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It's no secret that in THIS ERA black urban stories get pushed to the forefront more often than those that don't and white executives eat it up and will often deny black creators who they don't deem "stereotypical enough".

While this may not have necessarily been his overarching point and may not be the case the for his era of sitcoms, his feelings are valid.

White people were at the helm of writing "black shows" like family matters

Living Single wasn't "hood" but it captivated audiences and still remains relevant, and was created by a black woman

Same with girlfriends.

The list goes on . Family Matters wasn't boring because it was a middle class family who wasn't on drugs. It was boring because it was a got damn spin off from a white show (Harriet had a recurring role in "perfect strangers" and got her own mess with FM) , with white writers who clearly didn't know what they were doing with that black cast and black storylines.

which is why that show needed urkel to avoid cancelation . They knew exactly what to do with an "urkel" - a character that spoke to not only a black audience but other audiences too, a character that they themselves as white people could easily infuse with their own life experiences and imagination.

Like wtf . Do y'all actually know the history of these shows?

Yeah it seems the second half of my comment went completely over your head. 

I said "that may not have been the case for his era of sitcoms" (the generation of Black Gen X starring as leads in shows, not the decade they aired in) referring to the shows you just mentioned i.e girlfriends, living single. Those shows were in fact not "hood" which was my point in that his statement is not applicable to those shows.

there are still plenty of shows being pushed that aren't hood and that black people enjoy

I didn't say there weren't though. Re-read.

[stillpretty]

It's no secret that in THIS ERA black urban stories get pushed to the forefront more often than those that don't and white executives eat it up and will often deny black creators who they don't deem "stereotypical enough".

While this may not have necessarily been his overarching point and may not be the case the for his era of sitcoms, his feelings are valid.

White people were at the helm of writing "black shows" like family matters

Living Single wasn't "hood" but it captivated audiences and still remains relevant, and was created by a black woman

Same with girlfriends.

The list goes on . Family Matters wasn't boring because it was a middle class family who wasn't on drugs. It was boring because it was a got damn spin off from a white show (Harriet had a recurring role in "perfect strangers" and got her own mess with FM) , with white writers who clearly didn't know what they were doing with that black cast and black storylines.

which is why that show needed urkel to avoid cancelation . They knew exactly what to do with an "urkel" - a character that spoke to not only a black audience but other audiences too, a character that they themselves as white people could easily infuse with their own life experiences and imagination.

Like wtf . Do y'all actually know the history of these shows?

Yeah it seems the second half of my comment went completely over your head. 

I said "that may not have been the case for his era of sitcoms" (the generation of Black Gen X starring as leads in shows, not the decade they aired in) referring to the shows you just mentioned i.e girlfriends, living single. Those shows were in fact not "hood" which was my point in that his statement is not applicable to those shows.

there are still plenty of shows being pushed that aren't hood and that black people enjoy

I didn't sat there weren't though. Re-read.

I don't need to re-read

It's already clear enough that you agree with whatever sweeping generalizations Jaleel is pushing without a recap

[I. Hate. Monica.]

If anything FM was legit lower quality than shows like living single or others cuz it almost COMPLETELY relied on the ANTICS of a clumsy nerd character to sustain its ratings

It was damn near a one man show whereas other great Black shows pulled from all the characters and the actual stories to make it what it was .

Like Stf UP jaleel.

Not blaming black ppl instead of the poor writing of those white folks who had u acting a fool and ultimately typecast.

And this was Jo Marie's biggest issue and why she left the show

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It's no secret that in THIS ERA black urban stories get pushed to the forefront more often than those that don't and white executives eat it up and will often deny black creators who they don't deem "stereotypical enough".

While this may not have necessarily been his overarching point and may not be the case the for his era of sitcoms, his feelings are valid.

White people were at the helm of writing "black shows" like family matters

Living Single wasn't "hood" but it captivated audiences and still remains relevant, and was created by a black woman

Same with girlfriends.

The list goes on . Family Matters wasn't boring because it was a middle class family who wasn't on drugs. It was boring because it was a got damn spin off from a white show (Harriet had a recurring role in "perfect strangers" and got her own mess with FM) , with white writers who clearly didn't know what they were doing with that black cast and black storylines.

which is why that show needed urkel to avoid cancelation . They knew exactly what to do with an "urkel" - a character that spoke to not only a black audience but other audiences too, a character that they themselves as white people could easily infuse with their own life experiences and imagination.

Like wtf . Do y'all actually know the history of these shows?

Yeah it seems the second half of my comment went completely over your head. 

I said "that may not have been the case for his era of sitcoms" (the generation of Black Gen X starring as leads in shows, not the decade they aired in) referring to the shows you just mentioned i.e girlfriends, living single. Those shows were in fact not "hood" which was my point in that his statement is not applicable to those shows.

there are still plenty of shows being pushed that aren't hood and that black people enjoy

I didn't sat there weren't though. Re-read.

I don't need to re-read

It's already clear enough that you agree with whatever sweeping generalizations Jaleel is pushing without a recap

It's clear that you're making grand assumptions about what you THINK I meant when you misunderstood two times in a row now...

Is being this militant and hyper vigilant not exhausting?

[stillpretty]

If anything FM was legit lower quality than shows like living single or others cuz it almost COMPLETELY relied on the ANTICS of a clumsy nerd character to sustain its ratings

It was damn near a one man show whereas other great Black shows pulled from all the characters and the actual stories to make it what it was .

Like Stf UP jaleel.

Not blaming black ppl instead of the poor writing of those white folks who had u acting a fool and ultimately typecast.

And this was Jo Marie's biggest issue and why she left the show

!!!!!!!

They were great actors dealt a bad hand by the producers and writers

Jo Marie woulda killed on the right show. Her presence and comedic timing is def up there with Janet Hubert n em.

[stillpretty]

It's no secret that in THIS ERA black urban stories get pushed to the forefront more often than those that don't and white executives eat it up and will often deny black creators who they don't deem "stereotypical enough".

While this may not have necessarily been his overarching point and may not be the case the for his era of sitcoms, his feelings are valid.

White people were at the helm of writing "black shows" like family matters

Living Single wasn't "hood" but it captivated audiences and still remains relevant, and was created by a black woman

Same with girlfriends.

The list goes on . Family Matters wasn't boring because it was a middle class family who wasn't on drugs. It was boring because it was a got damn spin off from a white show (Harriet had a recurring role in "perfect strangers" and got her own mess with FM) , with white writers who clearly didn't know what they were doing with that black cast and black storylines.

which is why that show needed urkel to avoid cancelation . They knew exactly what to do with an "urkel" - a character that spoke to not only a black audience but other audiences too, a character that they themselves as white people could easily infuse with their own life experiences and imagination.

Like wtf . Do y'all actually know the history of these shows?

Yeah it seems the second half of my comment went completely over your head. 

I said "that may not have been the case for his era of sitcoms" (the generation of Black Gen X starring as leads in shows, not the decade they aired in) referring to the shows you just mentioned i.e girlfriends, living single. Those shows were in fact not "hood" which was my point in that his statement is not applicable to those shows.

there are still plenty of shows being pushed that aren't hood and that black people enjoy

I didn't sat there weren't though. Re-read.

I don't need to re-read

It's already clear enough that you agree with whatever sweeping generalizations Jaleel is pushing without a recap

Is being this militant and hyper vigilant not exhausting?

no

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Jaleel is terrible

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Whats funny to me is Family Matters is actually more close to a hood show than Martin and Living Single low key. They were a Black family living in Chicago. They had Laura getting beat-up by a gang and jacked for her coat. They had Eddie getting in trouble for being in a white neighborhood and Carl had to rescue him because he was a cop. The aunt Rachel was a single mom raising Richie alone. The list is actually long for things that happened on that show that was kinda hood.
 He must've forgot from how much white ppl adored him but, they were not a rich suburban family surrounded by white ppl on that show.
At least Martin had professional characters. They may have cracked jokes on each other a lot but there was no gangs and shooting and drugs on that show. Same for Living Single.

[stillpretty]

i just found he actually listed Living Single as one of the "hood" shows.

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Khadijah:  successful business owner
Kyle Barker: a Wall Street executive
Maxine: attorney
Regine: the pampered princess from a well-off family

what im getting now is that he thinks  they're "hood" because of the way they COMMUNICATED with one another.  perhaps they didn't talk "properly" enough. they used ebonics. newsflash: even successful/educated/"classy" Black people code switch and enjoy using AAVE. especially when they're in the comfort of their own home and amongst friends/family.

Jaleel is giving anti-Black teas.

wagging his finger at all Black people saying we don't like anything but "hood" mess, while simultaneously putting down other Black shows that clearly didn't live up to his personal standards of what's normal.

at NO point have i seen him hold the white executives/producers/writers accountable for the HUGE hand in the trajectory his career has taken. maybe i missed it? but all i've seen from this press run is him BUSSIN shots at other Black actors, and now Black people in general.

he's clearly a great actor considering he played a nerd...cuz he doesn't seem genuinely smart.

[M-Rocka]

Whats funny to me is Family Matters is actually more close to a hood show than Martin and Living Single low key. They were a Black family living in Chicago. They had Laura getting beat-up by a gang and jacked for her coat. They had Eddie getting in trouble for being in a white neighborhood and Carl had to rescue him because he was a cop. The aunt Rachel was a single mom raising Richie alone. The list is actually long for things that happened on that show that was kinda hood.
 He must've forgot from how much white ppl adored him but, they were not a rich suburban family surrounded by white ppl on that show.
At least Martin had professional characters. They may have cracked jokes on each other a lot but there was no gangs and shooting and drugs on that show. Same for Living Single.

Don't forget when that gang trashed Rachel's Place and jumped Eddie and then Urkel went "undercover" trying to infiltrate their gang into revealing all that happened.

[I. Hate. Monica.]

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[M-Rocka]

i just found he actually listed Living Single as one of the "hood" shows.

sdssdsdsdsdss

Khadijah:  successful business owner
Kyle Barker: a Wall Street executive
Maxine: attorney
Regine: the pampered princess from a well-off family

what im getting now is that he thinks because they're "hood" because of the way they COMMUNICATED with one another.  perhaps they didn't talk "properly" enough. they used ebonics. newsflash: even successful/educated/"classy" Black people code switch and enjoy using AAVE. especially when they're in the comfort of their own home and amongst friends/family.

Jaleel is giving anti-Black teas.

wagging his finger at all Black people saying we don't like anything but "hood" mess, while simultaneously putting down other Black shows that clearly didn't live up to his personal standards of what's normal.

at NO point have i seen him hold the white executives/producers/writers accountable for the HUGE hand in the trajectory his career has taken. maybe i missed it? but all i've seen from this press run is him BUSSIN shots at other Black actors, and now Black people in general.

he's clearly a great actor considering he played a nerd...cuz he doesn't seem genuinely smart.

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Queen tried warning everyone how Jaleel was on and off the set. Like Jaleel really got pissed behind an interview Reginald VelJohnson did with ET saying that in the beginning Jaleel was difficult to work with but overall he had nothing but great things to say about him.

[stillpretty]

i just found he actually listed Living Single as one of the "hood" shows.

sdssdsdsdsdss

Khadijah:  successful business owner
Kyle Barker: a Wall Street executive
Maxine: attorney
Regine: the pampered princess from a well-off family

what im getting now is that he thinks because they're "hood" because of the way they COMMUNICATED with one another.  perhaps they didn't talk "properly" enough. they used ebonics. newsflash: even successful/educated/"classy" Black people code switch and enjoy using AAVE. especially when they're in the comfort of their own home and amongst friends/family.

Jaleel is giving anti-Black teas.

wagging his finger at all Black people saying we don't like anything but "hood" mess, while simultaneously putting down other Black shows that clearly didn't live up to his personal standards of what's normal.

at NO point have i seen him hold the white executives/producers/writers accountable for the HUGE hand in the trajectory his career has taken. maybe i missed it? but all i've seen from this press run is him BUSSIN shots at other Black actors, and now Black people in general.

he's clearly a great actor considering he played a nerd...cuz he doesn't seem genuinely smart.

View this post on Instagram

Queen tried warning everyone how Jaleel was on and off the set. Like Jaleel really got pissed behind an interview Reginald VelJohnson did with ET saying that in the beginning Jaleel was difficult to work with but overall he had nothing but great things to say about him.

I can only imagine the pure hell

[stillpretty]

But on the flip side I def think Jo Marie and Reginald made a misstep in how they talked to Jaleel about playing "myrtle urkel".

They told him that he was doing the black race a disservice by dressing up as a girl. And it affected him emotionally

I don't know why and how they thought a child would have the mental capacity and social consciousness to really absorb what they were saying to him without it feeling like an outright attack on him  and / or feeling like an extremely heavy weight was being thrown on him.

[RAY7]

It's interesting how the dynamic between Jaleel and the mother of the Winslows Jo Marie mirrored the dynamic between Will and mother of the Banks Janet Hubert. Each young man was the star of their show and didn't get along with the female adult in the cast. Each character got replaced by a lighter skinned actress later in the series
Only difference is Jaleel kinda hijacked the show from Jo Marie