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Title: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Freemala Harris on June 20, 2019, 03:42:08 PM
https://twitter.com/lovebscott/status/1141789826552872961

https://twitter.com/claycane/status/1141425197209346048

Mathew Knowles kept it real on colorism in the music industry and how it affected both Beyoncé and groupmate Kelly Rowland.

via Variety:

In the interview with "The Clay Cane Show" on SiriusXM Urban View, Knowles said he taught a college class that did its own research study on "colorism" in music spanning a period of 15 years and found that, "overwhelmingly," light-skinned black women fared better than darker-toned divas, especially at Top 40 radio. Among the beneficiaries of the perceived bias cited by Knowles or Cane were Alicia Keys, Mariah Carey, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj and Beyonce.

"In the music industry there's still segregation," said Knowles. "Programmers, especially at pop radio, have this imagery of what beauty looks like. ... If you look back even at Whitney Houston, if you look at those photos, how they lightened her to make her look lighter-complexioned ... Because there's a perception and a colorism: the lighter that you are, the smarter and more economically (advantaged)... There's a perception all around the world about color — even with black folks, there's a perception."

Asked by Cane if that prejudice toward lighter tones had any impact on Beyonce's career, Knowles said, "I think she would have had — I think it would've affected her success. And I use Kelly Rowland as an example. She's a great example. But you know, the great thing is, Kelly did exceptional outside of America, especially in Australia. Kelly sold over 4 million records. She just got off-script."

Rowland has addressed the issue in the past. In 2013, in an interview with Cnikky.com, she acknowledge a period of insecurity about her look — even as it was coveted by many of her fans and admirers — and said, "You know what, I had great women in my life to help me overcome that. I remember I went through a period where I didn't embrace my 'chocolatiness.'" Rowland attributed her change of attitude in part to a conversation with Beyonce's mother, Tina Knowles.

This isn't new information, but at least he's continuing the conversation surrounding colorism and the entertainment industry.
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: BAPHOMET. on June 20, 2019, 03:47:05 PM
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does he have some kinda VENDETTA against Bey at this point ? 
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on June 20, 2019, 03:47:39 PM
Yeah I know colorism is a thing

.... But Matthew. You PURPOSELY put Bey in front :dead: 

Plus the other girls didn't have 'it'
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: LOONA. on June 20, 2019, 03:48:17 PM
It didn't

Talent prevailed  
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on June 20, 2019, 03:48:25 PM
Quote from: Faux Darius. on June 20, 2019, 03:47:05 PM
HJHJJHJHJHJHHJHJJH

does he have some kinda VENDETTA against Bey at this point ?
!!!

I think he has ego issues and still pissed she's not kissing his ass

:kii:
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Bentley. HARRIS! on June 20, 2019, 03:50:21 PM
sssssssss
.. and didn't he play the most into it
never saw him ushering Kelly to the front :plzstop:

and Kelly was a really bad example anyway :dead:
he'd have to name a darker skinned woman who was just as talented as Bey

I'm all for a Bey lashing, but to basically say alot of his daughter's success is because she's light ... mess  :plzstop:
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: BAPHOMET. on June 20, 2019, 03:50:25 PM
Quote from: Ton on June 20, 2019, 03:48:25 PM
Quote from: Faux Darius. on June 20, 2019, 03:47:05 PM
HJHJJHJHJHJHHJHJJH

does he have some kinda VENDETTA against Bey at this point ?
!!!

I think he has ego issues and still pissed she's not kissing his ass

:kii:
do you know how GROSS this is?  :plzstop: this is like... his second or third time doing an interview on this subject about Bey.

What kinda HATE tour? i know Bey and Solange want him fucking DEAD
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: RAY7 on June 20, 2019, 03:51:23 PM
I don't think there's an issue with what he said 
her look obviously helped her and her talent pushed her to the top
along with her drive, focus and determination 
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Kalifornia. on June 20, 2019, 03:56:10 PM
It's true, but he played a part in it as well. Placing Bey in the middle and making the other girls tan.

I can't take anything this snake says seriously
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: THE_FIRST_LADY on June 20, 2019, 03:56:53 PM
 :mmyulost: mya and faith are light, but there was a time when brandy and mary j. blige were more successful than them...
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Boomz on June 20, 2019, 03:57:16 PM
Ok...but why is he saying this NOW? :uhh:
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: RAY7 on June 20, 2019, 03:58:08 PM
Bey became the lead in Girls Tyme btw before Mathew became the manager 
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: BAPHOMET. on June 20, 2019, 04:01:16 PM
Could anyone HONESTLY see Bey being a background gorl and LaTavia in the FRONT mess? 
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Murrah on June 20, 2019, 04:01:45 PM
None of you are considering how many equally or far better-talented artist who've gone unsigned because they were a darker hue.
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: RAY7 on June 20, 2019, 04:05:00 PM
Quote from: Murrah on June 20, 2019, 04:01:45 PM
None of you are considering how many equally or far better-talented artist who've gone unsigned because they were a darker hue.
names
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: BAPHOMET. on June 20, 2019, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: 89 on June 20, 2019, 04:05:00 PM
Quote from: Murrah on June 20, 2019, 04:01:45 PM
None of you are considering how many equally or far better-talented artist who've gone unsigned because they were a darker hue.
names

yea MurrAIDS .. I want names
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: THE_FIRST_LADY on June 20, 2019, 04:10:03 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bd/2c/d5/bd2cd5dd22b0c569a871ffeaeda217d7.jpg)

:mmyulost:
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Murrah on June 20, 2019, 04:16:15 PM
Quote from: Faux Darius. on June 20, 2019, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: 89 on June 20, 2019, 04:05:00 PM
Quote from: Murrah on June 20, 2019, 04:01:45 PM
None of you are considering how many equally or far better-talented artist who've gone unsigned because they were a darker hue.
names

yea MurrAIDS .. I want names
:uhh: That's the problem. We don't know their names.


If she's a dark-skinned woman, and she's not serving Neo soul like Ledisi and India.Arie. She's never getting signed. How many dark skinned artists are being signed and given a proper push? (Dawn, J.Hud, Fantasia, Alexandar Burke were all discovered on reality tv shows.)
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: GLOCK on June 20, 2019, 04:19:28 PM
But Matt 

bby.. u are the culprit behind a lot of the DC colorist drama :uhh: 
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: GLOCK on June 20, 2019, 04:20:59 PM
Quote from: Yea. I'm Back. on June 20, 2019, 03:50:21 PM
sssssssss
.. and didn't he play the most into it
never saw him ushering Kelly to the front :plzstop:

and Kelly was a really bad example anyway :dead:
he'd have to name a darker skinned woman who was just as talented as Bey

I'm all for a Bey lashing, but to basically say alot of his daughter's success is because she's light ... mess  :plzstop:
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He's tryna mess it seems

Kelly wasn't a contender

Period..
She sucked then and she really sucks now
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: LOONA. on June 20, 2019, 04:21:38 PM
You know what...fck it

Someone gun Mathew down already     

Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: BahianSands on June 20, 2019, 04:28:18 PM
This passive aggression towards bey because he can't make coins of her anymore. :mmyulost:
He was loving the light skin coins when he was her manager. 
He purposely does this to bring attention to his flop books and because she left him for dead and flourished. 
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: CHOKE on June 20, 2019, 04:36:44 PM
 :rudone:
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Gilgamesh. on June 20, 2019, 04:53:53 PM
Quote from: Boomer, LLC on June 20, 2019, 03:57:16 PM
Ok...but why is he saying this NOW? :uhh:
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Gilgamesh. on June 20, 2019, 04:54:56 PM
He must have a book or something coming out.

Young didn't you stan for his lil group? 
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Lane Bryant Jumpsuit on June 20, 2019, 05:19:52 PM
I dont see lisghtskin in her case

Yes ppul have these crazy perceptions but

Alicia keys is half white
Mariah is half white

White ppul relate to this alot more

Bey is simply lightskin and had her own set of challenges when she acknowledges her blackness
Unlike michael she stands behind it isntead of just talkin shit

Nehoo

There are plenty of light and fairskin flops

Cassie
Tinashe
Monica lol

And plenty of darker or brown successes

Brandy
Tlc
India arie


Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: GLOCK on June 20, 2019, 05:21:36 PM
Monica isn't a flop, SLOP.
shes peaked and had a great successful career 
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: ssw4919 on June 20, 2019, 05:27:08 PM
I think Kelly would have done better if she did more R&B right after Dilemma instead of what they gave her to sing.
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Freemala Harris on June 20, 2019, 05:30:38 PM
I honestly think quee should give a full dance mess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zudbz4hOcbc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwfKZ-1jyiw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcMh3EujSu0

This Eurodance goddess

(https://i.ibb.co/HtJz4Ww/material.gif)
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Lane Bryant Jumpsuit on June 20, 2019, 06:27:38 PM
Quote from: MONTANNA on June 20, 2019, 05:21:36 PM
Monica isn't a flop, SLOP.
shes peaked and had a great successful career

Well her and bey came put around the same time

How come her ligjtskin aint keepin ha  at the top
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: THE_FIRST_LADY on June 20, 2019, 06:33:15 PM
 :mmyulost:  when did monica become LIGHT SKINNED?
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Opposites Attract. on June 20, 2019, 06:35:01 PM
Kelly is definitely talented but he stunted her from reaching her full potential by not instilling the same confidence and belief in her that he did with Bey. It was his fault.  

Past Trauma last some people a life time. 
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: LOONA. on June 20, 2019, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: THE_FIRST_LADY on June 20, 2019, 06:33:15 PM
:mmyulost:  when did monica become LIGHT SKINNED?

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Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: THE_FIRST_LADY on June 20, 2019, 06:37:21 PM
Quote from: LOONA. on June 20, 2019, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: THE_FIRST_LADY on June 20, 2019, 06:33:15 PM
:mmyulost:  when did monica become LIGHT SKINNED?

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Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Freemala Harris on June 20, 2019, 06:38:27 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwhHY4fHlSD/
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: BAPHOMET. on June 20, 2019, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: LOONA. on June 20, 2019, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: THE_FIRST_LADY on June 20, 2019, 06:33:15 PM
:mmyulost:  when did monica become LIGHT SKINNED?

gfffdx
:plzstop:
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: THE_FIRST_LADY on June 20, 2019, 06:40:15 PM
Quote from: Faux Darius. on June 20, 2019, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: LOONA. on June 20, 2019, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: THE_FIRST_LADY on June 20, 2019, 06:33:15 PM
:mmyulost:  when did monica become LIGHT SKINNED?

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:plzstop:

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Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: RAY7 on June 20, 2019, 06:45:21 PM
Quote from: QUÉÉN. on June 20, 2019, 06:35:01 PM
Kelly is definitely talented but he stunted her from reaching her full potential by not instilling the same confidence and belief in her that he did with Bey. It was his fault. 

Past Trauma last some people a life time.
Her mom should've done it then. She was in her life
This excuse of Mathew supporting his own daughter is BS
Solange is hasn't accomplished half of even what Kelly has and she's his daughter too
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: oph. on June 20, 2019, 06:50:29 PM
(https://pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/kelly-rowland-beyonce-troll-beyhive-ftr.jpg)
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Cartierline on June 20, 2019, 07:07:56 PM
Kelly (or any of the other DC girls) just didn't have the same DRIVE that Bey did.

Sure Bey had the backing of Mathew and the (alleged) benefit of being light-skinned but her attitude would have made her a star in any situation imho.
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Opposites Attract. on June 20, 2019, 07:36:01 PM
Quote from: 89 on June 20, 2019, 06:45:21 PM
Quote from: QUÉÉN. on June 20, 2019, 06:35:01 PM
Kelly is definitely talented but he stunted her from reaching her full potential by not instilling the same confidence and belief in her that he did with Bey. It was his fault. 

Past Trauma last some people a life time.
Her mom should've done it then. She was in her life
This excuse of Mathew supporting his own daughter is BS
Solange is hasn't accomplished half of even what Kelly has and she's his daughter too

Her Mom was a damn servant and I personally think Solo wasn't really serious about being a Solo artist until Hadley Street.
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Kaeli. on June 20, 2019, 07:46:49 PM
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Is this why he had Kelly singing those corny pop chunes on her debut
Title: Re: Mathew Knowles Speaks On How Colorism Affected Kelly, Bey, & Others' Careers
Post by: Lane Bryant Jumpsuit on June 20, 2019, 08:52:05 PM
Quote from: THE_FIRST_LADY on June 20, 2019, 06:33:15 PM
:mmyulost:  when did monica become LIGHT SKINNED?

I see her and bey around the same complexion guess u have to be mixed to get  it these days

Light monica brown i guess :dead: