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Title: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: iman on September 19, 2015, 09:29:44 PM


:hmph:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: RekeRig on September 19, 2015, 09:31:11 PM
already cryin
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 09:31:29 PM
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hey lil sis :wub:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Young on September 19, 2015, 09:34:07 PM
The title has me singing Hymnals
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: iman on September 19, 2015, 09:35:18 PM
Seriously how selfish can you be to hide a lie like this and fake it with a wife and kids. Just disgusting. We need a whole show for DL people.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 09:36:59 PM
Quote from: Young on September 19, 2015, 09:34:07 PM
The title has me singing Hymnals
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Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BAPHOMET. on September 19, 2015, 09:40:13 PM


:stressed: The Lord is my shepard n he knows what I want. The cack
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BAPHOMET. on September 19, 2015, 09:40:26 PM
XXXXXXXXXXSD
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 09:42:36 PM
watching now...

i find this to be truth for so many african american men in the south
gay shaming forces them into a life they know isn't true

his mother is really to blame. dumb, ignorant hateful bitch.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
Here we go, like do they ever portray fags in a normal light. I dont like how they tied in him being raped as a young boy with him being gay, like what does one have to do with the other.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 09:46:20 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
Here we go, like do they ever portray fags in a normal light. I dont like how they tied in him being raped as a young boy with him being gay, like what does one have to do with the other.
umm this is a normal light.

it only doesn't seem that way because many of these instances are kept secret.
familial rape is not as uncommon as it seems.
kinda like drunk driving. some get caught, but MANY people get behind the wheel intoxicated.

this is his story, it's not a very unique one, which is probably why you'll see it many times over.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BAPHOMET. on September 19, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I dont like how they tied in him being raped as a young boy with him being gay, like what does one have to do with the other.

I really HATE that because it makes no sense.
How can a traumatic experience make you want to turn gay.   :diddraispoot:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on September 19, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I dont like how they tied in him being raped as a young boy with him being gay, like what does one have to do with the other.

I really HATE that because it makes no sense.
How can a traumatic experience make you want to turn gay.   :diddraispoot:
it can cause someone to question their sexuality. men are easily aroused. so if a woman touches my private part, and i get hard, as an adult i understand its only natural. this does not mean I am bisexual or heterosexual. but as a child, you'd ask "why did i enjoy that a bit?"

if anything, it only supports the truth that being gay is NOT a choice. which is more important than any other theory.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:49:37 PM
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Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 09:50:12 PM
read above post.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 09:53:36 PM
as long as they're not pushing some story where an individual woke up one morning and decided to be gay, i think the conversation is healthy.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on September 19, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I dont like how they tied in him being raped as a young boy with him being gay, like what does one have to do with the other.

I really HATE that because it makes no sense.
How can a traumatic experience make you want to turn gay.   :diddraispoot:
it can cause someone to question their sexuality. men are easily aroused. so if a woman touches my private part, and i get hard, as an adult i understand its only natural. this does not mean I am bisexual or heterosexual. but as a child, you'd ask "why did i enjoy that a bit?"

if anything, it only supports the truth that being gay is NOT a choice. which is more important than any other theory.

I was molested when I was a kid, non of that peaked my gay interest because I knew what I was at a very young age. One of the biggest myths is that being gay is some perversion derived from impure thoughts amongst men, some of which fantasize about young boys. For people to continue to link molestation, or being raped by a man to being gay is just ridiculous to me.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Kurama on September 19, 2015, 10:02:13 PM
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Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:02:36 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on September 19, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I dont like how they tied in him being raped as a young boy with him being gay, like what does one have to do with the other.

I really HATE that because it makes no sense.
How can a traumatic experience make you want to turn gay.   :diddraispoot:
it can cause someone to question their sexuality. men are easily aroused. so if a woman touches my private part, and i get hard, as an adult i understand its only natural. this does not mean I am bisexual or heterosexual. but as a child, you'd ask "why did i enjoy that a bit?"

if anything, it only supports the truth that being gay is NOT a choice. which is more important than any other theory.

I was molested when I was a kid, non of that peaked my gay interest because I knew what I was at a very young age. One of the biggest myths is that being gay is some perversion derived from impure thoughts amongst men, some of which fantasize about young boys. For people to continue to link molestation, or being raped by a man to being gay is just ridiculous to me.
Firstly, I'm very sorry that you were molested. That's first and foremost.

