like... WHO said gay means you have to pop and twirl and if you dont you must be "in denial" or being "performatively masculine"
like wtf
some of us just are find masulinity (or society's idea of it) sexy. like... i support my fem girls... but im into niggas because im into niggas :uhh:
masc4fem niggas exist and i dont hear nobody complaining about that. some fem girls just get mad when a masc nigga don't want them
keep it tf pushing
right some guys enjoy masculine energy
sometimes its no point if it still feels like ur with a female
not all masculine has to mean butch but its just to eliminate the rainbow queens a lil twist in the wrist is okay tbh
i think masc is honestly a range but for sure its not someone showing up in a lace thong and gum smackin and weave pattiing
I love it
And there's a primal energy to it
Like it really feels like a battle for power and dominance
Quote from: SOUTHSIDE VICIOUS & AMBIGUOUS. on August 09, 2020, 04:17:58 AM
Quote from: WAP on August 09, 2020, 04:17:07 AM
I love it
And there's a primal energy to it
Like it really feels like a battle for power and dominance
ur masc kwee? :disgusted:
Let's roleplay, I'll wear a disguise :trannyjblige:
!!!!
like, if i want a woman i'll get that. and you can tell its just bitterness
cuz it be the same girls trynna give butch! in their profile mess, but sweeter than a tootsie roll in real life.
finger on chin! head tilted back!
girl stop this
The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. :dead:
All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.
Poor us
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:22:19 PM
The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. :dead:
All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.
the "guys next door" would be considered masculine tho bby
and im kinda missing your point because its masc 4 masc the keyword being
4. its literally one person saying what they want for
themselves. so its confusing to me why anyone else would have anything to say about that
unless they were just bitter that they themselves are not whats on the menu. thats the only thing i can think otherwise why do they care? how does it effect them? lol.
personally, if im not someones type, thats a turn off for me lol next-a!
but to complain :uhh:
Quote from: Jayda X on August 09, 2020, 04:29:10 PM
Poor us
n
don't do that king
let's discuss. i want honest thoughts abd perspective. maybe im missing something
Everyone has a preference and that's fine but it becomes toxic when people look down upon femininity.
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:22:19 PM
The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. :dead:
All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.
the "guys next door" would be considered masculine tho bby
and im kinda missing your point because its masc 4 masc the keyword being 4. its literally one person saying what they want for themselves. so its confusing to me why anyone else would have anything to say about that
unless they were just bitter that they themselves are not whats on the menu. thats the only thing i can think otherwise why do they care? how does it effect them? lol.
personally, if im not someones type, thats a turn off for me lol next-a!
but to complain :uhh:
"Guy next door" is much less restrictive, than what "masc4masc" suggests. From what I've noticed, people who say "masc4masc" focus in on the male archetype, what could be considered traits of "toxic" masculinity.
And it's fine if people want that for themselves, but it does become a legitimate issue beyond a certain point where people should just take a step back and really self-evaluate as to why they feel the way they do.
Quote from: TinaSnow on August 09, 2020, 04:36:20 PM
Everyone has a preference and that's fine but it becomes toxic when people look down upon femininity.
but who's making that implication? just because someone prefers masucline me romantically, it doesn't mean they look down upon femenine men
and again, no one makes that argument when it comes to masc4fem. what is that treated as merely a preference but this isn't?
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: TinaSnow on August 09, 2020, 04:36:20 PM
Everyone has a preference and that's fine but it becomes toxic when people look down upon femininity.
but who's making that implication? just because someone prefers masucline me romantically, it doesn't mean they look down upon femenine men
and again, no one makes that argument when it comes to masc4fem. what is that treated as merely a preference but this isn't?
I agree. I didn't take this thread as you looking down, just a general statement.
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:22:19 PM
The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. :dead:
All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.
the "guys next door" would be considered masculine tho bby
and im kinda missing your point because its masc 4 masc the keyword being 4. its literally one person saying what they want for themselves. so its confusing to me why anyone else would have anything to say about that
unless they were just bitter that they themselves are not whats on the menu. thats the only thing i can think otherwise why do they care? how does it effect them? lol.
personally, if im not someones type, thats a turn off for me lol next-a!
but to complain :uhh:
"Guy next door" is much less restrictive, than what "masc4masc" suggests. From what I've noticed, people who say "masc4masc" focus in on the male archetype, what could be considered traits of "toxic" masculinity.
And it's fine if people want that for themselves, but it does become a legitimate issue beyond a certain point where people should just take a step back and really self-evaluate as to why they feel the way they do.
a legitimate issue to whom? why do they need to evaluate why they feel the way that they do? because you dont agree with it? again its their preference
and what exactly are you categorizing as "toxic" exactly? what are the specific traits that you feel are specifically referred to when it comes to masc 4 masc. because for me its mannerisms and speech, etc.
and again that is not saying its bad or wrong to have feminine mannerisms or speech. simply saying it doesn't make
my dick hard.
my thread has nothing to do with what nipsey said
:udontlookok:
ok i dont know why youre so hype
but let me be clear. my statement and stance in no way lends credence or validity to what nipsey said abd i just want to make that plain because it seems like you were trying to make a connection there which is a complete reach.
Quote from: rep the hood. on August 09, 2020, 04:56:13 PM
which is why i 100% am OK with what NIpsey said about fags in the media. if he feels uncomfortable seeing feminine black men on TV cuz he feels there's an "agenda", he has the right to feel that way
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Quote from: Jayda X on August 09, 2020, 05:11:56 PM
Quote from: rep the hood. on August 09, 2020, 04:56:13 PM
which is why i 100% am OK with what NIpsey said about fags in the media. if he feels uncomfortable seeing feminine black men on TV cuz he feels there's an "agenda", he has the right to feel that way
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ccccv like
we're talking about romantic preference not the right to say ignorant things
Nipsey is dead
HE.IS.NOT.GOING.TO.FUCK.YOU
(https://brycechristian.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/oprah_hewillhityou.gif)
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:22:19 PM
The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. :dead:
All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.
the "guys next door" would be considered masculine tho bby
and im kinda missing your point because its masc 4 masc the keyword being 4. its literally one person saying what they want for themselves. so its confusing to me why anyone else would have anything to say about that
unless they were just bitter that they themselves are not whats on the menu. thats the only thing i can think otherwise why do they care? how does it effect them? lol.
personally, if im not someones type, thats a turn off for me lol next-a!
but to complain :uhh:
"Guy next door" is much less restrictive, than what "masc4masc" suggests. From what I've noticed, people who say "masc4masc" focus in on the male archetype, what could be considered traits of "toxic" masculinity.
And it's fine if people want that for themselves, but it does become a legitimate issue beyond a certain point where people should just take a step back and really self-evaluate as to why they feel the way they do.
a legitimate issue to whom? why do they need to evaluate why they feel the way that they do? because you dont agree with it? again its their preference
and what exactly are you categorizing as "toxic" exactly? what are the specific traits that you feel are specifically referred to when it comes to masc 4 masc. because for me its mannerisms and speech, etc.
and again that is not saying its bad or wrong to have feminine mannerisms or speech. simply saying it doesn't make my dick hard.
A legitimate issue for themselves being that they just might miss out on the love of their life due to something trivial. It is possible to want something and to miss out on the bigger picture is all I'm saying. For all you know, until you get to really know a person, that one guy that might have feminine mannerisms would be the one that's best for you in the long run. I'm not saying it's the case, but it's a possibility. "Masc4Masc" guys are just really rigid when it comes to dating. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but you could also be a little short-sighted and deprive yourself in the process.
Quote from: rep the hood. on August 09, 2020, 04:56:13 PM
I agree that saying you just want a "guy next door" is a bit different than saying "masc4masc".
a guy next door could def be a multitude of things ....it's a bit more ambiguous than flat owt saying "masculine men only".
i think everyone has the right to want what they want, though.
Right. At the end of the day, I just would like to be with someone that I really vibe with. Though masculinity does play a factor, it's not the sole deciding factor for me. I've talked to guys who were more on the feminine side of the spectrum, I guess, but they still appealed to me because of the things they were into. Plus, they were still hot, so... 🤷♂️ It just didn't work out for other reasons beyond that.
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: Jayda X on August 09, 2020, 05:11:56 PM
Quote from: rep the hood. on August 09, 2020, 04:56:13 PM
which is why i 100% am OK with what NIpsey said about fags in the media. if he feels uncomfortable seeing feminine black men on TV cuz he feels there's an "agenda", he has the right to feel that way
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ccccv like
we're talking about romantic preference not the right to say ignorant things
I just have never seen someone go so hard for someone who considered people like him as "weak".
It's like a Jew stanning for Hitler.
Quote from: rep the hood. on August 09, 2020, 05:16:43 PM
see how that works?
no. you're try to string two issues together that aren't comparable.
last i'll say on that
Quote from: rep the hood. on August 09, 2020, 04:36:19 PM
as a woman, i don't understand what u fags are so strung up about when it comes to this fem..masc..vers...
ur all men who like to put things up ur dookie hole. find common ground in that and unify
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:22:19 PM
The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. :dead:
All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.
the "guys next door" would be considered masculine tho bby
and im kinda missing your point because its masc 4 masc the keyword being 4. its literally one person saying what they want for themselves. so its confusing to me why anyone else would have anything to say about that
unless they were just bitter that they themselves are not whats on the menu. thats the only thing i can think otherwise why do they care? how does it effect them? lol.
personally, if im not someones type, thats a turn off for me lol next-a!
but to complain :uhh:
"Guy next door" is much less restrictive, than what "masc4masc" suggests. From what I've noticed, people who say "masc4masc" focus in on the male archetype, what could be considered traits of "toxic" masculinity.
And it's fine if people want that for themselves, but it does become a legitimate issue beyond a certain point where people should just take a step back and really self-evaluate as to why they feel the way they do.
a legitimate issue to whom? why do they need to evaluate why they feel the way that they do? because you dont agree with it? again its their preference
and what exactly are you categorizing as "toxic" exactly? what are the specific traits that you feel are specifically referred to when it comes to masc 4 masc. because for me its mannerisms and speech, etc.
and again that is not saying its bad or wrong to have feminine mannerisms or speech. simply saying it doesn't make my dick hard.
A legitimate issue for themselves being that they just might miss out on the love of their life due to something trivial. It is possible to want something and to miss out on the bigger picture is all I'm saying. For all you know, until you get to really know a person, that one guy that might have feminine mannerisms would be the one that's best for you in the long run. I'm not saying it's the case, but it's a possibility. "Masc4Masc" guys are just really rigid when it comes to dating. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but you could also be a little short-sighted and deprive yourself in the process.
with all due respect, this just seems to be your one dimensional take on what you think men want or feel when they say masc 4 masc. maybe its rooted in an experience, which i can totally respect. but the very idea "masc 4 masc" guys could "miss out" is kinda ridiculous to me. how can i miss out on a guy that im not attracted to.
this also assumes thats the
only requirement, which is not the case. thats just one of many preferences.
i think its also worth noting all of us as men (gay or straight) possess some level of femeninity. im not, nor do i think most m4m men are looking for a complete absence of femeninity. thats unhealthy even.
but if you pop and twirl, i love you, i support you, im just not attracted to you. that doesn't mean i cant enjoy all you have to offer as a person. and if hell freezes over and i fall for yas one day... dont see it happening but hey!
till then where manly mens at
:trannyjblige:
Quote from: Jayda X on August 09, 2020, 05:23:14 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 05:15:20 PM
Quote from: Jayda X on August 09, 2020, 05:11:56 PM
Quote from: rep the hood. on August 09, 2020, 04:56:13 PM
which is why i 100% am OK with what NIpsey said about fags in the media. if he feels uncomfortable seeing feminine black men on TV cuz he feels there's an "agenda", he has the right to feel that way
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ccccv like
we're talking about romantic preference not the right to say ignorant things
I just have never seen someone go so hard for someone who considered people like him as "weak".
It's like a Jew stanning for Hitler.
and i really tried to make it make sense too but... it just doesn't :dead:
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:22:19 PM
The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. :dead:
All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.
the "guys next door" would be considered masculine tho bby
and im kinda missing your point because its masc 4 masc the keyword being 4. its literally one person saying what they want for themselves. so its confusing to me why anyone else would have anything to say about that
unless they were just bitter that they themselves are not whats on the menu. thats the only thing i can think otherwise why do they care? how does it effect them? lol.
personally, if im not someones type, thats a turn off for me lol next-a!
but to complain :uhh:
"Guy next door" is much less restrictive, than what "masc4masc" suggests. From what I've noticed, people who say "masc4masc" focus in on the male archetype, what could be considered traits of "toxic" masculinity.
And it's fine if people want that for themselves, but it does become a legitimate issue beyond a certain point where people should just take a step back and really self-evaluate as to why they feel the way they do.
a legitimate issue to whom? why do they need to evaluate why they feel the way that they do? because you dont agree with it? again its their preference
and what exactly are you categorizing as "toxic" exactly? what are the specific traits that you feel are specifically referred to when it comes to masc 4 masc. because for me its mannerisms and speech, etc.
and again that is not saying its bad or wrong to have feminine mannerisms or speech. simply saying it doesn't make my dick hard.
A legitimate issue for themselves being that they just might miss out on the love of their life due to something trivial. It is possible to want something and to miss out on the bigger picture is all I'm saying. For all you know, until you get to really know a person, that one guy that might have feminine mannerisms would be the one that's best for you in the long run. I'm not saying it's the case, but it's a possibility. "Masc4Masc" guys are just really rigid when it comes to dating. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but you could also be a little short-sighted and deprive yourself in the process.
with all due respect, this just seems to be your one dimensional take on what you think men want or feel when they say masc 4 masc. maybe its rooted in an experience, which i can totally respect. but the very idea "masc 4 masc" guys could "miss out" is kinda ridiculous to me. how can i miss out on a guy that im not attracted to.
this also assumes thats the only requirement, which is not the case. thats just one of many preferences.
i think its also worth noting all of us as men (gay or straight) possess some level of femeninity. im not, nor do i think most m4m men are looking for a complete absence of femeninity. thats unhealthy even.
but if you pop and twirl, i love you, i support you, im just not attracted to you. that doesn't mean i cant enjoy all you have to offer as a person. and if hell freezes over and i fall for yas one day... dont see it happening but hey!
till then where manly mens at
:trannyjblige:
Yeah, you just don't get it. Godspeed.
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:22:19 PM
The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. :dead:
All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.
the "guys next door" would be considered masculine tho bby
and im kinda missing your point because its masc 4 masc the keyword being 4. its literally one person saying what they want for themselves. so its confusing to me why anyone else would have anything to say about that
unless they were just bitter that they themselves are not whats on the menu. thats the only thing i can think otherwise why do they care? how does it effect them? lol.
personally, if im not someones type, thats a turn off for me lol next-a!
but to complain :uhh:
"Guy next door" is much less restrictive, than what "masc4masc" suggests. From what I've noticed, people who say "masc4masc" focus in on the male archetype, what could be considered traits of "toxic" masculinity.
And it's fine if people want that for themselves, but it does become a legitimate issue beyond a certain point where people should just take a step back and really self-evaluate as to why they feel the way they do.
a legitimate issue to whom? why do they need to evaluate why they feel the way that they do? because you dont agree with it? again its their preference
and what exactly are you categorizing as "toxic" exactly? what are the specific traits that you feel are specifically referred to when it comes to masc 4 masc. because for me its mannerisms and speech, etc.
and again that is not saying its bad or wrong to have feminine mannerisms or speech. simply saying it doesn't make my dick hard.
