Songwriter Slams Bey, Tamar, Sevyn, & Zendaya For Stealing Songwriting Credits

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These girls love to STEAL

Notice how Ciara wasn't mentioned.
Queen would never

Bc anyone she stole from would be too embarrassed to associate/claim her flops


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Summertime

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Quote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.

The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.

Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.

I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.

I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.

That is good Mya is ethical.

Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.

It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.

Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.

I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.

She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.

Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.


Brandy and Mya don't really have the choice in the matter. I just saw an article where the songwriter Kaydence said she only made like $4000 from working on B7. Im sure she only did that work because she loves Bran because if Bran was being funny Kaydence could've clearly taken them songs to an artist that is actually moving units these days.
Beyonce is able to demand what she does because just based on her singing something it's going to make money and there's not many other singers you can work with that would make these ppl more

Okay, and Brandy still isn't taking anybody's publishing. That is the whole premise of what is being discussed.

Brandy is clearly only getting publishing when she has co-written. She has plenty of songs that she has no writing credit on, so she clearly is not an artist that is into taking publishing for work she didn't write on.
whats the point of using her as comparison if she doesn't have the choice?
When she was a big artist in the 90s she didn't need to demand publishing because music was selling and there was much more money in the industry. The internet messed everything up and that's why these artists are currently doing this. The ones that can

An artist has a choice to not take publishing so like I stated my girl appears to be on the up and up. Since she clearly isn't taking publishing without writing on a song.

Like this isn't a life or death situation like you are trying to make it lmao.

Summertime

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Quote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.

The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.

Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.

I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.

I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.

That is good Mya is ethical.

Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.

It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.

Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.

I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.

She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.

Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.



As writers should be more vocal about their publishing and royalties. That's their livelihood if they don't have any other stream of income. I don't blame them for coming forward and sharing their stories.

I think a few years ago they were trying to get a movement together because it has clearly gotten out of hand with the top gorls having to publicly beg to stop being strong armed by non-writing artists.

A song can still slay without artists who didn't write on a song taking publishing.

They are all saying the same thing too which is so simple. Stop taking publishing with no writing.

———-
Sia on Rihanna

"She doesn't take publishing if she doesn't write on it, and I love that about her because a lot of artists were like, 'I want a little bit so that people think...' [...] and Rihanna, she's never asked for something."



Kudos to Rihanna for not requesting or wanting publishing. That's the moral and ethical thing to do.

With her being Rihanna should could really be demanding publishing for songs she didn't write on and the top writers would give in.

But the fact that she doesn't do that is commendable.

It is a few other top song writers who said similar to what Sia said about Rihanna not demanding publishing for songs she didn't write on.

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RAY7

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Quote from: RAY7 on February 19, 2024, 02:01:09 PMAlso the Carters tried to help all these ppl when they founded Tidal which was supposed to pay more than all the other platforms but yall let it flop talking about how yall don't care about helping the artists


Ray coming w/ facts

All this concern...

...as you blast your favorite mess on Spotify.
The worst paying platform


guys! Help! They're taking credit! But streaming freemium on Spotify waiting through commercials and all

RAY7

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Quote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.

The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.

Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.

I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.

I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.

That is good Mya is ethical.

Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.

It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.

Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.

I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.

She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.

Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.


Brandy and Mya don't really have the choice in the matter. I just saw an article where the songwriter Kaydence said she only made like $4000 from working on B7. Im sure she only did that work because she loves Bran because if Bran was being funny Kaydence could've clearly taken them songs to an artist that is actually moving units these days.
Beyonce is able to demand what she does because just based on her singing something it's going to make money and there's not many other singers you can work with that would make these ppl more

Okay, and Brandy still isn't taking anybody's publishing. That is the whole premise of what is being discussed.

Brandy is clearly only getting publishing when she has co-written. She has plenty of songs that she has no writing credit on, so she clearly is not an artist that is into taking publishing for work she didn't write on.
whats the point of using her as comparison if she doesn't have the choice?
When she was a big artist in the 90s she didn't need to demand publishing because music was selling and there was much more money in the industry. The internet messed everything up and that's why these artists are currently doing this. The ones that can

An artist has a choice to not take publishing so like I stated my girl appears to be on the up and up. Since she clearly isn't taking publishing without writing on a song.

Like this isn't a life or death situation like you are trying to make it lmao.
they all have choices whether or not to make these deals. If you're a songwriter and do not want to share publishing don't work with the big artists who demand publishing in these contracts
Go with Brandy and make $4000

The Only BLACK Kalmyks

Project started: 2014 Wrapped up: 2024

Significant Discovery: First known Black American family of Kalmyk descent

Takeaways: Be prepared to pivot, even when you think you're on the right track. Be OK with being wrong so you can get things right.

Kalmyks are tribal Mongolic people who settled in Russia. It's estimated that only 300,000 Kalmyk descendants exist worldwide - with only 3,000 in America.



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JCJ

Well, the woman says it's not just the top artists doing this. It's become a trend for even lower tier artists...that she says artists like Beyoncé have some power to help change.

JCJ

And y'all love telling other people what they can do about THEIR careers

Summertime

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Quote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.

The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.

Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.

I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.

I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.

That is good Mya is ethical.

Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.

It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.

Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.

I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.

She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.

Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.


Brandy and Mya don't really have the choice in the matter. I just saw an article where the songwriter Kaydence said she only made like $4000 from working on B7. Im sure she only did that work because she loves Bran because if Bran was being funny Kaydence could've clearly taken them songs to an artist that is actually moving units these days.
Beyonce is able to demand what she does because just based on her singing something it's going to make money and there's not many other singers you can work with that would make these ppl more

Okay, and Brandy still isn't taking anybody's publishing. That is the whole premise of what is being discussed.

Brandy is clearly only getting publishing when she has co-written. She has plenty of songs that she has no writing credit on, so she clearly is not an artist that is into taking publishing for work she didn't write on.
whats the point of using her as comparison if she doesn't have the choice?
When she was a big artist in the 90s she didn't need to demand publishing because music was selling and there was much more money in the industry. The internet messed everything up and that's why these artists are currently doing this. The ones that can

An artist has a choice to not take publishing so like I stated my girl appears to be on the up and up. Since she clearly isn't taking publishing without writing on a song.

Like this isn't a life or death situation like you are trying to make it lmao.
they all have choices whether or not to make these deals. If you're a songwriter and do not want to share publishing don't work with the big artists who demand publishing in these contracts
Go with Brandy and make $4000

Okay, and Brandy still appears to be on the up and up and doesn't take unearned publishing :kii: . It is a choice not to take from another artist's work.

Kudos to my girl for that.

Lazarus

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Quote from: Lazarus on February 19, 2024, 01:22:39 PMI feel for songwriters. They got it the hardest in the industry it seem.

The hardest & them publishing checks are even smaller now they are saying than ever before + these non-writing artists demanding publishing without writing making their checks even smaller.

Writers need to start demanding a cut of technical masters since non-writing artists want a cut of their publishing.

I remember Sia complimented Rihanna on not taking publishing unless she co-wrote.

I'm so happy Mya does right by her co-writers and such an expertise with those publishing split sheets.

That is good Mya is ethical.

Writers are becoming more vocal than ever about artists doing the practice of taking publishing without writing.

It is kind of similar to how big producers take credit for a beat that a producer in their camp made.

Taking from others checks when one didn't contribute is tacky.

I think my girl Brandy is on the up and up bc she has many released songs that she is not listed as a co-writer.

She was proud of herself that she wrote way more than usual on b7.

Diane Warren said the publishing taking from artists that don't write would be akin to a writer demanding a cut of a artist's performance fee.



As writers should be more vocal about their publishing and royalties. That's their livelihood if they don't have any other stream of income. I don't blame them for coming forward and sharing their stories.

I think a few years ago they were trying to get a movement together because it has clearly gotten out of hand with the top gorls having to publicly beg to stop being strong armed by non-writing artists.

A song can still slay without artists who didn't write on a song taking publishing.

They are all saying the same thing too which is so simple. Stop taking publishing with no writing.

———-
Sia on Rihanna

"She doesn't take publishing if she doesn't write on it, and I love that about her because a lot of artists were like, 'I want a little bit so that people think...' [...] and Rihanna, she's never asked for something."



Kudos to Rihanna for not requesting or wanting publishing. That's the moral and ethical thing to do.
Rih has some stories that don't get attention...

I'm sure she do but I haven't heard anything crazy over the top that hadn't been  exposed before

RAY7

Quote from: JCJ on February 19, 2024, 03:20:30 PMWell, the woman says it's not just the top artists doing this. It's become a trend for even lower tier artists...that she says artists like Beyoncé have some power to help change.
which she tried to do with Tidal and nobody supported it. She even made some of her music Tidal exclusive so she was missing out on streams and sales she could have been getting just to get ppl to sign up for the service but everybody wanted to not support the already rich artists even if it also meant not supporting the poor ones who had music on there
:cheerup: