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Title: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 10:46:23 PM
We always discuss what a flop is, but I feel a lot of us are stuck in the 2000's when albums were actually selling.  Now, SPS (streaming plus sales) is the new standard of sales.  Actual album sales are pretty much dead. 

I was looking at some sales data from major releases that came out late 2016 through today in 2017.

0 albums sold over 1 million
4 albums sold over 500,000


So, what determines a flop now?  Is it any release that doesn't get a certification?

What is a flop first week SPS wise?  And what is a flop album in total SPS?

Do you have to at least reach 500k SPS? 


Top Tier

Kendrick Lamar - DAMN. First Week: 603,000 SPS / 353,000 pure sales (TOTAL: 2.3 million SPS / 820,000 pure sales)
Ed Sheeran - DIVIDE. First Week: 451,000 SPS / 322,000 pure sales (TOTAL: 1.9 million SPS / 856,000 pure sales)
Drake - MORE LIFE. First Week: 505,000 SPS / 226,000 pure sales (TOTAL:  1.9 million SPS / 360,000 pure sales)
Bruno Mars - 24KMAGIC. First Week: 231,000 SPS / 191,000 pure sales (TOTAL: 1.089 million SPS / 598,000 pure sales)
The Weeknd - STARBOY. First Week: 348,000 SPS / 249,000 pure sales(TOTAL: 1.2 million SPS / 621,000 pure sales)
Jay-Z - 4:44. First Week: 262,000 SPS / 174,000 pure sales (TOTAL: 558,000 SPS / 344,000 pure sales)


Rap

Migos - CULTURE First Week: 131,000 SPS / 44,000 pure sales (TOTAL: 1.2 million SPS / 121,000 pure sales)
Future - FUTURE First Week: 140,000 SPS / 60,000 pure sales (TOTAL: 910,000 SPS / 123,000 pure sales)
             HNDRXX First Week: (TOTAL: 540,000 SPS / 77,000 pure sales)
Big Sean - I DECIDED First Week: 151,000 SPS / 65,000 pure sales (TOTAL: 730,000 SPS / 148,000 pure sales)
DJ Khaled - GRATEFUL First Week: 149.000 SPS / 50,000 pure sales (TOTAL: 540,000 SPS / 105,000 pure sales)

R&B

Khalid -First Week: 37,000 SPS, 12,000 pure sales (TOTAL: 759,000 SPS / 92,000 pure sales)
SZA - First Week: 60,000 SPS, 25,000 pure sales (TOTAL: 466,000 SPS / 87,000 pure sales)
Alicia Keys - First Week: 50,000 SPS / 42,000 pure sales (TOTAL: ???,??? SPS / 138,000 pure sales)
John Legend - First Week: 38,000 SPS / 26,000 pure sales (TOTAL: 180,000 SPS / 100,000 pure sales)
Tamar Braxton - First Week: 20,000 SPS / 18,000 pure sales
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: FAMÈ on October 11, 2017, 10:47:33 PM
Alicia Keys - First Week: 50,000 SPS / 42,000 pure sales (TOTAL: ???,??? SPS / 138,000 pure sales)


I'm shivering
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: FAME. on October 11, 2017, 10:47:33 PM
Alicia Keys - First Week: 50,000 SPS / 42,000 pure sales (TOTAL: ???,??? SPS / 138,000 pure sales)


I'm shivering

OMG!   :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii:

To think each one of her albums cleared 3 million easily.  Now, she can't even sell 200k.  :plzstop:
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: FAMÈ on October 11, 2017, 10:49:58 PM
Quote from: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: FAME. on October 11, 2017, 10:47:33 PM
Alicia Keys - First Week: 50,000 SPS / 42,000 pure sales (TOTAL: ???,??? SPS / 138,000 pure sales)


I'm shivering

OMG!   :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii:

To think each one of her albums cleared 3 million easily.  Now, she can't even sell 200k.  :plzstop:
gggggggggggggggjkkllllknnnn

And she still thinks she's some HUGE seller  :plzstop: girl your music sucks now
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 10:50:56 PM
Quote from: FAME. on October 11, 2017, 10:49:58 PM
Quote from: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: FAME. on October 11, 2017, 10:47:33 PM
Alicia Keys - First Week: 50,000 SPS / 42,000 pure sales (TOTAL: ???,??? SPS / 138,000 pure sales)


I'm shivering

OMG!   :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii:

To think each one of her albums cleared 3 million easily.  Now, she can't even sell 200k.  :plzstop:
gggggggggggggggjkkllllknnnn

And she still thinks she's some HUGE seller  :plzstop: girl your music sucks now

NNNNVBBbvbbvbBBBB

So, what do you consider a flop?  Like, what is the new bar of measure?

I can never really figure it out anymore. :stressed:
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: FAMÈ on October 11, 2017, 10:55:39 PM
To me, If you can't get 100k SPS+ and you have a HIT single, it's a flop. Singles basically are everything now.
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: BAPHOMET. on October 11, 2017, 10:58:33 PM
yea....If you can't even get 500k SPS you pretty much flopped.

I can't believe there is only ONE honky on this entire list

not even in the lower level
(https://i.imgur.com/sbsAZPU.png)
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: Killaxmt on October 11, 2017, 10:58:54 PM
For Tamar to do 18k pure albums that's not bad for a independent artist!
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 10:59:16 PM
Quote from: FAME. on October 11, 2017, 10:55:39 PM
To me, If you can't get 100k SPS+ and you have a HIT single, it's a flop. Singles basically are everything now.

I kinda like that.  So, what about an R&B mess?

Can we even call them flops anymore?  It's almost like they just sell whatever they sell.

It's so confusing!

That's why I almost feel the real bar of measure is getting that cert in your hands now.  Because it at least gives you something to show for your album/era.
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 11:00:18 PM
Quote from: Killaxmt on October 11, 2017, 10:58:54 PM
For Tamar to do 18k pure albums that's not bad for a independent artist!

See, this is what I"m talking about.

So, does Tamar get a pass if she ends up only ever selling 100k SPS when it's all said and done?

I feel like it's definitely a flop, but I understand how some see it as a bOOK!
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 11:02:36 PM
Quote from: Baph al Mana. on October 11, 2017, 10:58:33 PM
yea....If you can't even get 500k SPS you pretty much flopped.

I can't believe there is only ONE honky on this entire list

not even in the lower level
(https://i.imgur.com/sbsAZPU.png)

Well, I didn't include any Pop or Rock acts.  And I think I skipped Post Malone's last albums.  Tried to just include stuff we care about.

I am literally SHAKING at how low sales are.  How has Kendrick not even sold 1 million? :omf:

That's why I feel like we have to change what we consider a flop.  We're all stuck in a mindset form 10 years ago. 

Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 11:04:33 PM
So, if an R&B artist like Ciara drops and she gets a Top 20 hit out of her first single..... let's say #11-#13.

The album opens with 50k-75k SPS and goes on to sell 500k SPS (she gets a Gold plaque) with 200,000 pure sales, is that a flop?

Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: Rxxf on October 11, 2017, 11:11:50 PM
Quote from: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: FAME. on October 11, 2017, 10:47:33 PM
Alicia Keys - First Week: 50,000 SPS / 42,000 pure sales (TOTAL: ???,??? SPS / 138,000 pure sales)


I'm shivering

OMG!   :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii:

To think each one of her albums cleared 3 million easily.  Now, she can't even sell 200k.  :plzstop:

It's terrible.
I have a friend who is a fan of Keys.
She did not buy her album because she said she has Apple Music and could listen to it there.  Well, she did not like the latest album that much -- and she rarely plays it, if at all.  So Keys missed out on not only a PURE SALE, but also STREAMS from my friend.  I'm sure there's more like her who did the same.
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: FAMÈ on October 11, 2017, 11:13:29 PM
Quote from: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 11:04:33 PM
So, if an R&B artist like Ciara drops and she gets a Top 20 hit out of her first single..... let's say #11-#13.

The album opens with 50k-75k SPS and goes on to sell 500k SPS (she gets a Gold plaque) with 200,000 pure sales, is that a flop?
For Ciara, that's a comeback
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: Drogon on October 11, 2017, 11:18:45 PM
Depends on budget spent on album and what the label was able to recoup.

There is no magic number
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: Vonc2002 on October 11, 2017, 11:24:43 PM
I saw big Sean's numbers and shivered
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: Lazarus on October 11, 2017, 11:44:10 PM
In Alicia's case, Here is her only flop studio album to date and deserves to because it was terrible.
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: Sovereign. on October 11, 2017, 11:46:52 PM
That's a damn good question. And Tamar's album performed decently considering she released indie and lack of radio presence. Get that coin!
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: fedswatchin on October 11, 2017, 11:53:33 PM
What is a flop first week SPS wise?  And what is a flop album in total SPS?

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This made me scream
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: Cowgirl on October 11, 2017, 11:56:11 PM
Quote from: FAME. on October 11, 2017, 11:13:29 PM
Quote from: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 11:04:33 PM
So, if an R&B artist like Ciara drops and she gets a Top 20 hit out of her first single..... let's say #11-#13.

The album opens with 50k-75k SPS and goes on to sell 500k SPS (she gets a Gold plaque) with 200,000 pure sales, is that a flop?
For Ciara, that's a comeback
I?m done.
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: Vonc2002 on October 11, 2017, 11:56:54 PM
Quote from: BowDown on October 11, 2017, 11:56:11 PM
Quote from: FAME. on October 11, 2017, 11:13:29 PM
Quote from: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 11:04:33 PM
So, if an R&B artist like Ciara drops and she gets a Top 20 hit out of her first single..... let's say #11-#13.

The album opens with 50k-75k SPS and goes on to sell 500k SPS (she gets a Gold plaque) with 200,000 pure sales, is that a flop?
For Ciara, that's a comeback
I?m done.
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: GRAND on October 11, 2017, 11:57:24 PM
Quote from: Killaxmt on October 11, 2017, 10:58:54 PM
For Tamar to do 18k pure albums that's not bad for a independent artist!
xnxnxnxnx

You girls say that every year

Will 1k be "not bad" as well?
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: Cowgirl on October 12, 2017, 12:00:18 AM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on October 11, 2017, 11:57:24 PM
Quote from: Killaxmt on October 11, 2017, 10:58:54 PM
For Tamar to do 18k pure albums that's not bad for a independent artist!
xnxnxnxnx

You girls say that every year

Will 1k be "not bad" as well?
dnnfffff
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: XXX. on October 12, 2017, 12:03:18 AM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on October 11, 2017, 11:24:43 PM
I saw big Sean's numbers and shivered

NNNNNNVBBbbnnnnnBBBBB

:guys:
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: XXX. on October 12, 2017, 12:08:07 AM
Quote from: FAME. on October 11, 2017, 11:13:29 PM
Quote from: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 11:04:33 PM
So, if an R&B artist like Ciara drops and she gets a Top 20 hit out of her first single..... let's say #11-#13.

The album opens with 50k-75k SPS and goes on to sell 500k SPS (she gets a Gold plaque) with 200,000 pure sales, is that a flop?
For Ciara, that's a comeback

UGH!

See, I don't get it anymore.  :-(

I mean, there are unanimous flops like Fifth Harmony's last project, though.  I don't even think they reached 100k SPS.  :omf:

But some projects the lines are blurry now.

Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: XXX. on October 12, 2017, 12:09:12 AM
Quote from: ???? on October 11, 2017, 11:11:50 PM
Quote from: XXX. on October 11, 2017, 10:48:10 PM
Quote from: FAME. on October 11, 2017, 10:47:33 PM
Alicia Keys - First Week: 50,000 SPS / 42,000 pure sales (TOTAL: ???,??? SPS / 138,000 pure sales)


I'm shivering

OMG!   :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii:

To think each one of her albums cleared 3 million easily.  Now, she can't even sell 200k.  :plzstop:

It's terrible.
I have a friend who is a fan of Keys.
She did not buy her album because she said she has Apple Music and could listen to it there.  Well, she did not like the latest album that much -- and she rarely plays it, if at all.  So Keys missed out on not only a PURE SALE, but also STREAMS from my friend.  I'm sure there's more like her who did the same.

Well, if your friend listened to it on Apple Music, then the streams contributed.
Title: Re: Let's settle this.... What is a FLOP in 2017?
Post by: XXX. on October 12, 2017, 12:09:30 AM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on October 11, 2017, 11:57:24 PM
Quote from: Killaxmt on October 11, 2017, 10:58:54 PM
For Tamar to do 18k pure albums that's not bad for a independent artist!
xnxnxnxnx

You girls say that every year

Will 1k be "not bad" as well?

:kii: