Az' Banks knows

Started by FlowerBomb, July 19, 2016, 04:09:43 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

FlowerBomb

The Arabs did it to Africans during the Arab slave trade with Islam, and the Europeans to Africans during the European Slave trade.
Most slaves began to educate themselves through the bible, they learnt how to write and speak by studying it.
Not saying that every single slave was forced into Christianity, but most of them were, generations after that were BORN into Christianity and never rebelled against it or questioned it because it's the only thing they knew. Some slaves willingly accepted it but also aligned it against their own traditional values, because some of the traditions in African Vodun, spirituality is quite similar to Christianity.

QuoteHistorical records show that Islam and Christianity played an important role in enslavement in Africa. The Arab-controlled Trans-Saharan slave trade helped to institutionalise slave trading on the continent. And during the 'age of expedition', European Christians witnessed caravans loaded with Africans en-route to the Middle East. Others arriving much later in West Africa observed slavery in African societies, leading them to assume that African enslavement was intrinsic to the continent.

For many of these early European explorers, the Bible was not only regarded as infallible, it was also their primary reference tool and those looking for answers to explain differences in ethnicity, culture, and slavery, found them in Genesis 9: 24-27, which appeared to suggest that it was all a result of 'sin'.

In the Genesis passage, Africans were said to be the descendants of Ham, the son of Noah, who was cursed by his father after looking at his naked form. Moreover, in Genesis 10, the 'Table of Nations' describes the origins of the different 'races' and reveals that one of the descendants of Ham is 'Cush' - Cush and the 'Cushites' were people associated with the Nile region of North Africa.

In time, the connection Europeans made between sin, slavery, skin colour and beliefs would condemn Africans. In the Bible, physical or spiritual slavery is often a consequence of sinful actions, while darkness is associated with evil. Moreover, the Africans were subsequently considered 'heathens' bereft of Christianity, although scholars now suggest that Christianity reached Africa as early as the early 2nd century AD and that the Christian communities in North Africa were among the first in the world. However, Europeans doubtlessly refused to acknowledge the relevance of African Christianity as it appeared irreconcilable with the continent's cultural surroundings.



QuoteReligion was also a driving force during slavery in the Americas. Once they arrived at their new locales the enslaved Africans were subjected to various processes to make them more compliant, and Christianity formed part of this. Ironically, although the assertion of evangelisation was one of the justifications for enslaving Africans, very little missionary work actually took place during the early years. In short, religion got in the way of a moneymaking venture by taking Africans away from their work. It also taught them potentially subversive ideas and made it hard to justify the cruel mistreatment of fellow Christians.

However, some clergy tried to push the idea that it was possible to be a 'good slave and Christian' and pointed to St Paul's epistles, which called for slaves to 'obey their masters', and St Peter's letters (1 Peter 2: 18-25), which appeared to suggest that it was wholly commendable for Christian slaves to suffer at the hands of cruel masters.

RAY7

Quote from: Capricorn King on July 20, 2016, 07:43:04 AM
gtt Ray its kinda of a well known fact that religion, specifically Christianity was used to make slaves more compliant
why do you think they never wanted them to learn how to read and write?
An educated slave is a dangerous slave
that is different though
them just telling us to recite prayers and scripture to calm down
isn't the same as forcing the whole religion on us
You're not a Christian just because you know a couple of scriptures
there's more to it than that

FlowerBomb

Quote from: Yar backwards on July 20, 2016, 07:52:47 AM
Quote from: Capricorn King on July 20, 2016, 07:43:04 AM
gtt Ray its kinda of a well known fact that religion, specifically Christianity was used to make slaves more compliant
why do you think they never wanted them to learn how to read and write?
An educated slave is a dangerous slave
that is different though
them just telling us to recite prayers and scripture to calm down

who said they were just made to "recite prayers and scriptures"?
It's more than just relaying a few words back and forth
It's about WHATS in those specif prayers and scriptures, the intent behind it and what actions come from it.
Words are a powerful tool, it can be used to enlighten the mind, or to dumb it down, in this case it was used as the latter

RAY7

Quote from: Capricorn King on July 20, 2016, 07:56:36 AM
Quote from: Yar backwards on July 20, 2016, 07:52:47 AM
Quote from: Capricorn King on July 20, 2016, 07:43:04 AM
gtt Ray its kinda of a well known fact that religion, specifically Christianity was used to make slaves more compliant
why do you think they never wanted them to learn how to read and write?
An educated slave is a dangerous slave
that is different though
them just telling us to recite prayers and scripture to calm down

who said they were just made to "recite prayers and scriptures"?
It's more than just relaying a few words back and forth
It's about WHATS in those specif prayers and scriptures, the intent behind it and what actions come from it.
Words are a powerful tool, it can be used to enlighten the mind, or to dumb it down, in this case it was used as the latter
ok but that's not my argument and that's why you edited
they wanted to dumb us down
but they didn't want us to be "Christian" that's my point
that goes against what Azealia is saying

Black ppl being Christian today is from education and experience
we're not just mindless sheep anymore and still the Black church is stable

KING BENTLEY.

