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Tori Kelly took two Grammy awards on Sunday night for Best Gospel Performance/Song for ?Never Alone? featuring Kirk Frankin and Best Gospel Album for ?Hiding Place?.
The singer was nominated along with artist, Jekalyn Carr, Koryn Hawthorne, Jonathan McReynolds Featuring DOE, and Brian Courtney Wilson for Gospel/Contemporary Christain Music. That apparently left fellow Grammy winner Smokie Norful feeling some type of way.
Norful posted a collage of Gospel artist, Jonathan McReynolds, The Walls Group, Todd Dulaney , Koryn Hawthorne, Jekalyn Carr , Brian Courtney Wilson. His post recognized some artist that he feels are ?Heavy on GOSPEL?.
?Now?no disrespect to Tori or Kirk (who is my friend and brutha) but THESE are the true winners in the GOSPEL category for the Grammys. Heavy on GOSPEL. Congratulations to each of you. I?m a bonafide fan of how awesomely God uses each of you.All of your music has blessed and carried me personally. I pray your ministry is never reduced to the size of a statue ? your anointing is HUGE.?
He continues, ?I want to publicly acknowledge the sacrifices, work, prayer, scriptural preparation, and true ministry you offer to the world. You stand on the legacy of many who have remained faithful and labored in the gospel. You are worthy of double honor. AALL the GOSPEL artists. I love you.?
Smokie completes his caption by saying, ?I appreciate you. God is pleased. And who knows, maybe next year they?ll give ME a Grammy for POP music.?
Does he have a point? Or just feeling salty?
He has deleted the IG post since then.
kinda bitter
Yeah. She won. Her album was best. The others can?t just Grammys because they?ve been preaching longer. Like wtf?
Smokie is one of my favorite vocalist ever
but King needs to (especially as a Gospel artist) not care about a Grammy
No worship of false idols. F the Shammys
Have a seat ?okie
I haven?t listened to any of the nominees so I can?t relally speak to who?s album was better.
Must suck every time a secular puts out an album third Gospel the actual Gospel artists get shafted :dead:
I actually get what he means
But still if they feel she deserved then let her enjoy her accolades
At least it was good content
Koryn Hawthorne should?ve won best Gospel song.
Gospel artist are supposed to be giving all the praise and appreciation to God and just humbly accepting accolades from people but not seeking them out or desiring them I think
Tori deserved her grammy. Her project was VERY good. So basically he didnt think she deserved it because she's white (tho she too is partly black). He took all the black artists and said they were the ones that were REALLY deserving :dead:
Quote from: .betterwiseup on February 14, 2019, 11:36:26 AM
Koryn Hawthorne should?ve won best Gospel song.
Her song is okay but no
Yeah Smo' tried it
Then threw Shade towards "Pop"
Black Queen Tori deserved it
As far as I know, you have to work in a specific genre in order to be able to vote for those categories. Everyone on the voting committee can vote in the general fields though. He needs to take this up with his peers in the Gospel community because they?re the ones who voted for her. :plea:
Quote from: Young on February 14, 2019, 11:47:32 AM
Yeah Smo' tried it
Then threw Shade towards "Pop"
Black Queen Tori deserved it
Right because nothing about her project was pop :dead:
This just made me side eye this short, stocky nigga.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 11:45:43 AM
Tori deserved her grammy. Her project was VERY good. So basically he didnt think she deserved it because she's white (tho she too is partly black). He took all the black artists and said they were the ones that were REALLY deserving :dead:
I think it's more so the fact she sings "secular" music also. As opposed to them who careers is dedicated to singing the gospel.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 11:50:27 AM
Quote from: Young on February 14, 2019, 11:47:32 AM
Yeah Smo' tried it
Then threw Shade towards "Pop"
Black Queen Tori deserved it
Right because nothing about her project was pop :dead:
This just made me side eye this short, stocky nigga.
sdddddddddddddddddddddd
right
and tbh she kinda sang ALOT of folks under with this album :loose2when:
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on February 14, 2019, 11:23:07 AM
I haven?t listened to any of the nominees so I can?t relally speak to who?s album was better.
Must suck every time a secular puts out an album third Gospel the actual Gospel artists get shafted :dead:
Not even tori's? Listen to these and tell me what u think.
I went to see her in January and it is well (soul's anthem) live BLESSED me :stressed:
Quote from: Young on February 14, 2019, 11:54:39 AM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 11:50:27 AM
Quote from: Young on February 14, 2019, 11:47:32 AM
Yeah Smo' tried it
Then threw Shade towards "Pop"
Black Queen Tori deserved it
Right because nothing about her project was pop :dead:
This just made me side eye this short, stocky nigga.
sdddddddddddddddddddddd
right
and tbh she kinda sang ALOT of folks under with this album :loose2when:
TBFH! :gorlonfire:
Quote from: Tonkaman on February 14, 2019, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 11:45:43 AM
Tori deserved her grammy. Her project was VERY good. So basically he didnt think she deserved it because she's white (tho she too is partly black). He took all the black artists and said they were the ones that were REALLY deserving :dead:
I think it's more so the fact she sings "secular" music also. As opposed to them who careers is dedicated to singing the gospel.
I guess. Smokie can stfu, singing self
It Is Well :gorlonfire:
Quote from: Young on February 14, 2019, 11:58:21 AM
It Is Well :gorlonfire:
NIGGA!
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Quote from: .betterwiseup on February 14, 2019, 12:00:44 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 11:46:10 AM
Quote from: .betterwiseup on February 14, 2019, 11:36:26 AM
Koryn Hawthorne should?ve won best Gospel song.
Her song is okay but no
i didn?t ask what you thought about it.
I told u, hoe. Also Azebra aint ever fckn happening. U get that one for FREE
Quote from: Tonkaman on February 14, 2019, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 11:45:43 AM
Tori deserved her grammy. Her project was VERY good. So basically he didnt think she deserved it because she's white (tho she too is partly black). He took all the black artists and said they were the ones that were REALLY deserving :dead:
I think it's more so the fact she sings "secular" music also. As opposed to them who careers is dedicated to singing the gospel.
yea her bringing her little pop fanbase over kinda pushed her over the top
But yeah Won?t He Do It>>
This Tori girl only won because Kirk Franklin was featured on it.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 12:01:37 PM
Quote from: .betterwiseup on February 14, 2019, 12:00:44 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 11:46:10 AM
Quote from: .betterwiseup on February 14, 2019, 11:36:26 AM
Koryn Hawthorne should?ve won best Gospel song.
Her song is okay but no
i didn?t ask what you thought about it.
I told u, hoe. Also Azebra aint ever fckn happening. U get that one for FREE
Worry about Dawn?s strong face, struggling ass, sissy.
Quote from: .betterwiseup on February 14, 2019, 12:04:50 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 12:01:37 PM
Quote from: .betterwiseup on February 14, 2019, 12:00:44 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 11:46:10 AM
Quote from: .betterwiseup on February 14, 2019, 11:36:26 AM
Koryn Hawthorne should?ve won best Gospel song.
Her song is okay but no
i didn?t ask what you thought about it.
I told u, hoe. Also Azebra aint ever fckn happening. U get that one for FREE
Worry about Dawn?s
For what? She's touring and releasing music. Is ugly still crying about being broke and not working?
Wasnt tori's album the most successful of the bunch as well? It was number one for a number of weeks and did the best, i think. She deserved her mess
And Koryn can't REALLY sing and that's why i can't fully get in
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on February 14, 2019, 11:23:07 AM
I haven?t listened to any of the nominees so I can?t relally speak to who?s album was better.
Must suck every time a secular puts out an album third Gospel the actual Gospel artists get shafted :dead:
Quote from: ZAIYE on February 14, 2019, 12:12:31 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 12:07:54 PM
Wasnt tori's album the most successful of the bunch as well? It was number one for a number of weeks and did the best, i think. She deserved her mess
Yeah, she had the most first week streams for any gospel album EVER
AND she stayed on top of the Top Gospel Albums chart for over ten weeks
Yea, she deserved her mess
Yeah I'd side eye if the quality of the material wasn't THERE
but sis is anointed and she did what the Lord said DO w/ that album
Congrats Tori
KINGie said what the fuck he said!!!
The Shammy?s is a joke!
The fact that white bitch won a Gospel award is a joke.
hes right
jekalyn >>> tori
sorr'
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on February 14, 2019, 11:05:59 AM
Smokie is one of my favorite vocalist ever
but King needs to (especially as a Gospel artist) not care about a Grammy
No worship of false idols. F the Shammys
n
When did you start having this stance on the Grammy?s? As much as you bragged about Bey?s awards....
Quote from: 4 fucking k on February 14, 2019, 12:25:22 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on February 14, 2019, 11:05:59 AM
Smokie is one of my favorite vocalist ever
but King needs to (especially as a Gospel artist) not care about a Grammy
No worship of false idols. F the Shammys
n
When did you start having this stance on the Grammy?s? As much as you bragged about Bey?s awards....
when I realized that they obviously don?t value Black artists as they should. Bey has 23 awards and only like 2 maybe in the general field I had to wake up
Smokie is being petty. With his logic, if Tamela Mann was supposed to do an R&B record, she shouldnt be able to ever be nominated for an R&B grammy. And Taylor Swift who started off as a country artist should not be allowed to be nominated or win in a Pop category.
Furthermore, anyone who knows Tori will know a lot of her music is actually centered in Gospel. Her song Hollow is a song about God (gospel stations didnt play it though hmm). And since the past 2 yrs, Tori has pretty much been a gospel artist working with Lecrae and Mali Music.
As a gospel artist, a post like that is only causing division among gospel artists. As a Christian, he needs to be more cautious of the kind of energy he's putting out there. And Im pretty sure he deleted that IG post AFTER he found out that Tori is actually part black.
Speaking of Koryn, i watched this today
Go to 17 mins and take a gander. I guess she shouldn't have won either. She ain't as committed to GOSPEL as she should be. That thinking is not only antiquated but also stupid AF
Quote from: SPARK on February 14, 2019, 12:32:15 PM
Smokie is being petty. With his logic, if Tamela Mann was supposed to do an R&B record, she shouldnt be able to ever be nominated for an R&B grammy. And Taylor Swift who started off as a country artist should not be allowed to be nominated or win in a Pop category.
Furthermore, anyone who knows Tori will know a lot of her music is actually centered in Gospel. Her song Hollow is a song about God (gospel stations didnt play it though hmm). And since the past 2 yrs, Tori has pretty much been a gospel artist working with Lecrae and Mali Music.
As a gospel artist, a post like that is only causing division among gospel artists. As a Christian, he needs to be more cautious of how the energy he's putting out there. And Im pretty sure he deleted that IG posted AFTER he found out that Tori is actually part black.
ooop
and half the folks upset have probably not even heard her album and fumed at the color of her skin
n
This girl SLAYED
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 11:46:10 AM
Quote from: .betterwiseup on February 14, 2019, 11:36:26 AM
Koryn Hawthorne should?ve won best Gospel song.
Her song is okay but no
havent heard any of the songs in this category but I agree with this opinion since it disagrees with .betterwiseup?s.
Great content
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 12:34:58 PM
Speaking of Koryn, i watched this today
Go to 17 mins and take a gander. I guess she shouldn't have won either. She ain't as committed to GOSPEL as she should be. That thinking is not only antiquated but also stupid AF
And she was the only nominee who was quick to jump in and agree with Smokie's post. And once again, with Smokie's logic, her version of gospel is not the traditional gospel sound either. Jonathan McReynold and Brian were the only 2 with a more "traditional" sound.
But lets be clear. If Michelle Williams had won a Grammy, Smokie would have nothing to say (even tho most of her content is secular). He's MAINLY fuming because she's a "white" artist.
Quote from: SPARK on February 14, 2019, 12:43:56 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 12:34:58 PM
Speaking of Koryn, i watched this today
Go to 17 mins and take a gander. I guess she shouldn't have won either. She ain't as committed to GOSPEL as she should be. That thinking is not only antiquated but also stupid AF
And she was the only nominee who was quick to jump in and agree with Smokie's post. And once again, with Smokie's logic, her version of gospel is not the traditional gospel sound either. Jonathan McReynold and Brian were the only 2 with a more "traditional" sound.
But lets be clear. If Michelle Williams had won a Grammy, Smokie would have nothing to say (even tho most of her content is secular). He's MAINLY fuming because she's a "white" artist.
I agree wholeheartedly
Quote from: ZAIYE on February 14, 2019, 12:52:55 PM
Guys, this Won't He Do It song is far from Traditional :uhh:
Unstoppable too. They say any damn thing :dead:
I guess as long as u call it gospel, it's fine :kii:
Quote from: ZAIYE on February 14, 2019, 12:53:35 PM
It's a bop though.
But Hiding Place>>>>>>
ALL THIS! Unstoppable is nice too
I don?t blame him. Tori needs to stick to those Nationwide commercials.
Clearly she doesnt. 2 grammys say otherwise LOLZ
Smokie was not talking about whether Tori?s music was traditional Gospel
it was about her being Pop and kind of overshadowing the artist who have always just been in the Gospel arena
I?m sure if Beyonc? did gospel right now there would definitely be complaining from church people and there actually WAS when she replaced Ledisi
So I doubt it?s a race thing
It all goes hand in hand. If ur making R&B music and calling it gospel because u say God in it then it falls under that same umbrella. This was also about race too tho. Fuck him
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on February 14, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
Smokie was not talking about whether Tori?s music was traditional Gospel
it was about her being Pop and kind of overshadowing the artist who have always just been in the Gospel arena
I?m sure if Beyonc? did gospel right now there would definitely be complaining from church people and there actually WAS when she replaced Ledisi
So I doubt it?s a race thing
s
Quote from: Young on February 14, 2019, 01:14:51 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on February 14, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
Smokie was not talking about whether Tori?s music was traditional Gospel
it was about her being Pop and kind of overshadowing the artist who have always just been in the Gospel arena
I?m sure if Beyonc? did gospel right now there would definitely be complaining from church people and there actually WAS when she replaced Ledisi
So I doubt it?s a race thing
s
The logic :plzstop:
Ledisi aint a damn gospel artist so :blink:
It was all about ledisi being better suited to sing the song because beyonce AINT fckn able to channel a damn emotion :dead:
I agree with Smokie.
Now let me read what he said.
She isn?t but it?s the same thing
It wasn?t about whether she can emote because that?s honestly subjective
Ppl were saying she blocked Ledisi from performing because she?s a bigger star
Kirk is saying that Tori won because she?s a bigger star than the regular gospel artist in the category
At the end of the damn day LOLZ
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Yeah so Tori won.
And deserved it.
Anointed sangin self.
and Kirk>>
they aint have no hope anyway lolz
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on February 14, 2019, 01:20:19 PM
She isn?t but it?s the same thing
It wasn?t about whether she can emote because that?s honestly subjective
Ppl were saying she blocked Ledisi from performing because she?s a bigger star
Kirk is saying that Tori won because she?s a bigger star than the regular gospel artist in the category
Firstly, Smokie*
Secondly, ur legit making stuff up. Quote where he said she won because she's a bigger star. His point was that she isn't SOLELY a gospel singer that commits herself to gospel music, which is dumb because gospel artists dont SOLELY comment themselves to gospel music. It was bullshit
dssssss
eek--a!
Throw in that White flag Ray, bro
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 01:24:51 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on February 14, 2019, 01:20:19 PM
She isn?t but it?s the same thing
It wasn?t about whether she can emote because that?s honestly subjective
Ppl were saying she blocked Ledisi from performing because she?s a bigger star
Kirk is saying that Tori won because she?s a bigger star than the regular gospel artist in the category
Firstly, Smokie*
Secondly, ur legit making stuff up. Quote where he said she won because she's a bigger star. His point was that she isn't SOLELY a gospel singer that commits herself to gospel music, which is dumb because gospel artists dont SOLELY comment themselves to gospel music. It was bullshit
him saying she?s POP isn?t just because it?s a different genre
Clearly Pop artist sell more than Gospel and get more exposure and accolades and that?s his issue
Ray, are u gonna quote where he said that? I'm not interested in ur interpretation of what he said. We only discussing the FAX
It was inferred
I?m not interested in your interpretation of his words either
The walls group deserved and had the best album but I?m genuinely happy for tori
Home girl here gets it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFCtmtYWSOk
Quote from: AJ on February 14, 2019, 02:39:45 PM
The walls group deserved and had the best album but I?m genuinely happy for tori
I didn?t hear Jekalyn but
I definitely liked their album over John, Koryn, and Tori
Quote from: Vonc2002 on February 14, 2019, 12:34:58 PM
Speaking of Koryn, i watched this today
Go to 17 mins and take a gander. I guess she shouldn't have won either. She ain't as committed to GOSPEL as she should be. That thinking is not only antiquated but also stupid AF
her voice
:mmyulost: