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[Herb.]

For starters:

"She knew what she was doing" is the same thing they're saying about her being an opportunist.

I can comfortably say that Malcolm X knew what he was doing as well. Am I calling him an opportunist? Does clear intent automatically equate to that? According to you, it appears that it does. But then again, I never SPECIFIED what I meant when I stated that "she knew she was doing". You interpreted it in a way that supports YOUR argument.

Still reading.

What did you mean?

Whenever I see you say "she knew what she was doing" it seemed to me like you meant she knew how to cause controversy. To cause all this convasashun.

That was your assumption. And that's where you messed up.

I mean that her message through her visuals and movement were CLEAR. It wasn't something like Frank typing up a very general letter about a relationship and leaving it to interpretation. Imagine him pairing that letter with a video of him kissing a man instead. It would be taking something that could be left to the imagination, and making sure your message is crystal clear.

It doesn't get more clear than a sign in your video saying "stop shooting us".

Let's be clear on this:
Your opinions on her intent are just that.
But in the grand scheme of morality, impact ALWAYS trumps intent. Regardless of whether the outcome is good or bad. Fact is that she drummed up some valuable conversations and injected many people with a sense of Black pride.

How seriously you take it all is totally up to you. But just know that does NOT affect the impact.

[yummy]

The visual/choreo is what really drives Formation home. The song is nothing special imo.

pretty much fff the visual is probably the most powerful thing about it

the 'hands up don't shoot' scene, the katrina waters etc;

I (personally) can't find the profundity in her singing about how rich she is and how good she wants to be fucked but this is all subjective

[BAPHOMET.]

For starters:

"She knew what she was doing" is the same thing they're saying about her being an opportunist.

I can comfortably say that Malcolm X knew what he was doing as well. Am I calling him an opportunist? Does clear intent automatically equate to that? According to you, it appears that it does. But then again, I never SPECIFIED what I meant when I stated that "she knew she was doing". You interpreted it in a way that supports YOUR argument.

Still reading.

What did you mean?

Whenever I see you say "she knew what she was doing" it seemed to me like you meant she knew how to cause controversy. To cause all this convasashun.

When Kandi and Todd talk about divorce before a season on RHOA, it's promo for the upcoming season.

So to "tackle" a social issue and use the biggest platform on TV to do it at the start of a new era spells marketing/opportunist to most, not organic, genuine, or out of necessity/passion.

1. wtf

2. That was kinda the point. Put it on the biggest platform for all to see. 

3. Its a new song for the new era. But an opportunistic individual would've tried to milk it for everything that it could get from it in this day & age.

Like... money from VEVO views (not on there), Streaming services money, and on itunes. 

no one makes much money from vevo views and streams lol that's nothing

It's ok for her to be an opportunist. It's a business if you think she wasn't being just that, then ur wrong IMO. She's benefited from the timing and platform of it all, period. As she should

What did she benefit from possibly tarnishing herself? 

Queen Beys can never be Tarn'

She knows that

I agree. kinda

but there's that small chance it could have destroyed her.

[L0NZ.]

The sense in someone saying a message isnt there, and in the same breath downplaying that same nonexistent message lies in what 'disingenuous' refers to.

Still making very little sense. If there is no message, how is it received? That's like the basics of communication. A message, the channel and the recipient. You cannot accept what is not there. View the videos I posted above.

The reception of this 'message' is not what's in question.

Oh, we all know what was received through this song.

Fuck me good and take me to Red Lobster.

No one questioned that.

The intent behind the attempt at being a political channel, is what I mentioned.

Well it became the topic of many political discussions.

Rudy Guliani wasn't talking about Red Lobster. Nor were many newspeople. Or the Black Panther founders. Maybe that's all you see. And that's fine.

Ok Rudy and FoxNews were calling her racist because she wore a costume.

And Indian people accused her of appropriation because she wore a costume.

But a movement to you too love you bit

[Herb.]

The visual/choreo is what really drives Formation home. The song is nothing special imo.

pretty much fff the visual is probably the most powerful thing about it

the 'hands up don't shoot' scene, the katrina waters etc;

I (personally) can't find the profundity in her singing about how rich she is and how good she wants to be fucked but this is all subjective

I never argued that the song Formation on its own is some amazing ode to Blackness. 

It's really the entire "Formation" package . I stan for the movement. Not her talking about Red Lobster.  Maybe I need to be clear on that.

[L0NZ.]

For starters:

"She knew what she was doing" is the same thing they're saying about her being an opportunist.

I can comfortably say that Malcolm X knew what he was doing as well. Am I calling him an opportunist? Does clear intent automatically equate to that? According to you, it appears that it does. But then again, I never SPECIFIED what I meant when I stated that "she knew she was doing". You interpreted it in a way that supports YOUR argument.

Still reading.

What did you mean?

Whenever I see you say "she knew what she was doing" it seemed to me like you meant she knew how to cause controversy. To cause all this convasashun.

That was your assumption. And that's where you messed up.

I mean that her message through her visuals and movement were CLEAR. It wasn't something like Frank typing up a very general letter about a relationship and leaving it to interpretation. Imagine him pairing that letter with a video of him kissing a man instead. It would be taking something that could be left to the imagination, and making sure your message is crystal clear.

It doesn't get more clear than a sign in your video saying "stop shooting us".

Let's be clear on this:
Your opinions on her intent are just that.
But in the grand scheme of morality, impact ALWAYS trumps intent. Regardless of whether the outcome is good or bad. Fact is that she drummed up some valuable conversations and injected many people with a sense of Black pride.

How seriously you take it all is totally up to you. But just know that does NOT affect the impact.

I understand you sis. Im outta here. My ass hurts gottta stretch these glutes a bit k

[Herb.]

The sense in someone saying a message isnt there, and in the same breath downplaying that same nonexistent message lies in what 'disingenuous' refers to.

Still making very little sense. If there is no message, how is it received? That's like the basics of communication. A message, the channel and the recipient. You cannot accept what is not there. View the videos I posted above.

The reception of this 'message' is not what's in question.

Oh, we all know what was received through this song.

Fuck me good and take me to Red Lobster.

No one questioned that.

The intent behind the attempt at being a political channel, is what I mentioned.

Well it became the topic of many political discussions.

Rudy Guliani wasn't talking about Red Lobster. Nor were many newspeople. Or the Black Panther founders. Maybe that's all you see. And that's fine.

Ok Rudy and FoxNews were calling her racist because she wore a costume.

And Indian people accused her of appropriation because she wore a costume.

Not the same thing. Because if a white person put on a Black Panthers "costume" they wouldn't be considered racist. Or pushing a Black agenda. It would be a kii.

But if a white person wore a Ku Klux Klan outfit for Halloween, they would be stoned, whether or not they were aligned with the ideals of the KKK. Even if they just thought it was a cute lil kii.

Sometimes it's not about the "costume", but who's wearing it, and the channel it's worn in that will make the difference between a kii cackle and a serious message, irrespective of intent.

[L0NZ.]

Formation did not snatch me like it did the rest of you girls, I just can't go up for it at all. I hope she has a few more songs in this "movie" and I hope she goes back to Saaanging because everything she been serving since the Beyonc? era has lacked  the Beyonc? I grew to love the Beyonc? that saang down #ImJustSayin

yeah lol

I dont know, the Beyonce I need is sing songy in a sweet butter voice with unique melodies. I was listening to Keep Giving Your Love To Me all last week just fucking floating. I need that.

[yummy]

The visual/choreo is what really drives Formation home. The song is nothing special imo.

pretty much fff the visual is probably the most powerful thing about it

the 'hands up don't shoot' scene, the katrina waters etc;

I (personally) can't find the profundity in her singing about how rich she is and how good she wants to be fucked but this is all subjective

I never argued that the song Formation on its own is some amazing ode to Blackness. 

It's really the entire "Formation" package . I stan for the movement. Not her talking about Red Lobster.  Maybe I need to be clear on that.

I was talking more in general, but what exactly is the movement? because I'm not seeing anything new or groundbreaking aside from the visuals served up in that video and a few upset white folks.

[L0NZ.]

Oh wait forgot to say this guys. My initial thought when I read the thread title was "bran gor." f shits not fair

[Herb.]

The visual/choreo is what really drives Formation home. The song is nothing special imo.

pretty much fff the visual is probably the most powerful thing about it

the 'hands up don't shoot' scene, the katrina waters etc;

I (personally) can't find the profundity in her singing about how rich she is and how good she wants to be fucked but this is all subjective

I never argued that the song Formation on its own is some amazing ode to Blackness. 

It's really the entire "Formation" package . I stan for the movement. Not her talking about Red Lobster.  Maybe I need to be clear on that.

I was talking more in general, but what exactly is the movement? because I'm not seeing anything new or groundbreaking aside from the visuals served up in that video and a few upset white folks.

hehe! That's enough movement for me tbh



but ssss
When I reference a movement, of course it's nothing on a grand scale. I am referring to the presentation and message. I'm just here for ALL of it.

You won't find me anywhere calling her the female MLK. But I definitely respect Formation. And I hope she sprinkles it through the entire project.

[GYNandTONIC]

For starters:

"She knew what she was doing" is the same thing they're saying about her being an opportunist.

I can comfortably say that Malcolm X knew what he was doing as well. Am I calling him an opportunist? Does clear intent automatically equate to that? According to you, it appears that it does. But then again, I never SPECIFIED what I meant when I stated that "she knew she was doing". You interpreted it in a way that supports YOUR argument.

Still reading.

What did you mean?

Whenever I see you say "she knew what she was doing" it seemed to me like you meant she knew how to cause controversy. To cause all this convasashun.

That was your assumption. And that's where you messed up.

I mean that her message through her visuals and movement were CLEAR. It wasn't something like Frank typing up a very general letter about a relationship and leaving it to interpretation. Imagine him pairing that letter with a video of him kissing a man instead. It would be taking something that could be left to the imagination, and making sure your message is crystal clear.

It doesn't get more clear than a sign in your video saying "stop shooting us".

Let's be clear on this:
Your opinions on her intent are just that.
But in the grand scheme of morality, impact ALWAYS trumps intent. Regardless of whether the outcome is good or bad. Fact is that she drummed up some valuable conversations and injected many people with a sense of Black pride.

How seriously you take it all is totally up to you. But just know that does NOT affect the impact.

SNL skit...Rudy...Boycott...Social Commentary...Super Bowl...50th Anniversary...Black History Month...still discussing Beyonce

The fucking impact

[Herb.]

For starters:

"She knew what she was doing" is the same thing they're saying about her being an opportunist.

I can comfortably say that Malcolm X knew what he was doing as well. Am I calling him an opportunist? Does clear intent automatically equate to that? According to you, it appears that it does. But then again, I never SPECIFIED what I meant when I stated that "she knew she was doing". You interpreted it in a way that supports YOUR argument.

Still reading.

What did you mean?

Whenever I see you say "she knew what she was doing" it seemed to me like you meant she knew how to cause controversy. To cause all this convasashun.

That was your assumption. And that's where you messed up.

I mean that her message through her visuals and movement were CLEAR. It wasn't something like Frank typing up a very general letter about a relationship and leaving it to interpretation. Imagine him pairing that letter with a video of him kissing a man instead. It would be taking something that could be left to the imagination, and making sure your message is crystal clear.

It doesn't get more clear than a sign in your video saying "stop shooting us".

Let's be clear on this:
Your opinions on her intent are just that.
But in the grand scheme of morality, impact ALWAYS trumps intent. Regardless of whether the outcome is good or bad. Fact is that she drummed up some valuable conversations and injected many people with a sense of Black pride.

How seriously you take it all is totally up to you. But just know that does NOT affect the impact.

SNL skit...Rudy...Boycott...Social Commentary...Super Bowl...50th Anniversary...Black History Month...still discussing Beyonce

The fucking impact

nnn

I mean, let's be CLEAR.

[One Of Those Nights.]

Some of you are such hypocrites. When Macklemore did it, he was an opportunist. When Beyonce did it, it's organic lmao

Make up your minds dummies.

I think it is authentic for Beyonce. A lot of black people make fun of JZ's lips & Blue Ivy's hair & she was DONE!

[RekeRig]

For starters:

"She knew what she was doing" is the same thing they're saying about her being an opportunist.

I can comfortably say that Malcolm X knew what he was doing as well. Am I calling him an opportunist? Does clear intent automatically equate to that? According to you, it appears that it does. But then again, I never SPECIFIED what I meant when I stated that "she knew she was doing". You interpreted it in a way that supports YOUR argument.

Still reading.

What did you mean?

Whenever I see you say "she knew what she was doing" it seemed to me like you meant she knew how to cause controversy. To cause all this convasashun.

That was your assumption. And that's where you messed up.

dssddddd I see what you did here. Wait Quee'