I can understand being upset with the casting directors, etc. but why go after Zoe's throat?
She's always proudly identified herself as a Black woman, and seen herself as a woman of color. It makes sense that she'd take on a role of an amazing Black woman and portray her. I'm sure she didn't see the makeup as "black face" or some sort of joke, I'd assume she takes her acting career more seriously than that.
So what happens if Halle Berry decides to put on an Afro wig? Is she a willing participant in mockery as well?
Because she does not face the scrutiny and disadvantages in life an African American or dark skin woman feels, as she is neither.
Im not mad at Zoe, I am just dissappointed that she took this role on and the lengths she allowed the studio to strip her of her features so she can resemble Nina.
Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
Because she does not face the scrutiny and disadvantages in life an African American or dark skin woman feels, as she is neither.
But race is socially constructed in America, it has next to nothing to do with your actual heritage. I think she realizes that, which is why she's always identified with being Black.
A police officer isn't going to stop a brown skinned man and ask for his ancestry report before wrongfully arresting him or blowing his brains out. He sees skin that is not white, nor beige. He sees a person of color.
And even if we take it back into history and ancestry a bit, Dominicans have both African ancestry and slavery in their bloodlines as well. She happens to be one of the rare Dominicans that realize this and how it contributes to the color of her skin. She doesn't look like J-Lo, or Jessica Alba, etc. To me, for one of them to take a role like this would have been quite offensive. Because they could almost pass for white.
But Zoe is a Black woman. Black doesn't always mean "African American".
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Because she does not face the scrutiny and disadvantages in life an African American or dark skin woman feels, as she is neither.
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i thoughts she did luvly btw
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It's insulting to have someone's skin darkened and wearing prosthetic features to play a musical icon whose constantly spoke out against the colorism and bigotry that nearly derailed her career. That and the fact that she's not that great of an actress.
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Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
Because she does not face the scrutiny and disadvantages in life an African American or dark skin woman feels, as she is neither.
But race is socially constructed in America, it has next to nothing to do with your actual heritage. I think she realizes that, which is why she's always identified with being Black.
A police officer isn't going to stop a brown skinned man and ask for his ancestry report before wrongfully arresting him or blowing his brains out. He sees skin that is not white, nor beige. He sees a person of color.
And even if we take it back into history and ancestry a bit, Dominicans have both African ancestry and slavery in their bloodlines as well. She happens to be one of the rare Dominicans that realize this and how it contributes to the color of her skin. She doesn't look like J-Lo, or Jessica Alba, etc. To me, for one of them to take a role like this would have been quite offensive. Because they could almost pass for white.
You do not have to explain to me that Zoe has black ancestry lol. I am the king of ethnology round here and been doing my lecturing years before you found the light, luv.
And yes a police officer might treat Zoe differently than a Viola Davis/Nina Simone looking woman, I truly believe that. Non-white is not non-white, there is levels to it. I know many people treat me more favorably because I am not as "African" or "dark" as others and I am aware of my privilege in that sense.
Nina Simone's brand is so heavily built on her strong West African facial features, her wooly hair, and her being a descendant of U.S. American slaves, a different history than that of Zoe Saldana, blacks in the DomRep. Because even though mulattos/Blacks there might be a product of slavery as well, in their country they constitute the majority and Saldana does not face the same systematic disadvantage in her home nation, as Nina Simone did in the U.S.
It is just wrong on so many levels, and Zoe Saldana should have realized that. You cannot be black only because it is convenient. OK, you relate to your background, and you are proud, but at the end of the day, you, luckily, do not have to confront the same issues and obstacles as a woman of Nina Simone's phenotype, so don't pretend as if you do.
But really it all boils down to her skin being too light, her hair being to straight and her facial features not being up to par either.
Halle Berry, Aaliyah, or another light skin or mixed woman would be just as ridiculous in this. You won't see Lupita DIPPED in powder to play Alicia Keys in her biopic.
Quote from: BigDawg on March 05, 2016, 09:32:08 AM
Im not mad at Zoe, I am just dissappointed that she took this role on and the lengths she allowed the studio to strip her of her features so she can resemble Nina.