A legitimate issue for themselves being that they just might miss out on the love of their life due to something trivial. It is possible to want something and to miss out on the bigger picture is all I'm saying. For all you know, until you get to really know a person, that one guy that might have feminine mannerisms would be the one that's best for you in the long run. I'm not saying it's the case, but it's a possibility. "Masc4Masc" guys are just really rigid when it comes to dating. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but you could also be a little short-sighted and deprive yourself in the process.
with all due respect, this just seems to be your one dimensional take on what you think men want or feel when they say masc 4 masc. maybe its rooted in an experience, which i can totally respect. but the very idea "masc 4 masc" guys could "miss out" is kinda ridiculous to me. how can i miss out on a guy that im not attracted to.
this also assumes thats the only requirement, which is not the case. thats just one of many preferences.
i think its also worth noting all of us as men (gay or straight) possess some level of femeninity. im not, nor do i think most m4m men are looking for a complete absence of femeninity. thats unhealthy even.
but if you pop and twirl, i love you, i support you, im just not attracted to you. that doesn't mean i cant enjoy all you have to offer as a person. and if hell freezes over and i fall for yas one day... dont see it happening but hey!
till then where manly mens at
:trannyjblige:
Yeah, you just don't get it. Godspeed.
or i have a substantive argument on the matter that you can't rebut. and thanks, same to you.
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 06:01:39 PM
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Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:22:19 PM
The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. :dead:
All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.
the "guys next door" would be considered masculine tho bby
and im kinda missing your point because its masc 4 masc the keyword being 4. its literally one person saying what they want for themselves. so its confusing to me why anyone else would have anything to say about that
unless they were just bitter that they themselves are not whats on the menu. thats the only thing i can think otherwise why do they care? how does it effect them? lol.
personally, if im not someones type, thats a turn off for me lol next-a!
but to complain :uhh:
"Guy next door" is much less restrictive, than what "masc4masc" suggests. From what I've noticed, people who say "masc4masc" focus in on the male archetype, what could be considered traits of "toxic" masculinity.
And it's fine if people want that for themselves, but it does become a legitimate issue beyond a certain point where people should just take a step back and really self-evaluate as to why they feel the way they do.
a legitimate issue to whom? why do they need to evaluate why they feel the way that they do? because you dont agree with it? again its their preference
and what exactly are you categorizing as "toxic" exactly? what are the specific traits that you feel are specifically referred to when it comes to masc 4 masc. because for me its mannerisms and speech, etc.
and again that is not saying its bad or wrong to have feminine mannerisms or speech. simply saying it doesn't make my dick hard.
A legitimate issue for themselves being that they just might miss out on the love of their life due to something trivial. It is possible to want something and to miss out on the bigger picture is all I'm saying. For all you know, until you get to really know a person, that one guy that might have feminine mannerisms would be the one that's best for you in the long run. I'm not saying it's the case, but it's a possibility. "Masc4Masc" guys are just really rigid when it comes to dating. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but you could also be a little short-sighted and deprive yourself in the process.
with all due respect, this just seems to be your one dimensional take on what you think men want or feel when they say masc 4 masc. maybe its rooted in an experience, which i can totally respect. but the very idea "masc 4 masc" guys could "miss out" is kinda ridiculous to me. how can i miss out on a guy that im not attracted to.
this also assumes thats the only requirement, which is not the case. thats just one of many preferences.
i think its also worth noting all of us as men (gay or straight) possess some level of femeninity. im not, nor do i think most m4m men are looking for a complete absence of femeninity. thats unhealthy even.
but if you pop and twirl, i love you, i support you, im just not attracted to you. that doesn't mean i cant enjoy all you have to offer as a person. and if hell freezes over and i fall for yas one day... dont see it happening but hey!
till then where manly mens at
:trannyjblige:
Yeah, you just don't get it. Godspeed.
or i have a substantive argument on the matter that you can't rebut. and thanks, same to you.
Actually, no, it's anything but. I just find it funny that you can say that I have a one-dimensional take on it when all I'm suggesting to you is to look beyond your own preferences. People always think they know so solidly what they want and what they're not attracted to.
And, not only that, you're trying to diminish my argument by trying to turn this around on me. I'm not even saying anything negative towards you. I don't have anything to gain out of this. 🤷♂️
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Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:22:19 PM
The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. :dead:
All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.
the "guys next door" would be considered masculine tho bby
and im kinda missing your point because its masc 4 masc the keyword being 4. its literally one person saying what they want for themselves. so its confusing to me why anyone else would have anything to say about that
unless they were just bitter that they themselves are not whats on the menu. thats the only thing i can think otherwise why do they care? how does it effect them? lol.
personally, if im not someones type, thats a turn off for me lol next-a!
but to complain :uhh:
"Guy next door" is much less restrictive, than what "masc4masc" suggests. From what I've noticed, people who say "masc4masc" focus in on the male archetype, what could be considered traits of "toxic" masculinity.
And it's fine if people want that for themselves, but it does become a legitimate issue beyond a certain point where people should just take a step back and really self-evaluate as to why they feel the way they do.
a legitimate issue to whom? why do they need to evaluate why they feel the way that they do? because you dont agree with it? again its their preference
and what exactly are you categorizing as "toxic" exactly? what are the specific traits that you feel are specifically referred to when it comes to masc 4 masc. because for me its mannerisms and speech, etc.
and again that is not saying its bad or wrong to have feminine mannerisms or speech. simply saying it doesn't make my dick hard.
A legitimate issue for themselves being that they just might miss out on the love of their life due to something trivial. It is possible to want something and to miss out on the bigger picture is all I'm saying. For all you know, until you get to really know a person, that one guy that might have feminine mannerisms would be the one that's best for you in the long run. I'm not saying it's the case, but it's a possibility. "Masc4Masc" guys are just really rigid when it comes to dating. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but you could also be a little short-sighted and deprive yourself in the process.
with all due respect, this just seems to be your one dimensional take on what you think men want or feel when they say masc 4 masc. maybe its rooted in an experience, which i can totally respect. but the very idea "masc 4 masc" guys could "miss out" is kinda ridiculous to me. how can i miss out on a guy that im not attracted to.
this also assumes thats the only requirement, which is not the case. thats just one of many preferences.
i think its also worth noting all of us as men (gay or straight) possess some level of femeninity. im not, nor do i think most m4m men are looking for a complete absence of femeninity. thats unhealthy even.
but if you pop and twirl, i love you, i support you, im just not attracted to you. that doesn't mean i cant enjoy all you have to offer as a person. and if hell freezes over and i fall for yas one day... dont see it happening but hey!
till then where manly mens at
:trannyjblige:
!!!!!
All of this. How am I missing out when it doesn't appeal to ME?
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:22:19 PM
The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. :dead:
All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.
the "guys next door" would be considered masculine tho bby
and im kinda missing your point because its masc 4 masc the keyword being 4. its literally one person saying what they want for themselves. so its confusing to me why anyone else would have anything to say about that
unless they were just bitter that they themselves are not whats on the menu. thats the only thing i can think otherwise why do they care? how does it effect them? lol.
personally, if im not someones type, thats a turn off for me lol next-a!
but to complain :uhh:
"Guy next door" is much less restrictive, than what "masc4masc" suggests. From what I've noticed, people who say "masc4masc" focus in on the male archetype, what could be considered traits of "toxic" masculinity.
And it's fine if people want that for themselves, but it does become a legitimate issue beyond a certain point where people should just take a step back and really self-evaluate as to why they feel the way they do.
a legitimate issue to whom? why do they need to evaluate why they feel the way that they do? because you dont agree with it? again its their preference
and what exactly are you categorizing as "toxic" exactly? what are the specific traits that you feel are specifically referred to when it comes to masc 4 masc. because for me its mannerisms and speech, etc.
and again that is not saying its bad or wrong to have feminine mannerisms or speech. simply saying it doesn't make my dick hard.
A legitimate issue for themselves being that they just might miss out on the love of their life due to something trivial. It is possible to want something and to miss out on the bigger picture is all I'm saying. For all you know, until you get to really know a person, that one guy that might have feminine mannerisms would be the one that's best for you in the long run. I'm not saying it's the case, but it's a possibility. "Masc4Masc" guys are just really rigid when it comes to dating. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but you could also be a little short-sighted and deprive yourself in the process.
with all due respect, this just seems to be your one dimensional take on what you think men want or feel when they say masc 4 masc. maybe its rooted in an experience, which i can totally respect. but the very idea "masc 4 masc" guys could "miss out" is kinda ridiculous to me. how can i miss out on a guy that im not attracted to.
this also assumes thats the only requirement, which is not the case. thats just one of many preferences.
i think its also worth noting all of us as men (gay or straight) possess some level of femeninity. im not, nor do i think most m4m men are looking for a complete absence of femeninity. thats unhealthy even.
but if you pop and twirl, i love you, i support you, im just not attracted to you. that doesn't mean i cant enjoy all you have to offer as a person. and if hell freezes over and i fall for yas one day... dont see it happening but hey!
till then where manly mens at
:trannyjblige:
Yeah, you just don't get it. Godspeed.
or i have a substantive argument on the matter that you can't rebut. and thanks, same to you.
Actually, no, it's anything but. I just find it funny that you can say that I have a one-dimensional take on it when all I'm suggesting to you is to look beyond your own preferences. People always think they know so solidly what they want and what they're not attracted to.
And, not only that, you're trying to diminish my argument by trying to turn this around on me. I'm not even saying anything negative towards you. I don't have anything to gain out of this. 🤷♂️
When you said, "Masc4Masc" guys are rigid, how so? Just curious...
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 06:09:25 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 06:01:39 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 05:51:09 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 05:17:35 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:41:04 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: Arcstrider on August 09, 2020, 04:22:19 PM
The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. :dead:
All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.
the "guys next door" would be considered masculine tho bby
and im kinda missing your point because its masc 4 masc the keyword being 4. its literally one person saying what they want for themselves. so its confusing to me why anyone else would have anything to say about that
unless they were just bitter that they themselves are not whats on the menu. thats the only thing i can think otherwise why do they care? how does it effect them? lol.
personally, if im not someones type, thats a turn off for me lol next-a!
but to complain :uhh:
"Guy next door" is much less restrictive, than what "masc4masc" suggests. From what I've noticed, people who say "masc4masc" focus in on the male archetype, what could be considered traits of "toxic" masculinity.
And it's fine if people want that for themselves, but it does become a legitimate issue beyond a certain point where people should just take a step back and really self-evaluate as to why they feel the way they do.
a legitimate issue to whom? why do they need to evaluate why they feel the way that they do? because you dont agree with it? again its their preference
and what exactly are you categorizing as "toxic" exactly? what are the specific traits that you feel are specifically referred to when it comes to masc 4 masc. because for me its mannerisms and speech, etc.
and again that is not saying its bad or wrong to have feminine mannerisms or speech. simply saying it doesn't make my dick hard.
A legitimate issue for themselves being that they just might miss out on the love of their life due to something trivial. It is possible to want something and to miss out on the bigger picture is all I'm saying. For all you know, until you get to really know a person, that one guy that might have feminine mannerisms would be the one that's best for you in the long run. I'm not saying it's the case, but it's a possibility. "Masc4Masc" guys are just really rigid when it comes to dating. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but you could also be a little short-sighted and deprive yourself in the process.
with all due respect, this just seems to be your one dimensional take on what you think men want or feel when they say masc 4 masc. maybe its rooted in an experience, which i can totally respect. but the very idea "masc 4 masc" guys could "miss out" is kinda ridiculous to me. how can i miss out on a guy that im not attracted to.
this also assumes thats the only requirement, which is not the case. thats just one of many preferences.
i think its also worth noting all of us as men (gay or straight) possess some level of femeninity. im not, nor do i think most m4m men are looking for a complete absence of femeninity. thats unhealthy even.
but if you pop and twirl, i love you, i support you, im just not attracted to you. that doesn't mean i cant enjoy all you have to offer as a person. and if hell freezes over and i fall for yas one day... dont see it happening but hey!
till then where manly mens at
:trannyjblige:
Yeah, you just don't get it. Godspeed.
or i have a substantive argument on the matter that you can't rebut. and thanks, same to you.
Actually, no, it's anything but. I just find it funny that you can say that I have a one-dimensional take on it when all I'm suggesting to you is to look beyond your own preferences. People always think they know so solidly what they want and what they're not attracted to.
And, not only that, you're trying to diminish my argument by trying to turn this around on me. I'm not even saying anything negative towards you. I don't have anything to gain out of this. 🤷♂️
i wasnt trying to diminisn anything, i simply offered a counter to your point of view. there was nothing negative about what i said. and again, you are functioning under the assumption that masc4masc completely excludes other possibilities. a preference us just that... what your
prefer. the very nature of the word suggests you're open to other things. but when youre actively looking for something of course yourr going to pursue yoyr preferences. and again, that should not be looked at as a slight to anyone who does not fall within that preference. but you seem to be intent on pushing this "deeper issue" narrative that i just don't subscribe to. m
I think most of the hatred comes from some "masc" people not being able to state their preference without insulting those that don't fit their definition of "masc".
Quote from: rep the hood. on August 09, 2020, 06:21:31 PM
but i still believe in everyone being allowed to have their own preferences , etc.no one should be pressured to deny themselves their "dream man" for the sake of being more politically correct or inclusive.sdfdssfd
im sure there are some who turn their noses up or are confused by masculine men who specifically prefer "fem" men.
that's a very real thing as well.
Yeah, that's something I can agree with, at the very end of the day. Still, I do believe in people really examining their preferences and what it's actually based on and if whether or not there could be other issues there. And I think that's something that people owe to themselves rather than to other people; that's just personal growth.
Quote from: Bella. on August 09, 2020, 06:55:08 PM
I think most of the hatred comes from some "masc" people not being able to state their preference without insulting those that don't fit their definition of "masc".
And that there just opens up a whole new can of worms because there's no one universal standard to masculinity. A lot of the "masc4masc" people probably don't even fit the next person's view of what masculinity is, and that's the real gotcha gotcha of it all.
I like em all, but I can't do flamboyance. Femininity is fine tho. B-)
Quote from: Bella. on August 09, 2020, 06:55:08 PM
I think most of the hatred comes from some "masc" people not being able to state their preference without insulting those that don't fit their definition of "masc".
what are some examples of this? because what ive seen is hatred for just the very sight of "masc4masc"
im honestly asking because i dont support the insulting theres just no reason to do that
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Quote from: Bella. on August 09, 2020, 06:55:08 PM
I think most of the hatred comes from some "masc" people not being able to state their preference without insulting those that don't fit their definition of "masc".
what are some examples of this? because what ive seen is hatred for just the very sight of "masc4masc"
im honestly asking because i dont support the insulting theres just no reason to do that
I have a man, so I'm not on Grindr anymore ( :supluv: ), but posts like the below weren't uncommon 5 years ago (and probably still are)
(https://i.ibb.co/Z2MPHFR/7-FFBD533-F206-4-DF2-9205-C47-D1-D7-F83-A9.jpg)
Quote from: Bella. on August 09, 2020, 07:52:30 PM
Quote from: coffelia_buchanan on August 09, 2020, 07:31:23 PM
Quote from: Bella. on August 09, 2020, 06:55:08 PM
I think most of the hatred comes from some "masc" people not being able to state their preference without insulting those that don't fit their definition of "masc".
what are some examples of this? because what ive seen is hatred for just the very sight of "masc4masc"
im honestly asking because i dont support the insulting theres just no reason to do that
I have a man, so I'm not on Grindr anymore ( :supluv: ), but posts like the below weren't uncommon 5 years ago (and probably still are)
(https://i.ibb.co/Z2MPHFR/7-FFBD533-F206-4-DF2-9205-C47-D1-D7-F83-A9.jpg)
ok yea this is gross
but look atbthe material :x
Only the super fems are upset about it.