Poll
Question:
Who has the WEAKEST musical artisty?
Option 1: Mimi
votes: 1
Option 2: Nippy
votes: 13
Option 3: Mad'
votes: 5
Option 4: Jans
votes: 1
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1AvjpckB8M/?mibextid=wwXIfr (https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1AvjpckB8M/?mibextid=wwXIfr)
Whitney. Love her down, but I never really liked a full album from her
Whitney
'riah
TRANet's artistry exceeded in her performance
MENTdonna's artistry exceeded in her music
WHIT's artistry exceeded in her vocal approach
riah doesn't seem any of them in those specific categories imo
Quote from: oph. on August 07, 2025, 11:58:02 AM'riah
TRANet's artistry exceeded in her performance
MENTdonna's artistry exceeded in her music
WHIT's artistry exceeded in her vocal approach
riah doesn't seem any of them in those specific categories imo
Literal subject matter and vocals
Whitney is the out one.
Quote from: L0NZ. on August 07, 2025, 12:26:29 PMQuote from: oph. on August 07, 2025, 11:58:02 AM'riah
TRANet's artistry exceeded in her performance
MENTdonna's artistry exceeded in her music
WHIT's artistry exceeded in her vocal approach
riah doesn't seem any of them in those specific categories imo
Literal subject matter and vocals
Whitney is the out one.
not sure what ur saying babe, but again
Quote from: oph. on August 07, 2025, 11:58:02 AMimo
luv u down tho 🫶🏾
Nippy but I do enjoy her music/albums.
Whitney, for sure. But she was the absolute best singer by far of all of them
Whitney started getting more interesting towards the latter part of her career but even then she was the most "boring"
sdjnnjnsjnjnjnsj
mariah started with the same boring mess and really switched it up and came into her own during the Butterfly era
that whole super girly, very naive-ish dumb blond routine is a tea
GODnet would be the best artist of this group. Madonna/Mariah tied for 2nd
extra points for Mariah since she wrote so much of her own stuff. that in itself speaks strongly to artistry
Yeah Whitney.
We will never see this level of greatness again
the gors that voted madonna, state your case
:ATLcameo:
Was Janet the first R&B/pop girlie to find a producer to create a musical marriage and sound that inspired all of our 90s teen Queens to do the same?!
:stressed:
Quote from: Harlem on August 07, 2025, 01:46:25 PMWas Janet the first R&B/pop girlie to find a producer to create a musical marriage and sound that inspired all of our 90s teen Queens to do the same?!
:stressed:
no.
Who was?
not TRANet.
:unbothered:
Quote from: Harlem on August 07, 2025, 01:46:25 PMWas Janet the first R&B/pop girlie to find a producer to create a musical marriage and sound that inspired all of our 90s teen Queens to do the same?!
:stressed:
Yes
n
tina was already doing that with ike abusive self
Nnn
Quote from: oph. on August 07, 2025, 12:35:33 PMQuote from: L0NZ. on August 07, 2025, 12:26:29 PMQuote from: oph. on August 07, 2025, 11:58:02 AM'riah
TRANet's artistry exceeded in her performance
MENTdonna's artistry exceeded in her music
WHIT's artistry exceeded in her vocal approach
riah doesn't seem any of them in those specific categories imo
Literal subject matter and vocals
Whitney is the out one.
not sure what ur saying babe, but again
Quote from: oph. on August 07, 2025, 11:58:02 AMimo
luv u down tho 🫶🏾
Am saying what everyone else did :receipts:
Whitney wasn't an artist. She was just a singer, and that's fine.
Quote from: oph. on August 07, 2025, 01:45:00 PMthe gors that voted madonna, state your case
:ATLcameo:
she has the least talent
Her music might be interesting but I would listen to the other 3 before her
Even Whitney's boring music that she sings the hell out of
Quote from: L0NZ. on August 07, 2025, 02:47:31 PMQuote from: oph. on August 07, 2025, 12:35:33 PMQuote from: L0NZ. on August 07, 2025, 12:26:29 PMQuote from: oph. on August 07, 2025, 11:58:02 AM'riah
TRANet's artistry exceeded in her performance
MENTdonna's artistry exceeded in her music
WHIT's artistry exceeded in her vocal approach
riah doesn't seem any of them in those specific categories imo
Literal subject matter and vocals
Whitney is the out one.
not sure what ur saying babe, but again
Quote from: oph. on August 07, 2025, 11:58:02 AMimo
luv u down tho 🫶🏾
Am saying what everyone else did :receipts:
damn, my opinion remains the same tho
:receipts:
And your opinion was wrong hun
a) an opnion cannot be wrong as it relates to matters that are based in subjectivity as opposed to fact
b) mariah is a hasbeen DRUNK chasing her glory days
anything tf ELSE? :ATLcameo:
they kinda ended u babes
and i wont be reading later to confirm :caramelapple:
Yeah Whitney. She didn't even write her own mess. No sense of musical direction, creativity nor a distinctive sound.
She's similar to Monica in that sense.
What dumb dumbs voted Madonna?? :uhh:
Quote from: Nine on August 07, 2025, 03:08:49 PMWhitney wasn't an artist. She was just a singer, and that's fine.
Whitney was the VOICE, but she was no artist.
What Whit could do with her voice...made her an artist. Her voice was her paint brush.
More than one way you can be an artist
See: Rihanna
Whitney's voice was the vehicle that drove all those songs written by other people, into hits
I was just revisiting this performance the other day. Her voice was starting to decline around this time but the way she sat there and still gave a vocal LASHIN. :uhh:
The on-stage charisma! That's artistry!
...cocaine sweat and all
:flamebroiled:
Quote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on August 10, 2025, 12:10:19 AM
I was just revisiting this performance the other day. Her voice was starting to decline around this time but the way she sat there and still gave a vocal LASHIN. :uhh:
The on-stage charisma! That's artistry!
...cocaine sweat and all
:flamebroiled:
:butwait!:
Quote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on August 09, 2025, 11:54:45 PMWhat Whit could do with her voice...made her an artist. Her voice was her paint brush.
More than one way you can be an artist
See: Rihanna
Whitney's voice was the vehicle that drove all those songs written by other people, into hits
obviously whitney did something well as an artist to become one of the best selling of all time
but i think the context of this thread was pointing more towards material. songs. the music
the level of creativity and creative ambition in the material itself. how un-"safe" was it?
that's usually the assumed context when "artistry" is mentioned, from what i've seen
it's more a combination of how creative/unique/interesting the material was, and how well the artist used their voice on the material is considered too.
whitney will always be the voice and we can literally sit and talk about what she did with her voice all day. but even she herself knew the "artistry" was lacking IMO. which is why she tried to switch it up and come more into her own instead of just singing off those interchangeable/assembly line produced/generic pop tunes they were giving her.
as i mentioned earlier in the thread, she def tried to give us more of who "whitney" was an artist (and a person) and that shouldn't go without a note.
I think the "My Love is Your Love" era was a huge turning point for her. i think i even remember her saying so herself. she wanted to get more control. ala GODnet.
Quote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on August 09, 2025, 11:54:45 PMWhat Whit could do with her voice...made her an artist. Her voice was her paint brush.
More than one way you can be an artist
See: Rihanna
Whitney's voice was the vehicle that drove all those songs written by other people, into hits
!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:31:38 AMQuote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on August 09, 2025, 11:54:45 PMWhat Whit could do with her voice...made her an artist. Her voice was her paint brush.
More than one way you can be an artist
See: Rihanna
Whitney's voice was the vehicle that drove all those songs written by other people, into hits
obviously whitney did something well as an artist to become one of the best selling of all time
but i think the context of this thread was pointing more towards material. songs. the music
the level of creativity and creative ambition in the material itself. how un-"safe" was it?
that's usually the assumed context when "artistry" is mentioned, from what i've seen
it's more a combination of how creative/unique/interesting the material was, and how well the artist used their voice on the material is considered too.
whitney will always be the voice and we can literally sit and talk about what she did with her voice all day. but even she herself knew the "artistry" was lacking IMO. which is why she tried to switch it up and come more into her own instead of just singing off those interchangeable/assembly line produced/generic pop tunes they were giving her.
that's you just making an assumption tho bby. all it said was category: artistry go. there were no specifications made.
an to boon's point, i don't think voices don't get enough acknowledgement when it comes to what they contribute ARTISTICALLY to the material. it is very much a part of the artistry.
also, i think y'all kinda playin in whit's face. i learned from the best, your love is my love, heartbreak hotel, it's not right weren't no generic pop messes. these eclectic, soulful hits. :stressed:
Quote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 01:41:02 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:31:38 AMQuote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on August 09, 2025, 11:54:45 PMWhat Whit could do with her voice...made her an artist. Her voice was her paint brush.
More than one way you can be an artist
See: Rihanna
Whitney's voice was the vehicle that drove all those songs written by other people, into hits
obviously whitney did something well as an artist to become one of the best selling of all time
but i think the context of this thread was pointing more towards material. songs. the music
the level of creativity and creative ambition in the material itself. how un-"safe" was it?
that's usually the assumed context when "artistry" is mentioned, from what i've seen
it's more a combination of how creative/unique/interesting the material was, and how well the artist used their voice on the material is considered too.
whitney will always be the voice and we can literally sit and talk about what she did with her voice all day. but even she herself knew the "artistry" was lacking IMO. which is why she tried to switch it up and come more into her own instead of just singing off those interchangeable/assembly line produced/generic pop tunes they were giving her.
that's you just making an assumption tho bby. all it said was category: artistry go. there were no specifications made.
an to boon's point, i don't think voices don't get enough acknowledgement when it comes to what they contribute ARTISTICALLY to the material. it is very much a part of the artistry.
also, i think y'all kinda playin in whit's face. i learned from the best, your love is my love, heartbreak hotel, it's not right weren't no generic pop messes. these eclectic, soulful hits. :stressed:
i'm not assuming in saying Whitney was not satisfied with the direction her music was going in herself, and felt the label was giving her generic microwaved pop tunes.
she expressed this herself and pushed for more creative control.
all those songs you just listed came after she decided to start pushing to switch things up
but when many casual listeners think of Whitney, they obviously think of her biggest hits. which is the case for most artists people aren't stans of
i also noted on previous pages that whitney DID make an effort to switch it up.
so u aint tellin me nothing new by listing those songs. sdsnsdnnsdds
those are my teas. her best work IMO
"my love is your love" is by far her most listenable album
BITCH when the piano HITS
i think the biggest difference here is Janet and ESPECIALLY Mariah released WAY more albums
Mariah was like the kwee of releasing every other year MINIMUM at one point.
Madonna released a lot as well ...she was on that every 2-3 years schedule.
and that's super freakin frequent considering how BIG and extensive album rollouts/eras were in those days.
the gorls weren't just releasing 10 songs, shooting a video and calling it an era. sfnsfnsfsfsnfnsfnfs
so we got much more of a chance to see them SETTLE into their creative tea.
and perfect it
Whitney just didn't release as much.
kinda fuckin crazy that she had a gap from 1990 to 1998 without an official studio alber mess (if you don't count The Bodyguard soundtrack)
Quote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:45:29 AMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 01:41:02 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:31:38 AMQuote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on August 09, 2025, 11:54:45 PMWhat Whit could do with her voice...made her an artist. Her voice was her paint brush.
More than one way you can be an artist
See: Rihanna
Whitney's voice was the vehicle that drove all those songs written by other people, into hits
obviously whitney did something well as an artist to become one of the best selling of all time
but i think the context of this thread was pointing more towards material. songs. the music
the level of creativity and creative ambition in the material itself. how un-"safe" was it?
that's usually the assumed context when "artistry" is mentioned, from what i've seen
it's more a combination of how creative/unique/interesting the material was, and how well the artist used their voice on the material is considered too.
whitney will always be the voice and we can literally sit and talk about what she did with her voice all day. but even she herself knew the "artistry" was lacking IMO. which is why she tried to switch it up and come more into her own instead of just singing off those interchangeable/assembly line produced/generic pop tunes they were giving her.
that's you just making an assumption tho bby. all it said was category: artistry go. there were no specifications made.
an to boon's point, i don't think voices don't get enough acknowledgement when it comes to what they contribute ARTISTICALLY to the material. it is very much a part of the artistry.
also, i think y'all kinda playin in whit's face. i learned from the best, your love is my love, heartbreak hotel, it's not right weren't no generic pop messes. these eclectic, soulful hits. :stressed:
i'm not assuming in saying Whitney was not satisfied with the direction her music was going in herself, and felt the label was giving her generic microwaved pop tunes.
she expressed this herself and pushed for more creative control.
all those songs you just listed came after she decided to start pushing to switch things up
but when many casual listeners think of Whitney, they obviously think of her biggest hits. which is the case for most artists people aren't stans of
wasn't referring to o that part when I said assuming. was referring to the party where u literally said assumed babe. also, even before she decided to "switch it up" her VOICE was still contributing to the artistry even if the tracks were more pop. which is why that's why i said that where she reigned supreme. out of vocals, performance, and musical creativity the stronfs in this list is white, janet and madonna. Mariah is not the better than either three in any of those categories, IMO. but that's my last thesis post for the night.
(https://barsandchords.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/whitney_houston.jpg)
whit, the ARTIST
Quote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 02:13:21 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:45:29 AMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 01:41:02 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:31:38 AMQuote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on August 09, 2025, 11:54:45 PMWhat Whit could do with her voice...made her an artist. Her voice was her paint brush.
More than one way you can be an artist
See: Rihanna
Whitney's voice was the vehicle that drove all those songs written by other people, into hits
obviously whitney did something well as an artist to become one of the best selling of all time
but i think the context of this thread was pointing more towards material. songs. the music
the level of creativity and creative ambition in the material itself. how un-"safe" was it?
that's usually the assumed context when "artistry" is mentioned, from what i've seen
it's more a combination of how creative/unique/interesting the material was, and how well the artist used their voice on the material is considered too.
whitney will always be the voice and we can literally sit and talk about what she did with her voice all day. but even she herself knew the "artistry" was lacking IMO. which is why she tried to switch it up and come more into her own instead of just singing off those interchangeable/assembly line produced/generic pop tunes they were giving her.
that's you just making an assumption tho bby. all it said was category: artistry go. there were no specifications made.
an to boon's point, i don't think voices don't get enough acknowledgement when it comes to what they contribute ARTISTICALLY to the material. it is very much a part of the artistry.
also, i think y'all kinda playin in whit's face. i learned from the best, your love is my love, heartbreak hotel, it's not right weren't no generic pop messes. these eclectic, soulful hits. :stressed:
i'm not assuming in saying Whitney was not satisfied with the direction her music was going in herself, and felt the label was giving her generic microwaved pop tunes.
she expressed this herself and pushed for more creative control.
all those songs you just listed came after she decided to start pushing to switch things up
but when many casual listeners think of Whitney, they obviously think of her biggest hits. which is the case for most artists people aren't stans of
wasn't referring to o that part when I said assuming. was referring to the party where u literally said assumed babe. also, even before she decided to "switch it up" her VOICE was still contributing to the artistry even if the tracks were more pop. which is why that's why i said that where she reigned supreme. out of vocals, performance, and musical creativity the stronfs in this list is white, janet and madonna. Mariah is not the better than either three in any of those categories, IMO. but that's my last thesis post for the night.
(https://barsandchords.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/whitney_houston.jpg)
whit, the ARTIST
boomz clearly assumed people were not considering Whitney's voice as a significant part of her "artistry"
So I'm not alone toots. Context
I don't care about your definitions. Madonna is the weakest link to me. I enjoy her music the least. The other 3 are some of my favourite artists of all time.
Quote from: Amazing on August 10, 2025, 05:09:04 AMI don't care about your definitions. Madonna is the weakest link to me. I enjoy her music the least. The other 3 are some of my favourite artists of all time.
exactly
Quote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 03:34:16 AMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 02:13:21 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:45:29 AMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 01:41:02 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:31:38 AMQuote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on August 09, 2025, 11:54:45 PMWhat Whit could do with her voice...made her an artist. Her voice was her paint brush.
More than one way you can be an artist
See: Rihanna
Whitney's voice was the vehicle that drove all those songs written by other people, into hits
obviously whitney did something well as an artist to become one of the best selling of all time
but i think the context of this thread was pointing more towards material. songs. the music
the level of creativity and creative ambition in the material itself. how un-"safe" was it?
that's usually the assumed context when "artistry" is mentioned, from what i've seen
it's more a combination of how creative/unique/interesting the material was, and how well the artist used their voice on the material is considered too.
whitney will always be the voice and we can literally sit and talk about what she did with her voice all day. but even she herself knew the "artistry" was lacking IMO. which is why she tried to switch it up and come more into her own instead of just singing off those interchangeable/assembly line produced/generic pop tunes they were giving her.
that's you just making an assumption tho bby. all it said was category: artistry go. there were no specifications made.
an to boon's point, i don't think voices don't get enough acknowledgement when it comes to what they contribute ARTISTICALLY to the material. it is very much a part of the artistry.
also, i think y'all kinda playin in whit's face. i learned from the best, your love is my love, heartbreak hotel, it's not right weren't no generic pop messes. these eclectic, soulful hits. :stressed:
i'm not assuming in saying Whitney was not satisfied with the direction her music was going in herself, and felt the label was giving her generic microwaved pop tunes.
she expressed this herself and pushed for more creative control.
all those songs you just listed came after she decided to start pushing to switch things up
but when many casual listeners think of Whitney, they obviously think of her biggest hits. which is the case for most artists people aren't stans of
wasn't referring to o that part when I said assuming. was referring to the party where u literally said assumed babe. also, even before she decided to "switch it up" her VOICE was still contributing to the artistry even if the tracks were more pop. which is why that's why i said that where she reigned supreme. out of vocals, performance, and musical creativity the stronfs in this list is white, janet and madonna. Mariah is not the better than either three in any of those categories, IMO. but that's my last thesis post for the night.
(https://barsandchords.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/whitney_houston.jpg)
whit, the ARTIST
boomz clearly assumed people were not considering Whitney's voice as a significant part of her "artistry"
how is he assuming it when y'all r in here SAYING IT, toots?? bvvvccvcx
:omf:
Quote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 10:57:08 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 03:34:16 AMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 02:13:21 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:45:29 AMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 01:41:02 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:31:38 AMQuote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on August 09, 2025, 11:54:45 PMWhat Whit could do with her voice...made her an artist. Her voice was her paint brush.
More than one way you can be an artist
See: Rihanna
Whitney's voice was the vehicle that drove all those songs written by other people, into hits
obviously whitney did something well as an artist to become one of the best selling of all time
but i think the context of this thread was pointing more towards material. songs. the music
the level of creativity and creative ambition in the material itself. how un-"safe" was it?
that's usually the assumed context when "artistry" is mentioned, from what i've seen
it's more a combination of how creative/unique/interesting the material was, and how well the artist used their voice on the material is considered too.
whitney will always be the voice and we can literally sit and talk about what she did with her voice all day. but even she herself knew the "artistry" was lacking IMO. which is why she tried to switch it up and come more into her own instead of just singing off those interchangeable/assembly line produced/generic pop tunes they were giving her.
that's you just making an assumption tho bby. all it said was category: artistry go. there were no specifications made.
an to boon's point, i don't think voices don't get enough acknowledgement when it comes to what they contribute ARTISTICALLY to the material. it is very much a part of the artistry.
also, i think y'all kinda playin in whit's face. i learned from the best, your love is my love, heartbreak hotel, it's not right weren't no generic pop messes. these eclectic, soulful hits. :stressed:
i'm not assuming in saying Whitney was not satisfied with the direction her music was going in herself, and felt the label was giving her generic microwaved pop tunes.
she expressed this herself and pushed for more creative control.
all those songs you just listed came after she decided to start pushing to switch things up
but when many casual listeners think of Whitney, they obviously think of her biggest hits. which is the case for most artists people aren't stans of
wasn't referring to o that part when I said assuming. was referring to the party where u literally said assumed babe. also, even before she decided to "switch it up" her VOICE was still contributing to the artistry even if the tracks were more pop. which is why that's why i said that where she reigned supreme. out of vocals, performance, and musical creativity the stronfs in this list is white, janet and madonna. Mariah is not the better than either three in any of those categories, IMO. but that's my last thesis post for the night.
(https://barsandchords.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/whitney_houston.jpg)
whit, the ARTIST
boomz clearly assumed people were not considering Whitney's voice as a significant part of her "artistry"
how is he assuming it when y'all r in here SAYING IT, toots?? bvvvccvcx
:omf:
"yall"
so when u find this post of me explicitly saying whitney gets no "artistry" points for her voice and how she used it
lemme know. im ready to eat egg.
honestly artists like GHan and Kim Burrell already prove that how a singer uses their voice on material can significantly contribute to the perceived level of "artistry" they have.
Boomz wasn't introducing some new, edgy concept
cssjnsjnscnscjnscjnscjjc
Yeahhhhhh. Whit was NO artist. She was a singer.
If we compare her to someone like Madonna especially.
Madonna literally reinvented her style and sound so many times, even coming off of super successful eras. There was no fear to do something different and literally was being followed by every other female pop artist in the industry. She was hands on with everything.
Whit was just along for the ride and singing the songs that were being handed to her. Is there artistry in the vocal approach and being the VOICE? Yes. But artistry is much more than just being able to sing the fuck outta a song.
Quote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 11:09:33 AMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 10:57:08 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 03:34:16 AMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 02:13:21 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:45:29 AMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 01:41:02 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:31:38 AMQuote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on August 09, 2025, 11:54:45 PMWhat Whit could do with her voice...made her an artist. Her voice was her paint brush.
More than one way you can be an artist
See: Rihanna
Whitney's voice was the vehicle that drove all those songs written by other people, into hits
obviously whitney did something well as an artist to become one of the best selling of all time
but i think the context of this thread was pointing more towards material. songs. the music
the level of creativity and creative ambition in the material itself. how un-"safe" was it?
that's usually the assumed context when "artistry" is mentioned, from what i've seen
it's more a combination of how creative/unique/interesting the material was, and how well the artist used their voice on the material is considered too.
whitney will always be the voice and we can literally sit and talk about what she did with her voice all day. but even she herself knew the "artistry" was lacking IMO. which is why she tried to switch it up and come more into her own instead of just singing off those interchangeable/assembly line produced/generic pop tunes they were giving her.
that's you just making an assumption tho bby. all it said was category: artistry go. there were no specifications made.
an to boon's point, i don't think voices don't get enough acknowledgement when it comes to what they contribute ARTISTICALLY to the material. it is very much a part of the artistry.
also, i think y'all kinda playin in whit's face. i learned from the best, your love is my love, heartbreak hotel, it's not right weren't no generic pop messes. these eclectic, soulful hits. :stressed:
i'm not assuming in saying Whitney was not satisfied with the direction her music was going in herself, and felt the label was giving her generic microwaved pop tunes.
she expressed this herself and pushed for more creative control.
all those songs you just listed came after she decided to start pushing to switch things up
but when many casual listeners think of Whitney, they obviously think of her biggest hits. which is the case for most artists people aren't stans of
wasn't referring to o that part when I said assuming. was referring to the party where u literally said assumed babe. also, even before she decided to "switch it up" her VOICE was still contributing to the artistry even if the tracks were more pop. which is why that's why i said that where she reigned supreme. out of vocals, performance, and musical creativity the stronfs in this list is white, janet and madonna. Mariah is not the better than either three in any of those categories, IMO. but that's my last thesis post for the night.
(https://barsandchords.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/whitney_houston.jpg)
whit, the ARTIST
boomz clearly assumed people were not considering Whitney's voice as a significant part of her "artistry"
how is he assuming it when y'all r in here SAYING IT, toots?? bvvvccvcx
:omf:
"yall"
so when u find this post of me explicitly saying whitney gets no "artistry" points for her voice and how she used it
lemme know. im ready to eat egg.
n
ok, take "y'all" out and replace it with "they". the POINT is boomz didn't make an assumption as you claimed he did.
bvvvccccc u love trynna evade the point
Quote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 12:37:46 PMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 11:09:33 AMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 10:57:08 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 03:34:16 AMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 02:13:21 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:45:29 AMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 01:41:02 AMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:31:38 AMQuote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on August 09, 2025, 11:54:45 PMWhat Whit could do with her voice...made her an artist. Her voice was her paint brush.
More than one way you can be an artist
See: Rihanna
Whitney's voice was the vehicle that drove all those songs written by other people, into hits
obviously whitney did something well as an artist to become one of the best selling of all time
but i think the context of this thread was pointing more towards material. songs. the music
the level of creativity and creative ambition in the material itself. how un-"safe" was it?
that's usually the assumed context when "artistry" is mentioned, from what i've seen
it's more a combination of how creative/unique/interesting the material was, and how well the artist used their voice on the material is considered too.
whitney will always be the voice and we can literally sit and talk about what she did with her voice all day. but even she herself knew the "artistry" was lacking IMO. which is why she tried to switch it up and come more into her own instead of just singing off those interchangeable/assembly line produced/generic pop tunes they were giving her.
that's you just making an assumption tho bby. all it said was category: artistry go. there were no specifications made.
an to boon's point, i don't think voices don't get enough acknowledgement when it comes to what they contribute ARTISTICALLY to the material. it is very much a part of the artistry.
also, i think y'all kinda playin in whit's face. i learned from the best, your love is my love, heartbreak hotel, it's not right weren't no generic pop messes. these eclectic, soulful hits. :stressed:
i'm not assuming in saying Whitney was not satisfied with the direction her music was going in herself, and felt the label was giving her generic microwaved pop tunes.
she expressed this herself and pushed for more creative control.
all those songs you just listed came after she decided to start pushing to switch things up
but when many casual listeners think of Whitney, they obviously think of her biggest hits. which is the case for most artists people aren't stans of
wasn't referring to o that part when I said assuming. was referring to the party where u literally said assumed babe. also, even before she decided to "switch it up" her VOICE was still contributing to the artistry even if the tracks were more pop. which is why that's why i said that where she reigned supreme. out of vocals, performance, and musical creativity the stronfs in this list is white, janet and madonna. Mariah is not the better than either three in any of those categories, IMO. but that's my last thesis post for the night.
(https://barsandchords.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/whitney_houston.jpg)
whit, the ARTIST
boomz clearly assumed people were not considering Whitney's voice as a significant part of her "artistry"
how is he assuming it when y'all r in here SAYING IT, toots?? bvvvccvcx
:omf:
"yall"
so when u find this post of me explicitly saying whitney gets no "artistry" points for her voice and how she used it
lemme know. im ready to eat egg.
n
ok, take "y'all" out and replace it with "they". the POINT is boomz didn't make an assumption as you claimed he did.
bvvvccccc u love trynna evade the point
im reviewing the thread and i see people in here acknowledging Whitney as having the best voice, even if they didn't pick her as the best "artist"
they're kinda saying what Boomz is saying, but just in a different way.
Boomz chose to constantly focus on Whitney's voice, like many others in here did.
honestly, what's the difference?
snnsjffjnsfjsnsjfnjsnfjjnsf the wording i guess?
i know you're saying context is being "assumed" by me. but based on the replies in this thread, it's actually SAFE to assume that the definition of "artistry" for many people is a combination of multiple factors coming together.
evidence of this: people are literally saying Whitney is the best singer then picking someone else as the best "artist".
sfsfnfsjfsnfjsnjfsnsjnjnjsfsf
so it's safe to assume many people's definition of "great artistry" is a pleasant/good vocal, unique material, and overall delivery that all falls under the umbrella of said artist's name.
does that make sense?
no it doesn't make sense vvvccc. i pointed out that you were assuming as it related to PROMPT prompt, which never specified what artistry it was referring to. never argued WHAT most people would assume.
in fact i understand very well what most people would assume when it comes to artistry, which is why i said on a previous page:
Quote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 01:41:02 AMan to boon's point, i don't think voices get enough acknowledgement when it comes to what they contribute ARTISTICALLY to the material. it is very much a part of the artistry.
additionally
Quote from: Nine on August 07, 2025, 03:08:49 PMWhitney wasn't an artist. She was just a singer, and that's fine.
Quote from: Cartierline on August 09, 2025, 06:46:52 AMWhitney was the VOICE, but she was no artist.
Quote from: Ulysses on August 10, 2025, 11:21:49 AMYeahhhhhh. Whit was NO artist. She was a singer.
yea, they're not saying what boomz was saying vvvvvcccccccc
happy sunday hun
well i was clearly speaking to a reasonably assumed context, and have been speaking to that this entire time.
challenge: ask most people you know what they consider "great artistry" to be
and tell me how many people tell you all they consider for that is how great someone's voice is.
that's all. i'll gladly eat egg if my assumptions are wrong or unreasonable.
sdsdsdsdsdssd the nips r PISSED
Girl she was just a singer, accept her for who she was and move on. A good singer, performer.
The other 3 are creative, innovative artists, producers and songwriters :tistheseas:
It needs to be said that although Whitney did not write her songs and her material was the most "safe" and not really experimental or edgy like the others...
She does have a catalog full memorable classic hits, also it was authentic to her as a person. She was a church girl who just loved her husband and family, and she sang songs about love, heartbreak, God etc. She was relatable and ppl loved her personality and her "regal" image. Last thing, she definitely was the most "emotive" singer on the list. Not just loud and doing runs for no reason but really singing with passion that makes ppl FEEL something. I'm listening to her 200 times before I even think about Madonna singing off key about being a slut
Thank you for your time lol
I'm not even a big nippy fan but she was an artist. Let's not play in here lol
Quote from: RAY7 on August 10, 2025, 02:17:45 PMIt needs to be said that although Whitney did not write her songs and her material was the most "safe" and not really experimental or edgy like the others...
She does have a catalog full memorable classic hits, also it was authentic to her as a person. She was a church girl who just loved her husband and family, and she sang songs about love, heartbreak, God etc. She was relatable and ppl loved her personality and her "regal" image. Last thing, she definitely was the most "emotive" singer on the list. Not just loud and doing runs for no reason but really singing with passion that makes ppl FEEL something. I'm listening to her 200 times before I even think about Madonna singing off key about being a slut
Thank you for your time lol
Well you're known for your ghetto tastes so..
Quote from: RAY7 on August 10, 2025, 02:17:45 PMIt needs to be said that although Whitney did not write her songs and her material was the most "safe" and not really experimental or edgy like the others...
She does have a catalog full memorable classic hits, also it was authentic to her as a person. She was a church girl who just loved her husband and family, and she sang songs about love, heartbreak, God etc. She was relatable and ppl loved her personality and her "regal" image. Last thing, she definitely was the most "emotive" singer on the list. Not just loud and doing runs for no reason but really singing with passion that makes ppl FEEL something. I'm listening to her 200 times before I even think about Madonna singing off key about being a slut
Thank you for your time lol
fkldfsklfdsmdfslkfdm'dfklmdf';ldsm'dfl;dssdfdsfdsdfs
I'm kinda turning on Take a Bow before any Whitney mess but that's just me
Quote from: I. Hate. Monica. on August 10, 2025, 02:19:49 PMI'm not even a big nippy fan but she was an artist. Let's not play in here lol
We're not playing
:trannyjblige:
Great singer, an artist she was not.
She was kinda like the Rihanna of 80s/90s. Just singing whatever was placed in front of her. Doesn't make her any less iconic.
Quote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 11:17:55 AMhonestly artists like GHan and Kim Burrell already prove that how a singer uses their voice on material can significantly contribute to the perceived level of "artistry" they have.
Boomz wasn't introducing some new, edgy concept
cssjnsjnscnscjnscjnscjjc
Bhhhhh
Oh gorl :uhh:
Are you really gonna say that these other gorls aren't saying that?
Maybe YOU weren't! But the thread isn't "what does Afro think?"
They are def saying Whit's ability to sing and perform was less than everyone else's contributions because she didn't genre jump, do an 8 count, or have 9 different eras with different themes and costumes and wigs
And you're right, that would sound crazy coming from Brandy stans. Which is why my eyes were crossed while reading the whole thread.
Being able to use your GOD given voice to inspire millions is an ART! Cause everyone can't do it! And I'm not coming off it
Whitney AND Brandy inspired generations of singers that followed. That means something
Quote from: I. Hate. Monica. on August 10, 2025, 02:19:49 PMI'm not even a big nippy fan but she was an artist. Let's not play in here lol
!!!
Like wtf is happening?! :uhh:
Quote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:35:44 PMwell i was clearly speaking to a reasonably assumed context, and have been speaking to that this entire time.
challenge: ask most people you know what they consider "great artistry" to be
and tell me how many people tell you all they consider for that is how great someone's voice is.
that's all. i'll gladly eat egg if my assumptions are wrong or unreasonable.
hun, are you reading my posts or just typing? bvvvv
again, i NEVER. ARGUED. what most people assume artistry entails. which is why, again, i stated that i feel like people don't accurately recognized the artistry in the voice-- which actually ALIGNS with your argument. take a breath bby
:plzstop:
Quote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 04:21:08 PMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:35:44 PMwell i was clearly speaking to a reasonably assumed context, and have been speaking to that this entire time.
challenge: ask most people you know what they consider "great artistry" to be
and tell me how many people tell you all they consider for that is how great someone's voice is.
that's all. i'll gladly eat egg if my assumptions are wrong or unreasonable.
again, i NEVER. ARGUED. what most people assume artistry entails.
then why are we even here
sdnsdnsds
if you agree that there's a pretty consistent idea of what "artistry" entails to most people?
let me take u back to what started our exchange:
Quote from: oph.that's you just making an assumption tho bby. all it said was category: artistry go. there were no specifications made.
:shannonsmissing:
do specifications NEED to be made if everyone kinda knows what's implied when someone says "category is artistry"?
Quote from: Ｂｏｏｍｚ on August 10, 2025, 04:16:03 PMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 11:17:55 AMhonestly artists like GHan and Kim Burrell already prove that how a singer uses their voice on material can significantly contribute to the perceived level of "artistry" they have.
Boomz wasn't introducing some new, edgy concept
cssjnsjnscnscjnscjnscjjc
Bhhhhh
Oh gorl :uhh:
Are you really gonna say that these other gorls aren't saying that?
Maybe YOU weren't! But the thread isn't "what does Afro think?"
They are def saying Whit's ability to sing and perform was less than everyone else's contributions because she didn't genre jump, do an 8 count, or have 9 different eras with different themes and costumes and wigs
And you're right, that would sound crazy coming from Brandy stans. Which is why my eyes were crossed while reading the whole thread.
Being able to use your GOD given voice to inspire millions is an ART! Cause everyone can't do it! And I'm not coming off it
Whitney AND Brandy inspired generations of singers that followed. That means something
you're kinda inherently reducing GODnet's artistry to "two steps, costumes and wigs" when she went a LOT deeper than that.
sfnmssjnjsnfnssjfnnfsjnsnsjnsjn
whether intentionally or not, that in itself flaws ur argument here.
even putting subjectivity completely aside, people cant say GODnet didnt explore/tackle themes that went way beyond a "boy i luh u, now watch me shake my boovy" tea.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Whitney wasn't sitting down producing her vocals, crafting and stacking her backgrounds like Brandy does. I know Brandy had help but she was still at the forefront of her vocal producing, at least for most of her albums.
The perception of Whitney was that she goes to the studio, records the song in 30 minutes before heading to the mall before it closes.
Quote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 04:26:30 PMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 04:21:08 PMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:35:44 PMwell i was clearly speaking to a reasonably assumed context, and have been speaking to that this entire time.
challenge: ask most people you know what they consider "great artistry" to be
and tell me how many people tell you all they consider for that is how great someone's voice is.
that's all. i'll gladly eat egg if my assumptions are wrong or unreasonable.
again, i NEVER. ARGUED. what most people assume artistry entails.
then why are we even here
sdnsdnsds
if you agree that there's a pretty consistent idea of what "artistry" entails to most people?
let me take u back to what started our exchange:
Quote from: oph.that's you just making an assumption tho bby. all it said was category: artistry go. there were no specifications made.
:shannonsmissing:
jesus. you really do just wanna argue bvccccccc
i made that statement in response to this:
Quote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:31:38 AMbut i think the context of this thread was pointing more towards material. songs.
pointing out that the facebook prompt (which was the basis of this thread, therefore setting the context) never specific what artistry they were referring to, therefore what you said was an assumption-- which you agreed.
so yeah, why ARE we here? :plzstop:
Quote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 04:34:04 PMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 04:26:30 PMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 04:21:08 PMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:35:44 PMwell i was clearly speaking to a reasonably assumed context, and have been speaking to that this entire time.
challenge: ask most people you know what they consider "great artistry" to be
and tell me how many people tell you all they consider for that is how great someone's voice is.
that's all. i'll gladly eat egg if my assumptions are wrong or unreasonable.
again, i NEVER. ARGUED. what most people assume artistry entails.
then why are we even here
sdnsdnsds
if you agree that there's a pretty consistent idea of what "artistry" entails to most people?
let me take u back to what started our exchange:
Quote from: oph.that's you just making an assumption tho bby. all it said was category: artistry go. there were no specifications made.
:shannonsmissing:
jesus. you really do just wanna argue bvccccccc
i made that statement in response to this:
Quote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:31:38 AMbut i think the context of this thread was pointing more towards material. songs.
and we have people in here saying Whitney has the best voice but isn't the greatest artist
which speaks to...guess what: overall material.
so yes again, why are we here
"material" and "songs" speaks to a combination of vocals, themes/concepts, and overall musicality.
it's more general than "voice".
whats not clicking
as in: if you ask most people (especially those are who are really into music) what a "great artist" is
they'd be more likely to say "someone with great material/songs" - which in itself encompasses/covers MULTIPLE factors.
like, am i in the fucking twilight zone?
when did this any of this become groundbreaking news or a left field POV?
(https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Jackie-Chan-WTF.jpg)
wow i guess fro is right.. in this particular case
:nogrammynoneck:
Just want to say that Janet's musicality and ability to emote and make people FEEL, WITHOUT a "big" voice is a huge serve djdjdjdjdj
Quote from: Justaway_ on August 10, 2025, 04:54:58 PMwow i guess fro is right.. in any/all cases
:nogrammynoneck:
:woohoo:
Quote from: Nine on August 10, 2025, 04:32:05 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong but Whitney wasn't sitting down producing her vocals, crafting and stacking her backgrounds like Brandy does. I know Brandy had help but she was still at the forefront of her vocal producing, at least for most of her albums.
The perception of Whitney was that she goes to the studio, records the song in 30 minutes before heading to the mall before it closes.
This songwriter said she did stack her vocals sometimes like on her 2nd album
I do know that she often had backing vocalists on her songs like her mom, Chante Moore, Shanice etc but she was involved in the crafting of her music
Just not the lyrics
that's cute.
Now let's compare to what the other 3 have done with their craft.
2 of them can't sing and the other can't sing anymore
That's what they've done with their craft
Which 2 can't sing???
Quote from: L0NZ. on August 10, 2025, 05:09:49 PMWhich 2 can't sing???
gfcfhtdcdsdr
Wow is it that bad
Oh ok cuz if u were confident in that, you would have just said who.
Carry on.
What are you taking about?
I was clearly saying Janet and Madonna
But if Mariah is that bad to you that it's debatable then that hilarious and she must've really fallen off
Quote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 04:35:35 PMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 04:34:04 PMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 04:26:30 PMQuote from: oph. on August 10, 2025, 04:21:08 PMQuote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:35:44 PMwell i was clearly speaking to a reasonably assumed context, and have been speaking to that this entire time.
challenge: ask most people you know what they consider "great artistry" to be
and tell me how many people tell you all they consider for that is how great someone's voice is.
that's all. i'll gladly eat egg if my assumptions are wrong or unreasonable.
again, i NEVER. ARGUED. what most people assume artistry entails.
then why are we even here
sdnsdnsds
if you agree that there's a pretty consistent idea of what "artistry" entails to most people?
let me take u back to what started our exchange:
Quote from: oph.that's you just making an assumption tho bby. all it said was category: artistry go. there were no specifications made.
:shannonsmissing:
jesus. you really do just wanna argue bvccccccc
i made that statement in response to this:
Quote from: stillpretty on August 10, 2025, 01:31:38 AMbut i think the context of this thread was pointing more towards material. songs.
and we have people in here saying Whitney has the best voice but isn't the greatest artist
which speaks to...guess what: overall material.
so yes again, why are we here
"material" and "songs" speaks to a combination of vocals, themes/concepts, and overall musicality.
it's more general than "voice".
whats not clicking
you wanna argue so bad you don't even know what you're arguing anymore
reread my posts slowly. if you get, great. if you don't, God BLESS
:omf:
wanting to argue wouldn't be asking you why are we arguing when you seem to agree with me
sfnsmjjsjnfnjsfjnf :shannonsmissing:
you agreed that there is a universal definition/consensus on what's implied when someone says "great artistry"
that was my point. there's literally nothing else to discuss
Madonna, Whitney and Janet are all singles artist.
Quote from: Nine on August 10, 2025, 04:32:05 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong but Whitney wasn't sitting down producing her vocals, crafting and stacking her backgrounds like Brandy does. I know Brandy had help but she was still at the forefront of her vocal producing, at least for most of her albums.
The perception of Whitney was that she goes to the studio, records the song in 30 minutes before heading to the mall before it closes.
Whitney did vocal production and arrangements. She just didn't pen lyrics. She is credited as a co-writer for Queen of the Night and few songs on her 2002's Just Whitney album.
Janet definitely can sing. She's not given enough credit for her background vocals/arrangements.
Only person among this group that can't sing is Madonna period. But her music has always been interesting though.
Quote from: FAMÈ on August 11, 2025, 12:38:37 AMMadonna, Whitney and Janet are all singles artist.
n
Definitely not.
Quote from: RAY7 on August 10, 2025, 05:06:06 PM2 of them can't sing and the other can't sing anymore
That's what they've done with their craft
And neither could whit toward the end of her career and she was still fairly young :uhh:
It's TORTURE sitting through the "I Look to You" album
All this back and forth because folks don't want to accept that Whit wasn't hanging with the more artistic girls
Quote from: Ulysses on August 11, 2025, 05:10:49 AMQuote from: RAY7 on August 10, 2025, 05:06:06 PM2 of them can't sing and the other can't sing anymore
That's what they've done with their craft
And neither could whit toward the end of her career and she was still fairly young :uhh:
It's TORTURE sitting through the "I Look to You" album
even on that album she's doing more than Janet and Madonna ever could
and this is after years of cigarette smoking and coke.
They have no excuse
forbidden luh....
forbidden luh. :unsure:
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExdm5qdDdvZmwzcm5kOWxxajRsc282Z2VrMTQzanJ4M3d4bjNpemN1NCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/mA1HghOYzZcENy5Xz7/giphy.gif)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O_d6JLGANk
Quote from: RAY7 on August 11, 2025, 10:51:10 AMQuote from: Ulysses on August 11, 2025, 05:10:49 AMQuote from: RAY7 on August 10, 2025, 05:06:06 PM2 of them can't sing and the other can't sing anymore
That's what they've done with their craft
And neither could whit toward the end of her career and she was still fairly young :uhh:
It's TORTURE sitting through the "I Look to You" album
even on that album she's doing more than Janet and Madonna ever could
and this is after years of cigarette smoking and coke.
They have no excuse
Can't say I've ever heard Jans or Madonna this bad. Mariah came close a couple times, but still didn't manage to sound THIS bad.