Mathew Knowles: TLC and SWV Could Not Sell Records Outside of America Like DC

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RAY7

Quote from: Vonc2002 on April 12, 2026, 11:45:02 AM
Quote from: RAY7 on April 12, 2026, 11:37:56 AMI'm looking at these sales breakdowns on Wikipedia
I think TLC might have Spice Girls beat worldwide. I don't feel like calculating the sales from all these countries worldwide for all their singles.

Wikipedia says Crazy Sexy Cool And Spice both sold 23 million worldwide

Then Spice World sold 14 million
FanMail and Ooooh on TLC tip sold 10 million and 6 Million

The 3rd Spice Girls album sold about 2 million
TLC 3D sold 600k in the US


Even this is doing too much for me but I'm getting about 40 million from both groups but I think TLC is a little bit ahead
the spice girls has sold over 100 million records worldwide.  Thats singles and everything. It's not just about ALBUMS sold. Idc where u look and who u ask, the spice girls eclipses TLC. Thats not even debatable  :dead:
I was looking into all of that. Of course any publication you look at will tell you the Spice Girls sold more. That's what the media wants you to think.

Vonc2002

The way I'm digging back in and even their flop material is :gorlonfire:

SING GIRLS!
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ATLien

I don't think it's just cuz they're mostly white

I'd say Spice Girls were like a whole massive brand

All the products etc
I remember

Especially me getting suspended for calling an Indian girl curry spice

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They were def a very big thing. Their branding was so easily marketable to kids . With all the lollipops/candy and mess

I def wasnt rushing to buy their album like I was TWOTW and only know like 2 of their songs , but they were inescapable

And that could be in part to the fact that I wasn't in a mostly black school at the time of their height . So it was just always around me .

That's what makes it believable IMO 
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Vonc2002

The way no one STILL cant tell me shit about baby (emma)
This bitch STILL stunning at 50

Whenever she EASES on the track with that smooth ass tone :omf:
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Vonc2002

Quote from: ATLien on April 12, 2026, 11:54:45 AMI don't think it's just cuz they're mostly white

I'd say Spice Girls were like a whole massive brand

All the products etc
I remember

Especially me getting suspended for calling an Indian girl curry spice

Fnnfnfnfnnfnfnnfnbbbbbbbbb

They were def a very big thing. Their branding was so easily marketable to kids . With all the lollipops/candy and mess

I def wasnt rushing to buy their album like I was TWOTW and only know like 2 of their songs , but they were inescapable

And that could be in part to the fact that I wasn't in a mostly black school at the time of their height . So it was just always around me .

That's what makes it believable IMO 
The bitches had a fckn MOVIE. They were a FORCE when they came out and maybe he's just forgetting that but TLC NEVER was what the spice girls were....like  EVER and I like TLC
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ATLien

Quote from: Vonc2002 on April 12, 2026, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: ATLien on April 12, 2026, 11:54:45 AMI don't think it's just cuz they're mostly white

I'd say Spice Girls were like a whole massive brand

All the products etc
I remember

Especially me getting suspended for calling an Indian girl curry spice

Fnnfnfnfnnfnfnnfnbbbbbbbbb

They were def a very big thing. Their branding was so easily marketable to kids . With all the lollipops/candy and mess

I def wasnt rushing to buy their album like I was TWOTW and only know like 2 of their songs , but they were inescapable

And that could be in part to the fact that I wasn't in a mostly black school at the time of their height . So it was just always around me .

That's what makes it believable IMO 
The bitches had a fckn MOVIE. They were a FORCE when they came out and maybe he's just forgetting that but TLC NEVER was what the spice girls were....like  EVER and I like TLC
i think theyre kinda boring musically but their branding was def A1

i mean if they sold more its great but its kinda like comparing Taylor Swift to Beyonce
which a lot of people try to do

and saying Taylor is "better" and referencing sales and figures as if that proves their opinion to be fact

if fas was a White woman with just half the talent and "it" factor she has we wouldn't know a got damn Taylor Swift

but its like ok gor ... let her have it n stuff



for me a TLC/DC vs Spice Girls debate is silly

id rather discuss how GODlli BOOKED the gorls in her lane :trannyjblige:
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RAY7

Quote from: ATLien on April 12, 2026, 11:54:45 AMI don't think it's just cuz they're mostly white

I'd say Spice Girls were like a whole massive brand

All the products etc
I remember

Especially me getting suspended for calling an Indian girl curry spice

Fnnfnfnfnnfnfnnfnbbbbbbbbb

They were def a very big thing. Their branding was so easily marketable to kids . With all the lollipops/candy and mess

I def wasnt rushing to buy their album like I was TWOTW and only know like 2 of their songs , but they were inescapable

And that could be in part to the fact that I wasn't in a mostly black school at the time of their height . So it was just always around me .

That's what makes it believable IMO 
oh they were a huge brand. My sister had a Mel B toy, and different merch. There was even a video game and everything. However that doesn't instantly translate into record sales. They were kinda like Hannah Montana was, or like the Power Rangers or other 90s fads that lasted like 5 years.

I just calculated all the certifications for "Wannabe"
It sold 7.1 million worldwide
No Scrubs sold 8 million between the US and UK alone

The girls were huge stars but no one took them seriously as artists

ATLien

Quote from: RAY7 on April 12, 2026, 12:11:54 PM
Quote from: ATLien on April 12, 2026, 11:54:45 AMI don't think it's just cuz they're mostly white

I'd say Spice Girls were like a whole massive brand

All the products etc
I remember

Especially me getting suspended for calling an Indian girl curry spice

Fnnfnfnfnnfnfnnfnbbbbbbbbb

They were def a very big thing. Their branding was so easily marketable to kids . With all the lollipops/candy and mess

I def wasnt rushing to buy their album like I was TWOTW and only know like 2 of their songs , but they were inescapable

And that could be in part to the fact that I wasn't in a mostly black school at the time of their height . So it was just always around me .

That's what makes it believable IMO 
oh they were a huge brand. My sister had a Mel B toy, and different merch. There was even a video game and everything. However that doesn't instantly translate into record sales. They were kinda like Hannah Montana was, or like the Power Rangers or other 90s fads that lasted like 5 years.

I just calculated all the certifications for "Wannabe"
It sold 7.1 million worldwide
No Scrubs sold 8 million between the US and UK alone

The girls were huge stars but no one took them seriously as artists
i think its just a combo of things

yes theyre White but also when u consider the branding, the super pop/ dance-pop music....

GODlli and DC were moreso R&B/pop crossover as opposed to pure pop.

by the strictest R&B standards they were very poppy of course but in comparison to the Spice Girls their music def was designed to hook their Black audience and then spread out as much as possible to other audiences. Which they did perfectly

but i believe SG is the best selling. i mean it makes sense with ALL factors considered. now if someone comes to tell me the group "Dream" was out here booking platinum plaques I'd say yeah gorl u just saying that cuz they're White.

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Vonc2002

The preference part isn't even worth mentioning.  Thats like comparing michael to prince musically when they are VASTLY different. We're discussing numbers in here and if it's about numbers the spice girls EASILY win. Ray can run around in here but theres thing u just cant deny. Like...well THIS for example


TLC can NOT do this.  First of all, TLC cant sell out a stadium or even do a stadium tour, FLAT OUT! These bitches did a MONTH! STADIUM tour, ONLY did 13 shows, and ONLY did the UK and Ireland and made 78 million fckn dollars.  The ONLY girl group discussed in here that can do anything even remotely similar is DC. Talk is cheap, let's talk numbers :dead:
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Vonc2002

Like these bitches made 78 million dollars for 13 shows in a fckn MONTH! :plzstop:
NONE of these girls are doing that!
Propaganda :kii:
And if u do even the smallest amount of looking online they are still asking these girls to tour and "WHEN THEY GONNA DO IT" while they sit around like MAYBE, who knows hehe :roflmao:
The demand is just NOT the same  :omf:
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RAY7

Quote from: Vonc2002 on April 12, 2026, 12:17:31 PMThe preference part isn't even worth mentioning.  Thats like comparing michael to prince musically when they are VASTLY different. We're discussing numbers in here and if it's about numbers the spice girls EASILY win. Ray can run around in here but theres thing u just cant deny. Like...well THIS for example


TLC can NOT do this.  First of all, TLC cant sell out a stadium or even do a stadium tour, FLAT OUT! These bitches did a MONTH! STADIUM tour, ONLY did 13 shows, and ONLY did the UK and Ireland and made 78 million fckn dollars.  The ONLY girl group discussed in here that can do anything even remotely similar is DC. Talk is cheap, let's talk numbers :dead:
um we were talking about record sales. Congrats on this big reunion concert

and that's not even fair to TLC because one of their members died 20 years ago in their prime and one is fighting for her life with sickle cell. Of course they're not putting on a huge tour, and are barely making it with the tour they're currently on

Vonc2002

Yea the spice girls have member issues as well. As u see there Victoria wasnt there. All this nonsense about health issues :dead:
TLC is still currently touring amidst health issues if the demand was there for them to do a stadium tour THEY WOULD. This CLEARLY shows their levels arent the same. TLC isn't even doing arenas, let alone stadiums. I'm not gonna have this convo when the numbers speak for themselves but u can continue rambling on about propaganda.
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RAY7

The numbers do speak
Waterfalls sold 1.2 million in the US
and Spice Up Your life sold 600k in the whole world including the US

ATLien

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RAY7

Of course more ppl will go to a Spice Girls concert when they know all of them are ALIVE and healthy enough to be there, and with FIVE members they can fill in if one doesn't come
Meanwhile you have Chilli perfectly fine but T Boz is overweight and prone to having "crises" with her sickle cell and she can't dance full out like she used to. No promoter is booking them for a big stadium tour

Their songs still can and likely have sold more than Spice Girls though