Erika Alexander (Living Single) also gave her two cents. keep swiping to see her take.
honestly I'm happy that Tichina's personal experience wasn't a bad one. we shouldn't WANT Black women to feel bad or targeted for any reason - especially not for the sake of debate
but there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.
Erika is the primary reason that ReLiving Single Podcast made my top 5 watched list on YouTube for 2025. She's just amazing to listen to. And look at tbh. Beautiful self. Her take on this topic is, IMO, perfectly reasonable and fair.
Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/
I don't remember much of Martin outside of the famous clips and essential episodes, did he ever joke about her skin color? I feel like Pam may be missing the point.
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 01, 2026, 08:16:54 AMI don't remember much of Martin outside of the famous clips and essential episodes, did he ever joke about her skin color? I feel like Pam may be missing the point.
he never directly made fun of her skin color
it was usually jokes about her hair texture (beady beads) , or calling her an animal/beast
which may confuse some people who are from a different era because people keep saying "colorism" when he never literally called her darkie or anything. but all the nappy head, "u look like a dog" comments....they easily fall under the umbrella. it's a tad complex and it takes a certain lens
but honestly I'm not shocked Erika has a different take cuz she comes off as more of a critical thinker.
i like that Erika didn't point fingers or accuse anyone of being intentionally malicious, while calling a thing a thing.
people may have been upset with Ari cuz they FELT she was attacking Martin, even though she never really accused him of doing anything intentionally. she just said the jokes made her uncomfortable. and people were upset about that :uhh:
Yea it's great that Tichina wasn't affected. That's where it stops. She doesnt understand that her perception, or even her experience of the way it happened, doesn't change how colorism is insidiously perpetrated and normalized no matter how jokingly it's presented, and then blasted on national Tv for everyone to consume. Just because you didn't know you had beady-beads doesn't mean Martin wasnt harboring internal feelings about them. Looking at Martins relationships, I mean....
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Animal! Beady bead!
and honestly that's a danger of "cancel culture"
Ari touched on something personal which was genuine and everyone became super defensive of 'Martin' because we're not used to acknowledging things about our favs or favorite shows AND still allowing ourselves to love them regardless.
it's either "we love them they're perfect" or "CANCELLED!"
Ari got such swift backlash because people didn't want Martin "canceled".
Erika Alexander represents the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time. She's not "angry" or "lashing out" or calling for people's jobs, she's just saying "wow there was some shit on my show that was questionable. Interesting. But it was part of the times in the 90s" and keeping it pushing. and still doing ReLiving Single podcast with all those questionable moments included.
GODpita's cousin self :blush: :blush:
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Quote from: L0NZ. on January 01, 2026, 08:28:25 AMYea it's great that Tichina wasn't affected. That's where it stops. She doesnt understand that her perception, or even her experience of the way it happened, doesn't change how colorism is insidiously perpetrated and normalized no matter how jokingly it's presented, and then blasted on national Tv for everyone to consume. Just because you didn't know you had beady-beads doesn't mean Martin wasnt harboring internal feelings about them. Looking at Martins relationships, I mean....
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i LOVE Tichina so honestly didn't want to come off as being critical of her
especially since I believe she didn't have a bad experience with Martin
but yeah. I'm SO glad Erika spoke up cuz everyone just woulda used Tichina's mess as more ammo against Ari in their case of calling her a delusional nutjob.
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Animal! Beady bead!
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i love Martin but wouldn't be surprised at all if he had a complex.
people's "jokes" say a lot about them whether they realize it or not
especially with other puzzle pieces like this lying around
Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.
Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/
Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.
Quote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 09:21:01 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.
Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/
Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.
low key i can kinda understand
some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect
ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.
that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent
im just so so so glad Erika said something.
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 01, 2026, 08:16:54 AMI don't remember much of Martin outside of the famous clips and essential episodes, did he ever joke about her skin color? I feel like Pam may be missing the point.
i remember, i used to be glued to tv every week. so, the thing is everyone (the viewers) looked at pam as a dime piece, 10/10. that was the irony and humor of the exaggerated jokes martin made. i think the way society has shifted with us seeing a spike in internal colorism amongst the black community, people are kinda removing the show from its context in history at that time and looking at it through the scope of today's lense, which i think is causing a skewed interpretation of that specific show/dynamic.
Quote from: klappa. on January 01, 2026, 09:35:25 AMQuote from: L0NZ. on January 01, 2026, 08:16:54 AMI don't remember much of Martin outside of the famous clips and essential episodes, did he ever joke about her skin color? I feel like Pam may be missing the point.
i remember, i used to be glued to tv every week. so, the thing is everyone (the viewers) looked at pam as a dime piece, 10/10. that was the irony and humor of the exaggerated jokes martin made. i think the way society has shifted with us seeing a spike in internal colorism amongst the black community, people are kinda removing the show from its context in history at that time and looking at it through the scope of today's lense, which i think is causing a skewed interpretation of that specific show/dynamic.
Erika Alexander is a smart woman. she wasn't "shifted" by anyone and has a VERY bright mind of her own.
just say "you're being overly sensitive" and be done with it .
That's your message.
Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 09:26:54 AMQuote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 09:21:01 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.
Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/
Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.
low key i can kinda understand
some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect
ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.
that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent
im just so so so glad Erika said something.
Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.
Quote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 09:44:16 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 09:26:54 AMQuote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 09:21:01 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.
Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/
Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.
low key i can kinda understand
some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect
ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.
that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent
im just so so so glad Erika said something.
Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.
that has to be hard though
Her friend Martin was at the helm of that show, that her BEST friend kinda brought her into
If tichina has blinders on and doesn't care to dig DEEP I get it.
Doing so could taint some of the best memories and times of her life with people she is still friends with. It's a unique situation .
I feel Erika would dig in regardless of situation but not everyone can be Erika.
But like you said tichinas response coulda still been nicer. It's almost like she was low key mocking Ari
Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 09:52:06 AMQuote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 09:44:16 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 09:26:54 AMQuote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 09:21:01 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.
Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/
Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.
low key i can kinda understand
some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect
ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.
that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent
im just so so so glad Erika said something.
Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.
that has to be hard though
Her friend Martin was at the helm of that show, that her BEST friend kinda brought her into
If tichina has blinders on and doesn't care to dig DEEP I get it.
Doing so could taint some of the best memories and times of her life with people she is still friends with. It's a unique situation .
I feel Erika would dig in regardless of situation but not everyone can be Erika.
But like you said tichinas response coulda still been nicer. It's almost like she was low key mocking Ari
It's just disappointing. Seems like a defense mechanism for Tichina so she doesn't throw anyone under the bush so I def get it. She didn't seem malicious as she jokingly tried to dismiss the claims which is ironic because that's how the jokes were rooted.
Quote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 10:14:18 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 09:52:06 AMQuote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 09:44:16 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 09:26:54 AMQuote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 09:21:01 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.
Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/
Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.
low key i can kinda understand
some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect
ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.
that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent
im just so so so glad Erika said something.
Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.
that has to be hard though
Her friend Martin was at the helm of that show, that her BEST friend kinda brought her into
If tichina has blinders on and doesn't care to dig DEEP I get it.
Doing so could taint some of the best memories and times of her life with people she is still friends with. It's a unique situation .
I feel Erika would dig in regardless of situation but not everyone can be Erika.
But like you said tichinas response coulda still been nicer. It's almost like she was low key mocking Ari
throw anyone under the bush
Bush or bus?
:ohwow:
Quote from: L0NZ. on January 01, 2026, 10:22:21 AMQuote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 10:14:18 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 09:52:06 AMQuote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 09:44:16 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 09:26:54 AMQuote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 09:21:01 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.
Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/
Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.
low key i can kinda understand
some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect
ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.
that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent
im just so so so glad Erika said something.
Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.
that has to be hard though
Her friend Martin was at the helm of that show, that her BEST friend kinda brought her into
If tichina has blinders on and doesn't care to dig DEEP I get it.
Doing so could taint some of the best memories and times of her life with people she is still friends with. It's a unique situation .
I feel Erika would dig in regardless of situation but not everyone can be Erika.
But like you said tichinas response coulda still been nicer. It's almost like she was low key mocking Ari
throw anyone under the bush
Bush or bus?
:ohwow:
You see the difference between you and I is how I don't try to gaslight and try to argue that "bush" is the correct saying. My phone autocorrected.
Would def love to throw you under a burning bush tho.
Quote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 10:24:45 AMQuote from: L0NZ. on January 01, 2026, 10:22:21 AMQuote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 10:14:18 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 09:52:06 AMQuote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 09:44:16 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 09:26:54 AMQuote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on January 01, 2026, 09:21:01 AMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.
Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/
Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.
low key i can kinda understand
some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect
ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.
that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent
im just so so so glad Erika said something.
Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.
that has to be hard though
Her friend Martin was at the helm of that show, that her BEST friend kinda brought her into
If tichina has blinders on and doesn't care to dig DEEP I get it.
Doing so could taint some of the best memories and times of her life with people she is still friends with. It's a unique situation .
I feel Erika would dig in regardless of situation but not everyone can be Erika.
But like you said tichinas response coulda still been nicer. It's almost like she was low key mocking Ari
throw anyone under the bush
Bush or bus?
:ohwow:
You see the difference between you and I is how I don't try to gaslight and try to argue that "bush" is the correct saying. My phone autocorrected.
Oh there's a BIG difference but that's not it. You've admitted how dumb you are in this instance, it's not your norm tho :nowgorl:
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Quote from: L0NZ. on January 01, 2026, 10:36:03 AM(https://media.tenor.com/ve2qVK1rAqUAAAAM/nicki-minaj-barbiaminaj.gif)
Bad bitches, yea, I keep em by the two.
:heyddy:
One thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.
Tichina doesn't feel victimized because she was 100% down with all the mess and gave what she got.
This is not to say other Black women watching and hearing those jokes wouldn't be offended. 2 things can be true
Quote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:23:33 PMOne thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.
no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.
this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"
it's not the same.
Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.
im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.
even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing
someone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.
as Black people how do we NOT get this? :shannonsmissing:
it's not to say Martin is evil or that he was even malicious in his intent. but it's just UNDERSTANDING why women like Erika Alexander and Ari are like "Wait a min.... :unsure: "
that's all. it costs NOTHING to just try to understand.
Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:31:36 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:23:33 PMOne thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.
no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.
this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"
it's not the same.
Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.
im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.
even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing
see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation
Quote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:43:54 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:31:36 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:23:33 PMOne thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.
no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.
this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"
it's not the same.
Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.
im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.
even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing
see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation
unfortunately it appears I have to illustrate as much as possible for you to GET it Ray.
even if we just keep it at "nappy head" how is that fucking acceptable as a kii?
like am i in the fucking twilight zone?
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Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:38:52 PMsomeone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.
now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina
It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?
Quote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:50:30 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:38:52 PMsomeone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.
now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina
It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?
Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.
"good hair! mixed with Indian!"
with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.
all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631NG_I6-mg
Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:46:34 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:43:54 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:31:36 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:23:33 PMOne thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.
no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.
this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"
it's not the same.
Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.
im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.
even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing
see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation
unfortunately it appears I have to illustrate as much as possible for you to GET it Ray.
even if we just keep it at "nappy head" how is that fucking acceptable as a kii?
like am i in the fucking twilight zone?
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I mean hindsight is 2020 and as a society we have all grown ethically in the 30 years since the show was on
But ppl were definitely laughing at that at the time, and it was all really ignorance.
Quote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:56:42 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:46:34 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:43:54 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:31:36 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:23:33 PMOne thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.
no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.
this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"
it's not the same.
Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.
im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.
even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing
see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation
unfortunately it appears I have to illustrate as much as possible for you to GET it Ray.
even if we just keep it at "nappy head" how is that fucking acceptable as a kii?
like am i in the fucking twilight zone?
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I mean hindsight is 2020 and as a society we have all grown ethically in the 30 years since the show was on
But ppl were definitely laughing at that at the time, and it was all really ignorance.
am mean
thats all Erika, Ari and the gorls is saying!
no one's tryna drag or cancel Martin. we still love King. no one is perfect.
it's OK for us to look at things and be like "that didn't age too well." and still enjoy the damn show.
Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:55:18 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:50:30 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:38:52 PMsomeone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.
now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina
It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?
Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.
"good hair! mixed with Indian!"
with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.
all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631NG_I6-mg
Im glad I watched the video or I would think the whole scene was about her being pretty because she had long hair and was mixed. When she didn't confirm if she was even mixed and Sheneneh made a whole insult about Native American stereotypes lol
Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 03:05:16 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:56:42 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:46:34 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:43:54 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:31:36 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:23:33 PMOne thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.
no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.
this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"
it's not the same.
Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.
im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.
even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing
see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation
unfortunately it appears I have to illustrate as much as possible for you to GET it Ray.
even if we just keep it at "nappy head" how is that fucking acceptable as a kii?
like am i in the fucking twilight zone?
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I mean hindsight is 2020 and as a society we have all grown ethically in the 30 years since the show was on
But ppl were definitely laughing at that at the time, and it was all really ignorance.
am mean
thats all Erika, Ari and the gorls is saying!
no one's tryna drag or cancel Martin. we still love King. no one is perfect.
it's OK for us to look at things and be like "that didn't age too well." and still enjoy the damn show.
that's not what I was getting at though. We're in here acting like Tichina was just too dumb or biased because Martin is her friend for her to notice she was being put down. But I'm saying it's because she was not being singled out or targeted just because she was the dark skinned woman. She jumped into the fray of a lot of toxicity and dished out some herself
Quote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 03:08:30 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:55:18 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:50:30 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:38:52 PMsomeone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.
now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina
It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?
Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.
"good hair! mixed with Indian!"
with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.
all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631NG_I6-mg
Im glad I watched the video or I would think the whole scene was about her being pretty because she had long hair and was mixed. When she didn't confirm if she was even mixed and Sheneneh made a whole insult about Native American stereotypes lol
Martin made it a point to talk about her hair and then connected her "weave hair" with non-Blackness.
Ray do I need to grab you a cup of coffee
why couldn't Lark be a "beady bead" gorl too?
Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 03:14:26 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 03:08:30 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:55:18 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:50:30 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:38:52 PMsomeone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.
now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina
It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?
Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.
"good hair! mixed with Indian!"
with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.
all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631NG_I6-mg
Im glad I watched the video or I would think the whole scene was about her being pretty because she had long hair and was mixed. When she didn't confirm if she was even mixed and Sheneneh made a whole insult about Native American stereotypes lol
Martin made it a point to talk about her hair and then connected her "weave hair" with non-Blackness.
Ray do I need to grab you a cup of coffee
why couldn't Lark be a "beady bead" gorl too?
because her hair was pressed?
Was Kenya or Beverly Johnson called mixed with Indian and long hair too?
Quote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 03:28:30 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 03:14:26 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 03:08:30 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:55:18 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:50:30 PMQuote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:38:52 PMsomeone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.
now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina
It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?
Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.
"good hair! mixed with Indian!"
with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.
all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631NG_I6-mg
Im glad I watched the video or I would think the whole scene was about her being pretty because she had long hair and was mixed. When she didn't confirm if she was even mixed and Sheneneh made a whole insult about Native American stereotypes lol
Martin made it a point to talk about her hair and then connected her "weave hair" with non-Blackness.
Ray do I need to grab you a cup of coffee
why couldn't Lark be a "beady bead" gorl too?
because her hair was pressed?
yea cuz Pam was walking around with an afro every episode.
Ray give it up.
and leave GODverly Johnson outta ur MESS
and believe it or not there are plenty of Black people who knew that making fun of Blackness wasn't OK way before "woke" culture began
my head woulda been lying somewhere out on the grass if my grandparents heard me calling someone a nappy head or darkie or gorilla
like, knocked CLEAN off.
there was zero tolerance
i can find humor in almost anything tbh but i've NEVER really found making fun of a Black person JUST cuz they look Black to be a kii.
Black is beautiful so where's the hehe haha, exactly?
Tichina has come back to apologize for the interview
i def thought it was interesting that she was quick to dismiss Ari's feelings
but immediately pulled out a violin regarding "reverse colorism" experiences for Tisha - saying that she could tell Black women in the audience during taping of Martin didn't like Tisha because she was light, even though no one in that audience directly mentioned anything regarding Tisha's appearance...or had a chance to say anything at all
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it's not so much that she mentioned the possibility of "reverse colorism" because lighter skin people do sometimes have negative experiences related to their appearance. im sure Tisha has had plenty of "bitch u think u cute cuz u light but u not" moments in her life. but it's the fact that Tichina was able to recognize THAT exists while damn near mocking Ari Lennox's shared experience.
but this is why i LOVE Tichina. She clearly means no harm and is just tryna live her life. she doesn't have to be a social justice warrior.
cuz honestly that's another thing people PUSH on Black women. for them to be on the frontlines FIGHTING for something. cuz they're so "strong".
as i mentioned earlier, not everyone can be a critical thinker like Erika Alexander ...but Tichina at least being open to hear and understand things and be open to the fact that she may have a lot of learning to do about this stuff speaks volumes about her as a person, and how much she cares about the community. As Tisha responded, she has a good heart.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DTRuOB-jGfG/
I'm glad she has young ppl around her to help her be more progressive and socially conscious.
Reverse colorism isn't a thing but Tisha did get hate and disrespect for being light skinned. That's what she meant but ppl are very "woke" and sensitive these days about the meaning of certain words
Quote from: RAY7 on January 09, 2026, 12:31:55 PMI'm glad she has young ppl around her to help her be more progressive and socially conscious.
Reverse colorism isn't a thing but Tisha did get hate and disrespect for being light skinned. That's what she meant but ppl are very "woke" and sensitive these days about the meaning of certain words
for me the issue wasn't her specific choice of words. it was literally her pulling out a violin for Tisha while damn near ignoring and mocking Ari.
she did what a lot of Black people do unfortunately. tell the dark skin unambiguously Black girl to stfu and stop being so "sensitive"
and coddle the lighter skin/mixed woman and take time to understand her plight
we understand and acknowledge that a light skin woman may hear things like "bitch u think u cute" and categorize it as hate. but a dark skin Black woman being uncomfortable with someone literally "joking" about "nappy" hair is a case of her being "too sensitive" or "dramatic".
maybe if this conversation were in a different setting with a different catalyst it woulda hit differently
Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 09, 2026, 12:49:34 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 09, 2026, 12:31:55 PMI'm glad she has young ppl around her to help her be more progressive and socially conscious.
Reverse colorism isn't a thing but Tisha did get hate and disrespect for being light skinned. That's what she meant but ppl are very "woke" and sensitive these days about the meaning of certain words
for me the issue wasn't her specific choice of words. it was literally her pulling out a violin for Tisha while damn near ignoring and mocking Ari.
she did what a lot of Black people do unfortunately. tell the dark skin unambiguously Black girl to stfu and stop being so "sensitive"
and coddle the lighter skin/mixed woman and take time to understand her plight
we understand and acknowledge that a light skin woman may hear things like "bitch u think u cute" and categorize it as hate. but a dark skin Black woman being uncomfortable with someone "joking" about "nappy" hair is a case of her being "too sensitive" or "dramatic".
maybe if this conversation were in a different setting with a different catalyst it woulda hit differently
She wasn't "pulling out a violin" I think the way the world is has shaped our understanding of what she was doing. If it was true that Tisha did specifically get hate from the women in the crowd who didn't like her because she was light skinned, but they loved Tichina, how is her telling that true story a "violin"?
I think ultimately the point was that EVERYONE on the show got some types shots fired at them and it wasn't a specifically dark skinned women hating show
Also clearly there is bias because she loves that show and everyone on it so she's defending it, and feels like Ari was attacking a show she loves
Quote from: RAY7 on January 09, 2026, 01:04:28 PMQuote from: Russian Roulette on January 09, 2026, 12:49:34 PMQuote from: RAY7 on January 09, 2026, 12:31:55 PMI'm glad she has young ppl around her to help her be more progressive and socially conscious.
Reverse colorism isn't a thing but Tisha did get hate and disrespect for being light skinned. That's what she meant but ppl are very "woke" and sensitive these days about the meaning of certain words
for me the issue wasn't her specific choice of words. it was literally her pulling out a violin for Tisha while damn near ignoring and mocking Ari.
she did what a lot of Black people do unfortunately. tell the dark skin unambiguously Black girl to stfu and stop being so "sensitive"
and coddle the lighter skin/mixed woman and take time to understand her plight
we understand and acknowledge that a light skin woman may hear things like "bitch u think u cute" and categorize it as hate. but a dark skin Black woman being uncomfortable with someone "joking" about "nappy" hair is a case of her being "too sensitive" or "dramatic".
maybe if this conversation were in a different setting with a different catalyst it woulda hit differently
She wasn't "pulling out a violin" I think the way the world is has shaped our understanding of what she was doing. If it was true that Tisha did specifically get hate from the women in the crowd who didn't like her because she was light skinned, but they loved Tichina, how is her telling that true story a "violin"?
I think ultimately the point was that EVERYONE on the show got some types shots fired at them and it wasn't a specifically dark skinned women hating show
Also clearly there is bias because she loves that show and everyone on it so she's defending it, and feels like Ari was attacking a show she loves
"pulling out the violin " just speaks to a sad story being told. Her describing Tisha crying , etc
Of course people who are assumed to have privilege are wrongfully targeted or assumed to "think that they cute", or get comments like "that hair is weave bitch" etc
It's crazy to me that in 2026 I don't have to argue with other Black people about THAT but I have to go tooth and nail for people to understand why Ari may have legitimate concerns that shouldn't be labeled as "too sensitive"
That in itself gives credence to ANY claims dark skin unambiguously Black women make about their experiences .
And yes I already acknowledged this conversation may be difficult for Tichina because it involves a show and people whom she loves dearly. I did that pages ago and gave her a lot of grace because of that.
But I actually Thank God for people like Tichina though who care enough for the community to listen in these conversations and come back to say "u know what... maybe I was talking too fast"
Cuz her fans def ain't getting it
and it's worth noting this is all coming from someone who said that a show like "Mixed-ish" was necessary when a lot of people on here said it wasn't years ago.
i 100% know for a fact people who are mixed, light or assumed to be mixed face different experiences (including negative and confusing ones) and deserve their opportunity to speak on them or have them represented in media.
But i'm all about fairness. Ari had a legitimate grievance and it INFURIATED me that people had the nerve to dismiss her. Thank God for women like Erika Alexander and Tichina Arnold for either being critical thinkers or being wise enough to accept they're NOT a critical thinker.