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Title: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: BAPHOMET. on February 08, 2017, 11:49:25 AM
This Rape Survivor and the Man Who Raped Her Have Teamed Up To Tell Their Story
Over 20 years after Tom raped Thordis, the two are releasing a book.


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The role of forgiveness in healing from sexual assault is complicated and deeply individual: there is no "right" way to react to or process sexual assault, and no formula for how anyone should relate to their assaulter. Thordis Elva, who was raped in 1996 at 16 years old, and Tom Stranger, the man who raped her, know this: they're careful to say that they're sharing their journey of reconciliation not as an example for others to follow, but to demonstrate that healing after assault is possible. Elva and Stranger are co-authors of the forthcoming book South of Forgiveness, an exploration of the attack they both call "the darkest moment of their lives" and its ripple effects on both of their lives over the two decades since. Today, TED posted their joint TED Talk, which they gave at TEDWomen2016 in San Francisco in October of last year. In the talk, they describe their years-long collaborative process of reckoning with Stranger's actions and jointly transferring blame for the rape from Elva to Stranger.

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At the time of the assault, Stranger was an exchange student in Elva's native Iceland, there for just one year of high school. Elva recounts the night that Stranger, her boyfriend at the time, forced himself on her one night when she was drunk and unable to fight back: "In order to stay sane, I silently counted the seconds on my alarm clock, and ever since that night I have known that there are 7,200 seconds in two hours," she says. "Despite limping for days and crying for weeks, this incident didn't fit my ideas about rape like I'd seen on TV. Tom wasn't an armed lunatic, he was my boyfriend, and it didn't happen in a seedy alleyway, it happened in my own body." Afterward, Elva and Stranger, both sensing the irreparable damage to their relationship, saw each other only a handful of times before Stranger returned home to Australia.

Stranger recounts that for years, he didn't view what had happened as rape, either, but carried with him a hollowness and a guilt that he was determined never to sit still long enough to contemplate. When Elva was 25, she was "headed straight for a nervous breakdown," she says. "I was consumed with misplaced hatred and anger that I took out on myself." It's then that she sent Stranger a letter about what she was feeling, which spurred an eight-year-long email correspondence that culminated in the two meeting for the first time since they were teens to spend a week in Cape Town discussing the rape and its impact on their lives, nearly 16 years after Stranger committed it.

"When the plane bounced on that landing strip in Cape Town," Elva recalls, "I remember thinking, Why did I not just get myself a therapist and a bottle of vodka like a normal person would do?" But she calls her time in Cape Town with Stranger transformative, and so does he. For years after the attack, he says, he "gripped tight to the simple notion that I wasn't a bad person ... It took me a long time to stare down this dark corner of myself, and to ask it questions."

"My actions that night in 1996 were a self-centered taking," he adds. "I felt deserving of Thordis' body ... Saying to Thordis that I raped her changed my accord with myself and with her, but mostly importantly the blame transferred from Thordis to me." Elva says that it took her years to realize that the only thing that could have prevented her rape "wasn't my skirt, it wasn't my smile, it wasn't my childish trust. The only thing that could've stopped me from being raped that night is the man who raped me — had he stopped himself."

Many will find watching the survivor and perpetrator of a rape share a stage deeply unsettling. I did. Stranger's use of influential platforms — as a TED Talk presenter, as the co-author of a book, as a speaker on tour — raises serious questions about the rights of assaulters to have their voices heard on the topic of assault, and these voices' roles in and relevance to the conversation. Some of these issues Elva and Stranger sought to address in a Q&A followup to their talk posted today on TED's website: "I understand those who are inclined to criticize me as someone who enabled a perpetrator to have a voice in this discussion," Elva says. "But I believe that a lot can be learned by listening to those who have been a part of the problem — if they’re willing to become part of the solution — about what ideas and attitudes drove their violent actions, so we can work on uprooting them effectively." Sexual assault, she points out, is not a "women's issue" but a human issue, and perpetrators — the vast majority of whom are men — have not only the power but the responsibility to reshape the social forces that encourage assault in the first place. As jarring as it is to see a self-professed rapist take the mic, I agree with the point, and I'm both eager and apprehensive to read Elva and Stranger's book when it comes out next month.


link to the Video TED talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/thordis_elva_tom_stranger_our_story_of_rape_and_reconciliation
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Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: Zankou. on February 08, 2017, 11:50:29 AM
very progressive
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: BAPHOMET. on February 08, 2017, 11:50:54 AM
Im so disgusted its actually making me sad.  :-(

Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: GLOCK on February 08, 2017, 11:51:23 AM
CVBBBBNNNNNNNNNNNMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: Vonc2002 on February 08, 2017, 11:53:57 AM
im fckn SHAKING :plzstop:
Not him needing to tell his side of the story too
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: MAY on February 08, 2017, 11:54:26 AM
He can rape me :oof:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: BAPHOMET. on February 08, 2017, 11:54:42 AM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 08, 2017, 11:53:57 AM
im fckn SHAKING :plzstop:
Not him needing to tell his side of the story too

gffffffffffffffffffffff
like...  :uhh:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: Zankou. on February 08, 2017, 11:54:44 AM
big surprise!
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: MAY on February 08, 2017, 11:54:59 AM
But yeah, this is so bizarre.
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: CHOKE on February 08, 2017, 11:56:20 AM
This is very sweet

You can tell they still have feelings for eachother
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: Zankou. on February 08, 2017, 11:56:31 AM
:udontlookok:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: MORIAH. on February 08, 2017, 12:00:34 PM
Now this is edgy.

But he didnt rape her imo.  :caramelapple:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: CHOKE on February 08, 2017, 12:04:13 PM
QuoteDespite limping for days


  :ohwow:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: MelMel on February 08, 2017, 12:05:12 PM
 :holdupguys: :udontlookok: :sevynstreeter:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: wizzy on February 08, 2017, 12:25:58 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5AykwyO.jpg)
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: FlowerBomb on February 08, 2017, 12:26:58 PM
Smh
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: ❄️☃️🌨� Shuji Feels Different 🌨�☃️❄️ on February 08, 2017, 12:29:39 PM
Yeah...she lowkey got hooked on the dick
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: FlowerBomb on February 08, 2017, 12:30:15 PM
Quote from: Shuji Shuriken on February 08, 2017, 12:29:39 PM
Yeah...she lowkey got hooked on the dick
that's the only explanation
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: FlowerBomb on February 08, 2017, 12:37:26 PM
Or some forms of mental damage
It's kinda offensive this even has a platform
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: BAPHOMET. on February 08, 2017, 12:39:21 PM
White Feminism ladies n gents
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: Kurama on February 08, 2017, 12:40:19 PM
Bitch what?

These feminists and allies are going to chew their ass up.

Not only does this undermine rape survivors pain (which people are usually skeptical about already) but it normalizes rape and the culture by trying to find compassion in the perpetrator . White people are always trying to romanticize some shit.


They both can die.
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: wizzy on February 08, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
Quote from: Saint on February 08, 2017, 12:37:26 PM
Or some forms of mental damage
It's kinda offensive this even has a platform
!!! this exploitation :ermm:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: SouravMay on February 08, 2017, 12:50:34 PM
this is disgusting. I think the only silver lining is that at the time he was only 18 and they both were actually in love.
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: Zankou. on February 08, 2017, 12:51:06 PM
not the silver lining in a rape case :dead:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: FlowerBomb on February 08, 2017, 12:51:27 PM
I wanna pull my eyes out
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: BAPHOMET. on February 08, 2017, 12:51:38 PM
 :uhh:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: SouravMay on February 08, 2017, 12:52:43 PM
I mean Rihanna got back together with a man who beat her senseless and made her face bloody and have open wounds when he was a teenager. She got back with a man who had sex with her against her will when he was a teenager.

I think it is comparable. Rih did the same thing.
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: FINE. on February 08, 2017, 12:53:17 PM
Quote from: شيطان on February 08, 2017, 12:52:43 PM
I mean Rihanna got back together with a man who beat her senseless and made her face bloody and have open wounds when he was a teenager. She got back with a man who had sex with her against her will when he was a teenager.

I think it is comparable. Rih did the same thing.
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Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: FlowerBomb on February 08, 2017, 12:53:33 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: wizzy on February 08, 2017, 12:54:19 PM
Yes, and we definitely saw the silver lining in that relationship. They wrked out beautifully
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: SouravMay on February 08, 2017, 12:55:18 PM
I said it is disgusting already, just putting things into perspective. They were in love and he was a teenager. And the public has forgiven a similar situation with Chrihanna, even cheering on their collaboration.
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: BAPHOMET. on February 08, 2017, 12:55:55 PM
Quote from: شيطان on February 08, 2017, 12:52:43 PM
I mean Rihanna got back together with a man who beat her senseless and made her face bloody and have open wounds when he was a teenager. She got back with a man who had sex with her against her will when he was a teenager.

I think it is comparable. Rih did the same thing.

:guys:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: SouravMay on February 08, 2017, 12:57:01 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on February 08, 2017, 12:55:55 PM
Quote from: شيطان on February 08, 2017, 12:52:43 PM
I mean Rihanna got back together with a man who beat her senseless and made her face bloody and have open wounds when he was a teenager. She got back with a man who had sex with her against her will when he was a teenager.

I think it is comparable. Rih did the same thing.

:guys:

I mean did she not?
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: FlowerBomb on February 08, 2017, 12:58:30 PM
Quote from: Uni on February 08, 2017, 12:54:19 PM
Yes, and we definitely saw the silver lining in that relationship. They wrked out beautifully
:plzstop:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: SouravMay on February 08, 2017, 12:59:02 PM
Oooh Sarcasm
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: wizzy on February 08, 2017, 01:00:25 PM
There's no silver lining in either of those instances :dead:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: Kurama on February 08, 2017, 01:01:39 PM
Hmm...should I ?
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: SouravMay on February 08, 2017, 01:01:58 PM
Well it wasn't the best wording. But it is just some factor providing context, as to why she would sit down and chillax with her rapist like that.
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: GRAND on February 08, 2017, 01:02:40 PM
Money is really a disgusting influence
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: FlowerBomb on February 08, 2017, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: Kurama on February 08, 2017, 01:01:39 PM
Hmm...should I ?
please do.
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: Vonc2002 on February 08, 2017, 01:04:07 PM
Smh
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: BAPHOMET. on February 08, 2017, 01:04:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Lzp8Lkn.gif)
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: yummy on February 08, 2017, 01:05:51 PM
Quote from: MΛΥDΛΥ on February 08, 2017, 11:54:26 AM
He can rape me :oof:

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Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: MAY on February 08, 2017, 01:07:25 PM
Quote from: Kurama on February 08, 2017, 01:01:39 PM
Hmm...should I ?

:dead:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: FlowerBomb on February 08, 2017, 01:07:52 PM
(https://uploadir.com/u/7ykg8ecw)
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: MAY on February 08, 2017, 01:08:28 PM
Why am I being attacked?

:guys:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: Kurama on February 08, 2017, 01:09:17 PM
Quote from: MΛΥDΛΥ on February 08, 2017, 01:08:28 PM
Why am I being attacked?

:guys:

:blessed:
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: SouravMay on February 08, 2017, 01:30:46 PM
lol I thought so

(https://uploadir.com/u/7ykg8ecw)
Title: Re: What is wrong with white people. Not teaming up with YOUR rapist
Post by: JRocka on February 08, 2017, 03:45:33 PM
Quote from: Chokeme on February 08, 2017, 11:56:20 AM
This is very sweet

You can tell they still have feelings for eachother
you're so strange
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