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Title: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 01:29:44 PM
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Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: D.I.E.G.O. on August 08, 2018, 01:31:37 PM
What white R&B singers?
:diddraispoot:
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 01:35:08 PM
Quote from: D.I.E.G.O. on August 08, 2018, 01:31:37 PM
What white R&B singers?
:diddraispoot:

They name dropped Sam Smith & Adele.

Eric says why is it label 'genius' when they do it.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: RAY7 on August 08, 2018, 01:38:09 PM
Nigga never go Eric Benet
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: RAY7 on August 08, 2018, 01:38:28 PM
What?s the time mark
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 01:45:44 PM
Quote from: AYR on August 08, 2018, 01:38:28 PM
What?s the time mark

38:24 min mark

They get on the subject of R&B
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: FlowerBomb on August 08, 2018, 01:45:58 PM
well duh
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: RAY7 on August 08, 2018, 01:46:44 PM
Quote from: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 01:45:44 PM
Quote from: AYR on August 08, 2018, 01:38:28 PM
What?s the time mark

38:24 min mark

They get on the subject of R&B
thnx
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Kurama on August 08, 2018, 01:47:03 PM
....

Yeah tho.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Opposites Attract. on August 08, 2018, 01:49:08 PM
Kelly would win again if she wasn't so persistent on being this fat bitch.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Opposites Attract. on August 08, 2018, 01:52:07 PM
n

Horrible I'd expect, especially given the fact this is my first time ever hearing this :dead:
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Young on August 08, 2018, 01:52:22 PM
Point out the fckn lie
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Scott. on August 08, 2018, 02:00:20 PM
Well he told no lies. They do.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: D.I.E.G.O. on August 08, 2018, 02:29:54 PM
Quote from: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 01:35:08 PM
Quote from: D.I.E.G.O. on August 08, 2018, 01:31:37 PM
What white R&B singers?
:diddraispoot:

They name dropped Sam Smith & Adele.

Eric says why is it label 'genius' when they do it.

Thanks, love! Just finished listening. I don?t consider these folks R&B artists. Hmmm I get what he?s saying, I?m just trying to think of examples that make sense?true R&B artists who are white.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Scott. on August 08, 2018, 02:33:19 PM
I don't think it's a case of us considering them as R&B artists, because in all reality they are not. But they do make soul music and artists like Jazmine Sullivan could make a song like "Hello" and it's a flop. But Adele made it a BIG success.

Justin Timberlake was apart one of the biggest pop boy bands and he started making R&B records and was successful with that, while other R&B artists are either being sent to Urban AC radio and not being heard at all and the music they are making isn't that different.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Sinpool on August 08, 2018, 02:34:41 PM
Umm Kelly been doing R&B since her first album.

Fuck yall
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: D.I.E.G.O. on August 08, 2018, 02:29:54 PM
Quote from: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 01:35:08 PM
Quote from: D.I.E.G.O. on August 08, 2018, 01:31:37 PM
What white R&B singers?
:diddraispoot:

They name dropped Sam Smith & Adele.

Eric says why is it label 'genius' when they do it.

Thanks, love! Just finished listening. I don?t consider these folks R&B artists. Hmmm I get what he?s saying, I?m just trying to think of examples that make sense?true R&B artists who are white.

Teena Marie aka the Ivory Queen of Soul
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Young on August 08, 2018, 02:58:26 PM
Quote from: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: D.I.E.G.O. on August 08, 2018, 02:29:54 PM
Quote from: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 01:35:08 PM
Quote from: D.I.E.G.O. on August 08, 2018, 01:31:37 PM
What white R&B singers?
:diddraispoot:

They name dropped Sam Smith & Adele.

Eric says why is it label 'genius' when they do it.

Thanks, love! Just finished listening. I don?t consider these folks R&B artists. Hmmm I get what he?s saying, I?m just trying to think of examples that make sense?true R&B artists who are white.

Teena Marie aka the Ivory Queen of Soul

!!!! Queen ACK
Robin Thicke
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 03:00:25 PM
Jon B. as well.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Lane Bryant Jumpsuit on August 08, 2018, 03:04:25 PM
He likes white girls over black ones so it balances out
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Gilgamesh. on August 08, 2018, 04:04:49 PM
...And the sky is fucking blue.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on August 08, 2018, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: tame the ruckus. on August 08, 2018, 01:43:40 PM
I'm more irritated by people who clearly were in another lane and suddenly decided to go deep fried once they saw some $$$.

There are many people who seem genuinely influenced by R&B music.

Post Malone is one of them - when I heard White Iverson I was like wow this is amazing
I dunno, it's just something that's deep within the song that makes you feel as if there's true inspiration there, and not a gimmick or convenient appropriation.

I wasn't surprised when I read that he grew up in a musical family that exposed him to all genres of music.
The mix of rock/hip-hop/R&B he does is fucking sick. And it seems so authentic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLsTskih7_I
xxccccxx

Yeah I never got fake from him

I saw an interview and that boy is HOOD :dead:
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Steffon on August 08, 2018, 05:55:29 PM
oh my
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Nine on August 08, 2018, 06:00:48 PM
Is he gonna keep repeating stuff we already know?
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Kaeli. on August 08, 2018, 06:15:28 PM
Quote from: tame the ruckus. on August 08, 2018, 01:40:22 PM
This was a bop but I low-key was like :udontlookok: at all the appropriation.

Blacks in the field clappin with me ya'll! Soul sistah! Nigga-approved!

:omf:

I wouldn't call Kelly a wannabe R&B singer but it definitely was a side eye moment for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy6vBxqlapw
dddff
In queen?s defense this is the kinda music she?s been wanting to make, they just wouldn?t let her

Didn?t she Audition on AI w/ an Aretha song
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Kaeli. on August 08, 2018, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: Nine on August 08, 2018, 06:00:48 PM
Is he gonna keep repeating stuff we already know?
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: CREAM. on August 08, 2018, 06:16:26 PM
Wow this is really new groundbreaking information
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Kaeli. on August 08, 2018, 06:19:17 PM
Oh no it was an Etta song

But still. Queen loves blacks
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Lane Bryant Jumpsuit on August 08, 2018, 07:13:34 PM
Quote from: tame the ruckus. on August 08, 2018, 01:50:44 PM
Quote from: MAISON-MARGIELA. on August 08, 2018, 01:49:08 PM
Kelly would win again if she wasn't so persistent on being this fat bitch.
:guys:

How did Appropriation So Soft do?


Lmfao im screaming at the bank
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Sinpool on August 08, 2018, 07:25:07 PM
Quote from: tame the ruckus. on August 08, 2018, 06:21:25 PM
lmlmmllmmllmlm

I coulda swore she said that she pushed for that "dark rock" sound that she went into shortly after she won..

d

she didn't do a dark rock mess until 3 or 4 albums in u ok
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: D.I.E.G.O. on August 08, 2018, 07:28:51 PM
Quote from: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 02:55:33 PM
Quote from: D.I.E.G.O. on August 08, 2018, 02:29:54 PM
Quote from: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 01:35:08 PM
Quote from: D.I.E.G.O. on August 08, 2018, 01:31:37 PM
What white R&B singers?
:diddraispoot:

They name dropped Sam Smith & Adele.

Eric says why is it label 'genius' when they do it.

Thanks, love! Just finished listening. I don?t consider these folks R&B artists. Hmmm I get what he?s saying, I?m just trying to think of examples that make sense?true R&B artists who are white.

Teena Marie aka the Ivory Queen of Soul

Contemporary, I should have clarified. Jon and Teena are not current artists. There are many that rely on R&B elements, inflections, etc. I think his categorization threw me off.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 07:31:01 PM
Daley. He's super underrated.


Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: D.I.E.G.O. on August 08, 2018, 07:34:14 PM
Daley is favored? How so? He has no hit records here in the States and he?s not the most critically acclaimed import. In fact, he?s incredibly underrated (and trying to slide into Bran?s DMs for a collab.)

I?m genuinely curious about Eric?s argument. It sounds good in theory, but I am trying to find concrete examples.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: D.I.E.G.O. on August 08, 2018, 07:37:19 PM
Quote from: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 07:31:01 PM
Daley. He's super underrated.




True! I wouldn?t say he?s favored, but he is a contemporary R&B artist who is white.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 07:39:37 PM
I didn't say he was favored though. If anything he's underrated and imo, much better than Sam Smith.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Sovereign. on August 08, 2018, 07:41:43 PM
I don?t agree with Joe?s statement about music JUST being entertainment. Look at the Blues, Gospel, Jazz, Disco, Hip-Hop, House, etc. Those forms were birthed from specific political and social experiences. They were birthed as an act of survival unique to black, queer and trans folk. However, I don?t agree without Eric either. He comes from the school where if it isn?t imagined as respectable it isn?t art. That is also a lie. Hip-Hop has been the catalyst for so much social and cultural change. As much as the "mainstream" (white folks), refuse to acknowledge this or show up monetarily for black artists, just look at media and see all the en vogue dances, the Trap beats that every artist wants to reference, and look at who is attending the Migos concerts and before Migos who was attending NWA, Snoop concerts, etc.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 07:42:36 PM
I think of Boy George but he's not totally a true blue R&B artist although he's incorporated those elements into his music and was highly successful in his prime.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: D.I.E.G.O. on August 08, 2018, 07:45:59 PM
Quote from: Lazarus on August 08, 2018, 07:39:37 PM
I didn't say he was favored though. If anything he's underrated and imo, much better than Sam Smith.

!!! For sure. Daley is dope. I was referring back to Eric?s argument about white R&B acts being favored. Thanks for the example.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: b7 on August 12, 2018, 03:06:14 AM
Quote from: Legacy on August 08, 2018, 01:40:22 PM
This was a bop but I low-key was like :udontlookok: at all the appropriation.

Blacks in the field clappin with me ya'll! Soul sistah! Nigga-approved!

:omf:

I wouldn't call Kelly a wannabe R&B singer but it definitely was a side eye moment for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy6vBxqlapw
bbbbhbbgghhhjh wtf :uhh:

r these cotton fields
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Bulldagger on August 12, 2018, 03:11:27 AM
Soul music is not rhythm and blues. Just because Adele yells and screams doesn?t make her an R&B artist. Both she and Sam sing SOUL music. If she sang a song like Angel of Mine or Let It Flow, then she?d be considered R&B.
Title: Re: Eric Benet Says Music Biz Favors White R&B Singers Over Black Ones
Post by: Bulldagger on August 12, 2018, 03:11:39 AM
I mean, white soul is a real thing...

I don?t get R&B from song like Rolling in The Deep and Someone Like You. I get alternative lite rock vibes.