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He really does look serious
However context matters, this is a scene from the Backstage Hard Knock Life tour documentary
The female is called Chaka and they are friends till this day. He was being rough with her like one of the guys. She has never complained so it's weird to victimize her just to prove a point (not you Afro)

id say a lot of people may not know this backstory

this was my first time hearing all of this

so if we're speaking to why these theories about his possible involvement with Diddy are actually getting legs and traction

it still makes sense and really isn't "weird". unless people for sure knew the context behind instances like this (and for sure know its factual) and STILL run/ran with it

and i just want to point out that just because a woman doesn't complain about something, doesn't mean something wrong wasn't done to her - past or present. a "well she aint complain" angle is a lil dangerous - for any situation.

especially when men of great power are the topic of discussion

it's the fact that ppl dug this up and put their own spin on it that is weird. If nothing came of this and we weren't there when it happened how is it logical to just insert our own conclusions to the story?

well there's no "spin" to put to it

the video clearly shows Jay Z putting his hands on an unidentified woman, with a look of anger in his face.

if anything, it's literally calling a spade a spade.

it's definitely a spin
It's clipped from the full movie removing the original context. The woman wouldn't be "unidentified" if you watched the movie because she's featured in a few scenes and gets to speak. It's titled "shocking video!" But this has been out for decades and no one was "shocking" all this time. It's clearly painting the situation as a serious altercation, with no knowledge that it e

can u share the full video that shows their entire interaction in that moment?

i mean that would immediately put an end to any questions

You can see throughout this video that everyone was play fighting and tussling with each other.
Someone got "kidnapped" from one tourbus by the other bus, Beanie Seagel made DJ Clue bleed.

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This clip starts with a bunch of people "rescuing" their guy from the ppl on the other tour bus. They were pulling him by his arms on the ground. It's a bunch of niggas from the hood being rough. Jay just included the girl from the squad in the shenanigans

[stillpretty]

He really does look serious
However context matters, this is a scene from the Backstage Hard Knock Life tour documentary
The female is called Chaka and they are friends till this day. He was being rough with her like one of the guys. She has never complained so it's weird to victimize her just to prove a point (not you Afro)

id say a lot of people may not know this backstory

this was my first time hearing all of this

so if we're speaking to why these theories about his possible involvement with Diddy are actually getting legs and traction

it still makes sense and really isn't "weird". unless people for sure knew the context behind instances like this (and for sure know its factual) and STILL run/ran with it

and i just want to point out that just because a woman doesn't complain about something, doesn't mean something wrong wasn't done to her - past or present. a "well she aint complain" angle is a lil dangerous - for any situation.

especially when men of great power are the topic of discussion

it's the fact that ppl dug this up and put their own spin on it that is weird. If nothing came of this and we weren't there when it happened how is it logical to just insert our own conclusions to the story?

well there's no "spin" to put to it

the video clearly shows Jay Z putting his hands on an unidentified woman, with a look of anger in his face.

if anything, it's literally calling a spade a spade.

it's definitely a spin
It's clipped from the full movie removing the original context. The woman wouldn't be "unidentified" if you watched the movie because she's featured in a few scenes and gets to speak. It's titled "shocking video!" But this has been out for decades and no one was "shocking" all this time. It's clearly painting the situation as a serious altercation, with no knowledge that it e

can u share the full video that shows their entire interaction in that moment?

i mean that would immediately put an end to any questions

You can see throughout this video that everyone was play fighting and tussling with each other.
Someone got "kidnapped" from one tourbus by the other bus, Beanie Seagel made DJ Clue bleed.

I skimmed thru this video looking for extended footage of the interaction between Jay-z and the woman

Didn't see it . Maybe I skipped it. At what time in this video does that scene I asked you for appear?

[RAY7]

He really does look serious
However context matters, this is a scene from the Backstage Hard Knock Life tour documentary
The female is called Chaka and they are friends till this day. He was being rough with her like one of the guys. She has never complained so it's weird to victimize her just to prove a point (not you Afro)

id say a lot of people may not know this backstory

this was my first time hearing all of this

so if we're speaking to why these theories about his possible involvement with Diddy are actually getting legs and traction

it still makes sense and really isn't "weird". unless people for sure knew the context behind instances like this (and for sure know its factual) and STILL run/ran with it

and i just want to point out that just because a woman doesn't complain about something, doesn't mean something wrong wasn't done to her - past or present. a "well she aint complain" angle is a lil dangerous - for any situation.

especially when men of great power are the topic of discussion

it's the fact that ppl dug this up and put their own spin on it that is weird. If nothing came of this and we weren't there when it happened how is it logical to just insert our own conclusions to the story?

well there's no "spin" to put to it

the video clearly shows Jay Z putting his hands on an unidentified woman, with a look of anger in his face.

if anything, it's literally calling a spade a spade.

it's definitely a spin
It's clipped from the full movie removing the original context. The woman wouldn't be "unidentified" if you watched the movie because she's featured in a few scenes and gets to speak. It's titled "shocking video!" But this has been out for decades and no one was "shocking" all this time. It's clearly painting the situation as a serious altercation, with no knowledge that it e

can u share the full video that shows their entire interaction in that moment?

i mean that would immediately put an end to any questions

You can see throughout this video that everyone was play fighting and tussling with each other.
Someone got "kidnapped" from one tourbus by the other bus, Beanie Seagel made DJ Clue bleed.

I skimmed thru this video looking for extended footage of the interaction between Jay-z and the woman

Didn't see it . Maybe I skipped it. At what time in this video does that scene I asked you for appear?

The scene is at 8:01
sorry it's all just clips so that specific moment is not extended.
But I'm sure they put that specific interaction because showing domestic violence is definitely what they wanted to show

[stillpretty]

He really does look serious
However context matters, this is a scene from the Backstage Hard Knock Life tour documentary
The female is called Chaka and they are friends till this day. He was being rough with her like one of the guys. She has never complained so it's weird to victimize her just to prove a point (not you Afro)

id say a lot of people may not know this backstory

this was my first time hearing all of this

so if we're speaking to why these theories about his possible involvement with Diddy are actually getting legs and traction

it still makes sense and really isn't "weird". unless people for sure knew the context behind instances like this (and for sure know its factual) and STILL run/ran with it

and i just want to point out that just because a woman doesn't complain about something, doesn't mean something wrong wasn't done to her - past or present. a "well she aint complain" angle is a lil dangerous - for any situation.

especially when men of great power are the topic of discussion

it's the fact that ppl dug this up and put their own spin on it that is weird. If nothing came of this and we weren't there when it happened how is it logical to just insert our own conclusions to the story?

well there's no "spin" to put to it

the video clearly shows Jay Z putting his hands on an unidentified woman, with a look of anger in his face.

if anything, it's literally calling a spade a spade.

it's definitely a spin
It's clipped from the full movie removing the original context. The woman wouldn't be "unidentified" if you watched the movie because she's featured in a few scenes and gets to speak. It's titled "shocking video!" But this has been out for decades and no one was "shocking" all this time. It's clearly painting the situation as a serious altercation, with no knowledge that it e

can u share the full video that shows their entire interaction in that moment?

i mean that would immediately put an end to any questions

You can see throughout this video that everyone was play fighting and tussling with each other.
Someone got "kidnapped" from one tourbus by the other bus, Beanie Seagel made DJ Clue bleed.

I skimmed thru this video looking for extended footage of the interaction between Jay-z and the woman

Didn't see it . Maybe I skipped it. At what time in this video does that scene I asked you for appear?

The scene is at 8:01
sorry it's all just clips so that specific moment is not extended.
But I'm sure they put that specific interaction because showing domestic violence is definitely what they wanted to show

[stillpretty]

unfortunately people tend to believe their eyes

And with no extended footage before or after this scene of Jay with a clear look of anger in his face , putting his hands on a woman

It leaves a lot of room for people to REASONABLY conclude that Jay had ...... a clear look of anger in his face , putting his hands on a woman.

hhhhggggggg

Maybe if Jay were giggling or smiling or even had a HINT of a smirk on his face...OR if there were additional footage from that specific moment which provided much needed context, it would be "weird" to try and turn that interaction into something else.

... Or extract bits and pieces of the interaction between Jay and the woman to paint an unfavorable narrative against him

But that's not the case here.

Anyone questioning that moment is doing so with good reason.

[RAY7]

unfortunately people tend to believe their eyes

And with no extended footage before or after this scene of Jay with a clear look of anger in his face , putting his hands on a woman

It leaves a lot of room for people to REASONABLY conclude that Jay had ...... a clear look of anger in his face , putting his hands on a woman.

hhhhggggggg

Maybe if Jay were giggling or smiling or even had a HINT of a smirk on his face...OR if there were additional footage from that specific moment which provided much needed context, it would be "weird" to try and turn that interaction into something else.

... Or extract bits and pieces of the interaction between Jay and the woman to paint an unfavorable narrative against him

But that's not the case here.

Even without it being extended, it's part of Jay's movie. So what's the REASON he would seriously try to harm a woman put it in video and release it for the world to consume?

[stillpretty]

unfortunately people tend to believe their eyes

And with no extended footage before or after this scene of Jay with a clear look of anger in his face , putting his hands on a woman

It leaves a lot of room for people to REASONABLY conclude that Jay had ...... a clear look of anger in his face , putting his hands on a woman.

hhhhggggggg

Maybe if Jay were giggling or smiling or even had a HINT of a smirk on his face...OR if there were additional footage from that specific moment which provided much needed context, it would be "weird" to try and turn that interaction into something else.

... Or extract bits and pieces of the interaction between Jay and the woman to paint an unfavorable narrative against him

But that's not the case here.

Even without it being extended, it's part of Jay's movie. So what's the REASON he would seriously try to harm a woman put it in video and release it for the world to consume?

youre asking the wrong person about that.

But it's def a great question for Jay

Anyone questioning that moment has good reason to do so. It didn't look playful - at all.

[stillpretty]

and it's worth noting that it wouldn't be the first time men in this industry did things which make you scratch your head and ask "how did he think this was OK to broadcast?" - especially when it comes to abusing/demeaning women and girls.

Example: R. Kelly having Aaliyah put out an album called "Age Aint Nuttin But A Number" as he pursued her as a teenager

one would assume someone wouldn't be so blatant and outward with things. they'd attempt to hide it, they'd be ashamed.

BUT some of these men let their celebrity and power get to their head - so much to the point where they feel they are untouchable and can do or show whatever they want.

almost like...they kinda low/high key GET OFF on showing certain things to the public and letting us know who they are. without actually letting us know who they are.

especially when it comes to groups of people as unprotected as Black women and girls.

Jay-Z rapped about pimping women. showing clips of him pimp slapping one of them wasn't exactly misaligned with his brand.

[RAY7]

and it's worth noting that it wouldn't be the first time men in this industry did things which make you scratch your head and ask "how did he think this was OK to broadcast?" - especially when it comes to abusing/demeaning women and girls.

Example: R. Kelly having Aaliyah put out an album called "Age Aint Nuttin But A Number" as he pursued her as a teenager

one would assume someone wouldn't be so blatant and outward with things. they'd attempt to hide it, they'd be ashamed.

BUT some of these men let their celebrity and power get to their head - so much to the point where they feel they are untouchable and can do or show whatever they want.

almost like...they kinda low/high key GET OFF on showing certain things to the public and letting us know who they are. without actually letting us know who they are.

especially when it comes to groups of people as unprotected as Black women and girls.

Jay-Z rapped about pimping women. showing clips of him pimp slapping one of them wasn't exactly misaligned with his brand.

the thing with R Kelly that you're pointing out isn't a crime though. What he did behind the scenes by marrying her and likely having sex IS a crime but naming the album what he did, writing and producing the songs, even going around "looking" like a couple was not a crime. So we can't compare that to this moment with Jay. If he was seriously attacking that woman that is assault. We're saying he purposely put incriminating material on video 20+ years ago. When the person he assaulted could EASILY press charges on him at any point using this video?

[stillpretty]

and it's worth noting that it wouldn't be the first time men in this industry did things which make you scratch your head and ask "how did he think this was OK to broadcast?" - especially when it comes to abusing/demeaning women and girls.

Example: R. Kelly having Aaliyah put out an album called "Age Aint Nuttin But A Number" as he pursued her as a teenager

one would assume someone wouldn't be so blatant and outward with things. they'd attempt to hide it, they'd be ashamed.

BUT some of these men let their celebrity and power get to their head - so much to the point where they feel they are untouchable and can do or show whatever they want.

almost like...they kinda low/high key GET OFF on showing certain things to the public and letting us know who they are. without actually letting us know who they are.

especially when it comes to groups of people as unprotected as Black women and girls.

Jay-Z rapped about pimping women. showing clips of him pimp slapping one of them wasn't exactly misaligned with his brand.

the thing with R Kelly that you're pointing out isn't a crime though. What he did behind the scenes by marrying her and likely having sex IS a crime but naming the album what he did, writing and producing the songs, even going around "looking" like a couple was not a crime. So we can't compare that to this moment with Jay. If he was seriously attacking that woman that is assault. We're saying he purposely put incriminating material on video 20+ years ago. When the person he assaulted could EASILY press charges on him at any point using this video?

playing this game won't do you any good in this conversation

why?

jay-z literally rapped about things like being a pimp.

also known as : human trafficking

 it was not out of the norm for things that were ILLEGAL (drugs, human trafficking, violence/murder, etc) being pushed out in hip-hop as the norm.
openly bragged about, promoted. with no worries of consequence.

as i said, him pimp slapping / disrespecting a woman on camera was NOT misaligned with his rap persona.

and i say persona cuz one could effectively argue that what someone raps about is not what they actually do in real life. but since u wanna play that game, here we are playing it

Bottom line: Jay-Z is no stranger to putting out things about himself which would usually warrant arrest and even serious jail time.

[RAY7]

and it's worth noting that it wouldn't be the first time men in this industry did things which make you scratch your head and ask "how did he think this was OK to broadcast?" - especially when it comes to abusing/demeaning women and girls.

Example: R. Kelly having Aaliyah put out an album called "Age Aint Nuttin But A Number" as he pursued her as a teenager

one would assume someone wouldn't be so blatant and outward with things. they'd attempt to hide it, they'd be ashamed.

BUT some of these men let their celebrity and power get to their head - so much to the point where they feel they are untouchable and can do or show whatever they want.

almost like...they kinda low/high key GET OFF on showing certain things to the public and letting us know who they are. without actually letting us know who they are.

especially when it comes to groups of people as unprotected as Black women and girls.

Jay-Z rapped about pimping women. showing clips of him pimp slapping one of them wasn't exactly misaligned with his brand.

the thing with R Kelly that you're pointing out isn't a crime though. What he did behind the scenes by marrying her and likely having sex IS a crime but naming the album what he did, writing and producing the songs, even going around "looking" like a couple was not a crime. So we can't compare that to this moment with Jay. If he was seriously attacking that woman that is assault. We're saying he purposely put incriminating material on video 20+ years ago. When the person he assaulted could EASILY press charges on him at any point using this video?

playing this game won't do you any good in this conversation

why?

jay-z literally rapped about things like being a pimp.

also known as : human trafficking

 it was not out of the norm for things that were ILLEGAL (drugs, human trafficking, violence/murder, etc) being pushed out in hip-hop as the norm.
openly bragged about, promoted. with no worries of consequence.

as i said, him pimp slapping / disrespecting a woman on camera was NOT misaligned with his rap persona.

and i say persona cuz one could effectively argue that what someone raps about is not what they actually do in real life. but since u wanna play that game, here we are playing it

Bottom line: Jay-Z is no stranger to putting out things about himself which would usually warrant arrest and even serious jail time.

I mean lyrics in a song describing an illegal act is not the same as recording yourself doing the illegal act. Chris Brown made a song called Superhuman with Keri. Are we expecting them to really be immortal?

[stillpretty]

and it's worth noting that it wouldn't be the first time men in this industry did things which make you scratch your head and ask "how did he think this was OK to broadcast?" - especially when it comes to abusing/demeaning women and girls.

Example: R. Kelly having Aaliyah put out an album called "Age Aint Nuttin But A Number" as he pursued her as a teenager

one would assume someone wouldn't be so blatant and outward with things. they'd attempt to hide it, they'd be ashamed.

BUT some of these men let their celebrity and power get to their head - so much to the point where they feel they are untouchable and can do or show whatever they want.

almost like...they kinda low/high key GET OFF on showing certain things to the public and letting us know who they are. without actually letting us know who they are.

especially when it comes to groups of people as unprotected as Black women and girls.

Jay-Z rapped about pimping women. showing clips of him pimp slapping one of them wasn't exactly misaligned with his brand.

the thing with R Kelly that you're pointing out isn't a crime though. What he did behind the scenes by marrying her and likely having sex IS a crime but naming the album what he did, writing and producing the songs, even going around "looking" like a couple was not a crime. So we can't compare that to this moment with Jay. If he was seriously attacking that woman that is assault. We're saying he purposely put incriminating material on video 20+ years ago. When the person he assaulted could EASILY press charges on him at any point using this video?

playing this game won't do you any good in this conversation

why?

jay-z literally rapped about things like being a pimp.

also known as : human trafficking

 it was not out of the norm for things that were ILLEGAL (drugs, human trafficking, violence/murder, etc) being pushed out in hip-hop as the norm.
openly bragged about, promoted. with no worries of consequence.

as i said, him pimp slapping / disrespecting a woman on camera was NOT misaligned with his rap persona.

and i say persona cuz one could effectively argue that what someone raps about is not what they actually do in real life. but since u wanna play that game, here we are playing it

Bottom line: Jay-Z is no stranger to putting out things about himself which would usually warrant arrest and even serious jail time.

I mean lyrics in a song describing an illegal act is not the same as recording yourself doing the illegal act. Chris Brown made a song called Superhuman with Keri. Are we expecting them to really be immortal?

the victim has to press charges against you in order for you to be arrested and convicted of something like assault. they hold a lot of power in whether or not you're truly held accountable. especially when it was something done in the past that was released on video later, and especially when the attack wasn't brutal and was a mere "snuff" and "shove".

the feds aren't gonna be knocking your door down for angrily shoving someone on camera. if that were the case most of reality TV stars would be behind bars.

you've already claimed the woman in this video was a "friend" of his who "didn't complain" - which makes it very likely that he knew the possibility of being held accountable for this footage was just the same as him releasing lyrics about slinging illegal drugs
 
what else ya got

[Aamerie.]

and it's worth noting that it wouldn't be the first time men in this industry did things which make you scratch your head and ask "how did he think this was OK to broadcast?" - especially when it comes to abusing/demeaning women and girls.

Example: R. Kelly having Aaliyah put out an album called "Age Aint Nuttin But A Number" as he pursued her as a teenager

one would assume someone wouldn't be so blatant and outward with things. they'd attempt to hide it, they'd be ashamed.

BUT some of these men let their celebrity and power get to their head - so much to the point where they feel they are untouchable and can do or show whatever they want.

almost like...they kinda low/high key GET OFF on showing certain things to the public and letting us know who they are. without actually letting us know who they are.

especially when it comes to groups of people as unprotected as Black women and girls.

Jay-Z rapped about pimping women. showing clips of him pimp slapping one of them wasn't exactly misaligned with his brand.

the thing with R Kelly that you're pointing out isn't a crime though. What he did behind the scenes by marrying her and likely having sex IS a crime but naming the album what he did, writing and producing the songs, even going around "looking" like a couple was not a crime. So we can't compare that to this moment with Jay. If he was seriously attacking that woman that is assault. We're saying he purposely put incriminating material on video 20+ years ago. When the person he assaulted could EASILY press charges on him at any point using this video?

playing this game won't do you any good in this conversation

why?

jay-z literally rapped about things like being a pimp.

also known as : human trafficking

 it was not out of the norm for things that were ILLEGAL (drugs, human trafficking, violence/murder, etc) being pushed out in hip-hop as the norm.
openly bragged about, promoted. with no worries of consequence.

as i said, him pimp slapping / disrespecting a woman on camera was NOT misaligned with his rap persona.

and i say persona cuz one could effectively argue that what someone raps about is not what they actually do in real life. but since u wanna play that game, here we are playing it

Bottom line: Jay-Z is no stranger to putting out things about himself which would usually warrant arrest and even serious jail time.

Superhuman with Keri. Are we expecting them to really be immortal?

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To add here they are on her birthday

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