Do you think it would have made a difference?
In other words, if black people controlled the narrative from the beginning and made "All Lives Matter" a slogan about black lives, saying that, yes, everyone's life matters, and thus black people shouldn't be unlawfully persecuted anymore than white people or asian people or latinos.
Obviously I know what BLM means, but it seems to me that the majority of white Americans really don't have a fuckin clue :uhh: :dead:
"Black" is such a provocative and divisive word in this country. It's politicized. It makes people (whites) uncomfortable. And while it's not up to minorities to pander to the ignorance and insecurities of whites, I genuinely want to believe that most whites aren't truly "racist", that they're just defensive and confused. I pray...
It's really disheartening to see how divided this country is today.
Who can say? This question is weird imo because it feels as though the ultimate goal is to placate white ppl. It's for that very reason I prefer BLM and I don't have empathy or compassion for racists. That includes those who are inadvertently racist as well.
Unfortunately, yes, it is to placate white people.
Which is fucked up cause why should minorities have to do that, right?
But sometimes, to get what you want, you have to placate, you have to pander, you have to play by certain rules, all with an end point in mind.
I just wish there was a more effective way to create CHANGE.
I think the problem is that people aren't able to connect with the movement because they don't see how it affects them.
I just wish there were RESULTS. It seems like all this is doing is making people angry, but I want CHANGE. I want litigation. Etc. ugh.
It would have never started out as All Lives Matter because most of the people who shout that nonsense don't give a fuck about the lives of immigrants, muslims, gays, poor people or anyone who doesn't fit into their cushioned lifestyle. It's nothing more than a middle finger to the BLM movement and its mission.
Quote from: hewritez on September 25, 2016, 08:29:33 PM
Unfortunately, yes, it is to placate white people.
Which is fucked up cause why should minorities have to do that, right?
But sometimes, to get what you want, you have to placate, you have to pander, you have to play by certain rules, all with an end point in mind.
I just wish there was a more effective way to create CHANGE.
I think the problem is that people aren't able to connect with the movement because they don't see how it affects them.
I just wish there were RESULTS. It seems like all this is doing is making people angry, but I want CHANGE. I want litigation. Etc. ugh.
Nah I definitely get where you're coming from. I do think it's something that is important on a micro level. On a macro level though, I think the world has catered to white people enough. Real change has never been an easy thing. White people didn't gain their freedom by appeasing other white people or being kind to PoC. That's not how power is gained when someone else holds it.
I'm not saying violence of any kind is an answer but I'm definitely over being concerned with how white people feel about our humanity.
It would have been smarter, but where did Ghandi get the Indians? This whole peaceful mess never works out.
Quote from: ANIMMAI on September 25, 2016, 08:30:46 PM
It would have never started out as All Lives Matter because most of the people who shout that nonsense don't give a fuck about the lives of immigrants, muslims, gays, poor people or anyone who doesn't fit into their cushioned lifestyle. It's nothing more than a middle finger to the BLM movement and its mission.
!!!!
And notice ALM shouters are nowhere to be found when a non poc is shot and murdered.
ssssssssssss
What r your thoughts on Black Lives Matter
"All Lives Matter!"
:letsmessfag:
What r your feelings on homosexuals?
"Well ... I'm a Christian...."
:damselindistress:
The band-aids they've put over human and civil rights are being peeled back and the privileged white male is getting annoyed.
Quote from: mixed wit african on September 25, 2016, 08:53:10 PM
Quote from: Drais. on September 25, 2016, 08:49:18 PM
Quote from: ANIMMAI on September 25, 2016, 08:30:46 PM
It would have never started out as All Lives Matter because most of the people who shout that nonsense don't give a fuck about the lives of immigrants, muslims, gays, poor people or anyone who doesn't fit into their cushioned lifestyle. It's nothing more than a middle finger to the BLM movement and its mission.
!!!!
And notice ALM shouters are nowhere to be found when a non poc is shot and murdered.
fuck u.
Yeah that was about you becky
:young:
And for the record I'm not saying it should have or not. I'm just trying to understand what the disconnect is all about, why people have such strong negative reactions to it.
Apathy is one thing, but to be completely against something that is only trying to promote awareness and effect change is beyond me
Quote from: Kurama on September 25, 2016, 08:42:55 PM
Quote from: hewritez on September 25, 2016, 08:29:33 PM
Unfortunately, yes, it is to placate white people.
Which is fucked up cause why should minorities have to do that, right?
But sometimes, to get what you want, you have to placate, you have to pander, you have to play by certain rules, all with an end point in mind.
I just wish there was a more effective way to create CHANGE.
I think the problem is that people aren't able to connect with the movement because they don't see how it affects them.
I just wish there were RESULTS. It seems like all this is doing is making people angry, but I want CHANGE. I want litigation. Etc. ugh.
Nah I definitely get where you're coming from. I do think it's something that is important on a micro level. On a macro level though, I think the world has catered to white people enough. Real change has never been an easy thing. White people didn't gain their freedom by appeasing other white people or being kind to PoC. That's not how power is gained when someone else holds it.
I'm not saying violence of any kind is an answer but I'm definitely over being concerned with how white people feel about our humanity.
True. One thing's for sure: power is never given; it's taken.
Another reason why i wish there was more unity among minorities.
It's just crazy how powerful the white establishment is when you think about it...it affects every level.
I remember my dad told me once he only hired white secretaries for his office (this was in the 80's 90's) And, if my mom happened to come to the office to help, he stuck her in the back. :dead:
He said he wanted a white face at the front desk because it was bad enough that he was brown and foreign.
:uhh:
And the sad thing is I totally get why he felt he had to do that.
I think BLM is the better term.
The only problem I have is that certain people of other races look at the movement as a "black problem"... "oh! nothing to do with me! going about my business!".
And they never pay attention or join the cause/change.
I'm Not even sure if a different term would change the minds of those people tho.
Quote from: mixed wit african on September 25, 2016, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: hewritez on September 25, 2016, 09:07:48 PM
It's just crazy how powerful the white establishment is when you think about it...it affects every level.
I remember my dad told me once he only hired white secretaries for his office (this was in the 80's 90's) And, if my mom happened to come to the office to help, he stuck her in the back. :dead:
He said he wanted a white face at the front desk because it was bad enough that he was brown and foreign.
:uhh:
And the sad thing is I totally get why he felt he had to do that.
I know a Black landlord that throws any rental application from a Black person in the trash.
smh
I mean I'm ashamed to say that when I worked at Nordstrom once, I would ignore Indian customers and go running to white ones. Indians have the money but they won't spend it on clothes. I worked on commission. a bitch needed a check.
Quote from: hewritez on September 25, 2016, 09:07:48 PM
It's just crazy how powerful the white establishment is when you think about it...it affects every level.
I remember my dad told me once he only hired white secretaries for his office (this was in the 80's 90's) And, if my mom happened to come to the office to help, he stuck her in the back. :dead:
He said he wanted a white face at the front desk because it was bad enough that he was brown and foreign.
:uhh:
And the sad thing is I totally get why he felt he had to do that.
This breaks my heart.
And this whole thing. That's happening now.
Frustrating.
You know tho...
BLM is more than just white cops killing black men.
To me, it's about black men and women knowing that their lives matter in general.
And that they have the capabilities to thrive in society.
Sometimes limited resources plays a role, but the community needs to build from within.
I honestly feel that we need more powerful black leaders in our community.
Quote from: mixed wit african on September 25, 2016, 09:14:52 PM
Quote from: hewritez on September 25, 2016, 09:12:52 PM
Quote from: mixed wit african on September 25, 2016, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: hewritez on September 25, 2016, 09:07:48 PM
It's just crazy how powerful the white establishment is when you think about it...it affects every level.
I remember my dad told me once he only hired white secretaries for his office (this was in the 80's 90's) And, if my mom happened to come to the office to help, he stuck her in the back. :dead:
He said he wanted a white face at the front desk because it was bad enough that he was brown and foreign.
:uhh:
And the sad thing is I totally get why he felt he had to do that.
I know a Black landlord that throws any rental application from a Black person in the trash.
smh
I mean I'm ashamed to say that when I worked at Nordstrom once, I would ignore Indian customers and go running to white ones. Indians have the money but they won't spend it on clothes. I worked on commission. a bitch needed a check.
I've noticed that Indians are very stingy with their Benji's. sdsdnsdnndsnsd
some groups of Asians as well. they want every penny accounted for.
can't blame them tbh
!! :dead:
But what's crazy is that all minorities are really just trying to survive or thrive in a white man's world.
It's amazing to me how one group of people has managed to pull this off.
When I go to India...I get discriminated against by my OWN people :uhh:
My family was waiting for a taxi at a hotel and these Germans were behind us and the doorman went running to let THEM in the cab...they fucking paid us dust. :dead:
You should see the way they talk to them "Oh Madame! Sir! Yes Sir!"
And to us they're like: :raycharles2urmess:
I mean yes.
There are 12% AA in the United States.
But there is room to thrive and build from that community.
Having the resources is key. Leadership. Guidance. Teamwork.
Approximately 12?13% of the American population is African-American, but they make up 35% of jail inmates, and 37% of prison inmates of the 2.2 million male inmates as of 2014 (U.S. Department of Justice, 2014).
I hate this statistic.
It should be 37% are lawyers, doctors, business owners... just something else.
It hurts a lot -- cause as I move forward in my career... I'm not seeing a lot of my own... and it's difficult, there's some things I go through... and it just hurts. Never breaks me down or stops me... but it hurts.
There's strength in numbers. And that's my ultimate goal going forward.
We have to start building from within.
I don't care. Sick of having to pandering to white people's fears and their misunderstanding/ignorance of issues
White people would just say "They already matter, stop being dramatic"
Quote from: MelMel on September 25, 2016, 10:05:23 PM
I don't care. Sick of having to pandering to white people's fears and their misunderstanding/ignorance of issues
:flamebroiled:
I think if it were all lives matter poor white people would have ended up the face of the movement with sprinkles of Blacks.
I think like this sometimes
like how about if it was "Black lives matter TOO"
but really there's just no way they'll get it
they're in power so they dont even care to