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Erika Alexander (Living Single) also gave her two cents. keep swiping to see her take.

honestly I'm happy that Tichina's personal experience wasn't a bad one. we shouldn't WANT Black women to feel bad or targeted for any reason - especially not for the sake of debate

but there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.

Erika is the primary reason that ReLiving Single Podcast made my top 5 watched list on YouTube for 2025. She's just amazing to listen to. And look at tbh. Beautiful self. Her take on this topic is, IMO, perfectly reasonable and fair.

Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/

I don't remember much of Martin outside of the famous clips and essential episodes, did he ever joke about her skin color? I feel like Pam may be missing the point.

Quote from: L0NZ. on January 01, 2026, 08:16:54 AMI don't remember much of Martin outside of the famous clips and essential episodes, did he ever joke about her skin color? I feel like Pam may be missing the point.

he never directly made fun of her skin color

it was usually jokes about her hair texture (beady beads) , or calling her an animal/beast

which may confuse some people who are from a different era because people keep saying "colorism" when he never literally called her darkie or anything. but all the nappy head, "u look like a dog" comments....they easily fall under the umbrella. it's a tad complex and it takes a certain lens

but honestly I'm not shocked Erika has a different take cuz she comes off as more of a critical thinker.

i like that Erika didn't point fingers or accuse anyone of being intentionally malicious, while calling a thing a thing.

people may have been upset with Ari cuz they FELT she was attacking Martin, even though she never really accused him of doing anything intentionally. she just said the jokes made her uncomfortable. and people were upset about that :uhh:

Yea it's great that Tichina wasn't affected. That's where it stops. She doesnt understand that her perception, or even her experience of the way it happened, doesn't change how colorism is insidiously perpetrated and normalized no matter how jokingly it's presented, and then blasted on national Tv for everyone to consume. Just because you didn't know you had beady-beads doesn't mean Martin wasnt harboring internal feelings about them. Looking at Martins relationships, I mean....

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Animal! Beady bead!

and honestly that's a danger of "cancel culture"

Ari touched on something personal which was genuine and everyone became super defensive of 'Martin' because we're not used to acknowledging things about our favs or favorite shows AND still allowing ourselves to love them regardless.

it's either "we love them they're perfect" or "CANCELLED!"

Ari got such swift backlash because people didn't want Martin "canceled".

Erika Alexander represents the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time. She's not "angry" or "lashing out" or calling for people's jobs, she's just saying "wow there was some shit on my show that was questionable. Interesting. But it was part of the times in the 90s" and keeping it pushing. and still doing ReLiving Single podcast with all those questionable moments included.

GODpita's cousin self :blush:  :blush:

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Quote from: L0NZ. on January 01, 2026, 08:28:25 AMYea it's great that Tichina wasn't affected. That's where it stops. She doesnt understand that her perception, or even her experience of the way it happened, doesn't change how colorism is insidiously perpetrated and normalized no matter how jokingly it's presented, and then blasted on national Tv for everyone to consume. Just because you didn't know you had beady-beads doesn't mean Martin wasnt harboring internal feelings about them. Looking at Martins relationships, I mean....

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i LOVE Tichina so honestly didn't want to come off as being critical of her

especially since I believe she didn't have a bad experience with Martin

but yeah. I'm SO glad Erika spoke up cuz everyone just woulda used Tichina's mess as more ammo against Ari in their case of calling her a delusional nutjob.

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Animal! Beady bead!

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i love Martin but wouldn't be surprised at all if he had a complex.

people's "jokes" say a lot about them whether they realize it or not

especially with other puzzle pieces like this lying around

Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.

Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/

Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.

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Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.

Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/

Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.

low key i can kinda understand

some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect

ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.

that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent

im just so so so glad Erika said something.

Quote from: L0NZ. on January 01, 2026, 08:16:54 AMI don't remember much of Martin outside of the famous clips and essential episodes, did he ever joke about her skin color? I feel like Pam may be missing the point.

i remember, i used to be glued to tv every week. so, the thing is everyone (the viewers) looked at pam as a dime piece, 10/10. that was the irony and humor of the exaggerated jokes martin made. i think the way society has shifted with us seeing a spike in internal colorism amongst the black community, people are kinda removing the show from its context in history at that time and looking at it through the scope of today's lense, which i think is causing a skewed interpretation of that specific show/dynamic.

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Quote from: L0NZ. on January 01, 2026, 08:16:54 AMI don't remember much of Martin outside of the famous clips and essential episodes, did he ever joke about her skin color? I feel like Pam may be missing the point.

i remember, i used to be glued to tv every week. so, the thing is everyone (the viewers) looked at pam as a dime piece, 10/10. that was the irony and humor of the exaggerated jokes martin made. i think the way society has shifted with us seeing a spike in internal colorism amongst the black community, people are kinda removing the show from its context in history at that time and looking at it through the scope of today's lense, which i think is causing a skewed interpretation of that specific show/dynamic.

Erika Alexander is a smart woman. she wasn't "shifted" by anyone and has a VERY bright mind of her own.

 just say "you're being overly sensitive" and be done with it .

That's your message.

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Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.

Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/

Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.

low key i can kinda understand

some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect

ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.

that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent

im just so so so glad Erika said something.

Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.

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Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.

Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/

Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.

low key i can kinda understand

some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect

ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.

that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent

im just so so so glad Erika said something.

Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.

that has to be hard though

Her friend Martin was at the helm of that show, that her BEST friend kinda brought her into

If tichina has blinders on and doesn't care to dig DEEP I get it.

Doing so could taint some of the best memories and times of her life with people she is still friends with. It's a unique situation .

I feel Erika would dig in regardless of situation but not everyone can be Erika.

But like you said tichinas response coulda still been nicer. It's almost like she was low key mocking Ari

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Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.

Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/

Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.

low key i can kinda understand

some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect

ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.

that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent

im just so so so glad Erika said something.

Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.

that has to be hard though

Her friend Martin was at the helm of that show, that her BEST friend kinda brought her into

If tichina has blinders on and doesn't care to dig DEEP I get it.

Doing so could taint some of the best memories and times of her life with people she is still friends with. It's a unique situation .

I feel Erika would dig in regardless of situation but not everyone can be Erika.

But like you said tichinas response coulda still been nicer. It's almost like she was low key mocking Ari

It's just disappointing. Seems like a defense mechanism for Tichina so she doesn't throw anyone under the bush so I def get it. She didn't seem malicious as she jokingly tried to dismiss the claims which is ironic because that's how the jokes were rooted.

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Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.

Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/

Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.

low key i can kinda understand

some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect

ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.

that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent

im just so so so glad Erika said something.

Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.

that has to be hard though

Her friend Martin was at the helm of that show, that her BEST friend kinda brought her into

If tichina has blinders on and doesn't care to dig DEEP I get it.

Doing so could taint some of the best memories and times of her life with people she is still friends with. It's a unique situation .

I feel Erika would dig in regardless of situation but not everyone can be Erika.

But like you said tichinas response coulda still been nicer. It's almost like she was low key mocking Ari

throw anyone under the bush

Bush or bus?

 :ohwow:

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Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.

Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/

Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.

low key i can kinda understand

some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect

ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.

that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent

im just so so so glad Erika said something.

Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.

that has to be hard though

Her friend Martin was at the helm of that show, that her BEST friend kinda brought her into

If tichina has blinders on and doesn't care to dig DEEP I get it.

Doing so could taint some of the best memories and times of her life with people she is still friends with. It's a unique situation .

I feel Erika would dig in regardless of situation but not everyone can be Erika.

But like you said tichinas response coulda still been nicer. It's almost like she was low key mocking Ari

throw anyone under the bush

Bush or bus?

 :ohwow:

You see the difference between you and I is how I don't try to gaslight and try to argue that "bush" is the correct saying. My phone autocorrected.

Would def love to throw you under a burning bush tho.

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Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 07:43:01 AMbut there's a clear a difference between the way Tichina approaches this conversation and the way Erika approaches it.

Ari was made out to be some crazy delusional loon and it really upset me cuz I knew she wasn't just making it up to be edgy, and there were certainly other women with a similar phenotype who may feel this way.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DS9De1LDKLw/

Love Tichina but I didn't like the way she tried to dismiss it initially.

low key i can kinda understand

some Black women don't want to be the "victim!" - even if they do see some questionable moments at play or in retrospect

ultimately Tichina/"Pam" was kinda thrown into a heated conversation when she was somewhere minding her business and just tryna live her life.

that had to make her uncomfortable too - especially when she understandably has no personal issue with Martin and loves him. i believe her when she never felt malicious intent

im just so so so glad Erika said something.

Yes I get it. Erika articulated so well, as she always does, I expected the same from Tichina where she can acknowledge the colorism but that doesn't require her to attack the writers-actors of the show nor does she have to dismiss Ari's observation.

that has to be hard though

Her friend Martin was at the helm of that show, that her BEST friend kinda brought her into

If tichina has blinders on and doesn't care to dig DEEP I get it.

Doing so could taint some of the best memories and times of her life with people she is still friends with. It's a unique situation .

I feel Erika would dig in regardless of situation but not everyone can be Erika.

But like you said tichinas response coulda still been nicer. It's almost like she was low key mocking Ari

throw anyone under the bush

Bush or bus?

 :ohwow:

You see the difference between you and I is how I don't try to gaslight and try to argue that "bush" is the correct saying. My phone autocorrected.

Oh there's a BIG difference but that's not it. You've admitted how dumb you are in this instance, it's not your norm tho  :nowgorl:

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Bad bitches, yea, I keep em by the two.

:heyddy:

One thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.

Tichina doesn't feel victimized because she was 100% down with all the mess and gave what she got.

This is not to say other Black women watching and hearing those jokes wouldn't be offended. 2 things can be true

Quote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:23:33 PMOne thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.

no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.

 this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"

it's not the same.

Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.

im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.

even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing

someone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.

as Black people how do we NOT get this? :shannonsmissing:

it's not to say Martin is evil or that he was even malicious in his intent. but it's just UNDERSTANDING why women like Erika Alexander and Ari are like "Wait a min....  :unsure:  "

that's all. it costs NOTHING to just try to understand.

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:23:33 PMOne thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.

no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.

 this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"

it's not the same.

Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.

im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.

even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing

see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:23:33 PMOne thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.

no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.

 this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"

it's not the same.

Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.

im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.

even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing

see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation

unfortunately it appears I have to illustrate as much as possible for you to GET it Ray.

even if we just keep it at "nappy head" how is that fucking acceptable as a kii?

like am i in the fucking twilight zone?

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Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:38:52 PMsomeone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.

now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina

It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?

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Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:38:52 PMsomeone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.

now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina

It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?

Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.

"good hair! mixed with Indian!"

with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.

all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631NG_I6-mg

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:23:33 PMOne thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.

no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.

 this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"

it's not the same.

Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.

im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.

even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing

see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation

unfortunately it appears I have to illustrate as much as possible for you to GET it Ray.

even if we just keep it at "nappy head" how is that fucking acceptable as a kii?

like am i in the fucking twilight zone?

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I mean hindsight is 2020 and as a society we have all grown ethically in the 30 years since the show was on
But ppl were definitely laughing at that at the time, and it was all really ignorance.

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:23:33 PMOne thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.

no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.

 this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"

it's not the same.

Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.

im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.

even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing

see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation

unfortunately it appears I have to illustrate as much as possible for you to GET it Ray.

even if we just keep it at "nappy head" how is that fucking acceptable as a kii?

like am i in the fucking twilight zone?

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I mean hindsight is 2020 and as a society we have all grown ethically in the 30 years since the show was on
But ppl were definitely laughing at that at the time, and it was all really ignorance.

am mean

thats all Erika, Ari and the gorls is saying!

no one's tryna drag or cancel Martin. we still love King. no one is perfect.

it's OK for us to look at things and be like "that didn't age too well." and still enjoy the damn show.

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Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:38:52 PMsomeone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.

now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina

It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?

Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.

"good hair! mixed with Indian!"

with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.

all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631NG_I6-mg

Im glad I watched the video or I would think the whole scene was about her being pretty because she had long hair and was mixed. When she didn't confirm if she was even mixed and Sheneneh made a whole insult about Native American stereotypes lol

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 01, 2026, 02:23:33 PMOne thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.

no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.

 this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"

it's not the same.

Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.

im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.

even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing

see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation

unfortunately it appears I have to illustrate as much as possible for you to GET it Ray.

even if we just keep it at "nappy head" how is that fucking acceptable as a kii?

like am i in the fucking twilight zone?

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I mean hindsight is 2020 and as a society we have all grown ethically in the 30 years since the show was on
But ppl were definitely laughing at that at the time, and it was all really ignorance.

am mean

thats all Erika, Ari and the gorls is saying!

no one's tryna drag or cancel Martin. we still love King. no one is perfect.

it's OK for us to look at things and be like "that didn't age too well." and still enjoy the damn show.

that's not what I was getting at though. We're in here acting like Tichina was just too dumb or biased because Martin is her friend for her to notice she was being put down. But I'm saying it's because she was not being singled out or targeted just because she was the dark skinned woman. She jumped into the fray of a lot of toxicity and dished out some herself

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Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:38:52 PMsomeone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.

now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina

It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?

Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.

"good hair! mixed with Indian!"

with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.

all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631NG_I6-mg

Im glad I watched the video or I would think the whole scene was about her being pretty because she had long hair and was mixed. When she didn't confirm if she was even mixed and Sheneneh made a whole insult about Native American stereotypes lol

Martin made it a point to talk about her hair and then connected her "weave hair" with non-Blackness.

Ray do I need to grab you a cup of coffee

why couldn't Lark be a "beady bead" gorl too?

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Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:38:52 PMsomeone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.

now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina

It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?

Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.

"good hair! mixed with Indian!"

with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.

all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631NG_I6-mg

Im glad I watched the video or I would think the whole scene was about her being pretty because she had long hair and was mixed. When she didn't confirm if she was even mixed and Sheneneh made a whole insult about Native American stereotypes lol

Martin made it a point to talk about her hair and then connected her "weave hair" with non-Blackness.

Ray do I need to grab you a cup of coffee

why couldn't Lark be a "beady bead" gorl too?

because her hair was pressed?
Was Kenya or Beverly Johnson called mixed with Indian and long hair too?

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Quote from: The Only BLACK Kalmyks on January 01, 2026, 02:38:52 PMsomeone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.

now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina

It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?

Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.

"good hair! mixed with Indian!"

with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.

all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631NG_I6-mg

Im glad I watched the video or I would think the whole scene was about her being pretty because she had long hair and was mixed. When she didn't confirm if she was even mixed and Sheneneh made a whole insult about Native American stereotypes lol

Martin made it a point to talk about her hair and then connected her "weave hair" with non-Blackness.

Ray do I need to grab you a cup of coffee

why couldn't Lark be a "beady bead" gorl too?

because her hair was pressed?

yea cuz Pam was walking around with an afro every episode.

Ray give it up.

and leave GODverly Johnson outta ur MESS

and believe it or not there are plenty of Black people who knew that making fun of Blackness wasn't OK way before "woke" culture began

my head woulda been lying somewhere out on the grass if my grandparents heard me calling someone a nappy head or darkie  or gorilla

like, knocked CLEAN off.
there was zero tolerance

i can find humor in almost anything tbh but i've NEVER really found making fun of a Black person JUST cuz they look Black to be a kii.

Black is beautiful so where's the hehe haha, exactly?

Tichina has come back to apologize for the interview

i def thought it was interesting that she was quick to dismiss Ari's feelings

but immediately pulled out a violin regarding "reverse colorism" experiences for Tisha - saying that she could tell Black women in the audience during taping of Martin didn't like Tisha because she was light, even though no one in that audience directly mentioned anything regarding Tisha's appearance...or had a chance to say anything at all

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it's not so much that she mentioned the possibility of "reverse colorism" because lighter skin people do sometimes have negative experiences related to their appearance. im sure Tisha has had plenty of "bitch u think u cute cuz u light but u not" moments in her life. but it's the fact that Tichina was able to recognize THAT exists while damn near mocking Ari Lennox's shared experience.

but this is why i LOVE Tichina. She clearly means no harm and is just tryna live her life. she doesn't have to be a social justice warrior.
cuz honestly that's another thing people PUSH on Black women. for them to be on the frontlines FIGHTING for something. cuz they're so "strong".

as i mentioned earlier, not everyone can be a critical thinker like Erika Alexander ...but Tichina at least being open to hear and understand things and be open to the fact that she may have a lot of learning to do about this stuff speaks volumes about her as a person, and how much she cares about the community. As Tisha responded, she has a good heart.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DTRuOB-jGfG/

I'm glad she has young ppl around her to help her be more progressive and socially conscious.
Reverse colorism isn't a thing but Tisha did get hate and disrespect for being light skinned. That's what she meant but ppl are very "woke" and sensitive these days about the meaning of certain words

Quote from: RAY7 on January 09, 2026, 12:31:55 PMI'm glad she has young ppl around her to help her be more progressive and socially conscious.
Reverse colorism isn't a thing but Tisha did get hate and disrespect for being light skinned. That's what she meant but ppl are very "woke" and sensitive these days about the meaning of certain words

for me the issue wasn't her specific choice of words. it was literally her pulling out a violin for Tisha while damn near ignoring and mocking Ari.

she did what a lot of Black people do unfortunately. tell the dark skin unambiguously Black girl to stfu and stop being so "sensitive"
and coddle the lighter skin/mixed woman and take time to understand her plight

we understand and acknowledge that a light skin woman may hear things like "bitch u think u cute" and categorize it as hate. but a dark skin Black woman being uncomfortable with someone literally "joking" about "nappy" hair is a case of her being "too sensitive" or "dramatic".

maybe if this conversation were in a different setting with a different catalyst it woulda hit differently

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 09, 2026, 12:31:55 PMI'm glad she has young ppl around her to help her be more progressive and socially conscious.
Reverse colorism isn't a thing but Tisha did get hate and disrespect for being light skinned. That's what she meant but ppl are very "woke" and sensitive these days about the meaning of certain words

for me the issue wasn't her specific choice of words. it was literally her pulling out a violin for Tisha while damn near ignoring and mocking Ari.

she did what a lot of Black people do unfortunately. tell the dark skin unambiguously Black girl to stfu and stop being so "sensitive"
and coddle the lighter skin/mixed woman and take time to understand her plight

we understand and acknowledge that a light skin woman may hear things like "bitch u think u cute" and categorize it as hate. but a dark skin Black woman being uncomfortable with someone "joking" about "nappy" hair is a case of her being "too sensitive" or "dramatic".

maybe if this conversation were in a different setting with a different catalyst it woulda hit differently

She wasn't "pulling out a violin" I think the way the world is has shaped our understanding of what she was doing. If it was true that Tisha did specifically get hate from the women in the crowd who didn't like her because she was light skinned, but they loved Tichina, how is her telling that true story a "violin"?

I think ultimately the point was that EVERYONE on the show got some types shots fired at them and it wasn't a specifically dark skinned women hating show

Also clearly there is bias because she loves that show and everyone on it so she's defending it, and feels like Ari was attacking a show she loves

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 09, 2026, 12:31:55 PMI'm glad she has young ppl around her to help her be more progressive and socially conscious.
Reverse colorism isn't a thing but Tisha did get hate and disrespect for being light skinned. That's what she meant but ppl are very "woke" and sensitive these days about the meaning of certain words

for me the issue wasn't her specific choice of words. it was literally her pulling out a violin for Tisha while damn near ignoring and mocking Ari.

she did what a lot of Black people do unfortunately. tell the dark skin unambiguously Black girl to stfu and stop being so "sensitive"
and coddle the lighter skin/mixed woman and take time to understand her plight

we understand and acknowledge that a light skin woman may hear things like "bitch u think u cute" and categorize it as hate. but a dark skin Black woman being uncomfortable with someone "joking" about "nappy" hair is a case of her being "too sensitive" or "dramatic".

maybe if this conversation were in a different setting with a different catalyst it woulda hit differently

She wasn't "pulling out a violin" I think the way the world is has shaped our understanding of what she was doing. If it was true that Tisha did specifically get hate from the women in the crowd who didn't like her because she was light skinned, but they loved Tichina, how is her telling that true story a "violin"?

I think ultimately the point was that EVERYONE on the show got some types shots fired at them and it wasn't a specifically dark skinned women hating show

Also clearly there is bias because she loves that show and everyone on it so she's defending it, and feels like Ari was attacking a show she loves

"pulling out the violin " just speaks to a sad story being told. Her describing Tisha crying , etc

Of course people who are assumed to have privilege are wrongfully targeted or assumed to "think that they cute", or get comments like "that hair is weave bitch" etc

It's crazy to me that in 2026 I don't have to argue with other Black people about THAT but I have to go tooth and nail for people to understand why Ari may have legitimate concerns that shouldn't be labeled as "too sensitive"

That in itself gives credence to ANY claims dark skin unambiguously Black women make about their experiences .

And yes I already acknowledged this conversation may be difficult for Tichina because it involves a show and people whom she loves dearly. I did that pages ago and gave her a lot of grace because of that.

But I actually Thank God for people like Tichina though who care enough for the community to listen in these conversations and come back to say "u know what... maybe I was talking too fast"

Cuz her fans def ain't getting it

and it's worth noting this is all coming from someone who said that a show like "Mixed-ish" was necessary when a lot of people on here said it wasn't years ago.

i 100% know for a fact people who are mixed, light or assumed to be mixed face different experiences (including negative and confusing ones) and deserve their opportunity to speak on them or have them represented in media.

But i'm all about fairness. Ari had a legitimate grievance and it INFURIATED me that people had the nerve to dismiss her. Thank God for women like Erika Alexander and Tichina Arnold for either being critical thinkers or being wise enough to accept they're NOT a critical thinker.

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i 100% believe there was no malicious intent from Martin

But he kinda needs to speak for himself in saying black people always joked about how we looked

Cuz way before this woke culture there are plenty of us who didn't find calling someone darkie or nappy head to be a kii.

Even back to my grandparents - I woulda got a lashing if they found me making jokes like that.  I woulda been picking my glasses up off the floor.

So this narrative needs to stop. It's an easy cop out and does nothing to heal very real issues in our community.

I understand SOME of us def found those "jokes"to be funny... so say some. Many of us didn't see the hilarity in someone simply existing with kinky hair.

Martin never called anyone DARKIE on his show
But saying someone's hair is nappy was widely accepted and used as a joke by Black ppl. Which is why his show was huge and no one complained to them at the time

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 01:52:33 PMMartin never called anyone DARKIE on his show
But saying someone's hair is nappy was widely accepted and used as a joke by Black ppl. Which is why his show was huge and no one complained to them at the time

i never said he did

and u keep saying "he didn't say darkie! he said nappy head!"

as if one is more acceptable than the other , or should be more acceptable

again, some of us never saw the hilarity in someone existing with kinky hair
so this whole VERY generalized "Black people always joked about these things!" needs to stop.  it's not true.

can anyone actually explain what's so funny about someone having kinky hair?

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 01:52:33 PMMartin never called anyone DARKIE on his show
But saying someone's hair is nappy was widely accepted and used as a joke by Black ppl. Which is why his show was huge and no one complained to them at the time

i never said he did

and u keep saying "he didn't say darkie! he said nappy head!"

as if one is more acceptable than the other , or should be more acceptable

again, some of us never saw the hilarity in someone existing with kinky hair
so this whole VERY generalized "Black people always joked about these things!" needs to stop.  it's not true.

can anyone actually explain what's so funny about someone having kinky hair?

why bring up "DARKIE!" In this thread when no one was called that?
And there is a difference between having kinky textured hair and your hair being "nappy" or "beadybead"
I mean do we not have billions of dollars in "hair care" with all these different products to moisturize, strengthen, de tangle etc?
Are we all just "natural" now and just go outside with no combing, brushing, shampooing, conditioning or anything to our hair because it's kinky?
Are we ready to really dig in to this conversation? Because Martin was not just saying "nappy" literally because Tichina is a black woman, and not all Black women (not including bi-racials) on that show was called that

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 01:52:33 PMMartin never called anyone DARKIE on his show
But saying someone's hair is nappy was widely accepted and used as a joke by Black ppl. Which is why his show was huge and no one complained to them at the time

i never said he did

and u keep saying "he didn't say darkie! he said nappy head!"

as if one is more acceptable than the other , or should be more acceptable

again, some of us never saw the hilarity in someone existing with kinky hair
so this whole VERY generalized "Black people always joked about these things!" needs to stop.  it's not true.

can anyone actually explain what's so funny about someone having kinky hair?

why bring up "DARKIE!" In this thread when no one was called that?
And there is a difference between having kinky textured hair and your hair being "nappy" or "beadybead"
I mean do we not have billions of dollars in "hair care" with all these different products to moisturize, strengthen, de tangle etc?
Are we all just "natural" now and just go outside with no combing, brushing, shampooing, conditioning or anything to our hair because it's kinky?
Are we ready to really dig in to this conversation? Because Martin was not just saying "nappy" literally because Tichina is a black woman, and not all Black women (not including bi-racials) on that show was called that

are u gonna ask Tichina why she mentioned "reverse colorism" in her response ?

we're all mentioning color and colorism because it falls under the umbrella of the topic at hand. why are you getting so worked up about that?

there are clear correlations which everyone including Tichina have acknowledged and spoken on in depth.

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 01:52:33 PMMartin never called anyone DARKIE on his show
But saying someone's hair is nappy was widely accepted and used as a joke by Black ppl. Which is why his show was huge and no one complained to them at the time

i never said he did

and u keep saying "he didn't say darkie! he said nappy head!"

as if one is more acceptable than the other , or should be more acceptable

again, some of us never saw the hilarity in someone existing with kinky hair
so this whole VERY generalized "Black people always joked about these things!" needs to stop.  it's not true.

can anyone actually explain what's so funny about someone having kinky hair?

why bring up "DARKIE!" In this thread when no one was called that?
And there is a difference between having kinky textured hair and your hair being "nappy" or "beadybead"
I mean do we not have billions of dollars in "hair care" with all these different products to moisturize, strengthen, de tangle etc?
Are we all just "natural" now and just go outside with no combing, brushing, shampooing, conditioning or anything to our hair because it's kinky?
Are we ready to really dig in to this conversation? Because Martin was not just saying "nappy" literally because Tichina is a black woman, and not all Black women (not including bi-racials) on that show was called that

are u gonna ask Tichina why she mentioned "reverse colorism" in her response ?

we're all mentioning color and colorism because it falls under the umbrella of the topic at hand. why are you getting so worked up about that?

there are clear correlations which everyone including Tichina have acknowledged and spoken on in depth.

Tichina apologized for bringing up reverse colorism because that isn't a thing
So are you going to apologize too because getting called "darkie" wasn't a thing either on that show?

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 01:52:33 PMMartin never called anyone DARKIE on his show
But saying someone's hair is nappy was widely accepted and used as a joke by Black ppl. Which is why his show was huge and no one complained to them at the time

i never said he did

and u keep saying "he didn't say darkie! he said nappy head!"

as if one is more acceptable than the other , or should be more acceptable

again, some of us never saw the hilarity in someone existing with kinky hair
so this whole VERY generalized "Black people always joked about these things!" needs to stop.  it's not true.

can anyone actually explain what's so funny about someone having kinky hair?

why bring up "DARKIE!" In this thread when no one was called that?
And there is a difference between having kinky textured hair and your hair being "nappy" or "beadybead"
I mean do we not have billions of dollars in "hair care" with all these different products to moisturize, strengthen, de tangle etc?
Are we all just "natural" now and just go outside with no combing, brushing, shampooing, conditioning or anything to our hair because it's kinky?
Are we ready to really dig in to this conversation? Because Martin was not just saying "nappy" literally because Tichina is a black woman, and not all Black women (not including bi-racials) on that show was called that

are u gonna ask Tichina why she mentioned "reverse colorism" in her response ?

we're all mentioning color and colorism because it falls under the umbrella of the topic at hand. why are you getting so worked up about that?

there are clear correlations which everyone including Tichina have acknowledged and spoken on in depth.

Tichina apologized for bringing up reverse colorism because that isn't a thing
So are you going to apologize too because getting called "darkie" wasn't a thing either on that show?

I don't have to apologize for saying something I never fucking said

like wtf

am i in the twilight zone?

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pretty sure i also mentioned "gorilla" and "monkey" in here

doesn't mean i am accusing Martin of saying those specific things (although I CANNOT guarantee he didn't - since calling Pam all types of animals/beasts was part of his VERY specific "joke" routine for her)

i am simply giving examples Ray. as they relate to this larger conversation.
examples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

It seems that you feel "darkie" is the same thing as "nappy" and all of these terms are what Martin meant when he said "that's how we joke"
Is that correct?

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 02:59:03 PMIt seems that you feel "darkie" is the same thing as "nappy" and all of these terms are what Martin meant when he said "that's how we joke"
Is that correct?

yes i feel it's not acceptable to make fun of someone simply looking Black, regardless of which facet of Blackness is being referenced

so i am gonna group those things all under the same umbrella.

i hope that makes sense Ray. cuz ur scaring me

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Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 02:47:15 PMexamples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 02:59:03 PMIt seems that you feel "darkie" is the same thing as "nappy" and all of these terms are what Martin meant when he said "that's how we joke"
Is that correct?

yes i feel it's not acceptable to make fun of someone simply looking Black, regardless of which facet of Blackness is being referenced

so i am gonna group those things all under the same umbrella.

i hope that makes sense Ray. cuz ur scaring me

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well, you feel that it's possible for a Black person to have a "bad hair day"? Something that looks unkempt as far as society is concerned?

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:04:40 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 02:47:15 PMexamples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

it happens Ray. and u dont have to look far

there's been instances even on this very site YEARS ago all the way back to when i was still admin....where i intervened on someone's behalf to stop "jokes" that were playfully and casually being thrown around by other members about their deep beautifully rich skin color. saying mess like "shadow" and "midnight".

I ONLY backed off cuz they told me "afro its OK ... i know they're just joking" in the PMs. they were ok with it so I let it be.

otherwise i woulda been knuckin buckin and eventually banning on this bitch.

that person is still a member here and i wont name them. but yes. it happens Ray.

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:11:40 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:04:40 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 02:47:15 PMexamples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

it happens Ray. and u dont have to look far

there's been instances even on this very site YEARS ago all the way back to when i was still admin....where i intervened on someone's behalf to stop "jokes" that were playfully and casually being thrown around by other members about their deep beautifully rich skin color. saying mess like "shadow" and "midnight".

I ONLY backed off cuz they told me "afro its OK ... i know they're just joking" in the PMs. they were ok with it so I let it be.

otherwise i woulda been knuckin buckin and eventually banning on this bitch.

that person is still a member here and i wont name them to keep them out of it. but yes. it happens Ray.

that isn't the majority here though or even like a general consensus of how we talk on here.

But I'm gonna stop this discussion after I say
That I'm being defensive in here because you and a few ppl here seem to be insinuating that Martin was show that targeted Tichina because she is Black and even though it wasn't intended in malice, it was still colorist and anti black but the actors are too blinded by their love for each other and low critical thinking skills to see it.

But I would be insulted if I were them and I was being told I'm not a critical thinker. I think they all knew they were saying things that obviously weren't the most ethically and morally appropriate things to say about each other but they were not specifically targeting Black women or ppl just for being Black

like wtf is SO hilarious about a Black person looking Black?
as in: having an appearance that naturally occurs in Black people?

beady beads! midnight! dark!  :kii:

like.....somebody dial up HBO cuz this is comedy GOLD! 

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:26:41 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:11:40 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:04:40 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 02:47:15 PMexamples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

it happens Ray. and u dont have to look far

there's been instances even on this very site YEARS ago all the way back to when i was still admin....where i intervened on someone's behalf to stop "jokes" that were playfully and casually being thrown around by other members about their deep beautifully rich skin color. saying mess like "shadow" and "midnight".

I ONLY backed off cuz they told me "afro its OK ... i know they're just joking" in the PMs. they were ok with it so I let it be.

otherwise i woulda been knuckin buckin and eventually banning on this bitch.

that person is still a member here and i wont name them to keep them out of it. but yes. it happens Ray.

that isn't the majority here though or even like a general consensus of how we talk on here.

But I'm gonna stop this discussion after I say
That I'm being defensive in here because you and a few ppl here seem to be insinuating that Martin was show that targeted Tichina because she is Black and even though it wasn't intended in malice, it was still colorist and anti black but the actors are too blinded by their love for each other and low critical thinking skills to see it.

But I would be insulted if I were them and I was being told I'm not a critical thinker. I think they all knew they were saying things that obviously weren't the most ethically and morally appropriate things to say about each other but they were not specifically targeting Black women or ppl just for being Black

again Ray I never said ALL people talk this way either here, or anywhere else

you were clearly under the impression that certain things dont happen. so i had to provide you real life examples that could easily be verified firsthand - to show you they DO happen. and that you don't have to look far to find INSTANCES of this.

maybe that's where the "disconnect" is. you don't seem very aware.

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:32:25 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:26:41 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:11:40 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:04:40 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 02:47:15 PMexamples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

it happens Ray. and u dont have to look far

there's been instances even on this very site YEARS ago all the way back to when i was still admin....where i intervened on someone's behalf to stop "jokes" that were playfully and casually being thrown around by other members about their deep beautifully rich skin color. saying mess like "shadow" and "midnight".

I ONLY backed off cuz they told me "afro its OK ... i know they're just joking" in the PMs. they were ok with it so I let it be.

otherwise i woulda been knuckin buckin and eventually banning on this bitch.

that person is still a member here and i wont name them to keep them out of it. but yes. it happens Ray.

that isn't the majority here though or even like a general consensus of how we talk on here.

But I'm gonna stop this discussion after I say
That I'm being defensive in here because you and a few ppl here seem to be insinuating that Martin was show that targeted Tichina because she is Black and even though it wasn't intended in malice, it was still colorist and anti black but the actors are too blinded by their love for each other and low critical thinking skills to see it.

But I would be insulted if I were them and I was being told I'm not a critical thinker. I think they all knew they were saying things that obviously weren't the most ethically and morally appropriate things to say about each other but they were not specifically targeting Black women or ppl just for being Black

again Ray I never said ALL people talk this way either here, or anywhere else

you were clearly under the impression that certain things dont happen. so i had to provide you real life examples that could easily be verified firsthand - to show you they DO happen. and that you don't have to look far to find INSTANCES of this.

maybe that's where the "disconnect" is. you don't seem very aware.

I didn't say that you said "ALL" though. You enlarged the words majority and general consensus, so that leaves room for minority exceptions to the rule. Some things just aren't big enough to matter

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:38:20 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:32:25 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:26:41 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:11:40 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:04:40 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 02:47:15 PMexamples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

it happens Ray. and u dont have to look far

there's been instances even on this very site YEARS ago all the way back to when i was still admin....where i intervened on someone's behalf to stop "jokes" that were playfully and casually being thrown around by other members about their deep beautifully rich skin color. saying mess like "shadow" and "midnight".

I ONLY backed off cuz they told me "afro its OK ... i know they're just joking" in the PMs. they were ok with it so I let it be.

otherwise i woulda been knuckin buckin and eventually banning on this bitch.

that person is still a member here and i wont name them to keep them out of it. but yes. it happens Ray.

that isn't the majority here though or even like a general consensus of how we talk on here.

But I'm gonna stop this discussion after I say
That I'm being defensive in here because you and a few ppl here seem to be insinuating that Martin was show that targeted Tichina because she is Black and even though it wasn't intended in malice, it was still colorist and anti black but the actors are too blinded by their love for each other and low critical thinking skills to see it.

But I would be insulted if I were them and I was being told I'm not a critical thinker. I think they all knew they were saying things that obviously weren't the most ethically and morally appropriate things to say about each other but they were not specifically targeting Black women or ppl just for being Black

again Ray I never said ALL people talk this way either here, or anywhere else

you were clearly under the impression that certain things dont happen. so i had to provide you real life examples that could easily be verified firsthand - to show you they DO happen. and that you don't have to look far to find INSTANCES of this.

maybe that's where the "disconnect" is. you don't seem very aware.

I didn't say that you said "ALL" though. You enlarged the words majority and general consensus, so that leaves room for minority exceptions to the rule. Some things just aren't big enough to matter

maybe that's where another disconnect is

i dont feel ANY instance of making fun of a Black person for simply existing and looking Black is a kii or acceptable. i strongly believe in nipping any instance in the bud because of the real life consequences it has on people in our community.

it's 0 tolerance for me, and ive always felt this way.

u feel differently. and that's OK.

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:42:10 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:38:20 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:32:25 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:26:41 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:11:40 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:04:40 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 02:47:15 PMexamples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

it happens Ray. and u dont have to look far

there's been instances even on this very site YEARS ago all the way back to when i was still admin....where i intervened on someone's behalf to stop "jokes" that were playfully and casually being thrown around by other members about their deep beautifully rich skin color. saying mess like "shadow" and "midnight".

I ONLY backed off cuz they told me "afro its OK ... i know they're just joking" in the PMs. they were ok with it so I let it be.

otherwise i woulda been knuckin buckin and eventually banning on this bitch.

that person is still a member here and i wont name them to keep them out of it. but yes. it happens Ray.

that isn't the majority here though or even like a general consensus of how we talk on here.

But I'm gonna stop this discussion after I say
That I'm being defensive in here because you and a few ppl here seem to be insinuating that Martin was show that targeted Tichina because she is Black and even though it wasn't intended in malice, it was still colorist and anti black but the actors are too blinded by their love for each other and low critical thinking skills to see it.

But I would be insulted if I were them and I was being told I'm not a critical thinker. I think they all knew they were saying things that obviously weren't the most ethically and morally appropriate things to say about each other but they were not specifically targeting Black women or ppl just for being Black

again Ray I never said ALL people talk this way either here, or anywhere else

you were clearly under the impression that certain things dont happen. so i had to provide you real life examples that could easily be verified firsthand - to show you they DO happen. and that you don't have to look far to find INSTANCES of this.

maybe that's where the "disconnect" is. you don't seem very aware.

I didn't say that you said "ALL" though. You enlarged the words majority and general consensus, so that leaves room for minority exceptions to the rule. Some things just aren't big enough to matter

maybe that's where another disconnect is

i dont feel ANY instance of making fun of a Black person for simply existing and looking Black is a kii or acceptable. i strongly believe in nipping any instance in the bud because of the real life consequences it has on people in our community.

it's 0 tolerance for me, and ive always felt this way.

u feel differently. and that's OK.

when I said some things don't matter I meant, as in no need to even bring them up to discuss or complain about them.

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 04:07:55 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:42:10 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:38:20 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:32:25 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:26:41 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:11:40 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:04:40 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 02:47:15 PMexamples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

it happens Ray. and u dont have to look far

there's been instances even on this very site YEARS ago all the way back to when i was still admin....where i intervened on someone's behalf to stop "jokes" that were playfully and casually being thrown around by other members about their deep beautifully rich skin color. saying mess like "shadow" and "midnight".

I ONLY backed off cuz they told me "afro its OK ... i know they're just joking" in the PMs. they were ok with it so I let it be.

otherwise i woulda been knuckin buckin and eventually banning on this bitch.

that person is still a member here and i wont name them to keep them out of it. but yes. it happens Ray.

that isn't the majority here though or even like a general consensus of how we talk on here.

But I'm gonna stop this discussion after I say
That I'm being defensive in here because you and a few ppl here seem to be insinuating that Martin was show that targeted Tichina because she is Black and even though it wasn't intended in malice, it was still colorist and anti black but the actors are too blinded by their love for each other and low critical thinking skills to see it.

But I would be insulted if I were them and I was being told I'm not a critical thinker. I think they all knew they were saying things that obviously weren't the most ethically and morally appropriate things to say about each other but they were not specifically targeting Black women or ppl just for being Black

again Ray I never said ALL people talk this way either here, or anywhere else

you were clearly under the impression that certain things dont happen. so i had to provide you real life examples that could easily be verified firsthand - to show you they DO happen. and that you don't have to look far to find INSTANCES of this.

maybe that's where the "disconnect" is. you don't seem very aware.

I didn't say that you said "ALL" though. You enlarged the words majority and general consensus, so that leaves room for minority exceptions to the rule. Some things just aren't big enough to matter

maybe that's where another disconnect is

i dont feel ANY instance of making fun of a Black person for simply existing and looking Black is a kii or acceptable. i strongly believe in nipping any instance in the bud because of the real life consequences it has on people in our community.

it's 0 tolerance for me, and ive always felt this way.

u feel differently. and that's OK.

when I said some things don't matter I meant, as in no need to even bring them up to discuss or complain about them.

honestly that seems to be your attitude towards the entire discussion

very "people are so sensitive" and "it aint that serious" and "these things don't even happen"

i just dont feel that way.

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 04:19:16 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 04:07:55 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:42:10 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:38:20 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:32:25 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:26:41 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:11:40 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:04:40 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 02:47:15 PMexamples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

it happens Ray. and u dont have to look far

there's been instances even on this very site YEARS ago all the way back to when i was still admin....where i intervened on someone's behalf to stop "jokes" that were playfully and casually being thrown around by other members about their deep beautifully rich skin color. saying mess like "shadow" and "midnight".

I ONLY backed off cuz they told me "afro its OK ... i know they're just joking" in the PMs. they were ok with it so I let it be.

otherwise i woulda been knuckin buckin and eventually banning on this bitch.

that person is still a member here and i wont name them to keep them out of it. but yes. it happens Ray.

that isn't the majority here though or even like a general consensus of how we talk on here.

But I'm gonna stop this discussion after I say
That I'm being defensive in here because you and a few ppl here seem to be insinuating that Martin was show that targeted Tichina because she is Black and even though it wasn't intended in malice, it was still colorist and anti black but the actors are too blinded by their love for each other and low critical thinking skills to see it.

But I would be insulted if I were them and I was being told I'm not a critical thinker. I think they all knew they were saying things that obviously weren't the most ethically and morally appropriate things to say about each other but they were not specifically targeting Black women or ppl just for being Black

again Ray I never said ALL people talk this way either here, or anywhere else

you were clearly under the impression that certain things dont happen. so i had to provide you real life examples that could easily be verified firsthand - to show you they DO happen. and that you don't have to look far to find INSTANCES of this.

maybe that's where the "disconnect" is. you don't seem very aware.

I didn't say that you said "ALL" though. You enlarged the words majority and general consensus, so that leaves room for minority exceptions to the rule. Some things just aren't big enough to matter

maybe that's where another disconnect is

i dont feel ANY instance of making fun of a Black person for simply existing and looking Black is a kii or acceptable. i strongly believe in nipping any instance in the bud because of the real life consequences it has on people in our community.

it's 0 tolerance for me, and ive always felt this way.

u feel differently. and that's OK.

when I said some things don't matter I meant, as in no need to even bring them up to discuss or complain about them.

honestly that seems to be your attitude towards the entire discussion

very "people are so sensitive" and "it aint that serious" and "these things don't even happen"

i just dont feel that way.

this specific part of the discussion gives me very much "All Lives Matter" vibes. Like if we have to discuss things that rarely happen
Then ok...

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 04:52:35 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 04:19:16 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 04:07:55 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:42:10 PM

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Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:32:25 PM

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:04:40 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 02:47:15 PMexamples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

it happens Ray. and u dont have to look far

there's been instances even on this very site YEARS ago all the way back to when i was still admin....where i intervened on someone's behalf to stop "jokes" that were playfully and casually being thrown around by other members about their deep beautifully rich skin color. saying mess like "shadow" and "midnight".

I ONLY backed off cuz they told me "afro its OK ... i know they're just joking" in the PMs. they were ok with it so I let it be.

otherwise i woulda been knuckin buckin and eventually banning on this bitch.

that person is still a member here and i wont name them to keep them out of it. but yes. it happens Ray.

that isn't the majority here though or even like a general consensus of how we talk on here.

But I'm gonna stop this discussion after I say
That I'm being defensive in here because you and a few ppl here seem to be insinuating that Martin was show that targeted Tichina because she is Black and even though it wasn't intended in malice, it was still colorist and anti black but the actors are too blinded by their love for each other and low critical thinking skills to see it.

But I would be insulted if I were them and I was being told I'm not a critical thinker. I think they all knew they were saying things that obviously weren't the most ethically and morally appropriate things to say about each other but they were not specifically targeting Black women or ppl just for being Black

again Ray I never said ALL people talk this way either here, or anywhere else

you were clearly under the impression that certain things dont happen. so i had to provide you real life examples that could easily be verified firsthand - to show you they DO happen. and that you don't have to look far to find INSTANCES of this.

maybe that's where the "disconnect" is. you don't seem very aware.

I didn't say that you said "ALL" though. You enlarged the words majority and general consensus, so that leaves room for minority exceptions to the rule. Some things just aren't big enough to matter

maybe that's where another disconnect is

i dont feel ANY instance of making fun of a Black person for simply existing and looking Black is a kii or acceptable. i strongly believe in nipping any instance in the bud because of the real life consequences it has on people in our community.

it's 0 tolerance for me, and ive always felt this way.

u feel differently. and that's OK.

when I said some things don't matter I meant, as in no need to even bring them up to discuss or complain about them.

honestly that seems to be your attitude towards the entire discussion

very "people are so sensitive" and "it aint that serious" and "these things don't even happen"

i just dont feel that way.

this specific part of the discussion gives me very much "All Lives Matter" vibes. Like if we have to discuss things that rarely happen
Then ok...

it is your opinion and personal conclusion that these things "rarely happen"

it's important we note that.

studies conducted regarding the impact and effects of anti-Blackness within the community do NOT support this conclusion. important we note that as well.

"specific parts" are always worth discussing in a topic that is highly nuanced.
"specific parts" make up and speak to a larger issue.

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 05:07:54 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 04:52:35 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 04:19:16 PM

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 04:07:55 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 03:42:10 PM

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:04:40 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 02:47:15 PMexamples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

it happens Ray. and u dont have to look far

there's been instances even on this very site YEARS ago all the way back to when i was still admin....where i intervened on someone's behalf to stop "jokes" that were playfully and casually being thrown around by other members about their deep beautifully rich skin color. saying mess like "shadow" and "midnight".

I ONLY backed off cuz they told me "afro its OK ... i know they're just joking" in the PMs. they were ok with it so I let it be.

otherwise i woulda been knuckin buckin and eventually banning on this bitch.

that person is still a member here and i wont name them to keep them out of it. but yes. it happens Ray.

that isn't the majority here though or even like a general consensus of how we talk on here.

But I'm gonna stop this discussion after I say
That I'm being defensive in here because you and a few ppl here seem to be insinuating that Martin was show that targeted Tichina because she is Black and even though it wasn't intended in malice, it was still colorist and anti black but the actors are too blinded by their love for each other and low critical thinking skills to see it.

But I would be insulted if I were them and I was being told I'm not a critical thinker. I think they all knew they were saying things that obviously weren't the most ethically and morally appropriate things to say about each other but they were not specifically targeting Black women or ppl just for being Black

again Ray I never said ALL people talk this way either here, or anywhere else

you were clearly under the impression that certain things dont happen. so i had to provide you real life examples that could easily be verified firsthand - to show you they DO happen. and that you don't have to look far to find INSTANCES of this.

maybe that's where the "disconnect" is. you don't seem very aware.

I didn't say that you said "ALL" though. You enlarged the words majority and general consensus, so that leaves room for minority exceptions to the rule. Some things just aren't big enough to matter

maybe that's where another disconnect is

i dont feel ANY instance of making fun of a Black person for simply existing and looking Black is a kii or acceptable. i strongly believe in nipping any instance in the bud because of the real life consequences it has on people in our community.

it's 0 tolerance for me, and ive always felt this way.

u feel differently. and that's OK.

when I said some things don't matter I meant, as in no need to even bring them up to discuss or complain about them.

honestly that seems to be your attitude towards the entire discussion

very "people are so sensitive" and "it aint that serious" and "these things don't even happen"

i just dont feel that way.

this specific part of the discussion gives me very much "All Lives Matter" vibes. Like if we have to discuss things that rarely happen
Then ok...

it is your opinion and personal conclusion that these things "rarely happen"

it's important we note that.

studies conducted regarding the impact and effects of anti-Blackness within the community do NOT support this conclusion. important we note that as well.

"specific parts" are always worth discussing in a topic that is highly nuanced.
"specific parts" make up and speak to a larger issue.

Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 05:15:58 PM

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Quote from: RAY7 on January 13, 2026, 03:04:40 PM

Quote from: Russian Roulette on January 13, 2026, 02:47:15 PMexamples of some of the most derogatory things people say as "jokes" against unambiguously Black people

see this is where the disconnect is because I don't think that Black ppl were just using all the derogatory things they could possibly say to unambiguous Black ppl for jokes.There's definitely a line that ppl don't cross when they're joking with friends and certain slurs, and things that would be an insult are usually left out

it happens Ray. and u dont have to look far

there's been instances even on this very site YEARS ago all the way back to when i was still admin....where i intervened on someone's behalf to stop "jokes" that were playfully and casually being thrown around by other members about their deep beautifully rich skin color. saying mess like "shadow" and "midnight".

I ONLY backed off cuz they told me "afro its OK ... i know they're just joking" in the PMs. they were ok with it so I let it be.

otherwise i woulda been knuckin buckin and eventually banning on this bitch.

that person is still a member here and i wont name them to keep them out of it. but yes. it happens Ray.

that isn't the majority here though or even like a general consensus of how we talk on here.

But I'm gonna stop this discussion after I say
That I'm being defensive in here because you and a few ppl here seem to be insinuating that Martin was show that targeted Tichina because she is Black and even though it wasn't intended in malice, it was still colorist and anti black but the actors are too blinded by their love for each other and low critical thinking skills to see it.

But I would be insulted if I were them and I was being told I'm not a critical thinker. I think they all knew they were saying things that obviously weren't the most ethically and morally appropriate things to say about each other but they were not specifically targeting Black women or ppl just for being Black

again Ray I never said ALL people talk this way either here, or anywhere else

you were clearly under the impression that certain things dont happen. so i had to provide you real life examples that could easily be verified firsthand - to show you they DO happen. and that you don't have to look far to find INSTANCES of this.

maybe that's where the "disconnect" is. you don't seem very aware.

I didn't say that you said "ALL" though. You enlarged the words majority and general consensus, so that leaves room for minority exceptions to the rule. Some things just aren't big enough to matter

maybe that's where another disconnect is

i dont feel ANY instance of making fun of a Black person for simply existing and looking Black is a kii or acceptable. i strongly believe in nipping any instance in the bud because of the real life consequences it has on people in our community.

it's 0 tolerance for me, and ive always felt this way.

u feel differently. and that's OK.

when I said some things don't matter I meant, as in no need to even bring them up to discuss or complain about them.

honestly that seems to be your attitude towards the entire discussion

very "people are so sensitive" and "it aint that serious" and "these things don't even happen"

i just dont feel that way.

this specific part of the discussion gives me very much "All Lives Matter" vibes. Like if we have to discuss things that rarely happen
Then ok...

it is your opinion and personal conclusion that these things "rarely happen"

it's important we note that.

studies conducted regarding the impact and effects of anti-Blackness within the community do NOT support this conclusion. important we note that as well.

"specific parts" are always worth discussing in a topic that is highly nuanced.
"specific parts" make up and speak to a larger issue.

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