July 20, 2016, 08:11:51 AM #109 Last Edit: July 20, 2016, 08:18:57 AM by BENTLEY!
Quote from: Yar backwards on July 20, 2016, 06:53:44 AM
This BS Bhhhhbvv
white slave owners didn't even want us to learn how to read or write
but they so called forced a religion on us?
A religion where the deity is born in Africa?
I'm trying to picture the white slave owners reading the bible to us
and being nice and explaining things with patience
Makes no sense to me whatsoever, everyone believe what you wish though
awww I do love how passionate you are about faith
There are actually some parts of the bible that are very similar to prior religions, even Jesus, so I think we give them too much credit by thinking they created anything  "hey, let's make the diety born in Africa." They were just "copy and pasting" stories together to make something stick in that council so they could get to crusading tbh :dead:

Which would explain the total ignorance on his appearance over the centuries. If they KNOW his location of birth, they would logically KNOW what ppl he came from ....

But still plaster a white man with long hair and a beard in your Sunday school class?
:hmph:

H.#.G.*.Z

LOONA.

A prime example of a brainwashed christian.   :dead: 

RAY7

Says the hell bound atheist free spirit

FlowerBomb


FlowerBomb

Like I said, all religion can be used for good or evil, there are just so many instances where it's been used for the latter, like the OP was, you have to ask yourself WHY are you a particular religion to begin with?
I know for most Christians, its something they were born into and don't question

yummy

July 20, 2016, 08:43:18 AM #114 Last Edit: July 20, 2016, 08:43:48 AM by ANIMMAI
Quote from: Trey on July 19, 2016, 09:12:28 PM
D

Or from a Christian standpoint, maybe God allowed slavery to happen in order for blacks to hear the gospel and accept Christ....

g

:shannonsmissing:

FlowerBomb

Quote from: Yar backwards on July 20, 2016, 08:19:26 AM
Says the hell bound atheist free spirit
with this idea, do you think your ancestors are in hell?
The ones that practiced their own faith before Christianity you practice was brought into Africa?

LOONA.

The way every christian assumes everyone who doesn't blindly follow religion is an athetist is such a KI.  :kii:   

yummy

Quote from: Yar backwards on July 20, 2016, 07:52:47 AM
Quote from: Capricorn King on July 20, 2016, 07:43:04 AM
gtt Ray its kinda of a well known fact that religion, specifically Christianity was used to make slaves more compliant
why do you think they never wanted them to learn how to read and write?
An educated slave is a dangerous slave
that is different though
them just telling us to recite prayers and scripture to calm down
isn't the same as forcing the whole religion on us
You're not a Christian just because you know a couple of scriptures
there's more to it than that

So you honestly believe most slaves came into Christian faith by choice with no coercion or influence from the slaveowners who followed the same religion?

:udontlookok:

RAY7

Quote from: Capricorn King on July 20, 2016, 08:44:08 AM
Quote from: Yar backwards on July 20, 2016, 08:19:26 AM
Says the hell bound atheist free spirit
with this idea, do you think your ancestors are in hell?
The ones that practiced their own faith before Christianity you practice was brought into Africa?
actually no, I don't even think of Drais as really hell bound
apparently no one is anywhere until judgement day
and God is a forgiving God

RAY7

Quote from: ANIMMAI on July 20, 2016, 08:48:42 AM
Quote from: Yar backwards on July 20, 2016, 07:52:47 AM
Quote from: Capricorn King on July 20, 2016, 07:43:04 AM
gtt Ray its kinda of a well known fact that religion, specifically Christianity was used to make slaves more compliant
why do you think they never wanted them to learn how to read and write?
An educated slave is a dangerous slave
that is different though
them just telling us to recite prayers and scripture to calm down
isn't the same as forcing the whole religion on us
You're not a Christian just because you know a couple of scriptures
there's more to it than that

So you honestly believe most slaves came into Christian faith by choice with no coercion or influence from the slaveowners who followed the same religion?

:udontlookok:
I would say the few slaves that became Christian during those times did so because they secretly learned how to read and understand it
then passed what knowledge they gained to the others

the rest of Black Americans who are Christian probably started after slavery was abolished and the white ppl were forced by the gov't
to let us start our own churches