreme?
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yup!
i still think he served too much time....but at 50 years old, he still has a CHANCE at living life.
im so happy for him
and just wanna HUG that little Black boy from 1989 and figure out why hes so angry .
https://twitter.com/findareaction/status/1563954801649618945
lpk0[oj9-upih8yu0gf698td57rs4ei6arxtc;yfv'u :feelinmyself:
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 09:09:03 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 06, 2024, 08:47:39 PMthe idea that a 13 year old doesn't understand the consequences of theft and murder is utterly assenine.
not according to the supreme court as of 2012 babes
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it is according to the indiana state courts
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Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 10:42:57 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 09:09:03 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 06, 2024, 08:47:39 PMthe idea that a 13 year old doesn't understand the consequences of theft and murder is utterly assenine.
not according to the supreme court as of 2012 babes
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it is according to the indiana state courts
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of course it
was (past tense boo) in 1989 - especially for a young Black boy
and there's a lot of other wrongs in the justice system that have yet to be corrected
but thankfully this one was.
and he's going free!
ill be sendin ur invite to the release party shortly
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 10:47:23 AMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 10:42:57 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 09:09:03 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 06, 2024, 08:47:39 PMthe idea that a 13 year old doesn't understand the consequences of theft and murder is utterly assenine.
not according to the supreme court as of 2012 babes
(https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif)
it is according to the indiana state courts
(https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif)
of course it was (past tense boo) in 1989 - especially for a young Black boy
and there's a lot of other wrongs in the justice system that have yet to be corrected
but thankfully this one was.
and he's going free!
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
robbed and murdered 2 innocent people, rotted away for most of his life, now being released to STRUGGLE as an ex-con in a society that he will have difficulty adjusting to cuz he's never been a free adult
i can live wit that lolz-a!
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 10:51:11 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 10:47:23 AMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 10:42:57 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 09:09:03 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 06, 2024, 08:47:39 PMthe idea that a 13 year old doesn't understand the consequences of theft and murder is utterly assenine.
not according to the supreme court as of 2012 babes
(https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif)
it is according to the indiana state courts
(https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif)
of course it was (past tense boo) in 1989 - especially for a young Black boy
and there's a lot of other wrongs in the justice system that have yet to be corrected
but thankfully this one was.
and he's going free!
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
robbed and murdered 2 innocent people, rotted away for most of his life, now being released to STRUGGLE as an ex-con in a society that he will have difficulty adjusting to cuz he's never been a free adult
i can live wit that lolz-a!
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
perfect!
now all u have to do is to cope with being WRONG about the sentence being too heavy handed.
doesnt appear ur handling it well. im sensing a lil aggression towards Ron!
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 10:52:16 AMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 10:51:11 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 10:47:23 AMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 10:42:57 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 09:09:03 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 06, 2024, 08:47:39 PMthe idea that a 13 year old doesn't understand the consequences of theft and murder is utterly assenine.
not according to the supreme court as of 2012 babes
(https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif)
it is according to the indiana state courts
(https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif)
of course it was (past tense boo) in 1989 - especially for a young Black boy
and there's a lot of other wrongs in the justice system that have yet to be corrected
but thankfully this one was.
and he's going free!
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
robbed and murdered 2 innocent people, rotted away for most of his life, now being released to STRUGGLE as an ex-con in a society that he will have difficulty adjusting to cuz he's never been a free adult
i can live wit that lolz-a!
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
perfect!
now all u have to do is to cope with being WRONG about the sentence being too heavy handed.
doesnt appear ur handling it well. im sensing a lil aggression towards Ron!
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
like the aggression he showed to those two old ladies he robbed and murdered? nah lolz
nothing abt what ive said has changed babe. he deserves to rot behind bars. as youve acknowledged, justice systems get it wrong often. and his release is yet another example of that.
but i'll take solace in him struggling for the remainder of his days
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Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 11:20:23 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 10:52:16 AMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 10:51:11 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 10:47:23 AMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 10:42:57 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 09:09:03 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 06, 2024, 08:47:39 PMthe idea that a 13 year old doesn't understand the consequences of theft and murder is utterly assenine.
not according to the supreme court as of 2012 babes
(https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif)
it is according to the indiana state courts
(https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif)
of course it was (past tense boo) in 1989 - especially for a young Black boy
and there's a lot of other wrongs in the justice system that have yet to be corrected
but thankfully this one was.
and he's going free!
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
robbed and murdered 2 innocent people, rotted away for most of his life, now being released to STRUGGLE as an ex-con in a society that he will have difficulty adjusting to cuz he's never been a free adult
i can live wit that lolz-a!
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
perfect!
now all u have to do is to cope with being WRONG about the sentence being too heavy handed.
doesnt appear ur handling it well. im sensing a lil aggression towards Ron!
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
like -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7eZD3TKn_M
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exactly vcccffddddd
speechless self
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 10:47:23 AMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 10:42:57 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 09:09:03 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 06, 2024, 08:47:39 PMthe idea that a 13 year old doesn't understand the consequences of theft and murder is utterly assenine.
not according to the supreme court as of 2012 babes
(https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif)
it is according to the indiana state courts
(https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif)
of course it was (past tense boo) in 1989 - especially for a young Black boy
and there's a lot of other wrongs in the justice system that have yet to be corrected
but thankfully this one was.
and he's going free!
ill be sendin ur invite to the release party shortly
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
You should reach out to him and extend him an invite to stay in your apartment for a lil mini vacation
Quote from: Ulysses on October 07, 2024, 12:31:40 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 10:47:23 AMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 10:42:57 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 09:09:03 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 06, 2024, 08:47:39 PMthe idea that a 13 year old doesn't understand the consequences of theft and murder is utterly assenine.
not according to the supreme court as of 2012 babes
(https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif)
it is according to the indiana state courts
(https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif)
of course it was (past tense boo) in 1989 - especially for a young Black boy
and there's a lot of other wrongs in the justice system that have yet to be corrected
but thankfully this one was.
and he's going free!
ill be sendin ur invite to the release party shortly
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
You should reach out to him and extend him an invite to stay in your apartment for a lil mini vacation
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one step ahead of u boo! king is already comin over for brunch
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Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 12:38:59 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 07, 2024, 12:31:40 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 10:47:23 AMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 10:42:57 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 09:09:03 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 06, 2024, 08:47:39 PMthe idea that a 13 year old doesn't understand the consequences of theft and murder is utterly assenine.
not according to the supreme court as of 2012 babes
(https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif)
it is according to the indiana state courts
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of course it was (past tense boo) in 1989 - especially for a young Black boy
and there's a lot of other wrongs in the justice system that have yet to be corrected
but thankfully this one was.
and he's going free!
ill be sendin ur invite to the release party shortly
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You should reach out to him and extend him an invite to stay in your apartment for a lil mini vacation
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one step ahead of u boo! king is already comin over for brunch
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Only brunch? No no no. Message me your address. I'll arrange for a sleepover. Nothing to worry about. He's paid for his crimes, apparently :ohwow:
Quote from: Ulysses on October 07, 2024, 01:26:12 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 12:38:59 PMQuote from: Ulysses on October 07, 2024, 12:31:40 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 10:47:23 AMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 10:42:57 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 06, 2024, 09:09:03 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 06, 2024, 08:47:39 PMthe idea that a 13 year old doesn't understand the consequences of theft and murder is utterly assenine.
not according to the supreme court as of 2012 babes
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it is according to the indiana state courts
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of course it was (past tense boo) in 1989 - especially for a young Black boy
and there's a lot of other wrongs in the justice system that have yet to be corrected
but thankfully this one was.
and he's going free!
ill be sendin ur invite to the release party shortly
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
You should reach out to him and extend him an invite to stay in your apartment for a lil mini vacation
;,'lmko[jnpihuog7yiftucdryxse
one step ahead of u boo! king is already comin over for brunch
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/1dt9K954k8kAAAAC/hair-flip.gif)
Only brunch? No no no. Message me your address. I'll arrange for a sleepover. Nothing to worry about. He's paid for his crimes, apparently :ohwow:
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It depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.
Quote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.
Sounds like the lil bitch deserves life.
Quote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.
she doesn't deserve life???? yall have to STOP. if these little mfs have the mental capacity to PLAN a crime(s), they have the same capacity to understand the consequences. again, im open to leniency based on mental illness. but outside of that, throw the BOOK at em.
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 07:58:00 PMQuote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.
she doesn't deserve life???? yall have to STOP. if these little mfs have the mental capacity to PLAN a crime(s), they have the same capacity to understand the consequences. again, im open to leniency based on mental illness. but outside of that, throw the BOOK at em.
and yet u didnt ask if Ron or this girl were actually evaluated for mental illness before voting to take their life away.
yall run around calling people like Jaguar Wright "ment" all day
but kids who kill adults are fully in their right mind and should be held accountable as such.
its laughable
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 08:06:02 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 07:58:00 PMQuote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.
she doesn't deserve life???? yall have to STOP. if these little mfs have the mental capacity to PLAN a crime(s), they have the same capacity to understand the consequences. again, im open to leniency based on mental illness. but outside of that, throw the BOOK at em.
and yet u didnt ask if Ron or this girl were actually evaluated for mental illness before voting to take their life away.
not my job. neither of them claimed, nor did their defense attorneys argue a case for mental illness. nor did the idea of mental illness stop them from taking the lives they took. NEXT!
:omf:
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 08:59:49 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 08:06:02 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 07:58:00 PMQuote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.
she doesn't deserve life???? yall have to STOP. if these little mfs have the mental capacity to PLAN a crime(s), they have the same capacity to understand the consequences. again, im open to leniency based on mental illness. but outside of that, throw the BOOK at em.
and yet u didnt ask if Ron or this girl were actually evaluated for mental illness before voting to take their life away.
not my job. neither of them claimed, nor did their defense attorneys argue a case for mental illness. nor did the idea of mental illness stop them from taking the lives they took. NEXT!
:omf:
i didnt even say or insinuate that its your job to present that as a defense.
ur over there blacking out in foolery so much u cant read straight.
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:07:23 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 08:59:49 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 08:06:02 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 07:58:00 PMQuote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.
she doesn't deserve life???? yall have to STOP. if these little mfs have the mental capacity to PLAN a crime(s), they have the same capacity to understand the consequences. again, im open to leniency based on mental illness. but outside of that, throw the BOOK at em.
and yet u didnt ask if Ron or this girl were actually evaluated for mental illness before voting to take their life away.
not my job. neither of them claimed, nor did their defense attorneys argue a case for mental illness. nor did the idea of mental illness stop them from taking the lives they took. NEXT!
:omf:
i didnt even say or insinuate that its your job to present that as a defense.
ur over there blacking out in foolery so much u cant read straight.
again... because you seem to be struggling babe... when these cases went to trial, mental illness was not something that was claimed or argued. the end. bbvvcxxxxx like...
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 09:11:14 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:07:23 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 08:59:49 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 08:06:02 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 07:58:00 PMQuote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.
she doesn't deserve life???? yall have to STOP. if these little mfs have the mental capacity to PLAN a crime(s), they have the same capacity to understand the consequences. again, im open to leniency based on mental illness. but outside of that, throw the BOOK at em.
and yet u didnt ask if Ron or this girl were actually evaluated for mental illness before voting to take their life away.
not my job. neither of them claimed, nor did their defense attorneys argue a case for mental illness. nor did the idea of mental illness stop them from taking the lives they took. NEXT!
:omf:
i didnt even say or insinuate that its your job to present that as a defense.
ur over there blacking out in foolery so much u cant read straight.
you seem to be struggling babe
no you are.
if you slow down a bit and do RESEARCH instead of just wildly typing away, you'd see her lawyer DID argue that.
so you're WRONG again.
https://abc7chicago.com/post/mississippi-teen-carly-madison-gregg-convicted-sentenced-life-prison-killing-mother-attempted-murder-stepdad/15343386/
Quote"She doesn't know what was going on at that time. We're asking you to find her not guilty by reason of insanity," Gregg's defense attorney Kevin Camp pleaded with jurors before their decision.
and if u slowed down and did some RESEARCH, you would understand why it wasn't possible for Ronald to present his mental state as a contributing factor for his crime in 1989, to get a lessened sentence.
it just wasn't an option.
PRIOR TO the supreme court ruling in 2012:
QuoteIn 2011, over 2,500 child offenders were serving sentences of life without parole in the US. The sentence can be imposed as a mandatory punishment without any consideration to mitigating factors such as a history of abuse, the degree of involvement in the crime or the mental health status of the defendant.
AFTER 2012:
QuoteIn 2012, the case of Miller v Alabama was presented in front of the US Supreme Court. Following this case, States and Federal Governments are required to consider the unique circumstances of each juvenile defendant in order to determine their individual sentence.
https://studentsverdict.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/a-double-homicide-and-170-years-in-prison-at-age-13/
Just because they TRY to pull the mental impairment card doesn't mean it's factual. They of course are going to try it.
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:12:01 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 09:11:14 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:07:23 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 08:59:49 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 08:06:02 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 07:58:00 PMQuote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.
she doesn't deserve life???? yall have to STOP. if these little mfs have the mental capacity to PLAN a crime(s), they have the same capacity to understand the consequences. again, im open to leniency based on mental illness. but outside of that, throw the BOOK at em.
and yet u didnt ask if Ron or this girl were actually evaluated for mental illness before voting to take their life away.
not my job. neither of them claimed, nor did their defense attorneys argue a case for mental illness. nor did the idea of mental illness stop them from taking the lives they took. NEXT!
:omf:
i didnt even say or insinuate that its your job to present that as a defense.
ur over there blacking out in foolery so much u cant read straight.
you seem to be struggling babe
no you are.
if you slow down a bit and do RESEARCH instead of just wildly typing away, you'd see her lawyer DID argue that.
so you're WRONG again.
https://abc7chicago.com/post/mississippi-teen-carly-madison-gregg-convicted-sentenced-life-prison-killing-mother-attempted-murder-stepdad/15343386/
Quote"She doesn't know what was going on at that time. We're asking you to find her not guilty by reason of insanity," Gregg's defense attorney Kevin Camp pleaded with jurors before their decision.
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"she doesn't know what was going on at that time"
yea she really made the case there. bvcvvccvxbcxcvccvvccvvv this damn hail mary
fro get tf out my quotes :plzstop:
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 08, 2024, 03:36:09 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:12:01 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 09:11:14 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:07:23 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 08:59:49 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 08:06:02 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 07:58:00 PMQuote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.
she doesn't deserve life???? yall have to STOP. if these little mfs have the mental capacity to PLAN a crime(s), they have the same capacity to understand the consequences. again, im open to leniency based on mental illness. but outside of that, throw the BOOK at em.
and yet u didnt ask if Ron or this girl were actually evaluated for mental illness before voting to take their life away.
not my job. neither of them claimed, nor did their defense attorneys argue a case for mental illness. nor did the idea of mental illness stop them from taking the lives they took. NEXT!
:omf:
i didnt even say or insinuate that its your job to present that as a defense.
ur over there blacking out in foolery so much u cant read straight.
you seem to be struggling babe
no you are.
if you slow down a bit and do RESEARCH instead of just wildly typing away, you'd see her lawyer DID argue that.
so you're WRONG again.
https://abc7chicago.com/post/mississippi-teen-carly-madison-gregg-convicted-sentenced-life-prison-killing-mother-attempted-murder-stepdad/15343386/
Quote"She doesn't know what was going on at that time. We're asking you to find her not guilty by reason of insanity," Gregg's defense attorney Kevin Camp pleaded with jurors before their decision.
N
"she doesn't know what was going on at that time"
yea she really made the case there. bvcvvccvxbcxcvccvvccvvv this damn hail mary
fro get tf out my quotes :plzstop:
nice try.
now find a way to RUN AROUND the fact that u didnt even know Ron was ineligible to throw in the mental illness card for a reduced sentence/leniency in 1989.
go.
Quote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:26:47 PMand if u slowed down and did some RESEARCH, you would understand why it wasn't possible for Ronald to present his mental state as a contributing factor for his crime in 1989, to get a lessened sentence.
it just wasn't an option.
PRIOR TO the supreme court ruling in 2012:
QuoteIn 2011, over 2,500 child offenders were serving sentences of life without parole in the US. The sentence can be imposed as a mandatory punishment without any consideration to mitigating factors such as a history of abuse, the degree of involvement in the crime or the mental health status of the defendant.
AFTER 2012:
QuoteIn 2012, the case of Miller v Alabama was presented in front of the US Supreme Court. Following this case, States and Federal Governments are required to consider the unique circumstances of each juvenile defendant in order to determine their individual sentence.
https://studentsverdict.wordpress.com/2018/02/11/a-double-homicide-and-170-years-in-prison-at-age-13/
Quote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 08, 2024, 03:36:09 AMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:12:01 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 09:11:14 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 09:07:23 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 08:59:49 PMQuote from: MÃE (MUVA) on October 07, 2024, 08:06:02 PMQuote from: i'm oph, he's mine on October 07, 2024, 07:58:00 PMQuote from: rosone1 on October 07, 2024, 03:20:22 PMIt depends on the circumstances for me.
Last month, there was a 14 year old girl was sentenced to life that killing her mother.She immediately began texting her friends telling her about the crime and sending pictures of the body.When the stepdad came home she tried to kill him too.
She definitely should not have received life but plead insanity.
she doesn't deserve life???? yall have to STOP. if these little mfs have the mental capacity to PLAN a crime(s), they have the same capacity to understand the consequences. again, im open to leniency based on mental illness. but outside of that, throw the BOOK at em.
and yet u didnt ask if Ron or this girl were actually evaluated for mental illness before voting to take their life away.
not my job. neither of them claimed, nor did their defense attorneys argue a case for mental illness. nor did the idea of mental illness stop them from taking the lives they took. NEXT!
:omf:
i didnt even say or insinuate that its your job to present that as a defense.
ur over there blacking out in foolery so much u cant read straight.
you seem to be struggling babe
no you are.
if you slow down a bit and do RESEARCH instead of just wildly typing away, you'd see her lawyer DID argue that.
so you're WRONG again.
https://abc7chicago.com/post/mississippi-teen-carly-madison-gregg-convicted-sentenced-life-prison-killing-mother-attempted-murder-stepdad/15343386/
Quote"She doesn't know what was going on at that time. We're asking you to find her not guilty by reason of insanity," Gregg's defense attorney Kevin Camp pleaded with jurors before their decision.
N
"she doesn't know what was going on at that time"
yea she really made the case there. bvcvvccvxbcxcvccvvccvvv this damn hail mary
fro get tf out my quotes :plzstop:
and if you're using your noggin, u would know that closing arguments from the defense/prosecution are usually a SUMMATION and FINAL RESTATEMENT of what the teams have argued throughout the case.
so if the lawyer is bringing up mental illness in CLOSING ARGUMENTS, it most likely means this was a defense they carried through the trial and they're simply bringing it home one more time before the jury goes to make their decision.
Carly's lawyers definitely argued mental illness in the trial, and presented evidence to support it.
An expert also testified to her mental well being.QuoteDefense Attorneys Bridget Todd and Kevin Camp presented evidence in court in day three of the trial Wednesday showing Gregg was an "exceptional student" with a history of mental health concerns.
Dr. Andrew Clark, a child and adolescent psychiatrist based in Cambridge, MA, was identified as the expert witness. Clark testified to what factors may have contributed to Gregg committing the alleged crimes. Clark said he diagnosed Gregg with Bipolar II disorder.
"Dr. Clark, based on your experience, expertise and evaluation of Carly, do you believe that Carly was able to understand the nature of her conduct and appreciate the difference between right and wrong at the time this incident occurred on March 19?" Defense Attorney Bridget Todd asked.
"I don't think so," Clark said.
https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2024/09/18/defense-carly-madison-gregg-expects-first-witness-in-murder-trial/75244116007/
and with that, i'm done discussing this with you.
the true insanity would be me sitting here continuing to do that when it's now clear that u shouldn't be having this discussion at all.
do some more research before slamming down your gavel on children.
fro, hun... leave me alone wit this now. that man wasnt crazy then, aint crazy now, and he should be behind bars forever. period. save the essays for a nicki psych eval.