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Title: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: HUGO on February 28, 2020, 09:38:54 AM
Let's get into it...

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Title: Re: Deep Discussion: Does phobia = preference?
Post by: BAPHOMET. on February 28, 2020, 09:41:22 AM
Blacks are just ..,, objgjvhxchhccchjgfjfjchchh

The entire conversation 
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: HUGO on February 28, 2020, 09:41:28 AM
These comments

:ohwow:
Title: Re: Deep Discussion: Does phobia = preference?
Post by: Gilgamesh. on February 28, 2020, 09:42:32 AM
First of all, Balleralert could care less about this dicussion they just want traffic to their blog :dead:

I'll post my thoughts a lil later...
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: HUGO on February 28, 2020, 09:47:32 AM
Black women can be very hypocritical sometimes imo.
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Eh... on February 28, 2020, 10:05:28 AM
Phobia = an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion

People who say it's a preference but can't explain why I assume it's a phobia for the simple fact they keep referring to bisexual men as DL (not saying they have to explain to anyone but they should be able to). DL men consider themselves straight but sneak around with men "on the DL". Bisexual men aren't sneaking, if they are with a man they are with a man if they are with a woman they are with a woman. The reason I consider it a phobia bc they say "well I don't want a man who wants the same thing I want" but as a bisexual man I've never wanted a dick in my life but bc I've been with men that's the thought process when it comes to that. It's funny bc they'll say stuff like I don't want to have to worry about competing with women let alone women and men but there's a bigger underlining issues if you are worried about me cheating with anyone anyway.

I will never agree with needing to share that I'm bi immediately bc why would it matter for the simple fact that who I hooked up with before you is irrelevant if I'm only pursuing you. And I'll never understand gay guys that say it's wrong to not tell immediately bc if I get with a guy I don't tell them and there's no issue with that but it's an issue if I don't immediately tell women 🤦🏾‍♂️. I do believe it's wrong to not tell them when you all get serious bc it'll probably come back to bite you in the butt if you never mention it.
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Eh... on February 28, 2020, 10:10:07 AM
Tldr: I believe a lot of it stems from a phobia but at the same time not everyone is bi-phobic. Bisexuality is misunderstood by a lot of people especially black women bc they look at men as sexual beings so bisexuals are just out here fucking everybody in their minds or they believe men can't be bisexual if they get with men they want a man and are only pretending to like women
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Bentley. HARRIS! on February 28, 2020, 10:18:54 AM
this is tough

cause some women won't date a man that has slept with loose women, it turns them off

I still think it falls under preference, but their attitude about gays in general and the emasculating DOES happen without them dating them.

As a human being you have to be truly happy with yourself

like me... if I come across a person that's not interested in an extremely handsome, insanely talented, immensely creative, very intelligent, ambitious entrepreneur-ed up cocoa King with BODY ... well... their loss

basically I feel like too many ppl spend too much time tryna convince ppl to buy what they're selling.
If ppl are missing out on something, then they'll have to figure that out themselves.

I no longer have time to worry bout it
(https://i.imgur.com/fMeXori.gif)
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: HUGO on February 28, 2020, 10:30:17 AM
Quote from: Eh... on February 28, 2020, 10:05:28 AM
DL men consider themselves straight but sneak around with men "on the DL". Bisexual men aren't sneaking, if they are with a man they are with a man if they are with a woman they are with a woman.
!!!
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: HUGO on February 28, 2020, 10:31:28 AM
I just don't like the double standard as how women are free to be experimental With their sexuality  yet men can't. It's late
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: GLOCK on February 28, 2020, 10:35:23 AM
I wouldn't say anyone is wrong here 
I can't say I want to date someone who has a whorish past  so someone not wanting to date someone because they are  bi  doesn't give me phobia 

It gives me limited thinking 
now If they are bashing and such Yes it's phobia 
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: GLOCK on February 28, 2020, 10:35:58 AM
Quote from: Hugo on February 28, 2020, 10:31:28 AM
I just don't like the double standard as how women are free to be experimental With their sexuality  yet men can't. It's late
well men are allowed to be hoes.. women aren't
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Eh... on February 28, 2020, 10:43:47 AM
Quote from: Bentley. THE Moderator. on February 28, 2020, 10:18:54 AM

basically I feel like too many ppl spend too much time tryna convince ppl to buy what they're selling.
If ppl are missing out on something, then they'll have to figure that out themselves.

I no longer have time to worry bout it
(https://i.imgur.com/fMeXori.gif)

!!!!
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: REALucid on February 28, 2020, 11:34:20 AM
Quote from: Hugo on February 28, 2020, 10:31:28 AM
I just don't like the double standard as how women are free to be experimental With their sexuality  yet men can't. It's late
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: REALucid on February 28, 2020, 11:38:16 AM
https://twitter.com/sunnydaejones/status/1232397315748614144?s=21

This was a good thread
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on February 28, 2020, 11:38:45 AM
Quote from: Hugo on February 28, 2020, 10:31:28 AM
I just don't like the double standard as how women are free to be experimental With their sexuality  yet men can't. It's late
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: wizzy on February 28, 2020, 11:45:09 AM
I kinda get it. Its usually rooted in homophobia, doesn't always mean the woman is hateful or vicious towards gays. Not many women realize sexuality can be a spectrum for men also. So they're intolerant of openly bisexual men.
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Eh... on February 28, 2020, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: Gifted. on February 28, 2020, 11:20:41 AM
Ch...

I would never date a Bi man either.

cuz the ones I've come across platonically are the types who will jump ship as soon as they want marriage and chirren.

Lol the biggest issue I'm noticing doesn't seem to be a preference issue it seems to be a trust issue..
Both men and women think bi guys will jump ship as soon as they want something they can't provide women believing "a penis" and guys believing "ability to bare children" it's as if no one thinks a bisexual male has the capability of being faithful
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: REALucid on February 28, 2020, 11:49:51 AM
Quote from: Estelle Ghetto on February 28, 2020, 11:45:09 AM
Not many women realize sexuality can be a spectrum for men also.

I had a discussion about this a while back with a female and she sincerely believed that a woman can be bisexual but a man can't. How can it be possible for one and not the other? Like we're different species or something. It's really interesting.
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Dr Naomi Campbell on February 28, 2020, 11:50:35 AM
Quote from: Eh... on February 28, 2020, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: Gifted. on February 28, 2020, 11:20:41 AM
Ch...

I would never date a Bi man either.

cuz the ones I've come across platonically are the types who will jump ship as soon as they want marriage and chirren.

Lol the biggest issue I'm noticing doesn't seem to be a preference issue it seems to be a trust issue..
Both men and women think bi guys will jump ship as soon as they want something they can't provide women believing "a penis" and guys believing "ability to bare children" it's as if no one thinks a bisexual male has the capability of being faithful
!!!
I think a lot of it stems from "competition" and insecurity
Dating a Bi man may seem like now not only you have to watch out for other women but men too, and women can't compete with men or vice versa.
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: I. Hate. Monica. on February 28, 2020, 11:51:34 AM
Quote from: RealMatic on February 28, 2020, 11:49:51 AM
Quote from: Estelle Ghetto on February 28, 2020, 11:45:09 AM
Not many women realize sexuality can be a spectrum for men also.

I had a discussion about this a while back with a female and she sincerely believed that a woman can be bisexual but a man can't. How can it be possible for one and not the other? Like we're different species or something. It's really interesting.

:wub:
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: I. Hate. Monica. on February 28, 2020, 11:52:33 AM
Do you all think white women would be more excepting of a bisexual partner? 
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: MelMel on February 28, 2020, 11:53:50 AM
Quote from: RealMatic on February 28, 2020, 11:49:51 AM
Quote from: Estelle Ghetto on February 28, 2020, 11:45:09 AM
Not many women realize sexuality can be a spectrum for men also.

I had a discussion about this a while back with a female and she sincerely believed that a woman can be bisexual but a man can't. How can it be possible for one and not the other? Like we're different species or something. It's really interesting.
awww Gramps  :wub:
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: I. Hate. Monica. on February 28, 2020, 11:55:16 AM
Ho
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: MelMel on February 28, 2020, 11:56:10 AM
:uhh:
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Eh... on February 28, 2020, 11:57:35 AM
Quote from: RealMatic on February 28, 2020, 11:49:51 AM
Quote from: Estelle Ghetto on February 28, 2020, 11:45:09 AM
Not many women realize sexuality can be a spectrum for men also.

I had a discussion about this a while back with a female and she sincerely believed that a woman can be bisexual but a man can't. How can it be possible for one and not the other? Like we're different species or something. It's really interesting.

Yeah it seems to be a common mindset for women that if a guy gets with a guy he's just gay and can't possibly be interested in a women. Bisexuality doesn't exist in their mind for men
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: wizzy on February 28, 2020, 11:58:30 AM
I liked when they did this story arc on Insecure. Very accurate and needed discussion.
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: MelMel on February 28, 2020, 11:58:55 AM
but there are gay people who don't believe in bisexuality either. Biphobia and bi-erasure  needs to be stopped
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: I. Hate. Monica. on February 28, 2020, 11:59:27 AM
Quote from: MelMel on February 28, 2020, 11:58:55 AM
but there are gay people who don't believe in bisexuality either. Biphobia and bi-erasure  needs to be stopped
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: wizzy on February 28, 2020, 12:00:12 PM
Quote from: MelMel on February 28, 2020, 11:58:55 AM
but there are gay people who don't believe in bisexuality either. Biphobia and bi-erasure  needs to be stopped
very true. super limited mindset
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Eh... on February 28, 2020, 12:08:13 PM
Quote from: MelMel on February 28, 2020, 11:58:55 AM
but there are gay people who don't believe in bisexuality either. Biphobia and bi-erasure  needs to be stopped

Definitely!!

It always kills me when a gay dude asks someone who says they are bi well when the last time you been with a woman and if his response is longer than like a month or 2 ago then "he must be gay and just afraid to admit it" but if he's only been sleeping with women and it's been over a month or 2 since he's been with a guy no one says well he must be straight and just can't accept it 🤦🏾‍♂️
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: HUGO on February 28, 2020, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: GLOCK on February 28, 2020, 10:35:58 AM
Quote from: Hugo on February 28, 2020, 10:31:28 AM
I just don't like the double standard as how women are free to be experimental With their sexuality  yet men can't. It's late
well men are allowed to be hoes.. women aren't

That too. Which I think is wack af
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Seashell on February 28, 2020, 12:30:33 PM
at the end of the day, it's a woman's right to date who she wants to date. if she's not interested in bi men and a bi man is interested in her, it's his responsibility to disclose his sexuality to her first. what the bigger problem here that no-one wants to discuss outright is the attitude towards LGBT within the Black community period. strides have been made but the community is still not that accepting. if it was, men wouldn't feel the need to hide themselves. there is a stigma against LGBT people in general but it's worse if you're a minority.
i don't think it's okay to throw Black women under the bus because they are the ones who care for Black LGBT the most. not all, but most younger women and a few older ones.
straight black men aren't going to cape for you.
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: HUGO on February 28, 2020, 12:31:45 PM
Quote from: RealMatic on February 28, 2020, 11:38:16 AM
https://twitter.com/sunnydaejones/status/1232397315748614144?s=21

This was a good thread

Wow she made really good points
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: GLOCK on February 28, 2020, 12:32:13 PM
Quote from: zanny on February 28, 2020, 11:52:33 AM
Do you all think white women would be more excepting of a bisexual partner?
:unsure:
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Seashell on February 28, 2020, 12:34:55 PM
Quote from: zanny on February 28, 2020, 11:52:33 AM
Do you all think white women would be more excepting of a bisexual partner?

i think most would be. there are more positive representation for bisexuals within their community compared to our (Black) community therefore their people may understand it more. majority of white people are more accepting for LGBT anyway and it's probably the reason why DL men seem to go for white women.
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: yummy on February 28, 2020, 12:43:04 PM
Debating over what someone else finds attractive is pointless. Date people genuinely who want you and shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Kaeli. on February 28, 2020, 12:46:56 PM
I think women in general merge DL & Bisexual together and that's the real issue here 

but I really don't see why it's a big deal to gays/bi's that a black woman doesn't wanna date one. I mean it's a preference like everything else :udontlookok: 
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Gilgamesh. on February 28, 2020, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: Eh... on February 28, 2020, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: Gifted. on February 28, 2020, 11:20:41 AM
Ch...

I would never date a Bi man either.

cuz the ones I've come across platonically are the types who will jump ship as soon as they want marriage and chirren.

Lol the biggest issue I'm noticing doesn't seem to be a preference issue it seems to be a trust issue..
Both men and women think bi guys will jump ship as soon as they want something they can't provide women believing "a penis" and guys believing "ability to bare children" it's as if no one thinks a bisexual male has the capability of being faithful

Do you think that's a valid concern though?

Cause ultimately I can't give what a woman can (not that I WANT to) but if ole boy says he misses coochie one day, what am I supposed to do? Lol
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Eh... on February 28, 2020, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on February 28, 2020, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: Eh... on February 28, 2020, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: Gifted. on February 28, 2020, 11:20:41 AM
Ch...

I would never date a Bi man either.

cuz the ones I've come across platonically are the types who will jump ship as soon as they want marriage and chirren.

Lol the biggest issue I'm noticing doesn't seem to be a preference issue it seems to be a trust issue..
Both men and women think bi guys will jump ship as soon as they want something they can't provide women believing "a penis" and guys believing "ability to bare children" it's as if no one thinks a bisexual male has the capability of being faithful

Do you think that's a valid concern though?

Cause ultimately I can't give what a woman can (not that I WANT to) but if ole boy says he misses coochie one day, what am I supposed to do? Lol
It's only valid if you are untrusting... If the guy wants you he wants you. If he's gonna cheat he's gonna cheat, if he wants to leave he's gonna leave whether he's gay, straight, or bi. There's always something someone else can offer that you can't but if you are in a relationship you trust your partner not to go after that thing.
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Bentley. HARRIS! on February 28, 2020, 01:14:05 PM
ppl can't grasp Bisexuality for the same reason they can't grasp homosexuality.

They really only see the sexual aspect, especially women who are insecure. Nobody likes to feel like they don't have something their partner might want.

And it does kinda get exhausting with ppl wanting open relationships and polygamy. They want it all. So I do see why ppl take that and go against bisexuality

But the truth of it it, whatever you have between your legs or whatever you get cut off or snapped on, it's not gonna stop ppl like that. These days if ppl have a wandering eye, they won't be happy with any one person.

If a person loves you, they won't feel like they're missing out on a thing

Whew ...
:stressed:
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: REALucid on February 28, 2020, 01:17:14 PM
Quote from: Eh... on February 28, 2020, 01:05:18 PM
Quote from: Gilgamesh. on February 28, 2020, 12:54:25 PM
Quote from: Eh... on February 28, 2020, 11:46:24 AM
Quote from: Gifted. on February 28, 2020, 11:20:41 AM
Ch...

I would never date a Bi man either.

cuz the ones I've come across platonically are the types who will jump ship as soon as they want marriage and chirren.

Lol the biggest issue I'm noticing doesn't seem to be a preference issue it seems to be a trust issue..
Both men and women think bi guys will jump ship as soon as they want something they can't provide women believing "a penis" and guys believing "ability to bare children" it's as if no one thinks a bisexual male has the capability of being faithful

Do you think that's a valid concern though?

Cause ultimately I can't give what a woman can (not that I WANT to) but if ole boy says he misses coochie one day, what am I supposed to do? Lol
It's only valid if you are untrusting... If the guy wants you he wants you. If he's gonna cheat he's gonna cheat, if he wants to leave he's gonna leave whether he's gay, straight, or bi. There's always something someone else can offer that you can't but if you are in a relationship you trust your partner not to go after that thing.

Good points
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: Eh... on February 28, 2020, 01:35:51 PM
Quote from: Seashell on February 28, 2020, 12:30:33 PM
at the end of the day, it's a woman's right to date who she wants to date. if she's not interested in bi men and a bi man is interested in her, it's his responsibility to disclose his sexuality to her first. what the bigger problem here that no-one wants to discuss outright is the attitude towards LGBT within the Black community period. strides have been made but the community is still not that accepting. if it was, men wouldn't feel the need to hide themselves. there is a stigma against LGBT people in general but it's worse if you're a minority.
i don't think it's okay to throw Black women under the bus because they are the ones who care for Black LGBT the most. not all, but most younger women and a few older ones.
straight black men aren't going to cape for you.

I do agree that it's a PERSON'S choice who they date but why is it that you only mention bisexual guys only telling women they are bisexual but not men? If we openly date both why is there so much pressure that we share our sexuality to the women we date immediately but no one cares if we share it with the men we date ever?
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: BAPHOMET. on February 28, 2020, 01:41:18 PM
Quote from: GLOCK on February 28, 2020, 12:32:13 PM
Quote from: zanny on February 28, 2020, 11:52:33 AM
Do you all think white women would be more excepting of a bisexual partner?
:unsure:
:shook:
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: BAPHOMET. on February 28, 2020, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: animmai. on February 28, 2020, 12:43:04 PM
Debating over what someone else finds attractive is pointless. Date people genuinely who want you and shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: LOONA. on February 28, 2020, 05:03:32 PM
Quote from: Kaeli. on February 28, 2020, 12:46:56 PM
I think women in general merge DL & Bisexual together and that's the real issue here
Title: Re: Birl Talk: Does phobia = preference? Will more BLK women end up with DL men....
Post by: LOONA. on February 28, 2020, 05:03:54 PM
And who would willingly want to date someone that's DL? fjjggggjf the fck