QuoteThe freshly released J. Cole set, 4 Your Eyez Only (Dreamville/Roc Nation/Interscope) looks set to bow with a boom on next week's charts, with early forecasts in the 400k-500k region, including a robust streaming component and a nice chunk from single sales. Preorders can fairly be described as "blockbuster," driving expectations that Cole will outpace the bow by another recent UMG Q4 giant, The Weeknd.
Eyez flew to #1 at iTunes immediately upon release, while track "Deja Vu" moved into the Top 5 (it's currently parked behind two Cole tracks that don't appear on the album). The album also occupies the top two spots (in explicit and clean versions) on Apple Music's streaming albums chart, while tracks occupy the Top 10 spots on the Top Songs leaderboard.
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I feel like this should be expected, but book.
I have to listen later.
BOOK!
Dang. Congrats
Congrats King. No features again.
This was expected. His first week sales increase with every album he has released.
I love how he's able to do this. No gimmicks, no overhype....just good music
Dope. And he didn't have to do any late ass publicity stunts to move unites.
He kinda CAPITALIZED on Kanye's situation, but book I guess..
It's good gurls. I listen on Tidal today and by the end of the album...I was ready to suck King for this one.
King of hip hop.
cool
what DID you say faggot
Quote from: Tahj Zezo. on December 09, 2016, 06:15:14 PM
Kendrick is over-hyped.
and that last album was overrated as hell
j cole <<<
J. Cole & Kendrick are both so fucking boring to me lol
This damn king!
What the damn hells
and this album
:ATLcameo:
artists don't sell albums anymore
There's really no excuse for the girls to be flopping TBH
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J Cole sold all of this without features and without a big machine promo. Kendrick and Drake can't quite Do!
its so heavy the difference between rap sales and r&b sales these days. It makes you wonder if rap artists have maybe done a better job with their music than the r&b ones.
I cant help but think that r&b music 10 years ago was much much hotter than the current one. So the different quality cant be just a coincidence
That's major!!
Quote from: BrandyCollabs on December 10, 2016, 07:50:45 AM
its so heavy the difference between rap sales and r&b sales these days. It makes you wonder if rap artists have maybe done a better job with their music than the r&b ones.
I cant help but think that r&b music 10 years ago was much much hotter than the current one. So the different quality cant be just a coincidence
Mm...not necessarily. Rap/Hip hop have maintained popularity longer because they're more marketable. They have always emphasized lyricism, beats, etc. They're two of the last main genres having that wide appeal yet still be considered definitively "black".
R&B emphasizes vocals, then lyrics, production, etc. fall in line. It's not challenging for non-black R&B artists to gain ground in the genre so long as they can sing, write, etc. On the other hand, it's a lot more difficult for a non-black person to be taken seriously in rap or hip-hop because the expectations are different.
I think you do have a point, but I think the different standards/expectations contribute to this as well. It's kinda why labels want to latch a rapper on to most if not all singles by black R&B artists because it seems like such a hard sell.
you made a good analysis.
but my main point is mostly about the quality. Id love to ask a really big audience if current r&b music is hotter than the music from 10 years ago, to see what they would reply.
I bet most people would say no. So that right there is one of the keys of this whole situation imo.
Id make another general question: What was the last big/hot r&b song that we got? let me say, aside from Beyonce/Weekend. Lets say a song everyone loved.
I honestly just think rap fans are more loyal. I've noticed people who are really into rap REALLy love it and they fuck with it. They will definitely support you and buy your shit.
but the key of all should be: why are they loyal? there has to be a reason.
and it can only be: the music.
People is loyal when they really like something. If general audience has lost interest in r&b the quality/hotness HAS to be a factor. None can deny that, lol. you know
!!!
There's been some amazing urban music out there :uhh:
Quote from: african prince. on December 10, 2016, 08:53:47 AM
Quote from: BrandyCollabs on December 10, 2016, 08:48:18 AM
but the key of all should be: why are they loyal? there has to be a reason.
and it can only be: the music.
People is loyal when they really like something. If general audience has lost interest in r&b the quality/hotness HAS to be a factor. None can deny that, lol. you know
not really
jazmine's reality show SHITS
i have been revisiting and jamming to it all this week
and it flopped for points
what was her 1st single? I dont even remember (no shade, just a real quetion)
was it really hot/fresh?
Hip hop has always done well
R&B was successful and popular only up until 4/5 years ago lol
Everything goes through periods of what's 'in'
There's been so many low-key great urban eps and albums in the last 3 years alone
We have a new generation of urban artists like NAO, Ty Dollar sign, Kelela, Bryson Tiller, The Weeknd, Jhene, Chance The Rapper, BJ the Chicago kid, Tinashe, FKA Twigs, Tink, Dawn, Justine Skye, Frank Ocean, Miguel etc releasing stellar music
Happy for him and he continues to put out quality music. Very deserving.
Rap is doing better than R&B because they have a bigger audience
due to the homophobia, and hyper-masculinity going on in the Black community
Black straight men don't really support R&B, it's only Black women and gays
Quote from: AYR on December 10, 2016, 11:20:53 AM
Rap is doing better than R&B because they have a bigger audience
due to the homophobia, and hyper-masculinity going on in the Black community
Black straight men don't really support R&B, it's only Black women and gays
!!! Honestly
Well deserved 👏🏾
His music is horrible and boring
But 'grats! LOL :letsmessfag:
And the gorls didn't believe my trinity mess trying to add big Sean or some gurs...
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This albums not for people who wanna turn up. Good to see quality lyrics and music get recognition.
Quote from: AYR on December 10, 2016, 11:20:53 AM
Rap is doing better than R&B because they have a bigger audience
due to the homophobia, and hyper-masculinity going on in the Black community
Black straight men don't really support R&B, it's only Black women and gays
I totally disagree with this. Most people who purchase hip hop are white. And R&B couldn't have slayed the charts for so long just off of (black) male gays and women. R. Kelly, Jodeci, SWV was music f?r everyone.
I just think R&B is not a proper genre like that. It's never been. It is a code word for modern music sung by African Americans. It's basically black pop, and essentially white people's spin on R&B music is called pop.
Hip Hop has the consistent element of rapping and can change sonically with the times and still be identifiable as hip hop. R&B cannot as easily stay R&B without stagnating. I mean it's really just become pop with grease when Cassie and Anita are both R&B...
R&B is pop with Ebonics language, more hip hop tinged beats and more churchy vocals. Pop and R&B producers are one and the same. The same exact composition becomes a different genre label based on the skin color of the singer.
Rock will always be distinguished as rock for its instrumentation.
Quote from: شيطان on December 10, 2016, 12:13:43 PM
Quote from: AYR on December 10, 2016, 11:20:53 AM
Rap is doing better than R&B because they have a bigger audience
due to the homophobia, and hyper-masculinity going on in the Black community
Black straight men don't really support R&B, it's only Black women and gays
I totally disagree with this. Most people who purchase hip hop are white. And R&B couldn't have slayed the charts for so long just off of (black) male gays and women. R. Kelly, Jodeci, SWV was music f?r everyone.
back during those times was when straight men weren't afraid to support
these days male R&B artists cater strictly to Black women, and female R&B artists cater to women & gays
Hip-hop/rap is universal
Quote from: شيطان on December 10, 2016, 12:13:43 PM
Quote from: AYR on December 10, 2016, 11:20:53 AM
Rap is doing better than R&B because they have a bigger audience
due to the homophobia, and hyper-masculinity going on in the Black community
Black straight men don't really support R&B, it's only Black women and gays
I totally disagree with this. Most people who purchase hip hop are white. And R&B couldn't have slayed the charts for so long just off of (black) male gays and women. R. Kelly, Jodeci, SWV was music f?r everyone.
I just think R&B is not a proper genre like that. It's never been. It is a code word for modern music sung by African Americans. It's basically black pop, and essentially white people's spin on R&B music is called pop.
Hip Hop has the consistent element of rapping and can change sonically with the times and still be identifiable as hip hop. R&B cannot as easily stay R&B without stagnating. I mean it's really just become pop with grease when Cassie and Anita are both R&B...
R&B is pop with Ebonics language, more hip hop tinged beats and more churchy vocals. Pop and R&B producers are one and the same. The same exact composition becomes a different genre label based on the skin color of the singer.
Rock will always be distinguished as rock for its instrumentation.
some very interesting points.
Tho I think r&b is still a sound, in general terms. I know it doesnt seem as wide/open as pop (thats probably why it is strugling too), but its a genre. Just happens that some artists explore different twists and influences that sometimes it doesnt seem r&b at all.
To me The Weeknd has a very different sound of what Id call r&b. I hear a whole different thing in his music, some electronic, and different influences. Thats why I use to use two different terms: urban and r&b, even is r&b is still urban music, but to me urban is a more open term.
my concept of r&b is definetly more limited, with some particular beats, sound, vibe and all. you know.... the Brian cox, rico love and co. type of sounds.
Weeknd has NOTHING to do with that sound, lol. Neither Bruno Mars. even Frank Ocean. These artists arent doing the r&b most people remember and know. And no shade intended, thats why they are selling too, in a sense.
Quote from: AYR on December 10, 2016, 12:27:44 PM
Quote from: شيطان on December 10, 2016, 12:13:43 PM
Quote from: AYR on December 10, 2016, 11:20:53 AM
Rap is doing better than R&B because they have a bigger audience
due to the homophobia, and hyper-masculinity going on in the Black community
Black straight men don't really support R&B, it's only Black women and gays
I totally disagree with this. Most people who purchase hip hop are white. And R&B couldn't have slayed the charts for so long just off of (black) male gays and women. R. Kelly, Jodeci, SWV was music f?r everyone.
back during those times was when straight men weren't afraid to support
these days male R&B artists cater strictly to Black women, and female R&B artists cater to women & gays
Hip-hop/rap is universal
you're totally right, Im afraid. And that is a problem to me. The goal demographic has become sooooo limited, small. If you have a very small demographic, how can you expect to have good sales? its just Maths.
If you want to sell, you have to try to reach a BIGGER audience, not a small one.
Quote from: شيطان on December 10, 2016, 12:13:43 PM
R&B is pop with Ebonics language, more hip hop tinged beats and more churchy vocals. Pop and R&B producers are one and the same. The same exact composition becomes a different genre label based on the skin color of the singer.
if that was true then no one would be fuming at Usher for "selling out" and "going Pop"
or Robin Thicke and Jon B, Teena Marie etc wouldnt be separate from Celine, Adele, Justin Timberlake etc
there is a clear difference between R&B (Two Eleven) and Pop (Human) regardless of skin color
Quote from: شيطان on December 10, 2016, 12:13:43 PM
R&B is pop with Ebonics language, more hip hop tinged beats and more churchy vocals.
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Malc...wtf man :uhh:
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I'm listening to it now and damn near bout to fall asleep
Guys what's this about
Quote from: african prince. on December 10, 2016, 12:47:53 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on December 10, 2016, 12:46:56 PM
Quote from: شيطان on December 10, 2016, 12:13:43 PM
R&B is pop with Ebonics language
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There's like two good songs but I guess. Can't wait for Kendrick to return. :ohwow:
Quote from: BrandyCollabs on December 10, 2016, 12:29:59 PM
Quote from: شيطان on December 10, 2016, 12:13:43 PM
Quote from: AYR on December 10, 2016, 11:20:53 AM
Rap is doing better than R&B because they have a bigger audience
due to the homophobia, and hyper-masculinity going on in the Black community
Black straight men don't really support R&B, it's only Black women and gays
I totally disagree with this. Most people who purchase hip hop are white. And R&B couldn't have slayed the charts for so long just off of (black) male gays and women. R. Kelly, Jodeci, SWV was music f?r everyone.
I just think R&B is not a proper genre like that. It's never been. It is a code word for modern music sung by African Americans. It's basically black pop, and essentially white people's spin on R&B music is called pop.
Hip Hop has the consistent element of rapping and can change sonically with the times and still be identifiable as hip hop. R&B cannot as easily stay R&B without stagnating. I mean it's really just become pop with grease when Cassie and Anita are both R&B...
R&B is pop with Ebonics language, more hip hop tinged beats and more churchy vocals. Pop and R&B producers are one and the same. The same exact composition becomes a different genre label based on the skin color of the singer.
Rock will always be distinguished as rock for its instrumentation.
some very interesting points.
Tho I think r&b is still a sound, in general terms. I know it doesnt seem as wide/open as pop (thats probably why it is strugling too), but its a genre. Just happens that some artists explore different twists and influences that sometimes it doesnt seem r&b at all.
To me The Weeknd has a very different sound of what Id call r&b. I hear a whole different thing in his music, some electronic, and different influences. Thats why I use to use two different terms: urban and r&b, even is r&b is still urban music, but to me urban is a more open term.
my concept of r&b is definetly more limited, with some particular beats, sound, vibe and all. you know.... the Brian cox, rico love and co. type of sounds.
Weeknd has NOTHING to do with that sound, lol. Neither Bruno Mars. even Frank Ocean. These artists arent doing the r&b most people remember and know. And no shade intended, thats why they are selling too, in a sense.
Your "definition" doesn't matter.
He's R&B. Period. Moe R&B than Bruno and Frank combined.