For me, it's not always about a joke or trying to make fun of something.....or mocking features...sometimes it's just about becoming that person.
Tyra asked one of her contestants to pay homage to Grace Jones.
(http://antm411.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/xiomara-6.jpg?w=480)
(http://www.out.com/sites/out.com/files/imce/Ximara%20copy.jpg)
Now judging by her name and appearance, I wouldn't automatically assume Xiomara is "African American". But she is Black, which is why Tyra chose her to do this. Yes, Tyra had to darken her skin to make it more realistic. Is she guilty of condoning "blackface" as well? Was Tyra just trying to get in a quick kii, or did she really want to honor her colleague?
Xiomara was the one who didn't want to do it. Not because she felt she was being insensitive, but because she didn't want to be darker in any way shape or form. Now we have a woman like Zoe who is glad to be Black, and will take a Black role, has African heritage...but she's not Black enough so it's not OK?
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Because she does not face the scrutiny and disadvantages in life an African American or dark skin woman feels, as she is neither.
But race is socially constructed in America, it has next to nothing to do with your actual heritage. I think she realizes that, which is why she's always identified with being Black.
A police officer isn't going to stop a brown skinned man and ask for his ancestry report before wrongfully arresting him or blowing his brains out. He sees skin that is not white, nor beige. He sees a person of color.
And even if we take it back into history and ancestry a bit, Dominicans have both African ancestry and slavery in their bloodlines as well. She happens to be one of the rare Dominicans that realize this and how it contributes to the color of her skin. She doesn't look like J-Lo, or Jessica Alba, etc. To me, for one of them to take a role like this would have been quite offensive. Because they could almost pass for white.
You do not have to explain to me that Zoe has black ancestry lol. I am the king of ethnology round here and been doing my lecturing years before you found the light, luv.
Then why would you even think that actual ancestry has anything to do with the perception of race that leads to our struggles here in America?
Why bring that into the conversation when she's clearly a person of color? I don't get it.
Because she did blackface in order to do the role instead of declining.
Zoe Saldana should have waited for the Celia Cruz mess to get in production. A true Afro-Latina like her.
Quote from: ВRΔNDYology on March 05, 2016, 10:02:59 AM
Because she did blackface in order to do the role instead of declining.
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Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
Because she does not face the scrutiny and disadvantages in life an African American or dark skin woman feels, as she is neither.
But race is socially constructed in America, it has next to nothing to do with your actual heritage. I think she realizes that, which is why she's always identified with being Black.
A police officer isn't going to stop a brown skinned man and ask for his ancestry report before wrongfully arresting him or blowing his brains out. He sees skin that is not white, nor beige. He sees a person of color.
And even if we take it back into history and ancestry a bit, Dominicans have both African ancestry and slavery in their bloodlines as well. She happens to be one of the rare Dominicans that realize this and how it contributes to the color of her skin. She doesn't look like J-Lo, or Jessica Alba, etc. To me, for one of them to take a role like this would have been quite offensive. Because they could almost pass for white.
You do not have to explain to me that Zoe has black ancestry lol. I am the king of ethnology round here and been doing my lecturing years before you found the light, luv.
Then why would you even think that actual ancestry has anything to do with the perception of race that leads to our struggles here in America?
Because people can clearly SEE that she is not as black, dark, nappy as a Nina Simone, and she does get treat preferentially because of that. Are you saying colorism does not exist?
Zoe Saldana's brand is built on her racial ambiguity, she can be in black movies, but also perch in Latino mess and is not as intimidating in a white mess.
A really really dark woman can't shift through society like Zoe can.
And tan/dark Latinos and African Americans are perceived differently in the U.S., especially Dominicans who like to feel better than, and are often treated so. Men prefer them, find them sexier, etc.
Person of color is NOT person of color.
A woman that looks like Nina Simone is at the very bottom in the hierarchy of social acceptance.
Stop acting like Hally Berry, Rashida Jones, and Octavia Spencer are treated equally in the United States, that is just ridiculous.
