QuoteOnce upon a time, Barack Obama dated a white girl. But he didn?t just date her ― he wanted to marry her, and proposed to her, twice, before her disapproving parents reportedly put an end to the relationship.
When details of this story came out last week, some outlets reported it with the thinly-veiled implication that Obama, so beloved for having married an exceptional black woman like Michelle Obama, had some kind of dirty secret. He hadn?t always been Michelle?s ride-or-die.
Indeed, according to the biography Rising Star: The Making of Barack Obama written by David Garrow, Obama let go of his white woman (who was actually a half Dutch and half Japanese woman named Sheila Miyoshi Jagger) for a calculated reason ― he knew that in order to become president one day, to be credibly black, he had to be married to a black woman.
That Obama, the first black president of the United States, allegedly felt that a non-black partner would be a liability to his political career says a lot about the way we view black leaders, activists, public figures and those who they choose to date.
It?s a huge plot point in ?Dear White People,? where black student activist Sam faces scrutiny, shock, and disappointment from her friends when it comes out that her boyfriend is a white guy named Gabe. But does dating a white person really make someone less black? Less down? Less woke?
Comedian, activist and host of MTV?s ?Decoded? series, Franchesca Ramsey, has faced her fair share of scrutiny over her ?wokeness.? She?s made a career out of calling out racism and sexism but also happens to be married to a white man.
?I?m somewhat weary of being called ?woke? because it feels absolute in a way that I don?t think is realistic,? Ramsey told HuffPost.
?My consciousness is a process and that includes my relationship with my husband. His being white doesn?t make me any less black or invested in black issues, the same way him being a man doesn?t make me any less of a feminist.?
The scrutiny is often not just about how socially engaged you are with black issues, either. Sometimes, it?s about blackness, period.
While straight black men definitely get their share of criticism, there?s something especially terrible about the way visible black women like Ramsey, Serena Williams and Halle Berry are scrutinized for their white partners. When news came out in December that Williams was engaged to Reddit founder, Alexis Ohanian.
Yes, there are black people who fetishize their white partners, who use their white partners to put down other black people and cement their own internalized racism, but this is not a rule. There?s something incredibly reductive and hetereonormative about basing a black woman?s worth on what kind of man she chooses to sleep with, as if a woman?s blackness or her dedication to black issues can only validated by a ?black king? (or vice versa).
?I?ve had my blackness challenged because I?m in a relationship with a white man, and it?s hurtful and erasing of the work I do to combat white supremacy,? says Ashley Reese, a black culture and sex writer who has extensively explored the politics of her own interracial relationship.
?There are black people in black romantic relationships who aren?t concerned about domestic violence against black women, who don?t care about the murders of black trans women, who believe gay black people are inferior, who don?t give a damn about any other marginalized black folk,? Reese told HuffPost, adding, ?But we?re going to act like they?re more dedicated to black causes because of their black bedfellows? Give me a break.?
Wokeness is an imaginary construct. It?s a term that, since crossing over to the mainstream, has lost any real meaning. Wokeness has become a barometer with which to judge how socially aware a person it is, but it leaves little room for nuance, and when it comes to human relationships, to romance and love and sex, nuance is everything. After all, one person?s ?woke bae? is another person?s hotep. And thus, who you sleep with seems like a pretty arbitrary way to gauge just how engaged in black issues you really are.
A white partner doesn?t stand in the way of one?s ability to be passionate about black issues. A white partner doesn?t change one?s lived experiences as a black person in the past, present, or future. And no, a white partner doesn?t automatically make you less conscious, less engaged with your own blackness. That?s up to you.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/on-being-black-woke-and-dating-white-people_us_591324fee4b05e1ca203b506
This has been a hot topic on here for a second. What do yall think of the article?
FUCK WHITE PPL
but i agree.. doesn't make her any less "woke" or invested in the march towards uplifting blacks!
love who u want to love
I do think there's a double standard. Black women that date outside their race are scrutinized way more than Black men are.
And while I don't think it makes you less Black, I find it hard to take someone seriously when they spewing this woke mess and have a White person in their guts/on their dick.
Oh lord
I hear someone's piss bottles and ox tails being shoved outta the way tryna get in this thread
Being "Woke" is a phase, yall will get over it soon once it stops bein trendy.
Quote from: AlmondEyes on May 11, 2017, 12:10:52 PM
Being "Woke" is a phase, yall will get over it soon once it stops bein trendy.
Who is "yall" ?
Quote from: AlmondEyes on May 11, 2017, 12:10:52 PM
Being "Woke" is a phase, yall will get over it soon once it stops bein trendy.
oh gorl
Quote from: AlmondEyes on May 11, 2017, 12:10:52 PM
Being "Woke" is a phase, yall will get over it soon once it stops bein trendy.
when r u gonna get over being color struck king?
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME MARSHALL on May 11, 2017, 12:26:30 PM
Quote from: AlmondEyes on May 11, 2017, 12:10:52 PM
Being "Woke" is a phase, yall will get over it soon once it stops bein trendy.
when r u gonna get over being color struck king?
Yeah I'm wondering if that's a phase too tbh
:guys:
Quote"There are black people in black romantic relationships who aren?t concerned about domestic violence against black women, who don?t care about the murders of black trans women, who believe gay black people are inferior, who don?t give a damn about any other marginalized black folk,? Reese told HuffPost, adding, ?But we?re going to act like they?re more dedicated to black causes because of their black bedfellows? Give me a break.?
Preaching 🙏🏼🙌🏼
Quote from: Cartier on May 11, 2017, 12:29:09 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME MARSHALL on May 11, 2017, 12:26:30 PM
Quote from: AlmondEyes on May 11, 2017, 12:10:52 PM
Being "Woke" is a phase, yall will get over it soon once it stops bein trendy.
when r u gonna get over being color struck king?
Yeah I'm wondering if that's a phase too tbh
me three
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on May 11, 2017, 12:03:46 PM
I find it hard to take someone seriously when they spewing this woke mess and have a White person in their guts/on their dick.
That's all the issue has ever been to me. I don't care if someone wants to date outside their race, but when so much of what they represent is about "fighting" much of what comes from that race.....there's a disconnect for me, personally.
Another thing I've recently noticed is that some of them tend to go even harder on white people AFTER they start dating one. It's almost like a guilty conscience/over compensation kinda thing.
Barack is bi-racial so...
but even if he wasn't he can be with whoever he wants
as long as he did his job correctly
Quote from: M?rgi?l?l?. on May 11, 2017, 12:42:37 PM
Quote"There are black people in black romantic relationships who aren?t concerned about domestic violence against black women, who don?t care about the murders of black trans women, who believe gay black people are inferior, who don?t give a damn about any other marginalized black folk,? Reese told HuffPost, adding, ?But we?re going to act like they?re more dedicated to black causes because of their black bedfellows? Give me a break.?
Preaching 🙏🏼🙌🏼
She snapped
Quote from: zambo. on May 11, 2017, 01:02:03 PM
leave 'mond alone
hes a sweet cutie pie :stressed:
and no shade but what he said isn't entirely a lie.
it's trendy to be outraged about everything. and "woke". i've seen the gorls complain about it on here so let's not backtrack sss
u have your Bre's and Yumz who are genuinely woke and concerned and then you have the gorls who like to smell themselves fume
h like who?
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
i was just playing with you
:howfestive: :howfestive:
play with some scissors
PONS!
Quote from: Kurama on May 11, 2017, 11:47:55 AM
QuoteOnce upon a time, Barack Obama dated a white girl. But he didn?t just date her ― he wanted to marry her, and proposed to her, twice, before her disapproving parents reportedly put an end to the relationship.
When details of this story came out last week, some outlets reported it with the thinly-veiled implication that Obama, so beloved for having married an exceptional black woman like Michelle Obama, had some kind of dirty secret. He hadn?t always been Michelle?s ride-or-die.
Indeed, according to the biography Rising Star: The Making of Barack Obama written by David Garrow, Obama let go of his white woman (who was actually a half Dutch and half Japanese woman named Sheila Miyoshi Jagger) for a calculated reason ― he knew that in order to become president one day, to be credibly black, he had to be married to a black woman.
That Obama, the first black president of the United States, allegedly felt that a non-black partner would be a liability to his political career says a lot about the way we view black leaders, activists, public figures and those who they choose to date.
It?s a huge plot point in ?Dear White People,? where black student activist Sam faces scrutiny, shock, and disappointment from her friends when it comes out that her boyfriend is a white guy named Gabe. But does dating a white person really make someone less black? Less down? Less woke?
Comedian, activist and host of MTV?s ?Decoded? series, Franchesca Ramsey, has faced her fair share of scrutiny over her ?wokeness.? She?s made a career out of calling out racism and sexism but also happens to be married to a white man.
?I?m somewhat weary of being called ?woke? because it feels absolute in a way that I don?t think is realistic,? Ramsey told HuffPost.
?My consciousness is a process and that includes my relationship with my husband. His being white doesn?t make me any less black or invested in black issues, the same way him being a man doesn?t make me any less of a feminist.?
The scrutiny is often not just about how socially engaged you are with black issues, either. Sometimes, it?s about blackness, period.
While straight black men definitely get their share of criticism, there?s something especially terrible about the way visible black women like Ramsey, Serena Williams and Halle Berry are scrutinized for their white partners. When news came out in December that Williams was engaged to Reddit founder, Alexis Ohanian.
Yes, there are black people who fetishize their white partners, who use their white partners to put down other black people and cement their own internalized racism, but this is not a rule. There?s something incredibly reductive and hetereonormative about basing a black woman?s worth on what kind of man she chooses to sleep with, as if a woman?s blackness or her dedication to black issues can only validated by a ?black king? (or vice versa).
?I?ve had my blackness challenged because I?m in a relationship with a white man, and it?s hurtful and erasing of the work I do to combat white supremacy,? says Ashley Reese, a black culture and sex writer who has extensively explored the politics of her own interracial relationship.
?There are black people in black romantic relationships who aren?t concerned about domestic violence against black women, who don?t care about the murders of black trans women, who believe gay black people are inferior, who don?t give a damn about any other marginalized black folk,? Reese told HuffPost, adding, ?But we?re going to act like they?re more dedicated to black causes because of their black bedfellows? Give me a break.?
Wokeness is an imaginary construct. It?s a term that, since crossing over to the mainstream, has lost any real meaning. Wokeness has become a barometer with which to judge how socially aware a person it is, but it leaves little room for nuance, and when it comes to human relationships, to romance and love and sex, nuance is everything. After all, one person?s ?woke bae? is another person?s hotep. And thus, who you sleep with seems like a pretty arbitrary way to gauge just how engaged in black issues you really are.
A white partner doesn?t stand in the way of one?s ability to be passionate about black issues. A white partner doesn?t change one?s lived experiences as a black person in the past, present, or future. And no, a white partner doesn?t automatically make you less conscious, less engaged with your own blackness. That?s up to you.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/on-being-black-woke-and-dating-white-people_us_591324fee4b05e1ca203b506
This has been a hot topic on here for a second. What do yall think of the article?
d
ffffffffffffffff wth
Quote from: Real on May 11, 2017, 12:53:20 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on May 11, 2017, 12:03:46 PM
I find it hard to take someone seriously when they spewing this woke mess and have a White person in their guts/on their dick.
That's all the issue has ever been to me. I don't care if someone wants to date outside their race, but when so much of what they represent is about "fighting" much of what comes from that race.....there's a disconnect for me, personally.
Another thing I've recently noticed is that some of them tend to go even harder on white people AFTER they start dating one. It's almost like a guilty conscience/over compensation kinda thing.
