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The words "Adele" and "underdog" might not seem to go together in any known ?universe.
Her album 25 has earned 10.4 ?million equivalent album units in the United States, according to Nielsen Music, of which 9.2 million were in traditional album sales. The set finished both 2016 and 2015 as the year's best-selling album -- the first time one album has topped two years since Adele's previous album, 21, did it in 2012 and 2011. When it comes to 21st-century sales ?benchmarks, she is her own only serious competitor. Add to that 21 garnered six Grammys, including album, song and record of the year.
And yet 25 is considered ?something of a long shot for album of the year at the 2017 Grammys, taking place Feb. 12 in Los Angeles. How is that possible?
Partially, it comes down to competition, with Beyonc?'s ?ultra-personal Lemonade far ahead in the critical cred derby (92 to 75, according to the Metacritic site). But another key factor is historical ?precedent. Once Grammy voters have bestowed album of the year on an artist, they tend to move on; only U2 and Taylor Swift have ?captured the prize twice since Stevie Wonder won three out of four years in the mid-1970s.
The historical record makes it easier to predict what won't ?happen than what will. And in the Grammys' 58-year history, no artist who has swept the album, record and song of the year categories has ever pulled off the triple crown again. If anything, fortunes have gone the opposite way: Of the three most recent acts to sweep, two -- Norah Jones and Santana -- weren't even nominated in any of those categories with their follow-up projects; the third, the Dixie Chicks, haven't released an album since their sweep a decade ago.
History aside, a more practical disadvantage for 25 in the album race may be that it came out on Nov. 20, 2015, 15 months before the 2017 Grammy telecast.
"An album that came out in 2015 might feel like a very long time ago," says one longtime member of The Recording Academy. "Plus, if you look at what's going on in the world [politically] and what Beyonc? is saying about it, Lemonade feels more fitting on several different levels," particularly for the left-leaning voter base.
As a consolation prize of sorts, Adele's "Hello" is favored for both record and song of the year. "Record seems like a more conservative category anyway," continues the Recording Academy ?member, "and everybody liked 'Hello,' whether or not they loved 25."
But the song, too, faces the Grammys' ?historical reluctance to indulge in reruns. Uniquely, U2 won the record category in 2001 and 2002 for songs from the same album -- "Beautiful Day" and "Walk On," both from 2000's All That You Can't Leave Behind -- but Roberta Flack (in 1973 and 1974 for "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" and "Killing Me Softly With His Song" ) and Simon & Garfunkel (in 1969 and 1971 for "Mrs. Robinson" and "Bridge Over Troubled Water") were the only artists ever to pull off wins for singles from consecutive projects. In the song category, only Flack, U2 and Bette Midler have had songs from successive albums take the prize.
Of course, Adele has many factors working in her favor to break Grammy precedent. For one, she had such a long gap between album projects -- nearly five years -- that voters may not see any fatigue factor. There's also the possibility of vote ?splitting among the other contenders for album of the year. Factoring out the likely long shots (Sturgill Simpson, Justin Bieber), that leaves Beyonc? and Drake as Adele's toughest competitors. Both are formidable in terms of commercial impact: Drake's Views was 2016's No. 1 album with 4.1 million equivalent album units, compared with 2.4 million for 25 and 2.2 million for Lemonade. Factor in the critical and cultural adoration factor for Beyonc? to give her a Grammy boost over Drake. But those two albums have significant overlap in their appeal to an R&B/hip-hop demographic and could conceivably split the vote.
For the most traditionally minded voters -- the type who coalesced to give Steely Dan a win over Eminem in 2001 and Herbie Hancock over Kanye West and Amy Winehouse in 2008 -- Adele may seem like the only choice. But Beyonc?'s wide appeal suggests that even if those members favor Adele, it won't be a unilateral vote.
"I tend to look at it on a chapter-by-chapter basis, looking at what's going on in those cities," says one Recording Academy insider. "Of the 12 chapters, the three largest are Los Angeles, New York and Nashville, and they'll split between Adele and Beyonc?. So will Seattle and San Francisco, probably. But then you've got Chicago: Look at what's going on there and tell me they won't vote for Beyonc?," as will, the member believes, Louisiana-Memphis [a combined chapter], Philadelphia, Atlanta and Miami. And as a Houston native, "she'll probably split some of the Texas vote with [country-leaning] Simpson."
The Grammys may be the real winner if a split places photos of Beyonc? and Adele on the nation's front pages the next day. "Adele will more than get her due," says one voter, "and the Grammys like to give album of the year to the person who really opened up a personal journal. Last time, that was Adele, but this time it was Beyonc?." Another adds: "I think a lot of people feel we're overdue to really reward Beyonc? for her Beyonc?-ness."
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both are lackluster albums
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Im sure 'dele dont really give a fuck.
Quote from: Baphomet. on January 19, 2017, 02:56:53 PM
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Adele got a diamond plaque for her mess already honey. Lem' could win and the sales still wont clock 2.5 million domestically.
'Dele took home the real gold already.
And the fact that Taylor won album of the year TWICE is all I need to know.
Quote from: Bulldagger on January 19, 2017, 03:16:31 PM
Lem' could win and the sales still wont clock 2.5 million domestically.
Im gonna bookmark this
Lets be honest love, has Bey ever seen a boost like Dele after a grammy win, performance, presentation, etc? Last year even when Dele had a shitty performance, her sales did close to million. Don't get me started on the slayage that was 21.
QuoteADELE BREAKS RECORD BY SELLING 730,000 AFTER GRAMMYS
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QuoteBeyonce Strikes 1.7 Million in U.S. Sales, Earns Grammy Boost
Read more: http://singersroom.com/content/2014-02-06/beyonce-strikes-17-million-in-us-sales-earns-grammy-boost/#ixzz4WF1VWgxY
According to trusted sources, the "Partition" singer's album sold 48,000 copies in the week following the awards, up 1 percent, to land at no.5 on the Billboard 200.
While not as big of a boost as one might expect, the 48k pushes Beyonce through to the 1.7 million mark in terms of U.S. album sales to date.
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Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn! She's no competition.
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Quote from: Bulldagger on January 19, 2017, 03:16:31 PM
Lem' could win and the sales still wont clock 2.5 million domestically.
Im gonna bookmark this
why
its not
burn the witch :guys:
all the albums nominated were meh
i'd give it to drake tho
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Why does Beyonce have to be Donkey Kong :dead:
so racist
Quote from: BENTLEY. on January 19, 2017, 10:23:11 PM
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Why does Beyonce have to be Donkey Kong :dead:
so racist
shes not
the Grammy is Donkey Kong
Sounds about right.
Adelephant ain't winning lol.
sss
Oops
If she doesn't win it's simply because 25 is her weakest album. This elaborated plot lmao.
Hello is def winning SOTY
I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly beat her for best pop vocal performance.
Quote from: iSleigh on January 20, 2017, 01:40:29 AM
If she doesn't win it's simply because 25 is her weakest album. This elaborated plot lmao.
Hello is def winning SOTY
I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly beat her for best pop vocal performance.
Soooo by your logic Lemonade is one of Bey's weakest albums because it's one of her lowest selling albums domestically and internationally? What kind of retarded logic is that?
Grammys clearly isn't based on the quality of music or Beyonce would have a small few and Taylor Swift wouldn't have two AOTY awards. 25 shits all over Lemonade from beginning to end. The people have spoken domestically and internationally at the tune of close to 20 milllion globally. You don't sell that much in the digital age with subpar material, ask Beyonce. :plzstop:
I hope Beyonce wins because that would be the only thing that gives her and sourlemons credibility (to the stans cause the Grammys ain't been credible since the mid 90's) because it wasn't the sales and lack of hit singles.
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Quote from: Bulldagger on January 20, 2017, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: iSleigh on January 20, 2017, 01:40:29 AM
If she doesn't win it's simply because 25 is her weakest album. This elaborated plot lmao.
Hello is def winning SOTY
I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly beat her for best pop vocal performance.
Soooo by your logic Lemonade is one of Bey's weakest albums because it's one of her lowest selling albums domestically and internationally? What kind of retarded logic is that?
Who said anything about sales? Can you highlight it?
25 sold 3 x what 19 sold and it's not even 20% as good as 19. Next time read a post before you "clap back" loooking all kinds of foolish.
25 is adeles weakest album. What you gon' do? Fight me about it? #IsaidWhatISaid
Quote from: Bulldagger on January 20, 2017, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: iSleigh on January 20, 2017, 01:40:29 AM
If she doesn't win it's simply because 25 is her weakest album. This elaborated plot lmao.
Hello is def winning SOTY
I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly beat her for best pop vocal performance.
Soooo by your logic Lemonade is one of Bey's weakest albums because it's one of her lowest selling albums domestically and internationally? What kind of retarded logic is that?
Grammys clearly isn't based on the quality of music or Beyonce would have a small few and Taylor Swift wouldn't have two AOTY awards. 25 shits all over Lemonade from beginning to end. The people have spoken domestically and internationally at the tune of close to 20 milllion globally. You don't sell that much in the digital age with subpar material, ask Beyonce. :plzstop:
I hope Beyonce wins because that would be the only thing that gives her and sourlemons credibility (to the stans cause the Grammys ain't been credible since the mid 90's) because it wasn't the sales and lack of hit singles.
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OOP!
I agree
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Quote from: iSleigh on January 20, 2017, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on January 20, 2017, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: iSleigh on January 20, 2017, 01:40:29 AM
If she doesn't win it's simply because 25 is her weakest album. This elaborated plot lmao.
Hello is def winning SOTY
I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly beat her for best pop vocal performance.
Soooo by your logic Lemonade is one of Bey's weakest albums because it's one of her lowest selling albums domestically and internationally? What kind of retarded logic is that?
Who said anything about sales? Can you highlight it?
25 sold 3 x what 19 sold and it's not even 20% as good as 19. Next time read a post before you "clap back" loooking all kinds of foolish.
25 is adeles weakest album. What you gon' do? Fight me about it? #IsaidWhatISaid
agreed.
and just in case anyone forgot. Rihanna is not nominated.
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The way Bull dragged Bey & the HIVe in here
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Quote from: Baphomet. on January 20, 2017, 09:21:31 PM
and just in case anyone forgot. Rihanna is not nominated.
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Quote from: Baphomet. on January 20, 2017, 09:20:50 PM
Quote from: iSleigh on January 20, 2017, 08:44:11 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on January 20, 2017, 11:11:40 AM
Quote from: iSleigh on January 20, 2017, 01:40:29 AM
If she doesn't win it's simply because 25 is her weakest album. This elaborated plot lmao.
Hello is def winning SOTY
I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly beat her for best pop vocal performance.
Soooo by your logic Lemonade is one of Bey's weakest albums because it's one of her lowest selling albums domestically and internationally? What kind of retarded logic is that?
Who said anything about sales? Can you highlight it?
25 sold 3 x what 19 sold and it's not even 20% as good as 19. Next time read a post before you "clap back" loooking all kinds of foolish.
25 is adeles weakest album. What you gon' do? Fight me about it? #IsaidWhatISaid
agreed.
Damn, Sleigh let have in here