I feel like Zoe keeping the role only perpetuated the studio's agenda. They didnt pick her because they believed she could embody Nina. They picked her because she is the "It" black girl that can appeal to a broader audience.
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Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
Because she does not face the scrutiny and disadvantages in life an African American or dark skin woman feels, as she is neither.
But race is socially constructed in America, it has next to nothing to do with your actual heritage. I think she realizes that, which is why she's always identified with being Black.
A police officer isn't going to stop a brown skinned man and ask for his ancestry report before wrongfully arresting him or blowing his brains out. He sees skin that is not white, nor beige. He sees a person of color.
And even if we take it back into history and ancestry a bit, Dominicans have both African ancestry and slavery in their bloodlines as well. She happens to be one of the rare Dominicans that realize this and how it contributes to the color of her skin. She doesn't look like J-Lo, or Jessica Alba, etc. To me, for one of them to take a role like this would have been quite offensive. Because they could almost pass for white.
You do not have to explain to me that Zoe has black ancestry lol. I am the king of ethnology round here and been doing my lecturing years before you found the light, luv.
Then why would you even think that actual ancestry has anything to do with the perception of race that leads to our struggles here in America?
Because people can clearly SEE that she is not as black, dark, nappy as a Nina Simone, and she does get treat preferentially because of that. Are you saying colorism does not exist?
Let's revisit your original statement:
QuoteBecause she does not face the scrutiny and disadvantages in life an African American or dark skin woman feels, as she is neither.
You said dark skinned OR African American woman. You're trying to focus in on colorism now which is an INTERNAL issue but you started this conversation with the additional EXTERNAL issue of oppression and racism. That is what I am addressing. So let's not backtrack. Again. Why do African Americans face adversity in America? Because of the color of the skin. Has very little to do with actual ancestry. And she is not a white, nor a clearly "Latina" woman.
If you're going to address and compare how Zoe cannot relate because she doesn't face disadvantages in life as an AA, keep in mind that skin color determines race in this country. And these constructs are the things put in place to separate and oppress us. You don't know what roles Zoe has lost to a white woman because of her skin.
We have Michael B Jordan out there, and Tyrese, doing Blockbuster movies, we're clearly in a different time these days. Will Smith as well. But let's see how fast they hand ANY of them an Oscar. Zoe included. So miss me on the whole argument about privilege.
Quote from: BigDawg on March 05, 2016, 10:14:50 AM
They picked her because she is the "It" black girl that can appeal to a broader audience.
I mean it could be that simple. She's popping right now, she's Black. Call her up and get her in for this role.
I do believe that these studios and mess are completely out of touch and insensitive when it comes to issues we face in the Black community, which is probably why they wouldn't see a problem with darkening her skin, "nappying" up her hair and broadening her nose a bit.....but leave Zoe alone :omgwatshappening:
herb gorl if you think to white america halle berry and viola davis is the same thing, than that's your opinion, a ridiculous one though.
Lighter skin and "better" hair can open you so many more doors in the Western world, not just within your "internal" community.
You are starting to sound like a New Black to be honest...
Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 10:23:19 AM
herb gorl if you think to white america halle berry and viola davis is the same thing, than that's your opinion, a ridiculous one though.
Lighter skin and "better" hair can open you so many more doors in the Western world, not just within your "internal" community.
You are starting to sound like a New Black to be honest...
You're completely twisting my words and my point. Not once during this discussion have I denied the existence of colorism, racism, or oppression. Reread and get back to me.
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Quote from: BigDawg on March 05, 2016, 10:14:50 AM
They picked her because she is the "It" black girl that can appeal to a broader audience.
I mean it could be that simple. She's popping right now, she's Black. Call her up and get her in for this role.
I do believe that these studios and mess are completely out of touch and insensitive when it comes to issues we face in the Black community, which is probably why they wouldn't see a problem with darkening her skin, "nappying" up her hair and broadening her nose a bit.....but leave Zoe alone :omgwatshappening:
I dunno, I feel like given today's climate Zoe could have been a bit more proactive about the decision. I feel like she would put this getup on for a movie check but would she walk down the street on a regular day like that? She can peel the prosthetics and make up off at the end of the day, but many others blacks can not.
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Quote from: BigDawg on March 05, 2016, 10:14:50 AM
They picked her because she is the "It" black girl that can appeal to a broader audience.
I mean it could be that simple. She's popping right now, she's Black. Call her up and get her in for this role.
I do believe that these studios and mess are completely out of touch and insensitive when it comes to issues we face in the Black community, which is probably why they wouldn't see a problem with darkening her skin, "nappying" up her hair and broadening her nose a bit.....but leave Zoe alone :omgwatshappening:
I dunno, I feel like given today's climate Zoe could have been a bit more proactive about the decision. I feel like she would put this getup on for a movie check but would she walk down the street on a regular day like that? She can peel the prosthetics and make up off at the end of the day, but many others blacks can not.
Why would she wanna walk around looking like Nina though? It's a role. Jamie didn't opt to keep his Ray shades and mess. I get what you're saying and I do think the studio was very insensitive, but Zoe is getting her money.
Better her than them asking Paris Hilton to do it. Which unfortunately isn't unfathomable these days.
Quote from: Herbie on March 05, 2016, 09:33:59 AM
Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
Because she does not face the scrutiny and disadvantages in life an African American or dark skin woman feels, as she is neither.
But race is socially constructed in America, it has next to nothing to do with your actual heritage. I think she realizes that, which is why she's always identified with being Black.
A police officer isn't going to stop a brown skinned man and ask for his ancestry report before wrongfully arresting him or blowing his brains out. He sees skin that is not white, nor beige. He sees a person of color.
But he sees more than that.
Person of color is not person of color.
Stop trying to liken the struggle of women who like Zoe's to the struggle of women who look like Nina. I am sure she brown Latinas have their own share of issues and lost some roles, but she still has privilege and advantages, inherently due to her complexion and phenotype, that is denied to ebony colored women who look like Nina, and there is just no way around it.
And to be clear, I'm asking why people are mad with ZOE.
I'm well aware of why people are upset with the production overall.
Zoe should know good and well that she does not face the same hardship as a Nina Simone looking woman does and should have kindly rejected the offer. And she should have known she'd look a fool with this travesty of make up they gave her.
Again, Lupita should always so no, when being asked to portray Alicia Keys... So why is it okay for Zoe to accept this mess, herbert?
Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 10:32:04 AM
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Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
Because she does not face the scrutiny and disadvantages in life an African American or dark skin woman feels, as she is neither.
But race is socially constructed in America, it has next to nothing to do with your actual heritage. I think she realizes that, which is why she's always identified with being Black.
A police officer isn't going to stop a brown skinned man and ask for his ancestry report before wrongfully arresting him or blowing his brains out. He sees skin that is not white, nor beige. He sees a person of color.
But he sees more than that.
Person of color is not person of color.
Stop trying to liken the struggle of women who like Zoe's to the struggle of women who look like Nina. I am sure she brown Latinas have their own share of issues and lost some roles, but she still has privilege and advantages, inherently due to her complexion and phenotype, that is denied to ebony colored women who look like Nina, and there is just no way around it.
Yeah there are advantages and privileges. I won't debate that. Nowhere on the level of a white person, but slight mess here and there. But this still doesn't explain why people are mad at her. This was my question. She is of African heritage, she identifies as a Black woman. Not only for this role did she "suddenly" become pro-Black, but she's ALWAYS said she was Black.
She has the heritage, she has the skin. Where the fuck is the anger to HER coming from.
What's so hilarious to me is...
Black people are quick to call out Dominicans for not embracing their African/Black heritage.
"You just BLACK with some good hair! Nothing else!"
But here we have a woman not only embracing it, but taking on a role to celebrate part of it.
Now, it's "how dare you, you're not black enough...Spanish bitch".... nssndnsdnds I'm sorry...but :plzstop:
i luv my ppl, but am sorry
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Because she does not face the scrutiny and disadvantages in life an African American or dark skin woman feels, as she is neither.