But this is a real story, that a gay black man is sharing. This is his truth. We cannot invalidate his story based off of what we feel are common myths, just as no one can invalidate yours. We can't ignore it. Don't worry so much about how certain people link this with that.

I sense some sort of discomfort  you have with these things.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: yummy on September 19, 2015, 10:04:34 PM
g

another church queen battling a "demon"

won't be watching
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 10:06:50 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:02:36 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on September 19, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I dont like how they tied in him being raped as a young boy with him being gay, like what does one have to do with the other.

I really HATE that because it makes no sense.
How can a traumatic experience make you want to turn gay.   :diddraispoot:
it can cause someone to question their sexuality. men are easily aroused. so if a woman touches my private part, and i get hard, as an adult i understand its only natural. this does not mean I am bisexual or heterosexual. but as a child, you'd ask "why did i enjoy that a bit?"

if anything, it only supports the truth that being gay is NOT a choice. which is more important than any other theory.

I was molested when I was a kid, non of that peaked my gay interest because I knew what I was at a very young age. One of the biggest myths is that being gay is some perversion derived from impure thoughts amongst men, some of which fantasize about young boys. For people to continue to link molestation, or being raped by a man to being gay is just ridiculous to me.
Firstly, I'm very sorry that you were molested. That's first and foremost.

But this is a real story, that a gay black man is sharing. This is his truth. We cannot invalidate his story based off of what we feel are common myths, just as no one can invalidate yours. We can't ignore it. Don't worry so much about how certain people link this with that.

I sense some sort of discomfort  you have with these things.
H

It is really not that deep.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Jon on September 19, 2015, 10:07:47 PM
Still can't believe this moron is on Oprah's channel, not that I ever thought Oprah was intelligent but wow.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:08:02 PM
I don't think he said that he's battling his sexuality, though.

It seems as if he's actually coming to terms with it.
Which is a great story.
Hopefully he continues to focus on living his truth, and not battling the truth itself.

cuz I'd be annoyed to watch yet another "born again" heterosexual claiming they're done with Satan's trickery, blah blah blah.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:08:44 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 10:06:50 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:02:36 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on September 19, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I dont like how they tied in him being raped as a young boy with him being gay, like what does one have to do with the other.

I really HATE that because it makes no sense.
How can a traumatic experience make you want to turn gay.   :diddraispoot:
it can cause someone to question their sexuality. men are easily aroused. so if a woman touches my private part, and i get hard, as an adult i understand its only natural. this does not mean I am bisexual or heterosexual. but as a child, you'd ask "why did i enjoy that a bit?"

if anything, it only supports the truth that being gay is NOT a choice. which is more important than any other theory.

I was molested when I was a kid, non of that peaked my gay interest because I knew what I was at a very young age. One of the biggest myths is that being gay is some perversion derived from impure thoughts amongst men, some of which fantasize about young boys. For people to continue to link molestation, or being raped by a man to being gay is just ridiculous to me.
Firstly, I'm very sorry that you were molested. That's first and foremost.

But this is a real story, that a gay black man is sharing. This is his truth. We cannot invalidate his story based off of what we feel are common myths, just as no one can invalidate yours. We can't ignore it. Don't worry so much about how certain people link this with that.

I sense some sort of discomfort  you have with these things.
H

It is really not that deep.
Is it not?

You seem to get very frustrated when homosexuality is brought up my luv. I'm only making an observation. If I'm wrong, so be it.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 10:14:12 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:08:44 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 10:06:50 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:02:36 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on September 19, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I dont like how they tied in him being raped as a young boy with him being gay, like what does one have to do with the other.

I really HATE that because it makes no sense.
How can a traumatic experience make you want to turn gay.   :diddraispoot:
it can cause someone to question their sexuality. men are easily aroused. so if a woman touches my private part, and i get hard, as an adult i understand its only natural. this does not mean I am bisexual or heterosexual. but as a child, you'd ask "why did i enjoy that a bit?"

if anything, it only supports the truth that being gay is NOT a choice. which is more important than any other theory.

I was molested when I was a kid, non of that peaked my gay interest because I knew what I was at a very young age. One of the biggest myths is that being gay is some perversion derived from impure thoughts amongst men, some of which fantasize about young boys. For people to continue to link molestation, or being raped by a man to being gay is just ridiculous to me.
Firstly, I'm very sorry that you were molested. That's first and foremost.

But this is a real story, that a gay black man is sharing. This is his truth. We cannot invalidate his story based off of what we feel are common myths, just as no one can invalidate yours. We can't ignore it. Don't worry so much about how certain people link this with that.

I sense some sort of discomfort  you have with these things.
H

It is really not that deep.
Is it not?

You seem to get very frustrated when homosexuality is brought up my luv. I'm only making an observation. If I'm wrong, so be it.

No, not frustrated. I just have my own views on the matter. I understand that this is his story but for me I just dont feel like him being raped has a direct relation with him being gay. Because if it were that easy for him to awaken those feelings of wanting to be gay after being raped, why can't it be just that easy for him to switch back to being straight by picking up a bible.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:16:20 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 10:14:12 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:08:44 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 10:06:50 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:02:36 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on September 19, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I dont like how they tied in him being raped as a young boy with him being gay, like what does one have to do with the other.

I really HATE that because it makes no sense.
How can a traumatic experience make you want to turn gay.   :diddraispoot:
it can cause someone to question their sexuality. men are easily aroused. so if a woman touches my private part, and i get hard, as an adult i understand its only natural. this does not mean I am bisexual or heterosexual. but as a child, you'd ask "why did i enjoy that a bit?"

if anything, it only supports the truth that being gay is NOT a choice. which is more important than any other theory.

I was molested when I was a kid, non of that peaked my gay interest because I knew what I was at a very young age. One of the biggest myths is that being gay is some perversion derived from impure thoughts amongst men, some of which fantasize about young boys. For people to continue to link molestation, or being raped by a man to being gay is just ridiculous to me.
Firstly, I'm very sorry that you were molested. That's first and foremost.

But this is a real story, that a gay black man is sharing. This is his truth. We cannot invalidate his story based off of what we feel are common myths, just as no one can invalidate yours. We can't ignore it. Don't worry so much about how certain people link this with that.

I sense some sort of discomfort  you have with these things.
H

It is really not that deep.
Is it not?

You seem to get very frustrated when homosexuality is brought up my luv. I'm only making an observation. If I'm wrong, so be it.

No, not frustrated. I just have my own views on the matter. I understand that this is his story but for me I just dont feel like him being raped has a direct relation with him being gay. Because if it were that easy for him to awaken those feelings of wanting to be gay after being raped, why can't it be just that easy for him to switch back to being straight by picking up a bible.
I'm going to leave this one alone.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 10:18:13 PM
ok
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: iman on September 19, 2015, 10:18:37 PM
btw he mentioned that he was raped by a man. I wonder if that made him gay. Sad.

I remember watching Oprah like 10 years ago and a gay guy was on there talking about how he was molested by his dad. That made me wonder if that influenced his gayness. Same thing with Tyler Perry.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:19:23 PM
You're very brave for sharing your story.
Have you ever talked to anyone about what happened to you? Like anyone professional
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: iman on September 19, 2015, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on September 19, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I dont like how they tied in him being raped as a young boy with him being gay, like what does one have to do with the other.

I really HATE that because it makes no sense.
How can a traumatic experience make you want to turn gay.   :diddraispoot:

You really don't think a young boy would be confused? :uhh:

the prostate is in the ass. I can totally see a young man being confused sexually if they were abused as a child by other men.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:19:23 PM
You're very brave for sharing your story.
Have you ever talked to anyone about what happened to you? Like anyone professional

A professional can not tell me what I already know. But thank you for those kind words. It happened,  but it never really affected me in one way or the other.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Young on September 19, 2015, 10:30:10 PM
I know NUMEROUS people with positions in church living a lie

So sad...and I REFUSE
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:30:52 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 10:25:40 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:19:23 PM
You're very brave for sharing your story.
Have you ever talked to anyone about what happened to you? Like anyone professional

A professional can not tell me what I already know. But thank you for those kind words. It happened,  but it never really affected me in one way or the other.
I wasn't referring to your sexuality, if that's what you assumed. But if you're fine, it's cool. I just can't hear someone tell me they've been through something that traumatic without asking if they've talked with someone about it. Someone very close to me in my family, who is heterosexual, came to me with that information and I immediately asked them the same question. It's out of love.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: iman on September 19, 2015, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on September 19, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I dont like how they tied in him being raped as a young boy with him being gay, like what does one have to do with the other.

I really HATE that because it makes no sense.
How can a traumatic experience make you want to turn gay.   :diddraispoot:

You really don't think a young boy would be confused? :uhh:

the prostate is in the ass. I can totally see a young man being confused sexually if they were abused as a child by other men.
I think some of the gorls see it more as an "excuse" as opposed to a background. I don't feel its right to dictate anyone's truth. If they tell you that the believe molestation shaped them, that's their truth and they're dealing with it. If they say they feel it didn't, again that is their truth. We shouldn't put ourselves in a position to write off someone's traumatic childhood experience simply because we view it as a scapegoat for their sexuality.

At least they're basing their story off of something psychological. Not looking for bible verses to determine whether they like men or women. :sobusyjetsetter:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 10:43:01 PM

most of the ones who 'turn gay because of molestation' were already gay to begin with
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 10:44:44 PM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 10:43:01 PM

most of the ones who 'turn gay because of molestation' were already gay to begin with
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 10:43:01 PM

most of the ones who 'turn gay because of molestation' were already gay to begin with
How do you know that? bear in mind, these are children we're referring to

when you say gay, do you simply mean children who are effeminate? there's a difference between that and actual sexuality.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: iman on September 19, 2015, 10:50:17 PM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 10:43:01 PM

most of the ones who 'turn gay because of molestation' were already gay to begin with

;

do u speak from experience
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 10:51:38 PM
this is all just so unsettling
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 10:43:01 PM

most of the ones who 'turn gay because of molestation' were already gay to begin with
How do you know that? bear in mind, these are children we're referring to

How do we know they were straight before they were molested? bear in mind, these are children we're referring to

people see these very rare cases were someones sexuality 'changes' and all of a sudden want to through all fags in the same boat.....most fags are not in that category
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:56:02 PM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 10:43:01 PM

most of the ones who 'turn gay because of molestation' were already gay to begin with
How do you know that? bear in mind, these are children we're referring to

How do we know they were straight before they were molested? bear in mind, these are children we're referring to

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Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:57:24 PM
but my point is exactly that. CHILDREN are too young to identify themselves on either side of that fence. and are highly impressionable. their mind is still developing. why is such a stretch that someone touching on them could confuse them as to what is "right and wrong" for them sexually?

There's a reason why children are so heavily protected against these things.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 10:58:04 PM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 10:54:41 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 10:43:01 PM

most of the ones who 'turn gay because of molestation' were already gay to begin with
How do you know that? bear in mind, these are children we're referring to

How do we know they were straight before they were molested? bear in mind, these are children we're referring to

people see these very rare cases were someones sexuality 'changes' and all of a sudden want to through all fags in the same boat.....most fags are not in that category
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: iman on September 19, 2015, 11:01:12 PM
is bigdawg ok
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: iman on September 19, 2015, 11:02:57 PM
"African. Balochistani. Native American."

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afro luv :kii:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 11:05:15 PM


im screaming

herb....nigger....i thought it was confirmed that native american was only 2%?
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 11:05:34 PM
Quote from: iman on September 19, 2015, 11:01:12 PM
is bigdawg ok

Yes iman, these topics can be so colorful sometimes
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 11:05:57 PM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 11:05:15 PM


im screaming

herb....nigger....i thought it was confirmed that native american was only 2%?

:plzstop:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 11:06:00 PM
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Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: iman on September 19, 2015, 11:06:23 PM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 11:05:15 PM


im screaming

herb....nigger....i thought it was confirmed that native american was only 2%?

i'm crying
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: iman on September 19, 2015, 11:06:38 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 11:05:34 PM
Quote from: iman on September 19, 2015, 11:01:12 PM
is bigdawg ok

Yes iman, these topics can be so colorful sometimes

Sorry bby.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 11:08:23 PM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 11:05:15 PM


im screaming

herb....nigger....i thought it was confirmed that native american was only 2%?
For an African American, that's very high.
Only 5 percent of us have 2% or above.
and only 19 percent of us even have a full 1%.

I posted about my breakdowns today.
http://brandy.4fans.net/index.php?topic=3399.msg86113#msg86113

there's also links to research and statistics as well.

Didn't want to make another topic about DNA for obvious reasons. lol.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: iman on September 19, 2015, 11:10:54 PM
sdfffffffffffffffffffffff

:usuresis:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Bentley! on September 19, 2015, 11:11:00 PM
Molestation does cause confusion, I think they should look into how it plays into sexual preference. Because it happens more than ppl think.

My molester actually created a false bond, and even tho you feel bad about what's happening, you don't want to let that person down as a kid. Especially if they're in a position of power over you.

But as a young adult, I never really attributed that to my preference, partly because I blocked it out. But who knows
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 11:17:30 PM
Quote from: iman on September 19, 2015, 11:06:38 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 11:05:34 PM
Quote from: iman on September 19, 2015, 11:01:12 PM
is bigdawg ok

Yes iman, these topics can be so colorful sometimes

Sorry bby.

It's all good luv
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 11:19:10 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on September 19, 2015, 11:11:00 PM
Molestation does cause confusion, I think they should look into how it plays into sexual preference. Because it happens more than ppl think.

My molester actually created a false bond, and even tho you feel bad about what's happening, you don't want to let that person down as a kid. Especially if they're in a position of power over you.

But as a young adult, I never really attributed that to my preference, partly because I blocked it out. But who knows
That is a very different way of thinking about it Bent. I never really put it into that perspective.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Bulldagger on September 19, 2015, 11:20:49 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:54:01 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on September 19, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I dont like how they tied in him being raped as a young boy with him being gay, like what does one have to do with the other.

I really HATE that because it makes no sense.
How can a traumatic experience make you want to turn gay.   :diddraispoot:
it can cause someone to question their sexuality. men are easily aroused. so if a woman touches my private part, and i get hard, as an adult i understand its only natural. this does not mean I am bisexual or heterosexual. but as a child, you'd ask "why did i enjoy that a bit?"

if anything, it only supports the truth that being gay is NOT a choice. which is more important than any other theory.

I was molested when I was a kid, non of that peaked my gay interest because I knew what I was at a very young age. One of the biggest myths is that being gay is some perversion derived from impure thoughts amongst men, some of which fantasize about young boys. For people to continue to link molestation, or being raped by a man to being gay is just ridiculous to me.

That stinks. Do you think they targeted you because they believed you were gay?

I personally believe the whole gay = rape = molestation = predator thing is another tactic to make it easier to write gay people off. It's like they did with blacks by vilifying them all over the world by saying they were slaves because they were stupid because of their dark skin when that was never proven. The white man is really the villain. Just think about it.  Straight white men are the biggest contributors of child molestation and rape period, but of course when it done by a gay person just like a black person stealing,  it's magnified when we know these things aren't tied to one race or community of people.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Bentley! on September 19, 2015, 11:24:37 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 11:19:10 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on September 19, 2015, 11:11:00 PM
Molestation does cause confusion, I think they should look into how it plays into sexual preference. Because it happens more than ppl think.

My molester actually created a false bond, and even tho you feel bad about what's happening, you don't want to let that person down as a kid. Especially if they're in a position of power over you.

But as a young adult, I never really attributed that to my preference, partly because I blocked it out. But who knows
That is a very different way of thinking about it Bent. I never really put it into that perspective.
But I tend to agree with you
I don't feel molestation ultimately affects orientation

What about the adverse effect, wouldn't that detour young men from being with other men out of trauma?
And, what about female-male molestation
It would be hard to pin-point which causes would cause which reactions

I personally can say, it happened to me, and liking men's now isn't a result of my molestation.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Kurama on September 19, 2015, 11:28:29 PM
Sexual orientation confusion is a symptom of sexual trauma, primarily in men because women are typically molested by the opposite sex.


I commend you all for sharing these personal/powerful narratives. Be careful with doing this on bsource though. It would be disgusting to have someone throw this in your face because you drag their faves.

Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: iman on September 19, 2015, 11:28:37 PM
Bent and BigDawg, I'm so sorry.
It's scary that so many men have been abused but have kept quiet. More light should be shined on this because I truly believe many men (especially black men) suffer because of their past abuse. It's like a bad thing for them to discuss it for some reasno.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Bentley! on September 19, 2015, 11:29:45 PM
That's another thing to think about too

Are pedophiles, profiling young men that they believe to be gay?

If so that throws the argument out of the window.

It's like ppl that look at a young boy and say, oh he'll be gay. A pedophile probably sees an easy target. It's the harsh reality for a lot of young boys
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 11:30:10 PM
Quote from: Kurama on September 19, 2015, 11:28:29 PM
Sexual orientation confusion is a symptom of sexual trauma, primarily in men because women are typically molested by the opposite sex.

:stressed:

Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 11:31:50 PM
and i wish a faggot would test my bvy's bent or 'awg
:justabit:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Bentley! on September 19, 2015, 11:34:53 PM
sss
I think the main thing that is irritating, is that group of ppl that group molesters in with homosexuality

I mean, a lot of ppl out there will automatically think you like young boys if you say you're homosexual. It's sick to think about.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 11:35:53 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on September 19, 2015, 11:24:37 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 11:19:10 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on September 19, 2015, 11:11:00 PM
Molestation does cause confusion, I think they should look into how it plays into sexual preference. Because it happens more than ppl think.

My molester actually created a false bond, and even tho you feel bad about what's happening, you don't want to let that person down as a kid. Especially if they're in a position of power over you.

But as a young adult, I never really attributed that to my preference, partly because I blocked it out. But who knows
That is a very different way of thinking about it Bent. I never really put it into that perspective.
But I tend to agree with you
I don't feel molestation ultimately affects orientation

What about the adverse effect, wouldn't that detour young men from being with other men out of trauma?
And, what about female-male molestation
It would be hard to pin-point which causes would cause which reactions

I personally can say, it happened to me, and liking men's now isn't a result of my molestation.
I feel the same way.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Bulldagger on September 19, 2015, 11:36:28 PM
Quote from: Kurama on September 19, 2015, 11:28:29 PM
Sexual orientation confusion is a symptom of sexual trauma, primarily in men because women are typically molested by the opposite sex.


I commend you all for sharing these personal/powerful narratives. Be careful with doing this on bsource though. It would be disgusting to have someone throw this in your face because you drag their faves.

That's one thing I dislike about this board it lacks depth. Yeah, it's fun to ki and be silly, but sometimes it seems so hollow and often I feel misplaced. It reminds me a lot of secondary school at times.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 11:37:46 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 11:31:50 PM
and i wish a faggot would test my bvy's bent or 'awg
:justabit:

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Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: MelMel on September 19, 2015, 11:38:14 PM
Quote from: Kurama on September 19, 2015, 11:28:29 PM
Sexual orientation confusion is a symptom of sexual trauma, primarily in men because women are typically molested by the opposite sex.


I commend you all for sharing these personal/powerful narratives. Be careful with doing this on bsource though. It would be disgusting to have someone throw this in your face because you drag their faves.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my bbys :'( :'(
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 11:38:19 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on September 19, 2015, 11:36:28 PM
Quote from: Kurama on September 19, 2015, 11:28:29 PM
Sexual orientation confusion is a symptom of sexual trauma, primarily in men because women are typically molested by the opposite sex.


I commend you all for sharing these personal/powerful narratives. Be careful with doing this on bsource though. It would be disgusting to have someone throw this in your face because you drag their faves.

That's one thing I dislike about this board it lacks depth. Yeah, it's fun to ki and be silly, but sometimes it seems so hollow and often I feel misplaced. It reminds me a lot of secondary school at times.
We do have insightful discussions here and there. I have to admit they are like unicorns, though. :plzstop: But I have learned a lot on here especially during the new black vs. old black wars. :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: It was all serious discussion, with a lighthearted twist.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: iman on September 19, 2015, 11:38:56 PM
Quote from: Kurama on September 19, 2015, 11:28:29 PM
Sexual orientation confusion is a symptom of sexual trauma, primarily in men because women are typically molested by the opposite sex.


I commend you all for sharing these personal/powerful narratives. Be careful with doing this on bsource though. It would be disgusting to have someone throw this in your face because you drag their faves.

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Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Bulldagger on September 19, 2015, 11:40:09 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on September 19, 2015, 11:29:45 PM
That's another thing to think about too

Are pedophiles, profiling young men that they believe to be gay?

If so that throws the argument out of the window.

It's like ppl that look at a young boy and say, oh he'll be gay. A pedophile probably sees an easy target. It's the harsh reality for a lot of young boys

Yeah, that's something I often think about when this question is raised.

My brother was sexually molested but he was much older and he's straight as an arrow as far as I'm concerned. He was molested by this sissy named Devin. Devin blew him in his sleep. And I knew better because I went home instead of staying over that night and I thank God for that because I probably would have murdered him. 

My mom called the police on Devin. It turns out Devin had been sexually molesting his brother and sister. Tragic.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 11:40:44 PM
lil sis :omgwatshappening:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: iman on September 19, 2015, 11:40:45 PM
this thread is sad :stressed:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 11:41:18 PM
i was thinking the same thing when i saw bentleys post...

we all know how ruthless that witch, Talisa is

the moment you remind her ciara cant sing (or dance) she'll just kinda throw it in your face
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: iman on September 19, 2015, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 11:40:44 PM
lil sis :omgwatshappening:

sup my 7% east african brother  :heyddy:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Bentley! on September 19, 2015, 11:42:03 PM
sssssssss
I think sharing certain things on bsource is a no no.
Your ssn, fb page, moms maiden name

But I wish a phagg would come for me with willingly shared information :dead: :kii:

The girls around here have to be stronger, no shade
Once you get to a certain point a chick can't really come for you no matter what ammo they think they have
Cause a lashing will still occur
:letsmessfag:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 11:43:36 PM
Quote from: iman on September 19, 2015, 11:41:36 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 19, 2015, 11:40:44 PM
lil sis :omgwatshappening:

sup my 7% east african brother  :heyddy:
:stressed: :stressed: :stressed: :stressed:

just  layin here being lazy. lolz. :supluv:

luv u :stressed:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Bentley! on September 19, 2015, 11:56:00 PM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 11:41:18 PM
i was thinking the same thing when i saw bentleys post...

we all know how ruthless that witch, Talisa is

the moment you remind her ciara cant sing (or dance) she'll just kinda throw it in your face
sssssssss
No shade but that's what separates me and my good sistren here from the fray of weaker gorls.
There's absolutely no "read" someone could use against us,especially one given by me. It's called being greater than.


And .... Am mean....  I even revealed to the girls I was raped before

By those two muscle Army ROTC dudes and how they lured me into their dormitory late at nite and just used me
I didn't ask for that, but it happened



..... and I survived it
:heyddy:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Gilgamesh. on September 20, 2015, 12:13:52 AM
Quote from: Baphomet. on September 19, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: BigDawg on September 19, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
I dont like how they tied in him being raped as a young boy with him being gay, like what does one have to do with the other.

I really HATE that because it makes no sense.
How can a traumatic experience make you want to turn gay.   :diddraispoot:

!!!
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Jon on September 20, 2015, 12:37:43 AM
Quote from: Bentley! on September 19, 2015, 11:11:00 PM
Molestation does cause confusion, I think they should look into how it plays into sexual preference. Because it happens more than ppl think.

My molester actually created a false bond, and even tho you feel bad about what's happening, you don't want to let that person down as a kid. Especially if they're in a position of power over you.

But as a young adult, I never really attributed that to my preference, partly because I blocked it out. But who knows

I don't think so, that's more PTSD than anything. I knew I was different before but I think abuse does make sex with a man "easier". IDK how to explain it.

Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: RekeRig on September 20, 2015, 01:02:52 AM
I don't think children are too young to identify anything. I don't think we give them enough credit. I knew what I liked since age 5 and maybe before
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 20, 2015, 01:08:55 AM
True, maybe a young boy can identify the fact that he likes girls. But what if someone comes along and challenges his conceptions of sexuality by forcibly exposing him to his first real sexual experience -- one which contradicts what he feels is right for him?
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Rxxf on September 20, 2015, 08:32:31 AM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 10:43:01 PM

most of the ones who 'turn gay because of molestation' were already gay to begin with

I actually believe this.
It was just a coincidence that they happened to get molested by a man.

There's many heterosexual individuals who were molested and are not gay.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Rxxf on September 20, 2015, 08:37:41 AM
For instance, there may have been cases when a young male was molested by a woman...
And still ended up being gay.

There's so many variables to consider.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Rxxf on September 20, 2015, 08:38:11 AM
Quote from: RIG on September 20, 2015, 01:02:52 AM
I don't think children are too young to identify anything. I don't think we give them enough credit. I knew what I liked since age 5 and maybe before
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: RekeRig on September 20, 2015, 08:50:44 AM
Quote from: Herb. on September 20, 2015, 01:08:55 AM
True, maybe a young boy can identify the fact that he likes girls. But what if someone comes along and challenges his conceptions of sexuality by forcibly exposing him to his first real sexual experience -- one which contradicts what he feels is right for him?
you're right. Anything is possible

It's hard for me to imagine because it isn't my experience, but I do know that kids are easy to manipulate and confuse. Sad
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Stunna Gor’ on September 20, 2015, 09:17:48 AM
I watched the show last night with my sis... I enjoyed it n felt that it was pretty genuine. I mean their story is clearly not EVERY fag's story, but it opened questions and deep conversation between me n my sis. I enjoy and can appreciate things like this simply for the purpose of that. My sis said it before I could even get to it.. We often felt like the married pastor was using tears to avoid answering questions and standing in his truth. She said Iyanla should've came RIGHT back n asked the question again. :dead:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: SUPREME on September 20, 2015, 10:19:17 AM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 11:41:18 PM
i was thinking the same thing when i saw bentleys post...

we all know how ruthless that witch, Talisa is

the moment you remind her ciara cant sing (or dance) she'll just kinda throw it in your face
sometimes i wish the worst things on this earth would happen to you

You're a really stupid Faggot. I mean that to its truest form.
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: SUPREME on September 20, 2015, 10:23:03 AM
I've never been molested but i know lots of young girls are molested and theres that stereotype of them becoming whores. I know first hand that's not true so i feel like this is something where there isn't a solid ' answer'
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 20, 2015, 11:29:28 AM
Quote from: SUPREME on September 20, 2015, 10:19:17 AM
Quote from: Stewie on September 19, 2015, 11:41:18 PM
i was thinking the same thing when i saw bentleys post...

we all know how ruthless that witch, Talisa is

the moment you remind her ciara cant sing (or dance) she'll just kinda throw it in your face
sometimes i wish the worst things on this earth would happen to you

You're a really stupid Faggot. I mean that to its truest form.
wtf :omgwatshappening:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Cartierline on September 20, 2015, 12:22:00 PM
Quote from: RIG on September 20, 2015, 01:02:52 AM
I don't think children are too young to identify anything. I don't think we give them enough credit. I knew what I liked since age 5 and maybe before
!!!!


I always knew I was 'different'. It wasn't until I reached my teens that I realised different meant non-heterosexual.  :ohwow:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Stunna Gor’ on September 20, 2015, 12:57:12 PM
Quote from: RIG on September 20, 2015, 01:02:52 AM
I don't think children are too young to identify anything. I don't think we give them enough credit. I knew what I liked since age 5 and maybe before
!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew at about the age of 5 or 6 too tbh. While my friends were forming little bby crushes on the girls, I was crushing on the COACH.

:wellheythere:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 20, 2015, 01:00:23 PM
Quote from: Trey on September 20, 2015, 12:57:12 PM
Quote from: RIG on September 20, 2015, 01:02:52 AM
I don't think children are too young to identify anything. I don't think we give them enough credit. I knew what I liked since age 5 and maybe before
!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew at about the age of 5 or 6 too tbh. While my friends were forming little bby crushes on the girls, I was crushing on the COACH.

:wellheythere:
wtf :omgwatshappening:

u were 5 years old having sexual fantasies about ur coach :mmyulost:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Stunna Gor’ on September 20, 2015, 01:02:56 PM
Quote from: Herb. on September 20, 2015, 01:00:23 PM
Quote from: Trey on September 20, 2015, 12:57:12 PM
Quote from: RIG on September 20, 2015, 01:02:52 AM
I don't think children are too young to identify anything. I don't think we give them enough credit. I knew what I liked since age 5 and maybe before
!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew at about the age of 5 or 6 too tbh. While my friends were forming little bby crushes on the girls, I was crushing on the COACH.

:wellheythere:
wtf :omgwatshappening:

u were 5 years old having sexual fantasies about ur coach :mmyulost:
d

Fag I didnt say anything about sexual fantasies... I said bby CRUSH.

:udontlookok:
Title: Re: Iyanla confronts two gay black pastors
Post by: Herb. on September 20, 2015, 01:10:13 PM
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