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I come from the underground. I am never comfortable in the middle of the stream, flowing in the same direction as everyone else. I think people assume that?s where I want to be, famous for being famous, because as part of what I do there is a high level of showing off. But my instinct is always to resist the pull of the obvious. It?s not easy.
Trends come along and people say, ?Follow that trend?. There?s a lot of that around at the moment: ?Be like Sasha Fierce. Be like Miley Cyrus. Be like Rihanna. Be like Lady Gaga. Be like Rita Ora and Sia. Be like Madonna.? I cannot be like them ? except to the extent that they are already being like me.
I have been so copied by those people who have made fortunes that people assume I am that rich. But I did things for the excitement, the dare, the fact that it was new, not for the money, and too many times I was the first, not the beneficiary.
Rihanna? she does the body-painting thing I did with Keith Haring, but where he painted directly on my body, she wears a painted bodysuit. That?s the difference. Mine is on skin; she puts a barrier between the paint and her skin. I don?t even know if she knows that what she?s doing comes from me, but I bet you the people styling her know. They know the history.
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I remember when one of the singers on the list of those who came after me first said that she wanted to work with me. Everyone around me is going: ?You have to do it, it will be so good for you, it will introduce you to a whole new audience, you will make a lot of money?. No! It will be good for her; she will draw from everything I have built and add it to her brand, and I will get nothing back except for a little temporary attention. No one could believe that I said no, but I am okay on my own. I am okay not worrying about a new audience. If the fuck don?t feel right, don?t fuck it.
With this one, who I will call Doris, I thought she was trying on other people?s outfits: she?s a baby in a closet full of other people?s clothes, a little girl playing dress-up, putting on shoes that don?t fit. I could see what she wanted to be when I watched her doing something when she started out that was starker and purer. Deep down, she doesn?t want to do all the dressing-up nonsense; she loses herself inside all the play-acting.
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The problem with the Dorises and the Nicki Minajes and Mileys is that they reach their goal very quickly. There is no long-term vision, and they forget that once you get into that whirlpool then you have to fight the system that solidifies around you in order to keep being the outsider you claim you represent. There will always be a replacement coming along very soon ? a newer version, a crazier version, a louder version. So if you haven?t got a long-term plan, then you are merely a passing phase, the latest trend, yesterday?s event.
They dress up as though they are challenging the status quo, but by now, wearing those clothes, pulling those faces, revealing those tattoos and breasts, singing to those fractured, spastic, melting beats ? that is the status quo. You are not off the beaten track, pushing through the thorny undergrowth, finding treasure no one has come across before. You are in the middle of the road. You are really in Vegas wearing the sparkly full-length gown singing to people who are paying to see you but are not really paying attention. If that is what you want, fine, but it?s a road to nowhere.
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I look at Doris and I think: Does she look happy? She looks lost, like she is desperately trying to find the person she was when she started. She looks like really she knows she is in Vegas, now that Vegas is the whole entertainment world filtered through the internet, through impatient social media. I don?t mind her dressing up, but when she started to dance like Madonna, almost immediately, copying someone else, it was like she had forgotten what it was about her that could be unique. Ultimately, it is all about prettiness and comfort, however much they pretend they are being provocative.
Kate Moss often says to me that I am the only performer around at the moment who deserves to be called a diva.That gets us arguing, seemingly a little too serious if anyone hears us. I hate that word diva. It?s been so abused! Every singer given a makeover or a few weeks on a talent show seems to be called a diva these days! Christ almighty. Where?s the exclusivity? It?s so commercial now. For me, a diva is like the great opera singer, the great film star ? out of reach, in their own world, with a real gift for invention, attention-demanding performance artists with a flamboyant, compelling sense of their own importance, so special and inimitable it verges on the alien. And of course the word is usually used to describe an apparently erratic female whose temperamental qualities, survival instincts, and dedication to perfection are seen as weaknesses, as self-indulgent, not a strength. So, Kate, I am not a diva. I am a Jones!
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This is what I would say to my pupil: you have become only your fame, and left behind most of who you were. How are you going to deal with that? Will you lose that person forever? Have you become someone else, without really knowing it? Do you always have to stay in character for people to like you? Do you know that you are in character?
Doris, I would say fame is all well and good if you want to take it to another level. If you have some greater purpose. Me, I am just a singer, on one sort of stage or another, who likes to have an audience, but not all the time. Listen to my advice; I have some experience. In a way, it is me being a teacher, which is what I wanted to be. I still feel I could go into teaching. What is teaching but passing on your knowledge to those who are at the beginning? Some people are born with that gift. With me, the teaching side morphed into the performing side. It?s in there. And these are my pupils ? Gaga, Madonna, Annie Lennox, Katy Perry, Rihanna, Miley, Kanye West, FKA Twigs and... Doris.
:uhh: Long read was an understatement.. i need a fuckin Advil ... but it was a Good read none the less and all true
Who is Doris? is it Bey?
Couple of good quotes in here
Doris could be Britney Spears being that she's in Vegas.
This is my bitch . So legendary and iconic .
She preached!
Or Beyonce...sounds like it could be her.
Doris is DAWN!
U can just tell
Would Grace even know what a Dawn is though? lol
Damn who is Doris :ohwow:
mmm nevr mind
She's referring to Beyonc?
Dawn :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
Don is a try hard so yeah Doris is her!
Yea Doris is Bey lolz
I thought Gaga until the last line
When has Beyonce ever danced like Madonna? Doris is either Britney Spears or Janet.
Doris definitely not Janet lol. Janet dancing like Madonna? WTF? lol
NOT ONE FUCKING LIE WAS TOLD!!!!
Especially about that talentless bitch rih :supluv:
She's more talented than Ci Hun lolz
And prettier
And younger
And more successful
And more relevant
Wow.. Shall I continue ?
Quote from: Glock on September 09, 2015, 11:30:25 PM
She's more talented than Ci Hun lolz
And prettier
And younger
And more successful
And more relevant
Wow.. Shall I continue ?
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She said some true things but she's definitely bitter she doesn't get the credit she feels she deserves.
Why would she be bitter, Grace is iconic.
Someone always has to be "bitter" for stating how they feel.
Quote from: Glock on September 09, 2015, 11:30:25 PM
She's more talented than Ci Hun lolz
And prettier
And younger
And more successful
And more relevant
Wow.. Shall I continue ?
None of that had to do with actual talent
Lets stay on topic welfare :supluv:
Quote from: .betterwiseup on September 09, 2015, 11:40:48 PM
Why would she be bitter, Grace is iconic.
Someone always has to be "bitter" for stating how they feel.
Yup
Doris is clearly Gaga. Play-acting, dressing up, and losing herself artistically over the years. Grace turned down a chance to work together years and years ago:
QuoteWhen asked if she had been approached by Camp Gaga to do some collaborative warbling at the time, Jones told the paper, ?Yes, she did, but I said no. I?d just prefer to work with someone who is more original and someone who is not copying me, actually.?
http://www.idolator.com/7460879/lady-gaga-grace-jones-photo-philip-treacy
Grace Jones is iconic? LOL
Quote from: Jonovan on September 09, 2015, 11:32:52 PM
She said some true things but she's definitely bitter she doesn't get the credit she feels she deserves.
:plzstop:
Am sorry but she's Grace fucking Jones. :uhh:
Nothing to be bitter about. If you didn't get it from reading it, she doesnt do it for the credit. Even people who don't know who she is knows the name.\
Dont get bitter at all!
I just see a true artist calling out faux art! She stated she is about invention and going against the grain. So being bitter because she isnt mainstream today or recognized would go against everything she just said. She's content with knowing she's first. She just want these girls to find themselves as artist rather than always yanking from her catalogue of images.
Thats why as an artist who has 1,000,000 original ideas floating in my brain daily I can never understand why these new artist are so dependent on old artist ideas. There is only but so much homage to pay b4 it turns to swagger jacking.
Wow she seems...like a pretentious bitch who's feeling herself a bit too much.
Quote from: ssw4919 on September 09, 2015, 11:45:49 PM
Doris is clearly Gaga. Play-acting, dressing up, and losing herself artistically over the years. Grace turned down a chance to work together years and years ago:
QuoteWhen asked if she had been approached by Camp Gaga to do some collaborative warbling at the time, Jones told the paper, ?Yes, she did, but I said no. I?d just prefer to work with someone who is more original and someone who is not copying me, actually.?
http://www.idolator.com/7460879/lady-gaga-grace-jones-photo-philip-treacy
She says it's not Gaga, but it could be .
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on September 09, 2015, 11:53:08 PM
Dont get bitter at all!
I just see a true artist calling out faux art! She stated she is about invention and going against the grain. So being bitter because she isnt mainstream today or recognized would go against everything she just said. She's content with knowing she's first. She just want these girls to find themselves as artist rather than always yanking from her catalogue of images.
Thats why as an artist who has 1,000,000 original ideas floating in my brain daily I can never understand why these new artist are so dependent on old artist ideas. There is only but so much homage to pay b4 it turns to swagger jacking.
!!!
Quote from: Jonovan on September 09, 2015, 11:32:52 PM
She said some true things but she's definitely bitter she doesn't get the credit she feels she deserves.
and rightfully so
Quote from: Hazeleyes on September 09, 2015, 10:58:31 PM
When has Beyonce ever danced like Madonna? Doris is either Britney Spears .
:ermm:
Yeah I don't get bitter. She has always been outspoken.
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fags always talking about someone is bitter or angry when someone expresses themselves and it seems to slight another person.
:nowgorl:
Quote from: KingDrewLove on September 09, 2015, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: Jonovan on September 09, 2015, 11:32:52 PM
She said some true things but she's definitely bitter she doesn't get the credit she feels she deserves.
:plzstop:
Even people who don't know who she is knows the name.\
Really? That's interesting. LOL
Quote from: 9九 on September 09, 2015, 11:54:11 PM
Wow she seems...like a pretentious bitch who's feeling herself a bit too much.
IMO she has that right. I would be feeling myself too if every relevant artist in the world for the last 20 years has constantly copied me. They're others who feel themselves far more and have thought of nothing ( Bey & Nicki no pun).
When you create classic solid work like she has you can kind of turn your nose up at the fisher price bullshit.
Beyonce stans so defensive and she didn't even say her name lol. Calm down!
Quote from: Jonovan on September 10, 2015, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: KingDrewLove on September 09, 2015, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: Jonovan on September 09, 2015, 11:32:52 PM
She said some true things but she's definitely bitter she doesn't get the credit she feels she deserves.
:plzstop:
Even people who don't know who she is knows the name.\
Really? That's interesting. LOL
Aren't you Lady Gaga fan?!
Quote from: .betterwiseup on September 10, 2015, 12:12:36 AM
Beyonce stans so defensive and she didn't even say her name lol. Calm down!
Who is being defensive?
Quote from: Kurama on September 10, 2015, 12:03:38 AM
g
fags always talking about someone is bitter or angry when someone expresses themselves and it seems to slight another person.
:nowgorl:
!!!!! :uhh:
Quote from: .betterwiseup on September 10, 2015, 12:13:21 AM
Quote from: Jonovan on September 10, 2015, 12:08:09 AM
Quote from: KingDrewLove on September 09, 2015, 11:51:44 PM
Quote from: Jonovan on September 09, 2015, 11:32:52 PM
She said some true things but she's definitely bitter she doesn't get the credit she feels she deserves.
:plzstop:
Even people who don't know who she is knows the name.\
Really? That's interesting. LOL
Aren't you Lady Gaga fan?!
No. I don't see how that matters though
It's either Britney or Gaga no shade
Boi shush.
Doris is clearly gag'
I knew sumn was wrong wit tht dyke wen she plopped a damns mop on her head for tht artpop mess
I thought it was Gaga too but Gaga and Doris are mentioned separately
Quote from: JCJ. on September 10, 2015, 02:57:18 AM
I thought it was Gaga too but Gaga and Doris are mentioned separately
Right!
mayb' doris is tha man part of gags
Maybe it's Christina
actually grace calls xtine niece n luv her
so it cnt b her
Nnnn at her naming Rita Ora...
It's clearly Beyonc?, the only artist whose name you can't publicly criticize.
She loves Queen Dawn, they did a song together lolz
Well act'! Pieceofwooda boy...
Don did not do a song with Grace Jones and if you talking about "Yeah Yeah You Would" please stop cause you can't even hear Grace on the song lol.
Both their credits are perched on the same track. Collaborate with your iconic music biz dawta then Grace.
Quote from: .betterwiseup on September 09, 2015, 11:02:22 PM
Doris definitely not Janet lol. Janet dancing like Madonna? WTF? lol
hhhhh right?
:plzstop:
Quote from: Dorobucci on September 10, 2015, 03:53:08 AM
Quote from: .betterwiseup on September 09, 2015, 11:02:22 PM
Doris definitely not Janet lol. Janet dancing like Madonna? WTF? lol
hhhhh right?
:plzstop:
I wish you stfu and die already. SEAL in the face lookin ass faggot
Bored much?
n
Bored and ugly
Bored ugly and stupid
Suck my dick much?
Fuck outta here dusty
Like her damn mama that carried on with the pregnancy
With these reads from 2011 and those braids from 1991 :dead:
It's 9am here and it's too early for your brand of stupid hun'
Quote from: M ? I S ? N on September 10, 2015, 03:56:42 AM
n
Bored and ugly
Nigger, you were fucked and ditched by a MARRIED man. You pretty much are the lowest of the low. :plzstop:
Quote from: Dorobucci on September 10, 2015, 03:58:52 AM
With these reads from 2011 and those braids from 1991 :dead:
It's 9am here and it's too early for your brand of stupid hun'
Motherfucker IDGAF. I say wtf I want. Stay pressed or do something about it
And I thought that useless faggot blocked me :plzstop:
Not her LOOKING for me
Fag I don't want anything to do with you
I barely remember your sucking up ass
Quote from: De? on September 10, 2015, 03:54:21 AM
Quote from: Dorobucci on September 10, 2015, 03:53:08 AM
Quote from: .betterwiseup on September 09, 2015, 11:02:22 PM
Doris definitely not Janet lol. Janet dancing like Madonna? WTF? lol
hhhhh right?
:plzstop:
I wish you stfu and die already. SEAL in the face lookin ass faggot
woah wtf! :omgwatshappening:
More FUCKERY. :plzstop:
I'm gonna remain perched, continue on with the FUMES.
dee hun, why don't you just go on and post your address publicly so you can square off with the nearby haters
what harm would it do
Hhhhh
Sis is always talking about ' we don't wants it with ha'
:dead:
A group of DUSTY ass hoes who fall into bitch fits whenever DEE gets to posting. sssss
We don't like u! Wack! This! That!
If that's the case, then keep my NAME outta your fucking posts and pay me dust STUPID ASSES :plzstop: oh Lawd please help my STAN club
Quote from: throwintheTAL on September 10, 2015, 04:25:57 AM
your address
dddd
bitch we know your residence is a fucking trap stomping ground
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Hhhhhh this damn looney tune
Did you come for ME in this thread :uhh:
You blocked me
Now all of a sudden you can see my posts
So who's following who around
Them box braids are impeding your brains ability to rationalise
I don't pay yall bum niggers any attention until yall say DEE.
Example:
Quote from: Dorobucci on September 10, 2015, 03:36:16 AM
Ggggggggggggggggggg
Just fuck off dee!
Like I said, keep my motherfucking name outta your posts if you don't use me. Fuck outta here. Like the fuck is the point?! :plzstop:
My post still stands
Fuck off!
Nigger suck my dick. :plzstop: die slow
Quote from: Baphomet. on September 09, 2015, 10:48:52 PM
Would Grace even know what a Dawn is though? lol
absolutely not
:plzstop:
she aint big enough for Grace to wanna make it anonymous either
sucks the mainstream has never really credited her for the impact she had on the fashion/music world.
wish she would have clarified who the fuck doris is tho :hmph:
n
Yea she's usually so bold but this Doris shit is late
Quote from: Dorobucci on September 10, 2015, 03:58:52 AM
With these reads from 2011 and those braids from 1991 :dead:
It's 9am here and it's too early for your brand of stupid hun'
j
Quote from: De? on September 10, 2015, 04:30:04 AM
A group of DUSTY ass hoes who fall into bitch fits whenever DEE gets to posting. sssss
We don't like u! Wack! This! That!
If that's the case, then keep my NAME outta your fucking posts and pay me dust STUPID ASSES :plzstop: oh Lawd please help my STAN club
no hun we have to address you
You can't be coy when you want someone to OFF themself
Quoteyou have become only your fame, and left behind most of who you were. How are you going to deal with that? Will you lose that person forever? Have you become someone else, without really knowing it? Do you always have to stay in character for people to like you? Do you know that you are in character?
She really preached here, regardless of who she was talking about.
yea Grace Jones use to slay back in the day and her looks were iconic....she had a weird beauty to her that worked back then...her editorial shoots were so fucking edgy naturally (http://www.shallownation.com/images/grace_jones_photo_by_jean_paul_goude_1.jpg)
(http://www.ablackcelebrity.com/wp-content/gallery/grace-jones-pictures/Grace-Jones-actress-image-017.jpeg)
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I'm thinking that Doris is a bit of everyone combined ... And that was her way of rounding them all up in one without being a total bitch...
Grace Jones >>>
She has every right to express herself the way she did here. She and Jean-Paul Goude created some iconic looks that are still silently being copied today.
Quote from: Glock on September 10, 2015, 10:48:48 AM
I'm thinking that Doris is a bit of everyone combined ... And that was her way of rounding them all up in one without being a total bitch...
wait