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I agree but Monica should'nt be top 10
Quote from: Hatsumomo on January 28, 2025, 01:47:24 PMI agree but Monica should'nt be top 10
This is based upon chart success on the R&B song and album charts. Monica is right up there in all fairness.
GHan curb stompin the gorls out I see :woohoo:
Im surprised to see T-boz above Janet. I realize CrazySexyCool was massive, but I thought that was because of the pop charts with Waterfalls.
I still don't see how Whitney gets to claim a soundtrack as her album.
Brandy and Monica are tf PERCHED
And only slid into the scene around mid 90s
:stressed:
Quote from: Hatsumomo on January 28, 2025, 01:47:24 PMI agree but Monica should'nt be top 10
She's also in the Top 10 All Genres
https://www.instagram.com/p/DD8JzuVRKWJ/?igsh=MXJ5Y3R5ZWN0M2N0YQ==
Quote from: Ulysses on January 28, 2025, 05:39:10 PMIm surprised to see T-boz above Janet. I realize CrazySexyCool was massive, but I thought that was because of the pop charts with Waterfalls.
Waterfalls didn't take off until the video was released. Radio was reluctant to play at the time.
Quote from: Kalifornia. on January 28, 2025, 05:55:34 PMI still don't see how Whitney gets to claim a soundtrack as her album.
I don't see why not? She's on the bulk of the album anyway.
Xscape at #11 is sending me
Quote from: Lazarus on January 28, 2025, 06:35:18 PMQuote from: Ulysses on January 28, 2025, 05:39:10 PMIm surprised to see T-boz above Janet. I realize CrazySexyCool was massive, but I thought that was because of the pop charts with Waterfalls.
Waterfalls didn't take off until the video was released. Radio was reluctant to play at the time.
I would have to politely disagree with this statement unless you have evidence of such
Quote from: Lazarus on January 28, 2025, 06:36:58 PMQuote from: Kalifornia. on January 28, 2025, 05:55:34 PMI still don't see how Whitney gets to claim a soundtrack as her album.
I don't see why not? She's on the bulk of the album anyway.
6 out of 12 songs isn't enough to claim the whole album imo, but dew.
Quote from: Ulysses on January 28, 2025, 06:58:57 PMQuote from: Lazarus on January 28, 2025, 06:35:18 PMQuote from: Ulysses on January 28, 2025, 05:39:10 PMIm surprised to see T-boz above Janet. I realize CrazySexyCool was massive, but I thought that was because of the pop charts with Waterfalls.
Waterfalls didn't take off until the video was released. Radio was reluctant to play at the time.
I would have to politely disagree with this statement unless you have evidence of such
QuoteOn Clive Davis [the head of Arista Records in 1995] not wanting to release "Waterfalls" as a single:
"I don't think he really got the song at the time. 'Creep' was still out and he loved 'Creep,' so when he heard 'Waterfalls,' I don't think he understood why we were so excited about it. But we were very adamant about doing a video for the song. We begged [co-founder of LaFace Records, a joint venture with Arista Records] L.A. Reid, 'Please! We have to do this!' Once the song was out, it actually wasn't doing that great at radio. I think it simply was because people didn't understand it. They were like, 'Don't go chasing waterfalls? Huh? What do you mean?' So Lisa wrote a note on a poster board asking him to let us do the video and gave it to L.A. ― I think he has it to this day ― and we were like, 'Please! You don't understand how important it is that we get this video out!' But we've all had to work so hard and kick so many doors down, so this was just another battle for us. I never spoke to Clive about how he felt about the song's success but I know he was definitely proud of what came out of it [laughs]."
Link (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tlc-waterfalls-history_n_5b9030eee4b0511db3de9bb1)
Quote from: Kalifornia. on January 28, 2025, 07:00:15 PMQuote from: Lazarus on January 28, 2025, 06:36:58 PMQuote from: Kalifornia. on January 28, 2025, 05:55:34 PMI still don't see how Whitney gets to claim a soundtrack as her album.
I don't see why not? She's on the bulk of the album anyway.
6 out of 12 songs isn't enough to claim the whole album imo, but dew.
Billboard includes Romeo Must Die in Aaliyah's sales with less songs.
Quote from: Lazarus on January 28, 2025, 07:17:49 PMQuote from: Ulysses on January 28, 2025, 06:58:57 PMQuote from: Lazarus on January 28, 2025, 06:35:18 PMQuote from: Ulysses on January 28, 2025, 05:39:10 PMIm surprised to see T-boz above Janet. I realize CrazySexyCool was massive, but I thought that was because of the pop charts with Waterfalls.
Waterfalls didn't take off until the video was released. Radio was reluctant to play at the time.
I would have to politely disagree with this statement unless you have evidence of such
QuoteOn Clive Davis [the head of Arista Records in 1995] not wanting to release "Waterfalls" as a single:
"I don't think he really got the song at the time. 'Creep' was still out and he loved 'Creep,' so when he heard 'Waterfalls,' I don't think he understood why we were so excited about it. But we were very adamant about doing a video for the song. We begged [co-founder of LaFace Records, a joint venture with Arista Records] L.A. Reid, 'Please! We have to do this!' Once the song was out, it actually wasn't doing that great at radio. I think it simply was because people didn't understand it. They were like, 'Don't go chasing waterfalls? Huh? What do you mean?' So Lisa wrote a note on a poster board asking him to let us do the video and gave it to L.A. ― I think he has it to this day ― and we were like, 'Please! You don't understand how important it is that we get this video out!' But we've all had to work so hard and kick so many doors down, so this was just another battle for us. I never spoke to Clive about how he felt about the song's success but I know he was definitely proud of what came out of it [laughs]."
Link (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tlc-waterfalls-history_n_5b9030eee4b0511db3de9bb1)
Thanks. But that didn't prove the point. The reason for releasing videos is to further promote a song. But to say a song didn't have pop success because it didn't have a video doesn't make sense. Videos are promo and the whole point. The song was gonna smash regardless.
Quote from: Ulysses on January 28, 2025, 08:20:54 PMQuote from: Lazarus on January 28, 2025, 07:17:49 PMQuote from: Ulysses on January 28, 2025, 06:58:57 PMQuote from: Lazarus on January 28, 2025, 06:35:18 PMQuote from: Ulysses on January 28, 2025, 05:39:10 PMIm surprised to see T-boz above Janet. I realize CrazySexyCool was massive, but I thought that was because of the pop charts with Waterfalls.
Waterfalls didn't take off until the video was released. Radio was reluctant to play at the time.
I would have to politely disagree with this statement unless you have evidence of such
QuoteOn Clive Davis [the head of Arista Records in 1995] not wanting to release "Waterfalls" as a single:
"I don't think he really got the song at the time. 'Creep' was still out and he loved 'Creep,' so when he heard 'Waterfalls,' I don't think he understood why we were so excited about it. But we were very adamant about doing a video for the song. We begged [co-founder of LaFace Records, a joint venture with Arista Records] L.A. Reid, 'Please! We have to do this!' Once the song was out, it actually wasn't doing that great at radio. I think it simply was because people didn't understand it. They were like, 'Don't go chasing waterfalls? Huh? What do you mean?' So Lisa wrote a note on a poster board asking him to let us do the video and gave it to L.A. ― I think he has it to this day ― and we were like, 'Please! You don't understand how important it is that we get this video out!' But we've all had to work so hard and kick so many doors down, so this was just another battle for us. I never spoke to Clive about how he felt about the song's success but I know he was definitely proud of what came out of it [laughs]."
Link (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tlc-waterfalls-history_n_5b9030eee4b0511db3de9bb1)
Thanks. But that didn't prove the point. The reason for releasing videos is to further promote a song. But to say a song didn't have pop success because it didn't have a video doesn't make sense. Videos are promo and the whole point. The song was gonna smash regardless.
It does prove my point because 1) the song wasn't doing great at radio, at the time radio didn't get it or understand Waterfalls and 2) before it became the success it did they had to fight to get a video made because Clive Davis wasn't feeling Waterfalls at all. The music video helped pushed Waterfalls into the success it became hence why I said the song didn't take off until the release of a music video. Waterfalls was an MTV staple and played around the clock.
Chilli
QuoteWhen it first went to radio, nobody got it. They didn't understand what we were talking about. It needed the video to bring the words to life. Even I don't think I really fell in love with the song until I saw it. The moment I did, I knew it would be a hit.
T-Boz
QuoteI wanted Waterfalls to be our version of alternative music. When I heard an early version, I thought: "My god, this is perfect." It was so left of what we'd done on our first album. It was amazeballs. When we had finished recording it, we played it for Clive Davies, the big kahuna at the label. He was the boss of Arista, which distributed our label La Face. He didn't like it. He said it was too deep. He didn't think people would bump up the street to it.
So went went to LA Reid, who ran LaFace. We bought a giant poster and wrote on it: "Please believe in us, we'll make the best video ever." He went against Clive and put up the money. We called in F Gary Gray to direct the video. The first time he showed us the concept – which showed a kid getting killed selling drugs and a guy contracting HIV – we started crying. Aids was an epidemic at the time. Not long after the song came out, I was doing a book-signing and a man came up to me and held my hand. "I didn't kill myself because of you," he said. "I felt like nobody understood. But I felt like you guys understood how people can end up in my situation."
Link (https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/may/15/how-we-made-tlc-waterfalls)
Quote from: Lazarus on January 29, 2025, 06:19:52 AMChilli
QuoteWhen it first went to radio, nobody got it. They didn't understand what we were talking about. It needed the video to bring the words to life. Even I don't think I really fell in love with the song until I saw it. The moment I did, I knew it would be a hit.
T-Boz
QuoteI wanted Waterfalls to be our version of alternative music. When I heard an early version, I thought: "My god, this is perfect." It was so left of what we'd done on our first album. It was amazeballs. When we had finished recording it, we played it for Clive Davies, the big kahuna at the label. He was the boss of Arista, which distributed our label La Face. He didn't like it. He said it was too deep. He didn't think people would bump up the street to it.
So went went to LA Reid, who ran LaFace. We bought a giant poster and wrote on it: "Please believe in us, we'll make the best video ever." He went against Clive and put up the money. We called in F Gary Gray to direct the video. The first time he showed us the concept – which showed a kid getting killed selling drugs and a guy contracting HIV – we started crying. Aids was an epidemic at the time. Not long after the song came out, I was doing a book-signing and a man came up to me and held my hand. "I didn't kill myself because of you," he said. "I felt like nobody understood. But I felt like you guys understood how people can end up in my situation."
Link (https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/may/15/how-we-made-tlc-waterfalls)
GODlli was such a visionary 🥹
Brandy has always been above Mo.
That is crazy seeing all the love Mo has always had and how people used to dog Brandy.
Monica's fans never really showed up for her in the grand scheme of things.
:roflmao: :welllol:
arguing that music videos can't (and haven't) boost songs from a flop to a hit is insane
:omf:
Mariah was really that bitch from the jump huh?
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Quote from: Hatsumomo on January 28, 2025, 01:47:24 PMI agree but Monica should'nt be top 10
why shouldn't she be. She got the stats to be there.
Quote from: ReVon on January 30, 2025, 02:12:36 AMBrandy has always been above Mo.
That is crazy seeing all the love Mo has always had and how people used to dog Brandy.
Monica's fans never really showed up for her in the grand scheme of things.
:roflmao: :welllol:
:disgusted:
Quote from: oph. on January 30, 2025, 11:29:38 AMarguing that music videos can't (and haven't) boost songs from a flop to a hit is insane
:omf:
Hmmm as usual, you don't quite understand shit.