QuoteReport Alleges That Tidal Is Almost Out of Money
Tidal reportedly lost roughly $44 million in 2016.
The hefty loss estimates arrive view a new Verge-spotted report from Norway's Dagens N?ringsliv, the same business-centric newspaper that earlier this year alleged that Tidal had been exaggerating its subscriber stats. The new report also claims the streaming service, which was acquired by Jay Z back in 2015 and secured a Sprint stake this January, has about six months of capital remaining.
Of course, other streaming services reported losses during 2016. Spotify, for example, lost an estimated $581 million last year against revenue of $3 billion. Prior to this year's Sprint deal announcement, Tidal claimed to have surpassed 3 million paid subscribers. Of those users, Tidal said at the time, 45 percent had selected the lossless $19.99 per month plan. Dagens N?ringsliv later disputed these figures.
"We have experienced negative stories about Tidal since its inception and we have done nothing but grow the business each year," a Tidal spokesperson told Verge Tuesday. Tidal is reportedly still expecting to achieve profitability by the middle of next year.
In August, Tidal bagged its fourth CEO in just over two years. Former Kobalt Music Group boss and Sony Music global marketing prez Richard Sanders took over for Jeff Toig, whose exit was announced in March. Toig, a former SoundCloud exec, had been CEO since January 2016.
Jay's Grammy-nominated album 4:44 launched as a Tidal x Sprint exclusive in June, the latest in a series of exclusives for the platform that's previously given similar rollouts to Kanye West's The Life of Pablo and Beyonc?'s Lemonade.
http://www.complex.com/music/2017/12/report-tidal-almost-out-of-money
QuoteA new report from Norway?s Dagens N?ringsliv claims that Tidal is running out of money while user growth has stalled. The report suggests that Tidal may only have around six months of working capital left.
In a statement to The Verge, a Tidal spokesperson said, ?We have experienced negative stories about Tidal since its inception and we have done nothing but grow the business each year.?
Tidal reportedly lost NOK$368 million (around $44 million) before taxes last year, according to DN. Still, for comparison, Spotify?s 2016 losses were around $581 million, though revenue was around $3 billion.
At the start of this year, Sprint purchased a 33 percent stake in Tidal. At the time, Jay Z?s business partner and Roc Nation Sports president Juan Perez reportedly said that the Sprint investment gave Tidal ?sufficient working capital for the next 12-18 months,? according to DN. Tidal reportedly claims it will break even soon and then achieve profitability in mid-2018.
Tidal has not given any public subscriber updates in the months since the Sprint investment. Earlier this year, Dagens N?ringsliv also reported that Tidal had been inflating subscriber numbers. Tidal claimed in 2016 that it had 3 million subscribers, but DN found that the number was closer to 1 million. In 2016, Jay Z said that the company he bought Tidal from had also been inflating numbers.
Meanwhile, Spotify announced this summer that it had more than 60 million subscribers, while Apple Music has more than 30 million.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/12/16768650/tidal-money-problems-sprint-investment
Well, maybe this will help Fleaonce put her albums on Spotify and Apple Music so they can sell more streaming wise. Lets be honest Tidal was keeping her from being laughed at because we know Rihanna will still own her even if her music was on every platform.
:kii: :kii: :plzstop: :plzstop:
The way Tidal is about to skyrocket into something amazing has me shook
wow. hope this true.
Is this why he looks 60 and like a homeless person these days?
KI.
We don't know if it's true, but I'm sure he's begging Beyonce to drop an album soon. Wouldn't even be surprised if the joint drops.
Bey sis. If you don't let this shit die and stop playing captain-save-a-ho.
Just in time..
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Quote from: Nine on December 13, 2017, 05:08:05 PM
Bey sis. If you don't let this shit die and stop playing captain-save-a-ho.
Tidal is the future bby luv
Quote from: Baph al Mana. on December 13, 2017, 05:08:40 PM
Just in time..
(http://i46.tinypic.com/1zxqsn6.jpg)
What a YEAR!
(http://i46.tinypic.com/1zxqsn6.jpg)
This is why they took a loan for their mortgage. lol. How is Jay Z going to educate me about business when he's a failed business man that is solely still relevant because of his wife, whose popularity is dying?
If you look at the amount of subscribers to money they?re kinda slaying Spotify and them
This growing company >>>
Quote from: Young on December 13, 2017, 05:05:45 PM
The way Tidal is about to skyrocket into something amazing has me shook
fgghhhhhhhjj the things you Stan for be going THROUGH
oh looka here! another thread bull'shit is in discussing bey. glorious.
Isn?t it like 26 dollars a month? Imagine a certain demographic like college students paying that :kii: fucking please
Quote from: Young on December 13, 2017, 05:08:57 PM
Quote from: Nine on December 13, 2017, 05:08:05 PM
Bey sis. If you don't let this shit die and stop playing captain-save-a-ho.
Tidal is the future bby luv
n
Quote from: 1RIG on December 13, 2017, 05:12:45 PM
Isn?t it like 26 dollars a month? Imagine a certain demographic like college students paying that :kii: fucking please
ummm no. lol
Quote from: 1RIG on December 13, 2017, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: Young on December 13, 2017, 05:05:45 PM
The way Tidal is about to skyrocket into something amazing has me shook
fgghhhhhhhjj the things you Stan for be going THROUGH
Sbdbdbdbddbbddbdbfbfbffbfbfffffff I hate u
This curse over everything I see and touch :dead:
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:10:57 PM
This is why they took a loan for their mortgage. lol. How is Jay Z going to educate me about business when he's a failed business man that is solely still relevant because of his wife, whose popularity is dying?
Do you know anything about finances?
Just because you're rich, it's not smart to always purchase everything flat out. That's money management rule #1.
Learn something.
(https://i.imgur.com/7hh73FI.jpg)
https://billionorbust.co/52-million-mortgage-might-smart-move-jay-bey/
QuoteI work with lots of ultra high net worth individuals (in finance) and I can promise you? Promise you they aren?t paying anywhere near 4% on that mortgage. Due to what i?m sure is a very complex investment relationship with their bank they?re probably getting the mortgage at 2 1/2%. MAX. It?s good business to leave that money in the market and I?m sure the bank is appreciative as well.
I love seeing people start from the bottom and make such successes of themselves.
http://variety.com/2017/dirt/real-estalker/jay-z-beyonce-bel-air-compound-1202538487/#article-comments
Basically, you don't know shit!
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:19:21 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:10:57 PM
This is why they took a loan for their mortgage. lol. How is Jay Z going to educate me about business when he's a failed business man that is solely still relevant because of his wife, whose popularity is dying?
Do you know anything about finances?
Just because you're rich, it's not smart to always purchase everything flat out. That's money management rule #1.
Learn something.
(https://i.imgur.com/7hh73FI.jpg)
https://billionorbust.co/52-million-mortgage-might-smart-move-jay-bey/
QuoteI work with lots of ultra high net worth individuals (in finance) and I can promise you? Promise you they aren?t paying anywhere near 4% on that mortgage. Due to what i?m sure is a very complex investment relationship with their bank they?re probably getting the mortgage at 2 1/2%. MAX. It?s good business to leave that money in the market and I?m sure the bank is appreciative as well.
I love seeing people start from the bottom and make such successes of themselves.
http://variety.com/2017/dirt/real-estalker/jay-z-beyonce-bel-air-compound-1202538487/#article-comments
Basically, you don't know shit!
Nsbdbddbdbfbfbc
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Took out loans!
As if that means anything other then they have amazing credit. :dead:
What is this now? 4 threads Bull is being dragged in?
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Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:19:21 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:10:57 PM
This is why they took a loan for their mortgage. lol. How is Jay Z going to educate me about business when he's a failed business man that is solely still relevant because of his wife, whose popularity is dying?
Do you know anything about finances?
Just because you're rich, it's not smart to always purchase everything flat out. That's money management rule #1.
Learn something.
(https://i.imgur.com/7hh73FI.jpg)
https://billionorbust.co/52-million-mortgage-might-smart-move-jay-bey/
QuoteI work with lots of ultra high net worth individuals (in finance) and I can promise you? Promise you they aren?t paying anywhere near 4% on that mortgage. Due to what i?m sure is a very complex investment relationship with their bank they?re probably getting the mortgage at 2 1/2%. MAX. It?s good business to leave that money in the market and I?m sure the bank is appreciative as well.
I love seeing people start from the bottom and make such successes of themselves.
http://variety.com/2017/dirt/real-estalker/jay-z-beyonce-bel-air-compound-1202538487/#article-comments
Basically, you don't know shit!
TIDAL was a bad investment. Period. They've had 4 CEO changes in like 2 years. Apple and Spotify have been doing shit behind the scenes to make SURE Jay can't have a seat at the table. He's alluded to this on 4:44 AND in his Rap Radar interview over the summer.
He thought he could come in swinging with that awful rollout making it seem like rich and A-List celebs needed more money (which he has now admitted was a horrible idea), and this whole thing has just really blown up in his face. Especially the "exclusive" war he started with certain artists not giving their music to this or that streaming service.
He has done a great job by slowly getting out of it, though. SPRINT has purchased 33% of the company. And Mercedes will have TIDAL in all of its vehicles starting 2018 as a free streaming service for the driver.
So, he's not stupid by any means. Every investment isn't going to turn a huge profit. It's a gamble. That's business.
Quote from: Nine on December 13, 2017, 05:23:42 PM
What is this now? 4 threads Bull is being dragged in?
(https://i.imgur.com/J4GgbaR.gif)
litterally from thread to thread. will it ever end?
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:06:36 PM
Is this why he looks 60 and like a homeless person these days?
KI.
We don't know if it's true, but I'm sure he's begging Beyonce to drop an album soon. Wouldn't even be surprised if the joint drops.
I thought Jay sold his portion of the company.
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:19:21 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:10:57 PM
This is why they took a loan for their mortgage. lol. How is Jay Z going to educate me about business when he's a failed business man that is solely still relevant because of his wife, whose popularity is dying?
Do you know anything about finances?
Just because you're rich, it's not smart to always purchase everything flat out. That's money management rule #1.
Learn something.
(https://i.imgur.com/7hh73FI.jpg)
https://billionorbust.co/52-million-mortgage-might-smart-move-jay-bey/
QuoteI work with lots of ultra high net worth individuals (in finance) and I can promise you? Promise you they aren?t paying anywhere near 4% on that mortgage. Due to what i?m sure is a very complex investment relationship with their bank they?re probably getting the mortgage at 2 1/2%. MAX. It?s good business to leave that money in the market and I?m sure the bank is appreciative as well.
I love seeing people start from the bottom and make such successes of themselves.
http://variety.com/2017/dirt/real-estalker/jay-z-beyonce-bel-air-compound-1202538487/#article-comments
Basically, you don't know shit!
They don't have the money....
why take out a loan for things you can clearly afford? Do they plan to default at some point? Sounds like they're living above their means...
Why are they just now buying a house anyway? posers....
Excited for the future of Tidal
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:09:43 PM
Quote from: Baph al Mana. on December 13, 2017, 05:08:40 PM
Just in time..
(http://i46.tinypic.com/1zxqsn6.jpg)
What a YEAR!
(http://i46.tinypic.com/1zxqsn6.jpg)
2018 is shaping up to be pretty fucking MAGICAL
no more TIDAL exclusives
(http://i46.tinypic.com/1zxqsn6.jpg)
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:27:13 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:19:21 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:10:57 PM
This is why they took a loan for their mortgage. lol. How is Jay Z going to educate me about business when he's a failed business man that is solely still relevant because of his wife, whose popularity is dying?
Do you know anything about finances?
Just because you're rich, it's not smart to always purchase everything flat out. That's money management rule #1.
Learn something.
(https://i.imgur.com/7hh73FI.jpg)
https://billionorbust.co/52-million-mortgage-might-smart-move-jay-bey/
QuoteI work with lots of ultra high net worth individuals (in finance) and I can promise you? Promise you they aren?t paying anywhere near 4% on that mortgage. Due to what i?m sure is a very complex investment relationship with their bank they?re probably getting the mortgage at 2 1/2%. MAX. It?s good business to leave that money in the market and I?m sure the bank is appreciative as well.
I love seeing people start from the bottom and make such successes of themselves.
http://variety.com/2017/dirt/real-estalker/jay-z-beyonce-bel-air-compound-1202538487/#article-comments
Basically, you don't know shit!
They don't have the money....
why take out a loan for things you can clearly afford? Do they plan to default at some point? Sounds like they're living above their means...
You asking this proves you don't know shit about finances. Stick to Billboard.
Buying flat out vs. leasing/mortgaging is all about the investment. A rich person is more likely to lease a car or pay a mortgage on something that will depreciate in value. But if Jay-Z buys some 1985 Rolls Royce, he is likely to purchase that flat out. Why? Because it will increase in value as the years go by. Like a Picasso or a DaVinci. Rich people are usually only buying anything straight out (if they're smart) if the value is expected to increase over the years. That is called an investment. You following?
Being rich and having real wealth is all about taking a route that will make you the most money.
Also, rich people usually tend to have amazing credit. So, guess what? Any lease or mortgage they are getting will be at the lowest possible interest rate. Therefore, it is a benefit to just make payments as opposed to have all your cash tied up in some property that will probably depreciate in value, and you might not even be staying there forever.
QuoteIn their home countries (including the U.S.), the wealthy rarely ever pay for the homes in full, particularly in a low interest rate environment. As of September, 2016, the 30-year fixed rate mortgage stands at 3.58%. Those with good credit and significant assets can often negotiate for an even lower rate. Taking on a mortgage frees up the cash that can be invested, though usually in their own businesses, not the stock market. As long as the investment returns covers the mortgage (i.e. earning a positive spread), taking out the mortgage is a good financial decision.
You talk a lot of shit without being able to back it up.
Just shutup.
Quote from: Young on December 13, 2017, 05:29:10 PM
Excited for the future of Tidal
yeah me too... Chapter 11
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:36:25 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:27:13 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:19:21 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:10:57 PM
This is why they took a loan for their mortgage. lol. How is Jay Z going to educate me about business when he's a failed business man that is solely still relevant because of his wife, whose popularity is dying?
Do you know anything about finances?
Just because you're rich, it's not smart to always purchase everything flat out. That's money management rule #1.
Learn something.
(https://i.imgur.com/7hh73FI.jpg)
https://billionorbust.co/52-million-mortgage-might-smart-move-jay-bey/
QuoteI work with lots of ultra high net worth individuals (in finance) and I can promise you? Promise you they aren?t paying anywhere near 4% on that mortgage. Due to what i?m sure is a very complex investment relationship with their bank they?re probably getting the mortgage at 2 1/2%. MAX. It?s good business to leave that money in the market and I?m sure the bank is appreciative as well.
I love seeing people start from the bottom and make such successes of themselves.
http://variety.com/2017/dirt/real-estalker/jay-z-beyonce-bel-air-compound-1202538487/#article-comments
Basically, you don't know shit!
They don't have the money....
why take out a loan for things you can clearly afford? Do they plan to default at some point? Sounds like they're living above their means...
You asking this proves you don't know shit about finances. Stick to Billboard.
Buying flat out vs. leasing/mortgaging is all about the investment. A rich person is more likely to lease a car or pay a mortgage on something that will depreciate in value. But if Jay-Z buys some 1985 Rolls Royce, he is likely to purchase that flat out. Why? Because it will increase in value as the years go by. Like a Picasso or a DaVinci. Rich people are usually only buying anything straight out (if they're smart) if the value is expected to increase over the years. That is called an investment. You following?
Being rich and having real wealth is all about taking a route that will make you the most money.
Also, rich people usually tend to have amazing credit. So, guess what? Any lease or mortgage they are getting will be at the lowest possible interest rate. Therefore, it is a benefit to just make payments as opposed to have all your cash tied up in some property that will probably depreciate in value, and you might not even be staying there forever.
QuoteIn their home countries (including the U.S.), the wealthy rarely ever pay for the homes in full, particularly in a low interest rate environment. As of September, 2016, the 30-year fixed rate mortgage stands at 3.58%. Those with good credit and significant assets can often negotiate for an even lower rate. Taking on a mortgage frees up the cash that can be invested, though usually in their own businesses, not the stock market. As long as the investment returns covers the mortgage (i.e. earning a positive spread), taking out the mortgage is a good financial decision.
You talk a lot of shit without being able to back it up.
Just shutup.
You clearly don't have money hoe. Just keep believing FORBES and all those other publications that lie for your favs to keep themselves relevant.
Didn't Jay Z sign a multimillion dollar deal to tour until he's like 70? WHy would a person who is cash rich do that?! That sounds like a person who is cash poor. Why would anybody in their right mind be AARP age still touring and wearing their bodies down? Hell Bill Gates don't even run Microsoft like that no more and he's still making money. Now that's wealthy your faves are just rich with a lifestyle that is above their means.
YEAH.
You got LASHED!
Come more prepared next time.
He just proved he lives in his mom's basement.
not all the beys taking a whack at this aided shit turd and passing the whip to the next bey for a go.
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
He just proved he lives in his mom's basement.
MORTGAGE! WORTH A BILLION! This faggot is clueless.
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:41:53 PM
YEAH.
You got LASHED!
Come more prepared next time.
Can you fags please get a new tactic to make yourselves feel better. "He was lashed", "He was dragged", "You owned him girl." Bitch, I'm laughing at you hoes.
Even Beyonce admitted she tours to make money because she doesn't trust her own label.... Beyonce and Oprah, they don't have it like that love. The white man is only going to let niggas go so far and then will quickly remind you that you still don't have enough money to sit at the table. :plzstop:
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
He just proved he lives in his mom's basement.
MORTGAGE! WORTH A BILLION!
This faggot is clueless.
Cash poor!
This DUMMY :omf:
meanwhile he's asking why they are just buying a house and they've been buying each other whole ass islands... I just..
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
He just proved he lives in his mom's basement.
MORTGAGE! WORTH A BILLION!
This faggot is clueless.
Cash poor!
This DUMMY
:omf:
They are cash poor. Most of their money is IOU money. More money is going out than coming in.
Quote from: AJ on December 13, 2017, 05:48:52 PM
meanwhile he's asking why they are just buying a house and they've been buying each other whole ass islands... I just..
1 million dollar islands? LMAO. I can buy a cheap ass island. That's not expensive. Tyler Perry has an island too and he's no billionaire.
You guys should read the article Vanity Fair did on Johnny Deep this year and how he owns island and boats and shit... well did... and the niggas is in so much debt and his nearly cash poor.
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:48:53 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
He just proved he lives in his mom's basement.
MORTGAGE! WORTH A BILLION!
This faggot is clueless.
Cash poor!
This DUMMY
:omf:
They are cash poor. Most of their money is IOU money. More money is going out than coming in.
They're this! They're That!
FAG you don't know what they are because you're not their financial advisor.
Anybody with decent credit knows you don't buy a house in one payment. It's not a TV or PS4. Idiot
:omf:
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:41:53 PM
YEAH.
You got LASHED!
Come more prepared next time.
Can you fags please get a new tactic to make yourselves feel better. "He was lashed", "He was dragged", "You owned him girl." Bitch, I'm laughing at you hoes.
Even Beyonce admitted she tours to make money because she doesn't trust her own label.... Beyonce and Oprah, they don't have it like that love. The white man is only going to let niggas go so far and then will quickly remind you that you still don't have enough money to sit at the table. :plzstop:
You came in here foaming at the mouth about mortgages being proof that someone is broke. When I dismantled that and kicked you the knowledge your slow inbred remedial ass was missing, you're scrambling and hopping to the next topic.
Oprah! Forbes! LMFAO!You know so much about finances yet needed to be educated on the difference between liquidity and profitability.
Fag, IDC anymore.
You've exposed your low IQ. And that's where it ends.
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
He just proved he lives in his mom's basement.
MORTGAGE! WORTH A BILLION!
This faggot is clueless.
Cash poor!
This DUMMY
:omf:
NDNNFNNFNbbfbfbbFBfffdddDDDddd
Is he white?
Quote from: 1RIG on December 13, 2017, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: Young on December 13, 2017, 05:05:45 PM
The way Tidal is about to skyrocket into something amazing has me shook
fgghhhhhhhjj the things you Stan for be going THROUGH
vvvgvvvvvgvvvvvvgggv
Boats! Johnny Deep! Tyler! Boats!
All this SCRAMBLING
:kii:
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:53:12 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:48:53 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
He just proved he lives in his mom's basement.
MORTGAGE! WORTH A BILLION!
This faggot is clueless.
Cash poor!
This DUMMY
:omf:
They are cash poor. Most of their money is IOU money. More money is going out than coming in.
They're this! They're That!
FAG you don't know what they are because you're not their financial advisor.
Anybody with decent credit knows you don't buy a house in one payment. It's not a TV or PS4. Idiot
:omf:
I see it in the way they MOVE. Billionaires don't move like that. All Bill Gates and Mark Zucker are doing is philanthropy and meetings every now and then coming up with new pitches for other things to help PEOPLE. They're not dragging their old ass bones around some stage with flop ticket sales like Jay Z grandpa pigeon ass.
Look at Oprah, trying to act, selling mashed potatoes and shit, selling most of OWN. Oprah is no billionaire. Sorry black people.
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:54:26 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
He just proved he lives in his mom's basement.
MORTGAGE! WORTH A BILLION!
This faggot is clueless.
Cash poor!
This DUMMY
:omf:
NDNNFNNFNbbfbfbbFBfffdddDDDddd
Is he white?
He's a fckn NIGGER but wants to be anything but.
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:56:44 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:54:26 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
He just proved he lives in his mom's basement.
MORTGAGE! WORTH A BILLION!
This faggot is clueless.
Cash poor!
This DUMMY
:omf:
NDNNFNNFNbbfbfbbFBfffdddDDDddd
Is he white?
He's a fckn NIGGER but wants to be anything but.
JDJFJDFNDNFNkkkkkKDKDK
Not a
"Black ok?"I can see it!
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:55:52 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:53:12 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:48:53 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
He just proved he lives in his mom's basement.
MORTGAGE! WORTH A BILLION!
This faggot is clueless.
Cash poor!
This DUMMY
:omf:
They are cash poor. Most of their money is IOU money. More money is going out than coming in.
They're this! They're That!
FAG you don't know what they are because you're not their financial advisor.
Anybody with decent credit knows you don't buy a house in one payment. It's not a TV or PS4. Idiot
:omf:
I see it in the way they MOVE. Billionaires don't move like that. All Bill Gates and Mark Zucker are doing is philanthropy and meetings every now and then coming up with new pitches for other things. They're not dragging their old ass bones around some stage with flop ticket sales like Jay Z grandpa pigeon ass.
Look at Oprah, trying to act, selling mashed potatoes and shit, selling most of OWN. Oprah is no billionaire. Sorry black people.
You don't see shit and you don't know what billionaires do nor will you ever get a chance to see or experience it.
Move
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:53:12 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:48:53 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
He just proved he lives in his mom's basement.
MORTGAGE! WORTH A BILLION!
This faggot is clueless.
Cash poor!
This DUMMY
:omf:
They are cash poor. Most of their money is IOU money. More money is going out than coming in.
They're this! They're That!
FAG you don't know what they are because you're not their financial advisor.
Anybody with decent credit knows you don't buy a house in one payment. It's not a TV or PS4. Idiot
:omf:
My favorite post in here! :kii:
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:24:53 PM
TIDAL was a bad investment. Period. They've had 4 CEO changes in like 2 years. Apple and Spotify have been doing shit behind the scenes to make SURE Jay can't have a seat at the table. He's alluded to this on 4:44 AND in his Rap Radar interview over the summer.
He thought he could come in swinging with that awful rollout making it seem like rich and A-List celebs needed more money (which he has now admitted was a horrible idea), and this whole thing has just really blown up in his face. Especially the "exclusive" war he started with certain artists not giving their music to this or that streaming service.
He has done a great job by slowly getting out of it, though. SPRINT has purchased 33% of the company. And Mercedes will have TIDAL in all of its vehicles starting 2018 as a free streaming service for the driver.
So, he's not stupid by any means. Every investment isn't going to turn a huge profit. It's a gamble. That's business.
:ATLcameo:
This just shows you how gullible niggas are. You see how Jay Z was quick to sue for "bad" press when they were exposing that his tickets were flopping? Because he wanna pretend like he has it like that. LOL. These people aren't making money like you think sorry.
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:58:21 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:53:12 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:48:53 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
He just proved he lives in his mom's basement.
MORTGAGE! WORTH A BILLION!
This faggot is clueless.
Cash poor!
This DUMMY
:omf:
They are cash poor. Most of their money is IOU money. More money is going out than coming in.
They're this! They're That!
FAG you don't know what they are because you're not their financial advisor.
Anybody with decent credit knows you don't buy a house in one payment. It's not a TV or PS4. Idiot
:omf:
My favorite post in here! :kii:
Why a 50 million dollar loan though? They could have gotten a private investor or put up half of the money. It just looks stupid for billionaires to take out a loan. What is 50 million to a billionaire? LOL.
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 06:00:43 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:58:21 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:53:12 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:48:53 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
He just proved he lives in his mom's basement.
MORTGAGE! WORTH A BILLION!
This faggot is clueless.
Cash poor!
This DUMMY
:omf:
They are cash poor. Most of their money is IOU money. More money is going out than coming in.
They're this! They're That!
FAG you don't know what they are because you're not their financial advisor.
Anybody with decent credit knows you don't buy a house in one payment. It's not a TV or PS4. Idiot
:omf:
My favorite post in here! :kii:
Why a 50 million dollar loan though? They could have gotten a private investor or put up half of the money. It just looks stupid for billionaires to take out a loan. What is 50 million to a billionaire? LOL.
Looks stupid!Again, you don't know shit!
Read this and find out why one of the richest men in the world would take out a loan on a $6 million dollar home.
(https://i.imgur.com/WZbbOIg.jpg)
https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2012/0717/Zuckerberg-s-1-percent-mortgage-Why-does-a-billionaire-need-a-loan
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 06:04:55 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 06:00:43 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:58:21 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:53:12 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:48:53 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:46:51 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:44:13 PM
Quote from: Andrais. on December 13, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
He just proved he lives in his mom's basement.
MORTGAGE! WORTH A BILLION!
This faggot is clueless.
Cash poor!
This DUMMY
:omf:
They are cash poor. Most of their money is IOU money. More money is going out than coming in.
They're this! They're That!
FAG you don't know what they are because you're not their financial advisor.
Anybody with decent credit knows you don't buy a house in one payment. It's not a TV or PS4. Idiot
:omf:
My favorite post in here! :kii:
Why a 50 million dollar loan though? They could have gotten a private investor or put up half of the money. It just looks stupid for billionaires to take out a loan. What is 50 million to a billionaire? LOL.
Looks stupid!
Again, you don't know shit!
Read this and find out why one of the richest men in the world would take out a loan on a $6 million dollar home.
(https://i.imgur.com/WZbbOIg.jpg)
https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2012/0717/Zuckerberg-s-1-percent-mortgage-Why-does-a-billionaire-need-a-loan
LIES. And Zuckerberg still isn't working his bones down and down like grandpa pigeon. We know he's worth a BILLION too on his OWN. Good day faggots.
DAMN!
Lashed with FACTS again.
Toodles, ugly!
I'm screaming at thinking rich people don't take out loans.
Bull and his 130 Equifax score need to SIT!
:omf:
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 06:08:04 PM
DAMN!
Lashed with FACTS again.
Toodles, ugly!
:kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii:
Thnjghhhkghg
not Mark taking out a loan when he JUST mentioned him as an example
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and ok the Carters aren?t billionaires probably
AND? they?re wealthy period
Quote from: Young on December 13, 2017, 05:05:45 PM
The way Tidal is about to skyrocket into something amazing has me shook
Let em know bby doll!!
:scrumptious:
This article is fake news btw.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LDZX4ooRsWs/maxresdefault.jpg)
Quote from: AJ on December 13, 2017, 05:14:49 PM
Quote from: 1RIG on December 13, 2017, 05:12:45 PM
Isn?t it like 26 dollars a month? Imagine a certain demographic like college students paying that :kii: fucking please
ummm no. lol
for HIFI quality? Yea it is
At least 20. That?s dumb
Bulldagger might SNATCH may's most lashed badge by the end of the business day because :kii: the fagg was not prepared
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:36:25 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:27:13 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:19:21 PM
Quote from: Bulldagger on December 13, 2017, 05:10:57 PM
This is why they took a loan for their mortgage. lol. How is Jay Z going to educate me about business when he's a failed business man that is solely still relevant because of his wife, whose popularity is dying?
Do you know anything about finances?
Just because you're rich, it's not smart to always purchase everything flat out. That's money management rule #1.
Learn something.
(https://i.imgur.com/7hh73FI.jpg)
https://billionorbust.co/52-million-mortgage-might-smart-move-jay-bey/
QuoteI work with lots of ultra high net worth individuals (in finance) and I can promise you? Promise you they aren?t paying anywhere near 4% on that mortgage. Due to what i?m sure is a very complex investment relationship with their bank they?re probably getting the mortgage at 2 1/2%. MAX. It?s good business to leave that money in the market and I?m sure the bank is appreciative as well.
I love seeing people start from the bottom and make such successes of themselves.
http://variety.com/2017/dirt/real-estalker/jay-z-beyonce-bel-air-compound-1202538487/#article-comments
Basically, you don't know shit!
They don't have the money....
why take out a loan for things you can clearly afford? Do they plan to default at some point? Sounds like they're living above their means...
You asking this proves you don't know shit about finances. Stick to Billboard.
Buying flat out vs. leasing/mortgaging is all about the investment. A rich person is more likely to lease a car or pay a mortgage on something that will depreciate in value. But if Jay-Z buys some 1985 Rolls Royce, he is likely to purchase that flat out. Why? Because it will increase in value as the years go by. Like a Picasso or a DaVinci. Rich people are usually only buying anything straight out (if they're smart) if the value is expected to increase over the years. That is called an investment. You following?
Being rich and having real wealth is all about taking a route that will make you the most money.
Also, rich people usually tend to have amazing credit. So, guess what? Any lease or mortgage they are getting will be at the lowest possible interest rate. Therefore, it is a benefit to just make payments as opposed to have all your cash tied up in some property that will probably depreciate in value, and you might not even be staying there forever.
QuoteIn their home countries (including the U.S.), the wealthy rarely ever pay for the homes in full, particularly in a low interest rate environment. As of September, 2016, the 30-year fixed rate mortgage stands at 3.58%. Those with good credit and significant assets can often negotiate for an even lower rate. Taking on a mortgage frees up the cash that can be invested, though usually in their own businesses, not the stock market. As long as the investment returns covers the mortgage (i.e. earning a positive spread), taking out the mortgage is a good financial decision.
You talk a lot of shit without being able to back it up.
Just shutup.
:gorlonfire: :gorlonfire: :gorlonfire:
You know what you are talking about!
HiFi is $19.99/month and Premium is $9.99. Both are 50% off with student discounts. Where are you getting $26 from?
:ummwhat:
Quote from: OwnIt on December 13, 2017, 06:25:12 PM
Bulldagger might SNATCH may's most lashed badge by the end of the business day because :kii: the fagg was not prepared
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damn
Quote from: BowDown on December 13, 2017, 06:27:25 PM
HiFi is $19.99/month
:ummwhat:
ridiculous
and the original charge was 26, and then its 20 after that for me
Quote from: XXX. on December 13, 2017, 05:09:43 PM
Quote from: Baph al Mana. on December 13, 2017, 05:08:40 PM
Just in time..
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What a YEAR!
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Quote from: OwnIt on December 13, 2017, 06:25:12 PM
Bulldagger might SNATCH may's most lashed badge by the end of the business day because :kii: the fagg was not prepared
:scrumptious: :scrumptious: :scrumptious:
Cody laid HA out in here! So proud of my bby :stressed:
Quote from: 1RIG on December 13, 2017, 06:24:45 PM
Quote from: AJ on December 13, 2017, 05:14:49 PM
Quote from: 1RIG on December 13, 2017, 05:12:45 PM
Isn?t it like 26 dollars a month? Imagine a certain demographic like college students paying that :kii: fucking please
ummm no. lol
for HIFI quality? Yea it is
At least 20. That?s dumb
(https://s18.postimg.org/tjsz5gffd/820_B29_C3-_CB8_B-402_E-_BE01-20006_D35_CBDF.jpg)
Just took a screenshot. He?s an idiot and deserves the L here
(http://i64.tinypic.com/286uyxh.png)
That?s strange, is Tidal being selective with the gorls?
:ummwhat:
I think the Apple subscription for Tidal is more
Quote from: AYR on December 14, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I think the Apple subscription for Tidal is more
It is.
And I don't get that. It's like $26 or something if you purchase it through the Apple Store. I have HiFi for $19.99/monthly. Honestly, I love TIDAL. I crack jokes, because I can't stand Bill Co-Zby these days. But I love the sound quality and everything I need is right there. I also like that it's very black friendly in the artists it promotes and new music it spotlights.
I want it to stick around. I just wish my fave wasn't so wrapped up in it trying to be loyal to her husband.
Quote from: XXX. on December 14, 2017, 11:50:06 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 14, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I think the Apple subscription for Tidal is more
It is.
And I don't get that. It's like $26 or something if you purchase it through the Apple Store. I have HiFi for $19.99/monthly. Honestly, I love TIDAL. I crack jokes, because I can't stand Bill Co-Zby these days. But I love the sound quality and everything I need is right there. I also like that it's very black friendly in the artists it promotes and new music it spotlights.
I want it to stick around. I just wish my fave wasn't so wrapped up in it trying to be loyal to her husband.
:loose2when:
I love how they have Jhene and Azealias mixtapes on there too omf. if they upload nostalgia ultra, i may have to head on BACK
But with Spotify i can add my mess straight from iTunes so I?m straight for now
Quote from: AYR on December 14, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I think the Apple subscription for Tidal is more
It is.
Since the subscription is listed as an in-app purchase Apple gets a 30% cut. So TIDAL raised the price to recoup the cost.
Quote from: Nine on December 14, 2017, 11:57:00 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 14, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I think the Apple subscription for Tidal is more
It is.
Since the subscription is listed as an in-app purchase Apple gets a 30% cut. So TIDAL raised the price to recoup the cost.
Aah! Thanks for explaining this. Makes sense.
Quote from: Nine on December 14, 2017, 11:57:00 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 14, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I think the Apple subscription for Tidal is more
It is.
Since the subscription is listed as an in-app purchase Apple gets a 30% cut. So TIDAL raised the price to recoup the cost.
wtf
Should i snatch Tidal from their website or something when i return
:omgwatshappening:
Jay, girl. retired self
Quote from: 1RIG on December 14, 2017, 12:36:08 PM
Quote from: Nine on December 14, 2017, 11:57:00 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 14, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I think the Apple subscription for Tidal is more
It is.
Since the subscription is listed as an in-app purchase Apple gets a 30% cut. So TIDAL raised the price to recoup the cost.
wtf
Should i snatch Tidal from their website or something when i return
:omgwatshappening:
Jay, girl. retired self
yes you should
THEN sign into the app with your cheaper account info
Quote from: AYR on December 14, 2017, 12:37:10 PM
Quote from: 1RIG on December 14, 2017, 12:36:08 PM
Quote from: Nine on December 14, 2017, 11:57:00 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 14, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I think the Apple subscription for Tidal is more
It is.
Since the subscription is listed as an in-app purchase Apple gets a 30% cut. So TIDAL raised the price to recoup the cost.
wtf
Should i snatch Tidal from their website or something when i return
:omgwatshappening:
Jay, girl. retired self
yes you should
THEN sign into the app with your cheaper account info
oh WAIT
It may be time for some mess king
Quote from: XXX. on December 14, 2017, 11:50:06 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 14, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I think the Apple subscription for Tidal is more
It is.
And I don't get that. It's like $26 or something if you purchase it through the Apple Store. I have HiFi for $19.99/monthly. Honestly, I love TIDAL. I crack jokes, because I can't stand Bill Co-Zby these days. But I love the sound quality and everything I need is right there. I also like that it's very black friendly in the artists it promotes and new music it spotlights.
I want it to stick around. I just wish my fave wasn't so wrapped up in it trying to be loyal to her husband.
Can you notice the difference with the HiFi? Is it worth the extra $10?
Quote from: Nine on December 14, 2017, 11:57:00 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 14, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I think the Apple subscription for Tidal is more
It is.
Since the subscription is listed as an in-app purchase Apple gets a 30% cut. So TIDAL raised the price to recoup the cost.
Wait. Is that why I pay more for Netflix?
:ummwhat:
Quote from: BowDown on December 14, 2017, 03:14:14 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 14, 2017, 11:50:06 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 14, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I think the Apple subscription for Tidal is more
It is.
And I don't get that. It's like $26 or something if you purchase it through the Apple Store. I have HiFi for $19.99/monthly. Honestly, I love TIDAL. I crack jokes, because I can't stand Bill Co-Zby these days. But I love the sound quality and everything I need is right there. I also like that it's very black friendly in the artists it promotes and new music it spotlights.
I want it to stick around. I just wish my fave wasn't so wrapped up in it trying to be loyal to her husband.
Can you notice the difference with the HiFi? Is it worth the extra $10?
I?d say so
Especially if u already have tidal. It really is amazing i can?t lie
Quote from: 1RIG on December 14, 2017, 03:18:31 PM
Quote from: BowDown on December 14, 2017, 03:14:14 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 14, 2017, 11:50:06 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 14, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I think the Apple subscription for Tidal is more
It is.
And I don't get that. It's like $26 or something if you purchase it through the Apple Store. I have HiFi for $19.99/monthly. Honestly, I love TIDAL. I crack jokes, because I can't stand Bill Co-Zby these days. But I love the sound quality and everything I need is right there. I also like that it's very black friendly in the artists it promotes and new music it spotlights.
I want it to stick around. I just wish my fave wasn't so wrapped up in it trying to be loyal to her husband.
Can you notice the difference with the HiFi? Is it worth the extra $10?
I?d say so
Especially if u already have tidal. It really is amazing i can?t lie
Can you notice just through headphones or everywhere? Maybe I should upgrade.
:stressed:
Quote from: BowDown on December 14, 2017, 03:14:14 PM
Quote from: XXX. on December 14, 2017, 11:50:06 AM
Quote from: AYR on December 14, 2017, 10:50:54 AM
I think the Apple subscription for Tidal is more
It is.
And I don't get that. It's like $26 or something if you purchase it through the Apple Store. I have HiFi for $19.99/monthly. Honestly, I love TIDAL. I crack jokes, because I can't stand Bill Co-Zby these days. But I love the sound quality and everything I need is right there. I also like that it's very black friendly in the artists it promotes and new music it spotlights.
I want it to stick around. I just wish my fave wasn't so wrapped up in it trying to be loyal to her husband.
Can you notice the difference with the HiFi? Is it worth the extra $10?
YEAH.
But TIDAL has TIDAL Hi-Fi and Master quality.
But it's only available using Google Chrome or the Desktop application on your computer. You can't listen to Hi-Fi or Master quality on your phone.
Also, you have to make sure your listening settings are switched on under Settings > Streaming.
QuoteHi-Fi: Lossless audio. To use HiFi, you need to have a TIDAL HiFi account. For Hi-Fi playback, you need to use Chrome or the TIDAL desktop application.
Master: The best audio experience. To use Master, you need to have a TIDAL HiFi account. The Master audio playback quality is only available in the TIDAL desktop application - Download here.
The HIFI mess definitely blew my Durag back through my headphones
there was a difference. Apple Music is the worst of the 3, sound quality wise. Embarrassing