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[RAY7]

One thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.

no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.

 this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"

it's not the same.

Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.

im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.

even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing

see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation

unfortunately it appears I have to illustrate as much as possible for you to GET it Ray.

even if we just keep it at "nappy head" how is that fucking acceptable as a kii?

like am i in the fucking twilight zone?

I mean hindsight is 2020 and as a society we have all grown ethically in the 30 years since the show was on
But ppl were definitely laughing at that at the time, and it was all really ignorance.

[Russian Roulette]

One thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.

no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.

 this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"

it's not the same.

Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.

im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.

even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing

see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation

unfortunately it appears I have to illustrate as much as possible for you to GET it Ray.

even if we just keep it at "nappy head" how is that fucking acceptable as a kii?

like am i in the fucking twilight zone?

I mean hindsight is 2020 and as a society we have all grown ethically in the 30 years since the show was on
But ppl were definitely laughing at that at the time, and it was all really ignorance.

am mean

thats all Erika, Ari and the gorls is saying!

no one's tryna drag or cancel Martin. we still love King. no one is perfect.

it's OK for us to look at things and be like "that didn't age too well." and still enjoy the damn show.

[RAY7]

someone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.

now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina

It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?

Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.

"good hair! mixed with Indian!"

with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.

all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex

Im glad I watched the video or I would think the whole scene was about her being pretty because she had long hair and was mixed. When she didn't confirm if she was even mixed and Sheneneh made a whole insult about Native American stereotypes lol

[RAY7]

One thing I think that's being ignored is that Tischina was also joking on Martin the whole time and they all also joked on Tisha, Tommy and Carl. EVERYONE got it. Martin was ugly, short with big ears. Gina had a big apple head and was flat chested. No one wanted her but Martin even with her being light skinned. Tommy was bald and goofy, Cole was dumb.

no one's missing that or ignoring it tbh. not me for sure.

 this just goes back to there being a difference between calling someone "ugly" and calling someone "a nappy headed burnt dog"

it's not the same.

Ari, and other women, feel HIT by the latter types of "jokes" for good reason.

im sorry but the OLYMPIC style flips and somersaults ive seen Black people doing in this conversation is proof that its going to be a VERY long time before we really tackle these things in the community.

even when it's not ill-intended it's still astounding and borderline disturbing

see how you added BURNT to your insult? Didn't we clarify that no one was talking about her skin color and that it was UNDERLYING colorism because he would say her hair was nappy or beady bead?
You're changing the conversation

unfortunately it appears I have to illustrate as much as possible for you to GET it Ray.

even if we just keep it at "nappy head" how is that fucking acceptable as a kii?

like am i in the fucking twilight zone?

I mean hindsight is 2020 and as a society we have all grown ethically in the 30 years since the show was on
But ppl were definitely laughing at that at the time, and it was all really ignorance.

am mean

thats all Erika, Ari and the gorls is saying!

no one's tryna drag or cancel Martin. we still love King. no one is perfect.

it's OK for us to look at things and be like "that didn't age too well." and still enjoy the damn show.

that's not what I was getting at though. We're in here acting like Tichina was just too dumb or biased because Martin is her friend for her to notice she was being put down. But I'm saying it's because she was not being singled out or targeted just because she was the dark skinned woman. She jumped into the fray of a lot of toxicity and dished out some herself

[Russian Roulette]

someone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.

now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina

It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?

Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.

"good hair! mixed with Indian!"

with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.

all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex

Im glad I watched the video or I would think the whole scene was about her being pretty because she had long hair and was mixed. When she didn't confirm if she was even mixed and Sheneneh made a whole insult about Native American stereotypes lol

Martin made it a point to talk about her hair and then connected her "weave hair" with non-Blackness.

Ray do I need to grab you a cup of coffee

why couldn't Lark be a "beady bead" gorl too?

[RAY7]

someone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.

now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina

It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?

Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.

"good hair! mixed with Indian!"

with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.

all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex

Im glad I watched the video or I would think the whole scene was about her being pretty because she had long hair and was mixed. When she didn't confirm if she was even mixed and Sheneneh made a whole insult about Native American stereotypes lol

Martin made it a point to talk about her hair and then connected her "weave hair" with non-Blackness.