But race is socially constructed in America, it has next to nothing to do with your actual heritage. I think she realizes that, which is why she's always identified with being Black.
A police officer isn't going to stop a brown skinned man and ask for his ancestry report before wrongfully arresting him or blowing his brains out. He sees skin that is not white, nor beige. He sees a person of color.
But he sees more than that.
Person of color is not person of color.
Stop trying to liken the struggle of women who like Zoe's to the struggle of women who look like Nina. I am sure she brown Latinas have their own share of issues and lost some roles, but she still has privilege and advantages, inherently due to her complexion and phenotype, that is denied to ebony colored women who look like Nina, and there is just no way around it.
Yeah there are advantages and privileges. I won't debate that. Nowhere on the level of a white person, but slight mess here and there. But this still doesn't explain why people are mad at her. This was my question. She is of African heritage, she identifies as a Black woman. Not only for this role did she "suddenly" become pro-Black, but she's ALWAYS said she was Black.
She has the heritage, she has the skin. Where the fuck is the anger to HER coming from.
No she does not. She does not have the skin. She might have the title "black", the category. But she does not habe the skin. THAT is the crucial point. Nina Simone's character is literally defined by her extra dark skin, and her extra nappy hair and her facial features.
Now had this been any other black singer, where her skin color was not of much relevance, like for instance, Anita Baker or somebody, then it's like okay, go ahead! All you need to be is "black", Anita wasn't known for being dark but for her smooth bedroom vocals, but Nina Simone's shtick was her afrocentrism.
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Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
Because she does not face the scrutiny and disadvantages in life an African American or dark skin woman feels, as she is neither.
But race is socially constructed in America, it has next to nothing to do with your actual heritage. I think she realizes that, which is why she's always identified with being Black.
A police officer isn't going to stop a brown skinned man and ask for his ancestry report before wrongfully arresting him or blowing his brains out. He sees skin that is not white, nor beige. He sees a person of color.
But he sees more than that.
Person of color is not person of color.
Stop trying to liken the struggle of women who like Zoe's to the struggle of women who look like Nina. I am sure she brown Latinas have their own share of issues and lost some roles, but she still has privilege and advantages, inherently due to her complexion and phenotype, that is denied to ebony colored women who look like Nina, and there is just no way around it.
Yeah there are advantages and privileges. I won't debate that. Nowhere on the level of a white person, but slight mess here and there. But this still doesn't explain why people are mad at her. This was my question. She is of African heritage, she identifies as a Black woman. Not only for this role did she "suddenly" become pro-Black, but she's ALWAYS said she was Black.
She has the heritage, she has the skin. Where the fuck is the anger to HER coming from.
No she does not. She does not have the skin. She might have the title "black", the category. But she does not habe the skin. THAT is the crucial point. Nina Simone's character is literally defined by her extra dark skin, and her extra nappy hair and her facial features.
Now had this been any other black singer, where her skin color was not of much relevance, like for instance, Anita Baker or somebody, then it's like okay, go ahead! All you need to be is "black", Anita wasn't known for being dark but for her smooth bedroom vocals, but Nina Simone's shtick was her afrocentrism.
I see your point. I get it.
But I don't like you right now so
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Quote from: Herbie on March 05, 2016, 10:39:54 AM
What's so hilarious to me is...
Black people are quick to call out Dominicans for not embracing their African/Black heritage.
"You just BLACK with some good hair! Nothing else!"
But here we have a woman not only embracing it, but taking on a role to celebrate part of it.
Now, it's "how dare you, you're not black enough...Spanish bitch".... nssndnsdnds I'm sorry...but :plzstop:
i luv my ppl, but am sorry
(http://i.imgur.com/yP9yPGk.gif)
I see what you mean, but it does not apply here. Any other regular black role, okay. But a role that is in fact about DARK skin, kinky hair and also colorism, she does not fckn qualify.
She can be black in any other movie, and we will love her, just don't pretend to be dark and nappy when you are not.
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Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 09:25:47 AM
Because she does not face the scrutiny and disadvantages in life an African American or dark skin woman feels, as she is neither.
But race is socially constructed in America, it has next to nothing to do with your actual heritage. I think she realizes that, which is why she's always identified with being Black.
A police officer isn't going to stop a brown skinned man and ask for his ancestry report before wrongfully arresting him or blowing his brains out. He sees skin that is not white, nor beige. He sees a person of color.
But he sees more than that.
Person of color is not person of color.
Stop trying to liken the struggle of women who like Zoe's to the struggle of women who look like Nina. I am sure she brown Latinas have their own share of issues and lost some roles, but she still has privilege and advantages, inherently due to her complexion and phenotype, that is denied to ebony colored women who look like Nina, and there is just no way around it.
Yeah there are advantages and privileges. I won't debate that. Nowhere on the level of a white person, but slight mess here and there. But this still doesn't explain why people are mad at her. This was my question. She is of African heritage, she identifies as a Black woman. Not only for this role did she "suddenly" become pro-Black, but she's ALWAYS said she was Black.
She has the heritage, she has the skin. Where the fuck is the anger to HER coming from.
No she does not. She does not have the skin. She might have the title "black", the category. But she does not habe the skin. THAT is the crucial point. Nina Simone's character is literally defined by her extra dark skin, and her extra nappy hair and her facial features.
Now had this been any other black singer, where her skin color was not of much relevance, like for instance, Anita Baker or somebody, then it's like okay, go ahead! All you need to be is "black", Anita wasn't known for being dark but for her smooth bedroom vocals, but Nina Simone's shtick was her afrocentrism.
I see your point. I get it.
But I don't like you right now so
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Luv you too!
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wow, i think we just came to an understanding :ohwow:
and i was rooting for zoe, i hope this does not ruin her career.
:stressed:
Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 10:35:36 AM
Lupita should always so no, when being asked to portray Alicia Keys..
I mean, I kinda see what you're going for but
I mean, Angela Bassett played Rosa Parks, Flex played Michael Jackson...
Yeah I don't have an issue with it either
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yea, where was the outrage when flex portrayed a white person :omgwatshappening:
I see both sides, Herb and Malc.
Although Zoe/Simone are both AA, it'd be a fool for either one of them to portray EACH OTHER.
And that's what it comes down to.
Quote from: Herbie on March 05, 2016, 11:01:21 AM
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yea, where was the outrage when flex portrayed a white person :omgwatshappening:
this was a bit different IMO
MJ identified as black, and he had a skin disorder.
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yea, where was the outrage when flex portrayed a white person :omgwatshappening:
this was a bit different IMO
MJ identified as black, and he had a skin disorder.
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terrence J will most likely be completely white (skin colored) later in life.
if he ever had a story
do u think he'd want a white guy to play him?
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She shouldn't have taken the role. Every role offered isn't a role for u. She's at fault as well
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Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 10:35:36 AM
Lupita should always so no, when being asked to portray Alicia Keys..
I mean, I kinda see what you're going for but
Flex played Michael Jackson...
indeed!
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
MJ choose to go the white route maybe because it was just easier to maintain
i have an AA friend with the skin disorder, and he uses makeup to keep his dark skin tone
it is highly expensive and time consuming
and he has expressed the emotional wear and tear
MJ transcended race, age and gender with his look. He kinda went for an Alien mess. nnn
But honestly it helped his brand, if he looked like a regular human, he would not be remembered remotely as iconic. MJ is like a superhuman, Madonna seems like one of us.
Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 11:10:25 AM
MJ transcended race, age and gender with his look. He kinda went for an Alien mess. nnn
But honestly it helped his brand, if he looked like a regular human, he would not be remembered remotely as iconic. MJ is like a superhuman, Madonna seems like one of us.
You know, unfortunately, I'm agreeing with Malcolm a lot in here.
Why are you making odd-ish sense?
Quote from: Vonc2002 on March 05, 2016, 11:07:48 AM
She shouldn't have taken the role. Every role offered isn't a role for u. She's at fault as well
Lol I thought y'all was talking bout Zoe moon
Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 10:03:09 AM
Zoe Saldana should have waited for the Celia Cruz mess to get in production. A true Afro-Latina like her.
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How is Zoe playing Celia Cruz any different from Nina Simone.
Celia wasn't exactly Mulatto looking
And I love love love Zoe
but it's a slap in the face to darker skinned women who could have played this role especially considering Nina Simone spoke out against colorism heavily only for her bio movie to basically be a product of colorism.
It's awful
Quote from: ANIMMAI on March 05, 2016, 10:01:29 AM
It's insulting to have someone's skin darkened and wearing prosthetic features to play a musical icon whose constantly spoke out against the colorism and bigotry that nearly derailed her career. That and the fact that she's not that great of an actress.
right, and I think she just wasn't thinking. I'm not really upset with her but I am surprised she agreed to do it
Quote from: Lion Babe on March 05, 2016, 01:08:01 PM
Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 10:03:09 AM
Zoe Saldana should have waited for the Celia Cruz mess to get in production. A true Afro-Latina like her.
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How is Zoe playing Celia Cruz any different from Nina Simone.
Celia wasn't exactly Mulatto looking
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Ummm zoe isn't "mulatto" looking either they're like the exact same skin complexion
Quote from: Lion Babe on March 05, 2016, 01:09:11 PM
And I love love love Zoe
but it's a slap in the face to darker skinned women who could have played this role especially considering Nina Simone spoke out against colorism heavily only for her bio movie to basically be a product of colorism.
It's awful
EXACTLY! Nina being who she was and then this girl signing up to play her, slapping on black face n shit. It's disgusting and zoe should be ashamed, disrespectful bitch :dead:
Quote from: Abcd on March 05, 2016, 11:00:04 AM
Yeah I don't have an issue with it either
with the movie? If so, Afro never said that lol he said he doesn't have an issue with Zoe herself
If she were just a regular actress looking for a check I would give her a pass, but Zoe is known for her strong opinions on social issues so I have to give her a side eye for thinking it would be cool to put on "dark skinned" face.
I honestly don't see the issue. It's just a fucking film. If people are so fucking outraged, gather your coins together and create your own art. Create your own version of Nina's story with your own coin.
Zoe is an actress first, and Nina's life is an amazing story to be told on film. Why wouldn't she want that honor? Now with all this #OscarSoWhite mess she could possibly be the first of Latin decent to win an Academy Award in an acting category. She's on the right path.
:omgwatshappening:
Quote from: _ on March 05, 2016, 04:23:27 PM
I honestly don't see the issue. It's just a fucking film. If people are so fucking outraged, gather your coins together and create your own art. Create your own version of Nina's story with your own coin.
!!!
Black people always bitchin' about something.
:uhh:
Too light! Should've been ___!
If yall don't get your fake ass casting director asses outta here.
Zoe >>
:letsmessfag:
Quote from: taivonjovonnie on March 05, 2016, 12:48:42 PM
Lol I thought y'all was talking bout Zoe moon
dfsgdsfg me too
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6 sentences into the post and Im still thinking.. "i must have missed this episode"
I dont know who zoe saldonna is.
Quote from: L0NZ. on March 05, 2016, 05:27:06 PM
Quote from: taivonjovonnie on March 05, 2016, 12:48:42 PM
Lol I thought y'all was talking bout Zoe moon
dfsgdsfg me too
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6 sentences into the post and Im still thinking.. "i must have missed this episode"
I dont know who zoe saldonna is.
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Quote from: Rawlf on March 05, 2016, 11:13:10 AM
Quote from: Rajesha on March 05, 2016, 11:10:25 AM
MJ transcended race, age and gender with his look. He kinda went for an Alien mess. nnn
But honestly it helped his brand, if he looked like a regular human, he would not be remembered remotely as iconic. MJ is like a superhuman, Madonna seems like one of us.
You know, unfortunately, I'm agreeing with Malcolm a lot in here.
Why are you making odd-ish sense?
!!!!!
I'm in here like :hmph: :wellheythere: :diddraispoot: