It's fucking HERE
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Smack dab in the middle of Black History month
Tyra you undisputed KWEE 😩
I can't wait to dig in today
bitch i didnt know Jay Manuel was responsible for this iconic makeup/look!
@Lazarus (https://archive.org/download/lady-marmalade-promo-video-uhd-print-restoration/lady-marmalade-promo-video-uhd-print-restoration.thumbs/Lady%20Marmalade%20Promo%20Video%20(UHD%20Print%20Restoration)_000033.jpg)
Yes! Watching later today
Ebony looks fucking amazing
no wonder she had such a bright beam of confidence on the show
her Grandmother POURED into her. Ebony says she had customers coming into her beauty shop and always told them, "Tell my grandbaby she's Black and beautiful."
makes so much sense. and it's such a beautiful story. this goddess!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DU099TzDt4z/
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:stressed:
paused but still watching...i knew something was so different about Ms Jay
i was thinking maybe hes just tired but wow. push thru Kwing
and i'm so disappointed in the way Tyra handled things with Ebony and her "ashy" skin
and "angry" and "aggressive" attitude.
and Tyra tryna play victim when it came to Dani's story about closing her gap is BS
she's def swerving around accountability in this doc
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:stressed:
paused but still watching...i knew something was so different about Ms Jay
i was thinking maybe hes just tired but wow. push thru Kwing
and i'm so disappointed in the way Tyra handled things with Ebony and her "ashy" skin
and "angry" and "aggressive" attitude.
and Tyra tryna play victim when it came to Dani's story about closing her gap is BS
she's def swerving around accountability in this doc
it is disappointing but we are lookin at it thru a 2026 lens. i think she deserves to be forgiven.
Quote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 16, 2026, 04:20:40 PMQuote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 16, 2026, 01:49:49 PMQuote from: Kalifornia. on February 16, 2026, 01:42:03 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/DU099TzDt4z/
:stressed:
paused but still watching...i knew something was so different about Ms Jay
i was thinking maybe hes just tired but wow. push thru Kwing
and i'm so disappointed in the way Tyra handled things with Ebony and her "ashy" skin
and "angry" and "aggressive" attitude.
and Tyra tryna play victim when it came to Dani's story about closing her gap is BS
she's def swerving around accountability in this doc
it is disappointing but we are lookin at it thru a 2026 lens. i think she deserves to be forgiven.
some of this stuff Tyra shoulda known better though
if Ebony was younger than her and clocking it in real time 20 years ago , as someone in the industry with her history she prob shoulda been clocking it too
and her apologies for approx 90% of the most important things seem to be followed up with a self-victimizing statement
"im sorry for X but i was doing the best i could " (speaks to a "struggle")
"im sorry for X but i was between a rock and a hard place" (speaks to a "struggle")
i love Tyra but i cant ignore how her overlooking things has affected a lot of the young Black ladies she encountered as they share their stories in this documentary
especially Dani, Tiffany and Ebony
we can't brush absolutely everything under the rug with a "oh that was back then" excuse
still love Tyra but i'd like to see her learn how to fully take accountability for things without low key turning it around into a sob story about herself.
I never watched the show but of course I know all the shit surrounding it. I turned it on outta curiosity and it's already kinda interesting
Quote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 16, 2026, 04:29:06 PMQuote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 16, 2026, 04:20:40 PMQuote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 16, 2026, 01:49:49 PMQuote from: Kalifornia. on February 16, 2026, 01:42:03 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/DU099TzDt4z/
:stressed:
paused but still watching...i knew something was so different about Ms Jay
i was thinking maybe hes just tired but wow. push thru Kwing
and i'm so disappointed in the way Tyra handled things with Ebony and her "ashy" skin
and "angry" and "aggressive" attitude.
and Tyra tryna play victim when it came to Dani's story about closing her gap is BS
she's def swerving around accountability in this doc
it is disappointing but we are lookin at it thru a 2026 lens. i think she deserves to be forgiven.
some of this stuff Tyra shoulda known better though
if Ebony was younger than her and clocking it in real time 20 years ago , as someone in the industry with her history she prob shoulda been clocking it too
and her apologies for approx 90% of the most important things seem to be followed up with a self-victimizing statement
"im sorry for X but i was doing the best i could " (speaks to a "struggle")
"im sorry for X but i was between a rock and a hard place" (speaks to a "struggle")
i love Tyra but i cant ignore how her overlooking things has affected a lot of the young Black ladies she encountered
especially Dani, Tiffany and Ebony
we can't brush absolutely everything under the rug with a "oh that was back then" excuse
still love Tyra but i'd like to see her learn how to fully take accountability for things without low key turning it around into a sob story about herself.
i mean she was doing the best she could tho? if thats how she felt why cant she say that??
also this isnt to you but one thing i dont like about the doc is that they are making it seem like tyra is just some wicked witch who was trying to tear down these girls and push them to the limits.
this isnt the first reality show and it wont be the last. not everyone gets to win. they are making it seem like these girls were all promised a million dollar modeling contract and thats not the case. even the winners, sometimes things dont work out.
i'll say this. tyra is an agent of the devil, yes. but when it comes to antm, some stuff may have been problematic, but it genuinely was preparing then for the real fashion industry which is... problematic. so she kinda delivered on her promise.
but to her credit, Tyra did admit they could have done a way better job of letting the gorls know that "not everyone is gonna be a star" even the gorls who win.
one could argue that "hey thats life why does that need to be explained"
but this was a show selling a "life changing opportunity" to young ladies who weren't WISE enough yet to really understand that just because you make it on TV and even win something "big" on TV...there's no guarantee of sustained success and opportunity.
even viewers who didn't have the experience firsthand were left confused when winners didn't "win" in life after ANTM. because we were kinda sold the same idea as viewers. that's what made us tune in and root for our favs.
hell, the show title in itself is seemingly a promise of success. "America's Next Top Model"
so you can only imagine what it's like to actually live through that.
Quote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 16, 2026, 04:38:04 PMQuote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 16, 2026, 04:29:06 PMQuote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 16, 2026, 04:20:40 PMQuote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 16, 2026, 01:49:49 PMQuote from: Kalifornia. on February 16, 2026, 01:42:03 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/DU099TzDt4z/
:stressed:
paused but still watching...i knew something was so different about Ms Jay
i was thinking maybe hes just tired but wow. push thru Kwing
and i'm so disappointed in the way Tyra handled things with Ebony and her "ashy" skin
and "angry" and "aggressive" attitude.
and Tyra tryna play victim when it came to Dani's story about closing her gap is BS
she's def swerving around accountability in this doc
it is disappointing but we are lookin at it thru a 2026 lens. i think she deserves to be forgiven.
some of this stuff Tyra shoulda known better though
if Ebony was younger than her and clocking it in real time 20 years ago , as someone in the industry with her history she prob shoulda been clocking it too
and her apologies for approx 90% of the most important things seem to be followed up with a self-victimizing statement
"im sorry for X but i was doing the best i could " (speaks to a "struggle")
"im sorry for X but i was between a rock and a hard place" (speaks to a "struggle")
i love Tyra but i cant ignore how her overlooking things has affected a lot of the young Black ladies she encountered
especially Dani, Tiffany and Ebony
we can't brush absolutely everything under the rug with a "oh that was back then" excuse
still love Tyra but i'd like to see her learn how to fully take accountability for things without low key turning it around into a sob story about herself.
i mean she was doing the best she could tho? if thats how she felt why cant she say that??
also this isnt to you but one thing i dont like about the doc is that they are making it seem like tyra is just some wicked witch who was trying to tear down these girls and push them to the limits.
this isnt the first reality show and it wont be the last. not everyone gets to win. they are making it seem like these girls were all promised a million dollar modeling contract and thats not the case. even the winners, sometimes things dont work out.
more than one thing can be true at the same time
i 100% believe people are dramatic when it comes to nitpicking on Tyra
and i think a lot of it comes from her being a Black woman in a position of power and this apparent need to put her in her place
but at the same time there are things Tyra should def take accountability for
"i did the best i could" is a phrase that is often used as a vague cop out when someone is "apologizing". it's a phrase i would 100% refrain from using when apologizing to someone or taking accountability for something.
if you MUST find a way to redirect it to yourself (when in that moment, it should really only be about the person/people you're apologizing to).... find a way to rephrase with something meaningful instead of a cliche cop out. it just doesn't come off well
Dani is clocking the BS filler language and I'm with her.
Quote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 16, 2026, 04:54:12 PMQuote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 16, 2026, 04:38:04 PMQuote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 16, 2026, 04:29:06 PMQuote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 16, 2026, 04:20:40 PMQuote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 16, 2026, 01:49:49 PMQuote from: Kalifornia. on February 16, 2026, 01:42:03 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/DU099TzDt4z/
:stressed:
paused but still watching...i knew something was so different about Ms Jay
i was thinking maybe hes just tired but wow. push thru Kwing
and i'm so disappointed in the way Tyra handled things with Ebony and her "ashy" skin
and "angry" and "aggressive" attitude.
and Tyra tryna play victim when it came to Dani's story about closing her gap is BS
she's def swerving around accountability in this doc
it is disappointing but we are lookin at it thru a 2026 lens. i think she deserves to be forgiven.
some of this stuff Tyra shoulda known better though
if Ebony was younger than her and clocking it in real time 20 years ago , as someone in the industry with her history she prob shoulda been clocking it too
and her apologies for approx 90% of the most important things seem to be followed up with a self-victimizing statement
"im sorry for X but i was doing the best i could " (speaks to a "struggle")
"im sorry for X but i was between a rock and a hard place" (speaks to a "struggle")
i love Tyra but i cant ignore how her overlooking things has affected a lot of the young Black ladies she encountered
especially Dani, Tiffany and Ebony
we can't brush absolutely everything under the rug with a "oh that was back then" excuse
still love Tyra but i'd like to see her learn how to fully take accountability for things without low key turning it around into a sob story about herself.
i mean she was doing the best she could tho? if thats how she felt why cant she say that??
also this isnt to you but one thing i dont like about the doc is that they are making it seem like tyra is just some wicked witch who was trying to tear down these girls and push them to the limits.
this isnt the first reality show and it wont be the last. not everyone gets to win. they are making it seem like these girls were all promised a million dollar modeling contract and thats not the case. even the winners, sometimes things dont work out.
more than one thing can be true at the same time
i 100% believe people are dramatic when it comes to nitpicking on Tyra
and i think a lot of it comes from her being a Black woman in a position of power and this apparent need to put her in her place
but at the same time there are things Tyra should def take accountability for
"i did the best i could" is a phrase that is often used as a vague cop out when someone is "apologizing". it's a phrase i would 100% refrain from using when apologizing to someone or taking accountability for something.
if you MUST find a way to redirect it to yourself.... find a way to rephrase with something meaningful instead of a cliche cop out. it just doesn't come off well
Dani is clocking the BS filler language and I'm with her.
i mean thats your opinion for sure, if i feel like i really did try, I am going to say that. i can phrase it a million different ways but it still means the same. She did the best she could at that time.
Her being black is apart of it for sure.
I think her even doing the doc is proof she knows she did somethings wrong and she is the face so she is going to get most the blame over Ken or other producers.
I think her trying to do it again and do it differently is what she can do to kinda atone.
She should open a modeling agency where she can pick the models or sign the winner to her agency that way she can control everything instead of pawning them off to another agency who wont care for them.