Ray do I need to grab you a cup of coffee

why couldn't Lark be a "beady bead" gorl too?

because her hair was pressed?
Was Kenya or Beverly Johnson called mixed with Indian and long hair too?

[Russian Roulette]

someone simply looking Black isn't a punchline or KNEE SLAPPER in itself.

now point to person said made the joke "you're Black" or "darkie!"
On the show?
There even was women like Lark Vorhees, and Kenya Moore that were viewed as more beautiful and attractive than Gina

It was never a "dark skin black woman is UGLY and ANIMAL!" type show
Was anyone else watching the show on here?

Martin literally made a whole scene around Lark's hair texture on the show.

"good hair! mixed with Indian!"

with Shenenenh accusing her of wearing weave and appearing to be jealous of her.

all signs point to Martin having a VERY typical complex

Im glad I watched the video or I would think the whole scene was about her being pretty because she had long hair and was mixed. When she didn't confirm if she was even mixed and Sheneneh made a whole insult about Native American stereotypes lol

Martin made it a point to talk about her hair and then connected her "weave hair" with non-Blackness.

Ray do I need to grab you a cup of coffee

why couldn't Lark be a "beady bead" gorl too?

because her hair was pressed?

yea cuz Pam was walking around with an afro every episode.

Ray give it up.

and leave GODverly Johnson outta ur MESS

[Russian Roulette]

and believe it or not there are plenty of Black people who knew that making fun of Blackness wasn't OK way before "woke" culture began

my head woulda been lying somewhere out on the grass if my grandparents heard me calling someone a nappy head or darkie  or gorilla

like, knocked CLEAN off.
there was zero tolerance

i can find humor in almost anything tbh but i've NEVER really found making fun of a Black person JUST cuz they look Black to be a kii.

Black is beautiful so where's the hehe haha, exactly?

[Russian Roulette]

Tichina has come back to apologize for the interview

i def thought it was interesting that she was quick to dismiss Ari's feelings

but immediately pulled out a violin regarding "reverse colorism" experiences for Tisha - saying that she could tell Black women in the audience during taping of Martin didn't like Tisha because she was light, even though no one in that audience directly mentioned anything regarding Tisha's appearance...or had a chance to say anything at all

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it's not so much that she mentioned the possibility of "reverse colorism" because lighter skin people do sometimes have negative experiences related to their appearance. im sure Tisha has had plenty of "bitch u think u cute cuz u light but u not" moments in her life. but it's the fact that Tichina was able to recognize THAT exists while damn near mocking Ari Lennox's shared experience.

but this is why i LOVE Tichina. She clearly means no harm and is just tryna live her life. she doesn't have to be a social justice warrior.
cuz honestly that's another thing people PUSH on Black women. for them to be on the frontlines FIGHTING for something. cuz they're so "strong".

as i mentioned earlier, not everyone can be a critical thinker like Erika Alexander ...but Tichina at least being open to hear and understand things and be open to the fact that she may have a lot of learning to do about this stuff speaks volumes about her as a person, and how much she cares about the community. As Tisha responded, she has a good heart.

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[RAY7]

I'm glad she has young ppl around her to help her be more progressive and socially conscious.
Reverse colorism isn't a thing but Tisha did get hate and disrespect for being light skinned. That's what she meant but ppl are very "woke" and sensitive these days about the meaning of certain words

[Russian Roulette]

I'm glad she has young ppl around her to help her be more progressive and socially conscious.
Reverse colorism isn't a thing but Tisha did get hate and disrespect for being light skinned. That's what she meant but ppl are very "woke" and sensitive these days about the meaning of certain words

for me the issue wasn't her specific choice of words. it was literally her pulling out a violin for Tisha while damn near ignoring and mocking Ari.

she did what a lot of Black people do unfortunately. tell the dark skin unambiguously Black girl to stfu and stop being so "sensitive"
and coddle the lighter skin/mixed woman and take time to understand her plight

we understand and acknowledge that a light skin woman may hear things like "bitch u think u cute" and categorize it as hate. but a dark skin Black woman being uncomfortable with someone literally "joking" about "nappy" hair is a case of her being "too sensitive" or "dramatic".

maybe if this conversation were in a different setting with a different catalyst it woulda hit differently

[RAY7]

I'm glad she has young ppl around her to help her be more progressive and socially conscious.
Reverse colorism isn't a thing but Tisha did get hate and disrespect for being light skinned. That's what she meant but ppl are very "woke" and sensitive these days about the meaning of certain words

for me the issue wasn't her specific choice of words. it was literally her pulling out a violin for Tisha while damn near ignoring and mocking Ari.

she did what a lot of Black people do unfortunately. tell the dark skin unambiguously Black girl to stfu and stop being so "sensitive"
and coddle the lighter skin/mixed woman and take time to understand her plight

we understand and acknowledge that a light skin woman may hear things like "bitch u think u cute" and categorize it as hate. but a dark skin Black woman being uncomfortable with someone "joking" about "nappy" hair is a case of her being "too sensitive" or "dramatic".

maybe if this conversation were in a different setting with a different catalyst it woulda hit differently

She wasn't "pulling out a violin" I think the way the world is has shaped our understanding of what she was doing. If it was true that Tisha did specifically get hate from the women in the crowd who didn't like her because she was light skinned, but they loved Tichina, how is her telling that true story a "violin"?

I think ultimately the point was that EVERYONE on the show got some types shots fired at them and it wasn't a specifically dark skinned women hating show

Also clearly there is bias because she loves that show and everyone on it so she's defending it, and feels like Ari was attacking a show she loves

[Russian Roulette]

I'm glad she has young ppl around her to help her be more progressive and socially conscious.
Reverse colorism isn't a thing but Tisha did get hate and disrespect for being light skinned. That's what she meant but ppl are very "woke" and sensitive these days about the meaning of certain words

for me the issue wasn't her specific choice of words. it was literally her pulling out a violin for Tisha while damn near ignoring and mocking Ari.

she did what a lot of Black people do unfortunately. tell the dark skin unambiguously Black girl to stfu and stop being so "sensitive"
and coddle the lighter skin/mixed woman and take time to understand her plight

we understand and acknowledge that a light skin woman may hear things like "bitch u think u cute" and categorize it as hate. but a dark skin Black woman being uncomfortable with someone "joking" about "nappy" hair is a case of her being "too sensitive" or "dramatic".

maybe if this conversation were in a different setting with a different catalyst it woulda hit differently

She wasn't "pulling out a violin" I think the way the world is has shaped our understanding of what she was doing. If it was true that Tisha did specifically get hate from the women in the crowd who didn't like her because she was light skinned, but they loved Tichina, how is her telling that true story a "violin"?

I think ultimately the point was that EVERYONE on the show got some types shots fired at them and it wasn't a specifically dark skinned women hating show

Also clearly there is bias because she loves that show and everyone on it so she's defending it, and feels like Ari was attacking a show she loves

"pulling out the violin " just speaks to a sad story being told. Her describing Tisha crying , etc

Of course people who are assumed to have privilege are wrongfully targeted or assumed to "think that they cute", or get comments like "that hair is weave bitch" etc

It's crazy to me that in 2026 I don't have to argue with other Black people about THAT but I have to go tooth and nail for people to understand why Ari may have legitimate concerns that shouldn't be labeled as "too sensitive"

That in itself gives credence to ANY claims dark skin unambiguously Black women make about their experiences .

And yes I already acknowledged this conversation may be difficult for Tichina because it involves a show and people whom she loves dearly. I did that pages ago and gave her a lot of grace because of that.

But I actually Thank God for people like Tichina though who care enough for the community to listen in these conversations and come back to say "u know what... maybe I was talking too fast"

Cuz her fans def ain't getting it

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and it's worth noting this is all coming from someone who said that a show like "Mixed-ish" was necessary when a lot of people on here said it wasn't years ago.

i 100% know for a fact people who are mixed, light or assumed to be mixed face different experiences (including negative and confusing ones) and deserve their opportunity to speak on them or have them represented in media.

But i'm all about fairness. Ari had a legitimate grievance and it INFURIATED me that people had the nerve to dismiss her. Thank God for women like Erika Alexander and Tichina Arnold for either being critical thinkers or being wise enough to accept they're NOT a critical thinker.