I've been having this debate within my little clique. And i wonder where y'all stand on this.
Here are some of the points that were raised
1. Nobody gave or gives a fuck about mashonda. Its not like her and swizz were a brad and jen mess. As wrong as alicia was I don't feel that was the catalyst in her demise. It was her holier than thou act that clive crafted for her. Same way he did it for whitney. But we still rocked with whitney after her messy truth was revealed. So why not alicia?
2. Comparing alicia to angelina. My argument was that angelina always been a rebel / bad girl. Stealing a man was right up her alley :letsmessfag:
3. Someone else said did her image take a hit or did the music just become boring after she parted ways with Krucial? Girl On Fire and Unthinkable were still big hits fot her, but were the albums still up to par with her 1st 3? I don't think I even made through the snippets of her last one.
4. Another person said "In Common" was actually a really good song. Most of us agree...but at the same time it doesn't fit into where radio is now. No reason why alicia can't still push out hits in a time where ella, sza, queen naija etc are lashing on mainstream urban radio.
What do you think is the issue? :ATLcameo:
She just got played out like so many other artists do. Simple.
I honestly think that besides the folks who live on the internet don't even know of the Mashonda situation. And the ones who DO blow it out of proportion. So it doesn't have an effect on her chart performance. Every major star eventually falls. She had a great run, it was just her time
This isn't an ashanti or keyshia cole tea.
Alicia was a fucking force before the swizz mess.
She put 90% of her heart in bring a wife and 10% in her music.
She's boring. All she can do is play a piano and she's strictly r & b and r & b faded off the charts.
Lady gaga can play a piano and dance on top of that with better vocals. Who needs ascreecha homewrecking ass. She was always overrated to me.
I knew the bitch wasnt shit when she used bey for that collab and then refused to release the video when her stiff ass got outperformed.
It's the music. While I still enjoy a good amout of it, it definitely doesn't hit like it used to.
I mean... do yall fucking remember the first time you heard Unbreakable or Unthinkable on the radio?? You know it was a hit ITTTmmediately!
That's like asking what happened to Norah Jones? Weren't they both huge at the same time?
The quality of music she put out declined imo.
Quote from: BowDown on July 30, 2019, 09:23:12 AM
That's like asking what happened to Norah Jones? Weren't they both huge at the same time?
When was norah turning out hit singles and dominating radio?
Asking what happened to Norah would be like asking what happened to dido or susan boyle. R u ok?
Quote from: Sleī Gets ACTĪVE on July 30, 2019, 09:31:15 AM
Quote from: BowDown on July 30, 2019, 09:23:12 AM
That's like asking what happened to Norah Jones? Weren't they both huge at the same time?
When was norah turning out hit singles and dominating radio?
Asking what happened to Norah would be like asking what happened to dido or susan boyle. R u ok?
She came to mind because she played the piano and people followed them both because they were intrigued by female prodigies.
Quote from: BowDown on July 30, 2019, 09:34:56 AM
Quote from: Sleī Gets ACTĪVE on July 30, 2019, 09:31:15 AM
Quote from: BowDown on July 30, 2019, 09:23:12 AM
That's like asking what happened to Norah Jones? Weren't they both huge at the same time?
When was norah turning out hit singles and dominating radio?
Asking what happened to Norah would be like asking what happened to dido or susan boyle. R u ok?
She came to mind because she played the piano and people followed them both because they were intrigued by female prodigies.
Pls. Alicia was a RnB artist.
Norah never made it out of adult radio.
Upon further research, Norah had a whole diamond album and won a shit ton of Grammys and they were around the same time. They had similar hype hun. :butwait!:
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Thats like saying norah n britney have the same audience
She can bounce back if she reconnect with Kruical Keys. She only had one underperforming album.
Quote from: Sleī Gets ACTĪVE on July 30, 2019, 09:41:02 AM
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Thats like saying norah n britney have the same audience
I'm not saying they have the same audience but they had similar hype. And actually, Alicia and Norah kind of did have similar audiences. The Grammy audience being both their biggest supporters..
With black women failing to see success with slower songs in the past, now would be a smart hom time for her to come back because they're getting a fair shake with ballads and love songs again. She could've definitely had HER's song best part.
Idk if she cares about being a traditional artist nowadays tho. And she ain't giving me ageless vet teas like others who've been in the game just as long
I never saw Alicia as having a "fall" per se
If you classify Alicia's decrease as a fall, then you'd have to apply it to Bey and Rih too
I just think her focus shifted
She wasn't holier than thou, it's just unlike her peers, she was supposed to have integrity. A woman of substance, "Superwoman". She committed a huge crime in the eyes of her core audience.
The same thing would happen if J.Hud or Janelle Monae did that today.
People also wised up that her vocals were lacking.
Quote from: Bentley. A Moderator. on July 30, 2019, 09:48:56 AM
I never saw Alicia as having a "fall" per se
If you classify Alicia's decrease as a fall, then you'd have to apply it to Bey and Rih too
I just think her focus shifted
Bey fell like alicia?
What the fuck?
Her lives performances were a fool and the music wasn't HITTING like it used to. PERIOD.
Quote from: Bentley. A Moderator. on July 30, 2019, 09:48:56 AM
I never saw Alicia as having a "fall" per se
If you classify Alicia's decrease as a fall, then you'd have to apply it to Bey and Rih too
I just think her focus shifted
Boy! You're just saying anything at this point.
I don't think the Mashonda thing mattered to that many people tbh
i think it was a mixture of
- the music getting shittier upon each release
- her pretentious act in a more love & hip hop/badgalriri type climate
- the decline of R&B in general (she actually lasted quite longer than the other girls)
I think she's a big enough name to make a lite comeback if she put her makeup back on and put out some good shit
Quote from: Kaeli. on July 30, 2019, 12:38:10 PM
I think she's a big enough name to make a lite comeback if she put her makeup back on
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Quote from: Sleī Gets ACTĪVE on July 30, 2019, 12:40:15 PM
Quote from: Kaeli. on July 30, 2019, 12:38:10 PM
I think she's a big enough name to make a lite comeback if she put her makeup back on
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she did get blah after she became affiliated with swizz beats.
I also don't think people like Femme Alicia. When she was a sexy stud singing about a "man" she was in a league of her own.
Quote from: Murrah on July 30, 2019, 10:41:45 PM
I also don't think people like Femme Alicia. When she was a sexy stud singing about a "man" she was in a league of her own.
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She became femme?
:diddraispoot:
Quote from: Sleī Gets ACTĪVE on July 30, 2019, 09:41:02 AM
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Thats like saying norah n britney have the same audience
As usual, she's fucking clueless and just rambling.
And I think the music just got bad as she continued to put out albums. "The Element of Freedom" was NOT good at all, and then she comes out with "Girl On Fire" and that was also a dud and I didnt even bother with that last one.
Girl on fire is actually the first album I've listen to her in full. Other folks I tend to get into when their buzz dies down.
Quote from: Kaeli. on July 30, 2019, 12:38:10 PM
I don't think the Mashonda thing mattered to that many people tbh
i think it was a mixture of
- the music getting shittier upon each release
- her pretentious act in a more love & hip hop/badgalriri type climate
- the decline of R&B in general (she actually lasted quite longer than the other girls)
I think she's a big enough name to make a lite comeback if she put her makeup back on and put out some good shit
Quote from: jtwoeleven on July 30, 2019, 10:50:57 PM
Girl on fire is actually the first album I've listen to her in full. Other folks I tend to get into when their buzz dies down.
Same here!!
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
I think back in the 2000s when her main competition was Beyonce people thought Alicia was the better singer just because she played piano and seemed pretentious. Once the jig was up I think people were over it. Love her though
Ever since she got pregnant and became a mother, things havent been the same. She became corny. Image wise, she used to be the hip, cool girl every young girl wanted to be. She was classy and the kinda artist parents would like for their daughters to listen to and emulate. I remember in high school, every girl LOVED Alicia and wanted to do their braids just like her, etc. Once the Girl On Fire era rolled around and she had her baby and got married, she just wasnt the same person anymore understandably.
The first thing she would have to do for me is an image overhaul. All this no make up, all natural look shit was late. And then her singing songs about Blended Family and shit. No one wants to hear that.
We lost this Alicia during the As I Am era:
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/08/15/article-0-02482F3000000578-327_468x637.jpg)
(http://www.calabriansmostfamous.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/alicia_keys1.jpg)
And now we're stuck with Auntie Moore:
(https://static.hiphopdx.com/2019/01/190115-alicia-keys-getty-800x600.jpg)
Aside from all of this, her music has been on a decline since the Element of Freedom. And the only real big hit she had from As I Am was No One.
Some people say vocal decline
This birl icon tho>
It's mostly musical
Most of her recent stuff just doesn't connect. In common is awesome but the rest of the album is spoken word over a piano
Like ... what're u doing?
Quote from: 1RIG on July 30, 2019, 11:40:55 PM
It's mostly musical
Most of her recent stuff just doesn't connect. In common is awesome but the rest of the album is spoken word over a piano
Like ... what're u doing?
sorry but she was a fucking fool for that album
Lemonade! Girl get on
Quote from: Freeruu on July 30, 2019, 11:25:26 PM
Some people say vocal decline
This birl icon tho>
She's been sounding a hot mess live since her sophomore tho.
Her mtv live mess is a joke :plzstop:
Empire State Of Mind threw her a curve ball when she was struggling to get a hit ... I honestly believe if she put out a dope rnb love song she could slide back in.
Quote from: 1RIG on July 30, 2019, 11:40:55 PM
It's mostly musical
Most of her recent stuff just doesn't connect. In common is awesome but the rest of the album is spoken word over a piano
Like ... what're u doing?
And you can't be out here looking a mess, sounding a mess and releasing elevator music :dead:
Like Sle said, she's sounded a mess for a good 50% of her career but at least the music was good and she was giving the girls dyke pilates instructor tea
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on July 31, 2019, 02:46:07 AM
And you can't be out here looking a mess, sounding a mess and releasing elevator music :dead:
Like Sle said, she's sounded a mess for a good 50% of her career but at least the music was good and she was giving the girls dyke pilates instructor tea
!!!! And the novelty of her playing piano wore off a long time ago. It was a cute gimmick mess, but the girls realized she ain't THAT great at it, and HER and many others can play a shit ton of instruments on a higher level.
It's like ok, now what else u got?
The pop songs that she choose as first singles did her wrong since 2009.
"No One" was the exception that tricked her.
"Doesnt Mean Anything" has to be the worst first single of her career after "Girl On Fire".
Too Pop for her core..
She knew that when she released "GOF".. that's why she did the lazy "adult version", but it wasn't enough.
She was an album seller..and she started doing thoses lazy pop singles.. and it killed her.
"Unthinkable" was her last REAL hit..an real urban smash..
otherwise, she cant choose a good single..
"In Common, is a nice track but it just doesn't fit her main audience radio wise which is now UAC- Urban Cross Over.
She needs to find the righ ttrack.. the song that we be a BIG hit at UAC and then cross over Urban and Rhytmic..
I don't think that she's OVER OVER.. because her formula is the "basiest" one.
Piano + Voice..is simple but can work in every era.
even by mistake, one day, she can have the right song and it will help her to get a gold album..
nothing more..
She's arriving 40..
Gospel album, Jazz album, etc.. it's what's coming next for her..
(sorry for my english)
Her first couple of albums are classics
Quote from: Omi on July 31, 2019, 04:20:02 AM
Her first couple of albums are classics
The 3 first one are!!!
Quote from: Legendy on July 31, 2019, 04:14:25 AM
The pop songs that she choose as first singles did her wrong since 2009.
"No One" was the exception that tricked her.
"Doesnt Mean Anything" has to be the worst first single of her career after "Girl On Fire".
Too Pop for her core..
She knew that when she released "GOF".. that's why she did the lazy "adult version", but it wasn't enough.
She was an album seller..and she started doing thoses lazy pop singles.. and it killed her.
"Unthinkable" was her last REAL hit..an real urban smash..
otherwise, she cant choose a good single..
"In Common, is a nice track but it just doesn't fit her main audience radio wise which is now UAC- Urban Cross Over.
She needs to find the righ ttrack.. the song that we be a BIG hit at UAC and then cross over Urban and Rhytmic..
I don't think that she's OVER OVER.. because her formula is the "basiest" one.
Piano + Voice..is simple but can work in every era.
even by mistake, one day, she can have the right song and it will help her to get a gold album..
nothing more..
She's arriving 40..
Gospel album, Jazz album, etc.. it's what's coming next for her..
(sorry for my english)
ajusting!
Quote from: Legendy on July 31, 2019, 04:22:53 AM
Quote from: Legendy on July 31, 2019, 04:14:25 AM
The pop songs that she choose as first singles did her wrong since 2009.
"No One" was the exception that tricked her.
"Doesnt Mean Anything" has to be the worst first single of her career after "Girl On Fire".
Too Pop for her core..
She knew that when she released "GOF".. that's why she did the lazy "adult version", but it wasn't enough.
She was an album seller..and she started doing thoses lazy pop singles.. and it killed her.
"Unthinkable" was her last REAL hit..an real urban smash..
otherwise, she cant choose a good single..
"In Common, is a nice track but it just doesn't fit her main audience radio wise which is now UAC- Urban Cross Over.
She needs to find the righ ttrack.. the song that we be a BIG hit at UAC and then cross over Urban and Rhytmic..
I don't think that she's OVER OVER.. because her formula is the "basiest" one.
Piano + Voice..is simple but can work in every era.
even by mistake, one day, she can have the right song and it will help her to get a gold album..
nothing more..
She's arriving 40..
Gospel album, Jazz album, etc.. it's what's coming next for her..
(sorry for my english)
ajusting!
totally agree
If she transitioned to UAC she'd def see some success
She's always been UAC with her content...but even there they aren't touching her mess.
She needs a producer or writer to come in and help her with a new perspective.
Ppl don't realize how much Krucial and Erika Rose contributed to her material.
I'm actually shocked that erika is her manager instead of her A&R. And that Erika gave up being an artist all together.
She needs someone like raphael saadiq or D'wayne Wiggins to step in and help her find herself again.
Quote from: Sleī Gets ACTĪVE on July 31, 2019, 04:32:23 AM
She's always been UAC with her content...but even there they aren't touching her mess.
She needs a producer or writer to come in and help her with a new perspective.
Ppl don't realize how much Krucial and Erika Rose contributed to her material.
I'm actually shocked that erika is her manager instead of her A&R. And that Erika gave up being an artist all together.
She needs someone like raphael saadiq or D'wayne Wiggins to step in and help her find herself again.
She can do wonderful things with Raphael. I agree.
I saw that she was in studio with Emily King, which makes me laugh. You remember that when Emily started, they wanted to sell her as "the nu alicia keys"..
Alicia must be a lil bit desperate to work with her now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_4OxzINIaE
I hope she will give her the right songs.
Quote from: Ntwadumela on July 30, 2019, 09:08:53 AM
She just got played out like so many other artists do. Simple.
!!!!
So did her voice
Quote from: Sleī Gets ACTĪVE on July 31, 2019, 04:32:23 AM
She's always been UAC with her content...but even there they aren't touching her mess.
She needs a producer or writer to come in and help her with a new perspective.
Ppl don't realize how much Krucial and Erika Rose contributed to her material.
I'm actually shocked that erika is her manager instead of her A&R. And that Erika gave up being an artist all together.
She needs someone like raphael saadiq or D'wayne Wiggins to step in and help her find herself again.
>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Raphael Saadiq would be PERFECT for the kind of artist she is.
Music became stagnant as hell (not that it was ever amazing to begin with).
Quote from: Genesis2 on July 30, 2019, 09:55:26 AM
Quote from: Bentley. A Moderator. on July 30, 2019, 09:48:56 AM
I never saw Alicia as having a "fall" per se
If you classify Alicia's decrease as a fall, then you'd have to apply it to Bey and Rih too
I just think her focus shifted
Bey fell like alicia?
What the fuck?
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you're perception doesn't matter bby sis
you can't book her on sales or influence or talent as an artist
she clearly declined, but all artist do
and she's clearly taken a step back musically so there's really no FALL
Alicia could be out doing movies and making product lines as well
why did you even need me to explain this to you? :plzstop: :plzstop:
Alicia definitely fell and HARD.
And tbh she hasn't really recovered. What's she doing now? Hosting The Voice?
I mean Gaga went from selling 15 mil with The Fame to struggling to go Gold with Joanne, but between ASIB and her mess with Tony Bennett she's making a comeback.
Alicia just fizzled owt
Most female R&B artists lose momentum by their 3rd album anyways. Toni, Brandy, Monica, Ashanti, etc etc. Even the Pop girls too like Christina, Katy, GaGa. This was inevitable. No one (aside from a couple girls) stay on top 4ever.
what momentum did Toni lose during the heat?
besides Alicia's 3rd album was huge
I think he means after the 3rd album they fizzle which is true with everyone mentioned. It almost happen to Bey before she switched it up
Quote from: Cade on July 31, 2019, 04:50:21 PM
I think he means after the 3rd album they fizzle which is true with everyone mentioned. It almost happen to Bey before she switched it up
not even remotely close
4 outsold all the pop girls albums released that year minus adele and gonzo.
And that for an album that was leaked 5 weeks before the release date.
Quote from: Legendy on July 31, 2019, 04:14:25 AM
The pop songs that she choose as first singles did her wrong since 2009.
"No One" was the exception that tricked her.
"Doesnt Mean Anything" has to be the worst first single of her career after "Girl On Fire".
Too Pop for her core..
She knew that when she released "GOF".. that's why she did the lazy "adult version", but it wasn't enough.
She was an album seller..and she started doing thoses lazy pop singles.. and it killed her.
"Unthinkable" was her last REAL hit..an real urban smash..
otherwise, she cant choose a good single..
"In Common, is a nice track but it just doesn't fit her main audience radio wise which is now UAC- Urban Cross Over.
She needs to find the righ ttrack.. the song that we be a BIG hit at UAC and then cross over Urban and Rhytmic..
I don't think that she's OVER OVER.. because her formula is the "basiest" one.
Piano + Voice..is simple but can work in every era.
even by mistake, one day, she can have the right song and it will help her to get a gold album..
nothing more..
She's arriving 40..
Gospel album, Jazz album, etc.. it's what's coming next for her..
(sorry for my english)
i just want you to know ain't NOBODY reading thru this "I never graduated elementary" illiterate disaster
Quote from: Legendy on July 31, 2019, 04:22:53 AM
Quote from: Legendy on July 31, 2019, 04:14:25 AM
The pop songs that she choose as first singles did her wrong since 2009.
"No One" was the exception that tricked her.
"Doesnt Mean Anything" has to be the worst first single of her career after "Girl On Fire".
Too Pop for her core..
She knew that when she released "GOF".. that's why she did the lazy "adult version", but it wasn't enough.
She was an album seller..and she started doing thoses lazy pop singles.. and it killed her.
"Unthinkable" was her last REAL hit..an real urban smash..
otherwise, she cant choose a good single..
"In Common, is a nice track but it just doesn't fit her main audience radio wise which is now UAC- Urban Cross Over.
She needs to find the righ ttrack.. the song that we be a BIG hit at UAC and then cross over Urban and Rhytmic..
I don't think that she's OVER OVER.. because her formula is the "basiest" one.
Piano + Voice..is simple but can work in every era.
even by mistake, one day, she can have the right song and it will help her to get a gold album..
nothing more..
She's arriving 40..
Gospel album, Jazz album, etc.. it's what's coming next for her..
(sorry for my english)
ajusting!
You're English has improved DRASTICALLY! Good job
Too me her vocals declined. Her music is just boring and for me the final nail in the coffine was being a homewrecker...
The vocals are not helping her case one bit. At least keep it cute in the studio gorl.
I saw the video still image of in common and :ruaided:
I'm nit clicking that mess. That no make up shit is really the final straw.