Quote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 16, 2026, 04:44:40 PMbut to her credit, Tyra did admit they could have done a way better job of letting the gorls know that "not everyone is gonna be a star" even the gorls who win.
one could argue that "hey thats life why does that need to be explained"
but this was a show selling a "life changing opportunity" to young ladies who weren't WISE enough yet to really understand that just because you make it on TV and even win something "big" on TV...there's no guarantee of sustained success and opportunity.
even viewers who didn't have the experience firsthand were left confused when winners didn't "win" in life after ANTM. because we were kinda sold the same idea as viewers. that's what made us tune in and root for our favs.
hell, the show title in itself is seemingly a promise of success. "America's Next Top Model"
so you can only imagine what it's like to actually live through that.
I call bullshit. That's like assuming everyone that won American Idol was promised a huge career as a recording artist.
Quote from: BetterAngels on February 16, 2026, 07:58:48 PMQuote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 16, 2026, 04:44:40 PMbut to her credit, Tyra did admit they could have done a way better job of letting the gorls know that "not everyone is gonna be a star" even the gorls who win.
one could argue that "hey thats life why does that need to be explained"
but this was a show selling a "life changing opportunity" to young ladies who weren't WISE enough yet to really understand that just because you make it on TV and even win something "big" on TV...there's no guarantee of sustained success and opportunity.
even viewers who didn't have the experience firsthand were left confused when winners didn't "win" in life after ANTM. because we were kinda sold the same idea as viewers. that's what made us tune in and root for our favs.
hell, the show title in itself is seemingly a promise of success. "America's Next Top Model"
so you can only imagine what it's like to actually live through that.
I call bullshit. That's like assuming everyone that won American Idol was promised a huge career as a recording artist.
to say an 18 year old was unreasonable to believe they'd become a "Top Model" after actually winning when the show was literally called "Americas Next Top Model" is unreasonable in itself
Remember these are younger people for the most part. Not fully grown adults who shoulda "known better"
It's not much different from people who thought they would be rich after signing huge recording contracts in the 90s only to find out it doesn't always work that way even if you've sold millions.
The average person over 20 years ago wasn't savvy enough to know "fame" doesn't always equate to fortune. Especially super impressionable younger people who were dreaming of leaving tough backgrounds and situations behind.
This is beyond empathy, I'd say it's common sense.
And it's no coincidence that the most infamous moment on ANTM involves Tiffany, a young girl who had one of the toughest life stories.
Grandma getting lights cut off to get her there, coming from the hood looking for better.
The ideal contestant for ANTM had a rougher background. A "story" for them to work with. And guess what, many people with those stories often are desperate to leave situations. They're more susceptible to fantasizing about new realities and how being the "Next Top Model" can bring that to them.
That desperation will drive them to compete harder and losing will hit them harder when and if they're forced to return home to what they were hoping they'd never have to see again.
If you think show producers didn't know this and didn't low key prey on it, you're just as naive as the gorls who participated at 18.
i just finished it, and i have to say i was surprised at how many situations i was team tyra on.
but she can go to hell for the way she did nigel and the jays.
What about Ebony's skin was ashy? Is it that they wanted her to be shiny?
Tyra talking about surprising urges after Shandi drunk fucked that Italian man ncncnccncncn
"I would love to change the rule but until that happens... it's all about choices, Keenyah. You can get a burger and take the bread off. I make it WORK when I have to."
MDCMCMCMCNCNNCNNCNCN
Quote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on February 17, 2026, 04:57:22 AMWhat about Ebony's skin was ashy? Is it that they wanted her to be shiny?
even back then watching that scene of those hairstylists giggling and making "jokes" as they played in ebony's hair didn't sit right with me. Even if I wasn't able to articulate what it was at the time I knew I was uncomfortable watching it.
There's only so many excuses we can make with this "2026 lens!" stuff
Especially when Ebony was clocking tea in real time
But I def understand how some of the shoot concepts may have seemed harmless and creative at the time.
Quote from: klappa. on February 16, 2026, 10:35:11 PMi just finished it, and i have to say i was surprised at how many situations i was team tyra on.
it was the opposite for me
i 100% came in thinking i'd be rooting for Tyra cuz i live for her
but seeing Dani break down the way she did
Tyra admitting to Dani that she knew she was suffering and did nothing about to help her...well after Dani was well past her prime modeling years.....was super hurtful to her
and it's almost like , what was the point of her telling her that information AFTER the damage was already done and was irreversible at that age? it clearly hurt Dani even more to know that Tyra knew what was going on and didn't help her when she needed it most
even in that moment of Tyra "coming clean" or "taking accountability" to Dani there's still an underlying sense of selfishness. like, in order to make yourself feel better so you could sleep at night you had to make Dani feel worse by letting her know how much you didn't give af.
and the way she treated Mr. Jay once he let her know he'd be leaving is giving classic narcissistic "mask falls off" teas
it was "hehe!" "ki ki!" and "hey bestie!" and slumber parties with ice cream when things were going Tyra's way, but the moment Jay decided it was time to move on from being her right hand man on ANTM, she morphed into a complete bitch towards him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_JHjJrCHXM
but i'd say one thing Mr. Jay probably should have done instead of sending an email is maybe pick up the phone to call Tyra with the news of his departure.
he said he was giving her the courtesy of telling her first because they had a special connection as friends. i dunno if they normally communicated through emails but few friends do . friends communicate through texts and phone calls. especially when they have big, life changing news to tell each other.
the email sounded very formal and something you'd send an employer "thanking them for the opportunity", etc.
yes it woulda been a very uncomfortable and awkward conversation and it's much easier to just type something up and hit "send"....but sometimes the way you choose to end things can really have an effect on how it's received and the reaction you get.
Not saying that Tyra isn't a bitch but def feels like another situation where they're deflecting from things they've done themselves.
Quote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on February 17, 2026, 06:59:43 AMNot saying that Tyra isn't a bitch but def feels like another situation where they're deflecting from things they've done themselves.
i do feel like mr. Jay may have been leaving stuff out
Cuz if you're kii kii gorlfriends why are you sending such a formal email to let her know of your departure instead of picking up the phone
At the very least, I think there may have been lingering tension beforehand
And that the transition from Tyra being his bestie to "don't look at me" wasn't as immediate as he's presenting it
But I don't think he did anything bad to Tyra. Jay seems to know how to play his position and keep it cute. I 100% believe he played that role of her "loyal gay bestie" .
And to his credit he did admit that he felt himself drifting away from the show and what they were doing with it. That could speak to the tension that I believe was in the air before that email was sent.
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Tiffany should've been interviewed for this doc. I'm pretty sure Tyra said no ma'am because she definitely didn't want the REAL put out there.
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't she coming for Tiff' and her SON sleeping on air mattresses?! :uhh: :uhh:
Quote from: Lazarus on February 17, 2026, 07:49:03 AM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HBW2xtnXIAEz_jn?format=jpg&name=large)
mr. Jay did say there was a lot more said in that judging room to Tiffany that wasn't well-intended at all
I def call BS on Tyra just going off cuz she cared. That double-elimination was crafted as a way to scare the gorls into working harder and when Tiffany wasn't dramatically distraught, Tyra was pissed cuz her being seemingly at ease made the remaining gorls less visibly petrified than she wanted.
Not only that, but it took away from the dramatic effect that moment was supposed to give the cameras.
Maybe there was some love n care mixed up somewhere in that explosion Tyra had but that was not the main reason. I believe Tiffany
& Dani is fucking beautiful :stressed:
Something about her gives me Ciara vibes
Quote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 17, 2026, 09:57:28 AMQuote from: Lazarus on February 17, 2026, 07:49:03 AM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HBW2xtnXIAEz_jn?format=jpg&name=large)
mr. Jay did say there was a lot more said in that judging room to Tiffany that wasn't well-intended at all
I def call BS on Tyra just going off cuz she cared. That double-elimination was crafted as a way to scare the gorls into working harder and when Tiffany wasn't dramatically distraught, Tyra was pissed cuz her being seemingly at ease made the remaining gorls less visibly petrified than she wanted.
Maybe there was some love n care mixed up somewhere in that explosion Tyra had but that was not the main reason
I definitely believe had Tiffany broke down crying/begging to stay, Tyra would've voided that "double elimination" mess with quickness.
I could've definitely seen Tyra giving a: "if you don't wanna go home then get your butt back in line and stop giving up"
Quote from: Dee on February 17, 2026, 09:58:11 AM& Dani is fucking beautiful :stressed:
Something about her gives me Ciara vibes
ndndndndndnndnfnfnnd
I thought it was just me. I def get GODara vibes
Like she's not her twin but like u said there's something I can't put my finger on
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:guys:
Quote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 17, 2026, 07:13:29 AMQuote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on February 17, 2026, 06:59:43 AMNot saying that Tyra isn't a bitch but def feels like another situation where they're deflecting from things they've done themselves.
i do feel like mr. Jay may have been leaving stuff out
Cuz if you're kii kii gorlfriends why are you sending such a formal email to let her know of your departure instead of picking up the phone
At the very least, I think there may have been lingering tension beforehand
And that the transition from Tyra being his bestie to "don't look at me" wasn't as immediate as he's presenting it
But I don't think he did anything bad to Tyra. Jay seems to know how to play his position and keep it cute. I 100% believe he played that role of her "loyal gay bestie" .
And to his credit he did admit that he felt himself drifting away from the show and what they were doing with it. That could speak to the tension that I believe was in the air before that email was sent.
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Tyra wasn't the only one who struggled with accountability. For the staff/bts team, the went along with the shenanigans but now try to pit it all on Tyra. Even some of the contestants.
Quote from: Dee on February 17, 2026, 09:54:05 AMn
Tiffany should've been interviewed for this doc. I'm pretty sure Tyra said no ma'am because she definitely didn't want the REAL put out there.
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't she coming for Tiff' and her SON sleeping on air mattresses?! :uhh: :uhh:
honestly, tiff probably declined. she already did one of these youtube fan interviews where she aired tyra out and she seemed completely over it even then.
thug misses self
yea, i remember being pissed at tiff my damn self because i was rooting for her downe all season and she literally just gave tf UP at that judging challenge. so i definitely think tyras anger was genuine. "wasn't well-intentioned!" and wasn't meant to be. girl i paid for therapy and brought your bar-fighting ass back for a 2nd season just for you to give up and play in my face. i wouldve been lashing the shit outta her too.
but now what she did to dani was fucked upppppp. like, you knew? tyra is so disingenuine it's literally disturbing in a way.
Tyra was hitting below the belt bringing her grandmother into it
i 100% believe Mr. Jay when he said a lot more was said to Tiffany that wasn't included in the show which was "not well-intended"
and the fact that one of the judges (Nole Moran) made a point of saying lawyers were called in after that scene..and the face he made
they're clearly tip toeing not to be too messy but the implications are clear.
it can be frustrating to watch someone self-sabotage when u see their potential but the answer isn't yelling at them AFTER you've already made the decision to kick them off the show. like, what's the point. you gave her the boot and she was on her way out.
why didn't she get all that yelling and neck rolling and speeches from Tyra before she simply smiled and tried to keep her head up as she got dismissed.
Tiffany even told her "I'm hurt, but I'm tired of crying" but Tyra kept going. Her yelling at her as she literally looked down on her was more important in that moment than what Tiffany actually admitted. At that moment she was just to shut her mouth and listen to Tyra's speech.
Tyra admitted she went too far and I'm glad she did.
The fact that what we saw is the censored version is wild.
Dani is doing just fine. Kween had a lucrative and successful fedora hat business.
No wonder she didn't hesitate to keep her foot on Tyra's neck during this doc.
https://monrowenyc.com/
Seeing THEE Stevie Wonder perched in one of her creations are massive.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DJVGsaZONMh/?igsh=MXAyMHF3NXdvZmtsag== (https://www.instagram.com/p/DJVGsaZONMh/?igsh=MXAyMHF3NXdvZmtsag==)
you know what, i did feel like dani was doing the most a bit, only because i felt like i had definitely seen her working. but after she broke it down, i 100% understood her pain.
fck tyra
Quote from: klappa. on February 16, 2026, 04:42:37 PMi'll say this. tyra is an agent of the devil, yes. but when it comes to antm, some stuff may have been problematic, but it genuinely was preparing then for the real fashion industry which is... problematic. so she kinda delivered on her promise.
!!!!
She also never made it a secret on the show just how brutal and cut-throat the modeling industry is, and how the show was preparing them for that.
Quote from: Kalifornia. on February 17, 2026, 01:58:00 PMQuote from: klappa. on February 16, 2026, 04:42:37 PMi'll say this. tyra is an agent of the devil, yes. but when it comes to antm, some stuff may have been problematic, but it genuinely was preparing then for the real fashion industry which is... problematic. so she kinda delivered on her promise.
!!!!
She also never made it a secret on the show just how brutal and cut-throat the modeling industry is, and how the show was preparing them for that.
i somewhat agree
but at the same time, she also projected an image of her being a "mama bear", "big sis", "auntie" tea.
having "heart to heart" convos isn't exactly staying consistent with a "prepare yo ass for the real modeling world" mess owt.
so any girl who came there expecting that didn't have unreasonable expectations. and if they were disappointed in instances where she appeared to be giving them the complete opposite feeling of "mama bear big sis auntie", that wouldn't be unreasonable either.
so many things can be true at once
Who cares? :letsmessfag: ready for the new season :charon:
Will she ever release this on streaming services?
Quote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 17, 2026, 02:02:57 PMQuote from: Kalifornia. on February 17, 2026, 01:58:00 PMQuote from: klappa. on February 16, 2026, 04:42:37 PMi'll say this. tyra is an agent of the devil, yes. but when it comes to antm, some stuff may have been problematic, but it genuinely was preparing then for the real fashion industry which is... problematic. so she kinda delivered on her promise.
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She also never made it a secret on the show just how brutal and cut-throat the modeling industry is, and how the show was preparing them for that.
i somewhat agree
but at the same time, she also projected an image of her being a "mama bear", "big sis", "auntie" tea.
having "heart to heart" convos isn't exactly staying consistent with a "prepare yo ass for the real modeling world" mess owt.
so any girl who came there expecting that didn't have unreasonable expectations. and if they were disappointed in instances where she appeared to be giving them the complete opposite feeling of "mama bear big sis auntie", that wouldn't be unreasonable either.
so many things can be true at once
I agree. Tyra definitely did some fucked up mess she needs to take accountability for. However, it's not like the girls weren't made aware of the stakes. They also had the option to quit when they saw what was what.
Like you said, many things can be true at once.
Quote from: Lazarus on February 17, 2026, 02:13:20 PM
Will she ever release this on streaming services?
im still crying at Mr. Jay revealing that she recorded an unreleased ballad during those studio sessions
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i can only imagine how dramatic the mess is
kwee is a kii
goddess is far from perfect and isn't exempt from being called on her shit
but yeah. :blessed:
Quote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 16, 2026, 08:28:02 AMTyra you undisputed KWEE 😩
I can't wait to dig in today
Quote from: Kalifornia. on February 17, 2026, 01:58:00 PMQuote from: klappa. on February 16, 2026, 04:42:37 PMi'll say this. tyra is an agent of the devil, yes. but when it comes to antm, some stuff may have been problematic, but it genuinely was preparing then for the real fashion industry which is... problematic. so she kinda delivered on her promise.
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She also never made it a secret on the show just how brutal and cut-throat the modeling industry is, and how the show was preparing them for that.
precisely. i think a lot of ppl are holding tyra accountable for things she had no control over. for instance, the comepletely useless girl in the documentary saying trya was holding the girls to the same standards that stifled her, but AGAIN failing to acknowledge that tyra was preparing these girls for the REALITY of the fashion industry. she could have fed them this "every body type is celebrated! all sized welcomed!" bs, and the moment they entered the real fashion indusry they wouldve been eaten alive. so she's kinda damn if she does, damned if she doesn't... in that particular aspect of the show.
again, she is NOT without fault overall.
like shandi, hun, you slutted tf out on a reality show where you were fully aware everything was being filmed and you were grown. take your L keep it pushing. nobodies fault but yours.
Tiffany's son was killed last year during an attempted robbery
the same son she just had given birth to 20 years ago right before she appeared on Top Model.
no wonder she seemed to have turned down doing the documentary
goddess has/had bigger things on her plate recently. this sucks. having to deal with the loss as this doc was in the works to be released and people probably ringing her phone to rehash the mess once again.
talk about horrible timing. my heart is with Tiff
https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/169254/america-s-next-top-model-star-tiffany-richardson-s-son-shot-dead-robbery-gone-wrong
Quote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 17, 2026, 06:32:39 PMTiffany's son was killed last year during an attempted robbery
the same son she just had given birth to 20 years ago right before she appeared on Top Model.
no wonder she seemed to have turned down doing the documentary
goddess has/had bigger things on her plate recently. this sucks. having to deal with the loss as this doc was in the works to be released and people probably ringing her phone to rehash the mess once again.
talk about horrible timing. my heart is with Tiff
https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/169254/america-s-next-top-model-star-tiffany-richardson-s-son-shot-dead-robbery-gone-wrong
This is so terrible, I hope she's doing ok
EDIT: a lot of footage from this was filmed 2 years ago
Tiffany did NOT recently participate in another doc mess
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omg she did do a new special with Nightline
on Hulu!
just popped up in my recommendations
and bitch Angelea Preston is on this one too
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and Janice!
wtf. this SEGREGATED tea between Hulu/Flix participants
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correction: a lot of footage from this was filmed 2 years ago
Tiffany did NOT recently participate in another doc mess
i knew that outfit she was wearing looked familiar
Dateline/Hulu just threw together some lazy compilation of MESS and threw it out while the convos still hot to ride Netflix's coattails
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The Janice footage/interview seems fresh though.
Quote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 17, 2026, 06:32:39 PMTiffany's son was killed last year during an attempted robbery
the same son she just had given birth to 20 years ago right before she appeared on Top Model.
no wonder she seemed to have turned down doing the documentary
goddess has/had bigger things on her plate recently. this sucks. having to deal with the loss as this doc was in the works to be released and people probably ringing her phone to rehash the mess once again.
talk about horrible timing. my heart is with Tiff
https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/169254/america-s-next-top-model-star-tiffany-richardson-s-son-shot-dead-robbery-gone-wrong
QuoteThe 21-year-old college student from Miami was reportedly attempting to steal $600 worth of Pokemon trading cards and booster packs when he was shot by store manager and ex-Marine Derrick Guerrero.
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RIP
Quote from: Kalifornia. on February 17, 2026, 08:37:24 PMQuote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 17, 2026, 06:32:39 PMTiffany's son was killed last year during an attempted robbery
the same son she just had given birth to 20 years ago right before she appeared on Top Model.
no wonder she seemed to have turned down doing the documentary
goddess has/had bigger things on her plate recently. this sucks. having to deal with the loss as this doc was in the works to be released and people probably ringing her phone to rehash the mess once again.
talk about horrible timing. my heart is with Tiff
https://www.the-express.com/entertainment/celebrity-news/169254/america-s-next-top-model-star-tiffany-richardson-s-son-shot-dead-robbery-gone-wrong
QuoteThe 21-year-old college student from Miami was reportedly attempting to steal $600 worth of Pokemon trading cards and booster packs when he was shot by store manager and ex-Marine Derrick Guerrero.
:dead:
the manager claims it was a "warning shot"
but im more inclined to believe an ex-marine did a "bullseye" mess instead of missing his target
he just prob didn't expect the shot to be fatal
watching now
Quote from: Lazarus on February 17, 2026, 07:49:03 AM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HBW2xtnXIAEz_jn?format=jpg&name=large)
damn so tyra was right about those anger management issues.
The modeling world is cut throat.
And the show depicted that.
These girls would have dealt with craziness in the modeling world regardless.
im sorry tyra is a genius
:stressed:
Oof I'm glad on the Shandi part... UPN as a whole should've got packed up after that or at least they would've in 2026
Shandi looks completely different :dead:
listen
i was like, i thiiiink who is that is but imma need a name to pop up on the screen. she didn't look bad, but... who was that? :uhh:
Quote from: klappa. on February 18, 2026, 09:33:43 AMlisten
i was like, i thiiiink who is that is but imma need a name to pop up on the screen. she didn't look bad, but... who was that? :uhh:
Hshshsh
Like NOTHING looks the same
I was hoping Queen Camille would be perched. I just started the second eps.
The thing is I remember Eboni being a ki, she wasn't aggressive at all but I guess they already decided that would be her role :ermm:
as a kid i did think ebony was funny yet mean. but as an adult... she did nothing wrong
also i ran into her into her once on the street. she was so fckn cool. love that gir
Even when Giselle confronted about her about the grease thing
It was obviously an uncomfortable convo for both of them as it always is when u have to let a roommate/neighbor something they're doing is annoying you
But she was even reasonable and calm in the way she received that . After understandably being taken aback a bit, She just said "ok I'll be more mindful "
When most people woulda probably started rolling their eyes and feeling "attacked" and lashing out and accusing the complaining neighbor of being unreasonably nitpicky...and seeking revenge
She remained solution focused. And the fact that she was in her VERY early 20s. Queen I salute u
Tbh a lot of people WISH they had a neighbor like Ebony.
I remember Ms Jay visiting them and when he grabbed Eboni she slipped out his hand cause of all that OIL :kii: :plzstop:
And I think another thing that led to people misunderstanding her was that Ebony was the only NYC gorl in the house
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That's def worth noting
By nature many of us are a lot more direct and less passive
It's not rudeness or mean . It's just not fluffy and warm or sugarcoated.
Ive noticed people in the south/other places love to beat around the bush and smile . The "bless ur heart ❤️ ☺️ " teas
:plzstop:
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on February 18, 2026, 11:25:22 AMI remember Ms Jay visiting them and we grabbed Eboni she slipped out his hand cause of all that OIL :kii: :plzstop:
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Quote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 18, 2026, 11:26:45 AMAnd I think another thing that led to people misunderstanding her was that Ebony was the only NYC gorl in the house
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That's def worth noting
By nature many of us are a lot more direct and less passive
It's not rudeness or mean . It's just not fluffy and warm or sugarcoated.
Ive noticed people in the south/other places love to beat around the bush and smile . The "bless ur heart ❤️ ☺️ " teas
:plzstop:
It does come off as rude tho. Even if you mean ass, rude ass, not saying excuse me as you walk by ass nyc bitches don't mean it to be. :plzstop:
Quote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 18, 2026, 01:21:41 PMQuote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 18, 2026, 11:26:45 AMAnd I think another thing that led to people misunderstanding her was that Ebony was the only NYC gorl in the house
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That's def worth noting
By nature many of us are a lot more direct and less passive
It's not rudeness or mean . It's just not fluffy and warm or sugarcoated.
Ive noticed people in the south/other places love to beat around the bush and smile . The "bless ur heart ❤️ ☺️ " teas
:plzstop:
It does come off as rude tho. Even if you mean ass, rude ass, not saying excuse me as you walk by ass nyc bitches don't mean it to be. :plzstop:
yeah i was gonna say if people aren't used to someone moving like that it can be perceived as rude.
but them calling her "angry" and "aggressive" was a lot
on top of her look being "too rough".
goddess still looks damn good
(https://media.glamourmagazine.co.uk/photos/699448d88b6d79c50bceaea1/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/TOP%2520MODEL%2520HORROR%2520170226%2520Ebony-Haith-Reality_Check__Inside_America's_Next_Top_Model_n_S1_E1_00_40_06_02.jpg)
This is how I feel.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DU9Cj5UDM9N/
Im not hating or mad at Tyra. They act like Tyra was behind the scenes killing people. I stand with her
You cannot tell me Miss Jay and Jay Alexander weren't bitches as well. Noticing a pattern.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DU8q8MBjsb3/
I wanna know what happened here. There's more to this than they spoke on
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DU8nXhJj5yp/
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 19, 2026, 09:09:01 PMThis is how I feel.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DU9Cj5UDM9N/
Im not hating or mad at Tyra. They act like Tyra was behind the scenes killing people. I stand with her
Dani's overall assessment of Tyra was fair IMO
she said Tyra started with good intentions and got "lost" and i completely agree
Tyra def started off wanting to be against the grain and different in the best way possible
going against the machine and showing gorls a new definition of beauty
but slowly figured out as things got bigger and more hands got into the pot....that in order to play and win, u kinda gotta become the machine and incorporate elements of that machine into ur tea.
and she also figured out people will get bored with ur show...quickly. so she was forced to find ways to spice things up and get/keep everyone's attention. it's so easy to get "lost" along the way and make mistakes when you're tryna find the "balance" that Sherri is referencing, and you're trying to be creative and edgy enough to keep viewers engaged.
Tyra is still kwee :cheerup:
Jerry KINGer had a similar journey , to the extreme
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his show started off with politics/serious topics and he literally just wanted it to be a regular run-of-the-mill talk show with intellect and class and blah blah blah 🥱
until the gorls (as in: the iconic genius producer Richard Dominick) tapped him on the shoulder and told him that shit is boring
Jerry was initially reluctant but after they dropped his show all the way to a 2AM slot, he realized it was switching the mess up or getting cancelled completely
king said let them hoes fight
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Quote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 18, 2026, 01:40:06 PMQuote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 18, 2026, 01:21:41 PMQuote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 18, 2026, 11:26:45 AMAnd I think another thing that led to people misunderstanding her was that Ebony was the only NYC gorl in the house
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That's def worth noting
By nature many of us are a lot more direct and less passive
It's not rudeness or mean . It's just not fluffy and warm or sugarcoated.
Ive noticed people in the south/other places love to beat around the bush and smile . The "bless ur heart ❤️ ☺️ " teas
:plzstop:
It does come off as rude tho. Even if you mean ass, rude ass, not saying excuse me as you walk by ass nyc bitches don't mean it to be. :plzstop:
yeah i was gonna say if people aren't used to someone moving like that it can be perceived as rude.
but them calling her "angry" and "aggressive" was a lot
on top of her look being "too rough".
goddess still looks damn good
(https://media.glamourmagazine.co.uk/photos/699448d88b6d79c50bceaea1/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/TOP%2520MODEL%2520HORROR%2520170226%2520Ebony-Haith-Reality_Check__Inside_America's_Next_Top_Model_n_S1_E1_00_40_06_02.jpg)
Love my Harlem Queen! She deserved better
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 19, 2026, 09:09:01 PMThis is how I feel.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DU9Cj5UDM9N/
Im not hating or mad at Tyra. They act like Tyra was behind the scenes killing people. I stand with her
sherri said a bunch of nothing here. i'm sure you've made some bad decisions, sherr'. luckily yours weren't on camera. tyras were
:letsmessfag:
she juiced those girls and threw the pulp away vcccx
Quote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 18, 2026, 01:40:06 PMQuote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 18, 2026, 01:21:41 PMQuote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 18, 2026, 11:26:45 AMAnd I think another thing that led to people misunderstanding her was that Ebony was the only NYC gorl in the house
Dnndndnndnfnfnnfnfnnfnfndndn
That's def worth noting
By nature many of us are a lot more direct and less passive
It's not rudeness or mean . It's just not fluffy and warm or sugarcoated.
Ive noticed people in the south/other places love to beat around the bush and smile . The "bless ur heart ❤️ ☺️ " teas
:plzstop:
It does come off as rude tho. Even if you mean ass, rude ass, not saying excuse me as you walk by ass nyc bitches don't mean it to be. :plzstop:
yeah i was gonna say if people aren't used to someone moving like that it can be perceived as rude.
but them calling her "angry" and "aggressive" was a lot
on top of her look being "too rough".
goddess still looks damn good
(https://media.glamourmagazine.co.uk/photos/699448d88b6d79c50bceaea1/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/TOP%2520MODEL%2520HORROR%2520170226%2520Ebony-Haith-Reality_Check__Inside_America's_Next_Top_Model_n_S1_E1_00_40_06_02.jpg)
Ebony is looking better than she did during her season!
Tyra did not act alone. They're trying to force her to take accountability when they haven't fully done so and it's so corny. Now they wanna force an alliance?
Fuck Jay Manuel.
Fuck Miss Jay.
And Fuck Nigel Barker. (And he could actually still fuck me a bit)
Quote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on February 20, 2026, 08:18:21 AMTyra did not act alone. They're trying to force her to take accountability when they haven't fully done so and it's so corny. Now they wanna force an alliance?
Fuck Jay Manuel.
Fuck Miss Jay.
And Fuck Nigel Barker. (And he could actually still fuck me a bit)
In the second ep (I'm watching now) Jay Manuel is acting like the photoshoot concepts were production's idea, but in ep 1 they clearly said the Jay's creatively directed the photoshoots :diddraispoot:
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Sis just KNEW this was gonna be her CIL moment.
I can lowkey hear JLo on this...she can definitely give a FRAGILE vocal :plzstop:
wtf they widened the gap in a girl's teeth :plzstop:
Keenyah is still beautiful
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 19, 2026, 09:09:01 PMThis is how I feel.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DU9Cj5UDM9N/
Im not hating or mad at Tyra. They act like Tyra was behind the scenes killing people. I stand with her
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this is all that i was trying to say earlier. I stand wth tyra too.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 19, 2026, 10:09:10 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/DU8q8MBjsb3/
Eva is GLOWING she is so damn beautiful shit!! she preached here. I love that she says she will never not thank tyra. alot of the gorls in the doc, like danielle just seem like they HATE tyra but you wouldnt be sitting here without her sis. thank HER
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on February 20, 2026, 10:31:38 AMKeenyah is still beautiful
i wanted her to win so bad. she hasnt aged a day.. all the black gorls still look GOOD!! shandi on the other hand looks like a killer whale
Jay Manuel looks like Jigsaw btw.
Quote from: Buy The Stars✨ on February 20, 2026, 10:46:47 AMQuote from: Gilgamesh. on February 20, 2026, 10:31:38 AMKeenyah is still beautiful
i wanted her to win so bad. she hasnt aged a day.. all the black gorls still look GOOD!! shandi on the other hand looks like a killer whale
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I don't even remember this Dionne lady but she's gorgeous.
oh i stanned dionne downe. she just wasn't enough drama to make it far, she was super chill.
and she ATE every girl up on this docu-series. looked the same, if not tf younger.
Dani was always my favorite. I hate she never saw any success after top model
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on February 20, 2026, 10:49:57 AMJay Manuel looks like Jigsaw btw.
love king but def wish he woulda kept his face as is
but i understand if he felt a way especially in the industry he's in.
and yes all the Black girls looked amazing
i was like how the fuck does Dionne look younger and better than she did 20 years ago? :plzstop:
and it's not even a courtesy "ur so beautiful for ur age! fine wine!" compliment . bitch she literally looks younger and fresher
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Black women are magical beings. :blessed:
and deserve ALL the things!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DU9EcuIiTwH/
bvvvv i guess jay won't be perched for cycle 25
but yea tyra is the devil
Quote from: Slavic Pocahontas on February 20, 2026, 12:15:04 PMand yes all the Black girls looked amazing
i was like how the fuck does Dionne look younger and better than she did 20 years ago? :plzstop:
and it's not even a courtesy "ur so beautiful for ur age! fine wine!" compliment . bitch she literally looks younger and fresher
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Shandi still looks like she works at Walgreens
Quote from: Harlem on February 20, 2026, 10:18:07 PMShandi still looks like she works at Walgreens
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Wasn't the winner of season one married to that Brady bunch guy? I remember them having a show
Oh...they divorced in 2013 and she's now a Trump supporter
Quote from: JCJ on February 20, 2026, 11:11:29 PMOh...they divorced in 2013 and she's now a Trump supporter
Shut the fuck up.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DU_595PgWgl/
Quote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on February 19, 2026, 09:25:34 PMYou cannot tell me Miss Jay and Jay Alexander weren't bitches as well. Noticing a pattern.
You mean Jay Manuel lol
Whoever tf he is. I always got their names mixed up
Dumbass
Quote from: United Nations Barbie 🇺🇳 on February 21, 2026, 12:35:48 AMhttps://www.instagram.com/p/DU_595PgWgl/
it's crazy how so many people are in the comments calling him "rich" with literally no evidence to back it up
This goes back to what I was telling BetterAngels much earlier in the thread. So many people still automatically associate fame with fortune
Because he was on camera so much that means he was paid tons of money and is loaded.
And these are grown adults in the comments who should prob know better by now. Just imagine the stars in the eyes of these 18 year olds twenty years ago
and if anything i'd say there's a very high chance Miss Jay was actually low-balled in some way when it comes to pay
yes he was fabulous on the show and struttin' his stuff but ultimately he was still a Black gay man on a mainstream show at a time when that was kinda rare
i'm sure when they handed him his contract there was an underlying, unspoken tea of "gorl just be glad u here and don't rock the boat. just sign on the dotted line - thnx"
and i wouldn't blame him if that was the case and he went along with it. considering the times
It'a not hard to believe he'd need help financially, he literally couldn't walk/talk...it's probably been months/years of therapy.
And his job was runway tutor, I doubt he was bringing home six figures, or even the same money as Jigsaw or Nigel who were creative directing/doing photoshoots.
I just wonder if they will do Simon Fuller or other white male media moguls responsible for American Idol etc like this,
IMO these "scandals" are all miniscule and Tyra was very open about how edgy and controversial she was. I mean does nobody remember her unhinged ass talk show?
:bvy:
https://people.com/all-about-tyra-banks-son-11906308
I keep forgetting Tyra is a mom
I stand by Tyra
:nowgorl:
i agree that in the grand scheme of things a lot of it is petty
the brutal truth is that it's no one's basic human right to have a modeling contract
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and Tyra really doesn't owe anyone anything - not even a visit in a hospital or a phone call. that's her choice if she'd like to do it
but i stand with the gorls like Dani, Ebony, Tiffany, etc. who were very young and experienced things that were def harmful
one thing i cant stand to see is a beautiful Black girl/woman cry