Yeah, great point tbh.
I also personally feel weird about folks exalting whiteness in general, beyond dating. Especially when you consider all the internally racist ideals that PoC have about themselves.
Why is being lighter more attractive?
Why are whites seen as more sophisticated? How many times you hear folks say things like " I used my caucasian (woman) voice"
Why are whites seen as more inclusive/understanding?
All these thoughts come to mind when I think of Black folks dating whites, especially if they're aware of all of these things. That being said though the article definitely raised some points to reflect on, for me.
Quote from: zambo. on May 11, 2017, 01:02:03 PM
leave 'mond alone
hes a sweet cutie pie :stressed:
and no shade but what he said isn't entirely a lie.
it's trendy to be outraged about everything. and "woke". i've seen the gorls complain about it on here so let's not backtrack sss
u have your Bre's and Yumz who are genuinely woke and concerned and then you have the gorls who like to smell themselves fume
I really appreciate this Herb. I agree though, being "woke" is becoming or has become pretty trendy. Most folks do seem a bit inauthentic when approaching some of these issues, so I get it. Im lowkey cringing at someone thinking im woke...but I understand lol.
Socially aware sounds more pleasant.
:sistas:
uiyotcritfgyh7u98ji9ko0pl
:guys:
yh
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME MARSHALL on May 11, 2017, 12:26:30 PM
Quote from: AlmondEyes on May 11, 2017, 12:10:52 PM
Being "Woke" is a phase, yall will get over it soon once it stops bein trendy.
when r u gonna get over being color struck king?
ddd When my dark skinned queens finally get the respect they deserve!
I don't see what being woke has to do with who you date.
f
white men jus..r betterer to me
Quote from: Kurama on May 11, 2017, 02:10:45 PM
Quote from: zambo. on May 11, 2017, 01:02:03 PM
leave 'mond alone
hes a sweet cutie pie :stressed:
and no shade but what he said isn't entirely a lie.
it's trendy to be outraged about everything. and "woke". i've seen the gorls complain about it on here so let's not backtrack sss
u have your Bre's and Yumz who are genuinely woke and concerned and then you have the gorls who like to smell themselves fume
I really appreciate this Herb. I agree though, being "woke" is becoming or has become pretty trendy. Most folks do seem a bit inauthentic when approaching some of these issues, so I get it. Im lowkey cringing at someone thinking im woke...but I understand lol.
Socially aware sounds more pleasant.
:sistas:
I agree. And another question it raises for me is if their fighting for racial equality or white acceptance? I think those ideals get misconstrued ALOT.
Like that thread from the other day with the black dude posting those messages from white guys on dating sites.....you wanna spread awareness about bigotry because you're being rejected by someone you want. Not because of flat out injustice.
Wow, you're fuckin on it today shithead.
:gotchafag:
"Woke" is kinda gross now. Being Aware :ohwow:
either way ima still fucks with some white ass/peen on the sides. Let the girls judge away
(http://i.imgur.com/NBhVzbx.gif)
Gladly, trash ass.
dffdfgfd
:guys: i thought you weren't judgmental Kur'
Quote from: AlmondEyes on May 11, 2017, 02:25:06 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME MARSHALL on May 11, 2017, 12:26:30 PM
Quote from: AlmondEyes on May 11, 2017, 12:10:52 PM
Being "Woke" is a phase, yall will get over it soon once it stops bein trendy.
when r u gonna get over being color struck king?
ddd When my dark skinned queens finally get the respect they deserve!
but hun..
As far as I'm concerned, the color of your partner is irrelevant as long as the relationship is rooted in genuine respect and compassion.
And that "woke" title is beyond corny. Most of these gorls girls are just regurgitating James Baldwin quotes to look well read but there isn't much self reflection being done beyond that.
Quote from: Kurama on May 11, 2017, 11:47:55 AM
QuoteOnce upon a time, Barack Obama dated a white girl. But he didn?t just date her ― he wanted to marry her, and proposed to her, twice, before her disapproving parents reportedly put an end to the relationship.
When details of this story came out last week, some outlets reported it with the thinly-veiled implication that Obama, so beloved for having married an exceptional black woman like Michelle Obama, had some kind of dirty secret. He hadn?t always been Michelle?s ride-or-die.
Indeed, according to the biography Rising Star: The Making of Barack Obama written by David Garrow, Obama let go of his white woman (who was actually a half Dutch and half Japanese woman named Sheila Miyoshi Jagger) for a calculated reason ― he knew that in order to become president one day, to be credibly black, he had to be married to a black woman.
That Obama, the first black president of the United States, allegedly felt that a non-black partner would be a liability to his political career says a lot about the way we view black leaders, activists, public figures and those who they choose to date.
It?s a huge plot point in ?Dear White People,? where black student activist Sam faces scrutiny, shock, and disappointment from her friends when it comes out that her boyfriend is a white guy named Gabe. But does dating a white person really make someone less black? Less down? Less woke?
Comedian, activist and host of MTV?s ?Decoded? series, Franchesca Ramsey, has faced her fair share of scrutiny over her ?wokeness.? She?s made a career out of calling out racism and sexism but also happens to be married to a white man.
?I?m somewhat weary of being called ?woke? because it feels absolute in a way that I don?t think is realistic,? Ramsey told HuffPost.
?My consciousness is a process and that includes my relationship with my husband. His being white doesn?t make me any less black or invested in black issues, the same way him being a man doesn?t make me any less of a feminist.?
The scrutiny is often not just about how socially engaged you are with black issues, either. Sometimes, it?s about blackness, period.
While straight black men definitely get their share of criticism, there?s something especially terrible about the way visible black women like Ramsey, Serena Williams and Halle Berry are scrutinized for their white partners. When news came out in December that Williams was engaged to Reddit founder, Alexis Ohanian.
Yes, there are black people who fetishize their white partners, who use their white partners to put down other black people and cement their own internalized racism, but this is not a rule. There?s something incredibly reductive and hetereonormative about basing a black woman?s worth on what kind of man she chooses to sleep with, as if a woman?s blackness or her dedication to black issues can only validated by a ?black king? (or vice versa).
?I?ve had my blackness challenged because I?m in a relationship with a white man, and it?s hurtful and erasing of the work I do to combat white supremacy,? says Ashley Reese, a black culture and sex writer who has extensively explored the politics of her own interracial relationship.
?There are black people in black romantic relationships who aren?t concerned about domestic violence against black women, who don?t care about the murders of black trans women, who believe gay black people are inferior, who don?t give a damn about any other marginalized black folk,? Reese told HuffPost, adding, ?But we?re going to act like they?re more dedicated to black causes because of their black bedfellows? Give me a break.?
Wokeness is an imaginary construct. It?s a term that, since crossing over to the mainstream, has lost any real meaning. Wokeness has become a barometer with which to judge how socially aware a person it is, but it leaves little room for nuance, and when it comes to human relationships, to romance and love and sex, nuance is everything. After all, one person?s ?woke bae? is another person?s hotep. And thus, who you sleep with seems like a pretty arbitrary way to gauge just how engaged in black issues you really are.
A white partner doesn?t stand in the way of one?s ability to be passionate about black issues. A white partner doesn?t change one?s lived experiences as a black person in the past, present, or future. And no, a white partner doesn?t automatically make you less conscious, less engaged with your own blackness. That?s up to you.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/on-being-black-woke-and-dating-white-people_us_591324fee4b05e1ca203b506
This has been a hot topic on here for a second. What do yall think of the article?
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Quote?There are black people in black romantic relationships who aren?t concerned about domestic violence against black women, who don?t care about the murders of black trans women, who believe gay black people are inferior, who don?t give a damn about any other marginalized black folk,? Reese told HuffPost, adding, ?But we?re going to act like they?re more dedicated to black causes because of their black bedfellows? Give me a break.?
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