Do you think that Usher is an icon?

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FlowerBomb

Quote from: AYR on October 10, 2016, 07:14:04 PM
Quote from: COCO on October 10, 2016, 07:11:15 PM
I dunno
MTV for example gave the Vanguard award to Bey, JT, Brit, Kanye and Rihanna, but Usher debuted years before all of them and is the only one with a Diamond selling album.
and BET gave the Musical Excellence award to him and none of them
but I guess the white award is better?
yh

MAY

I'm sorry, but I don't consider Usher an icon.

Besides that 'Confessions' plaque, I just don't see it.

yummy

Where was Usher's mother when he was recording these R Kelly leftovers before he hit puberty? I'm disgusted.

RAY7

Quote from: COCO on October 10, 2016, 07:12:26 PM
defef who wasn't singing about sex in the 90's
:uhh:
Brandy
Monica
Tevin Campbell
NSynce, BSB, Britney
Immature, you know the YOUNG artist

XXX.

Usher is an R&B legend with more classics than any other artist his age.  His catalog (minus the last 2 albums) is pretty much flawless.  The Confessions album went Diamond and he was pretty much the biggest artist in the game at one point.  Back in the 90's, everyone wanted to "dance like Usher" or had Usher posters on their walls.  He was able to adapt at the start of the 2000's pioneering the futuristic Neptunes sound to R&B and later adapting and pioneering to the crunk sound with Lil Jon.  Being adaptable is the key to longevity.  His music is his impact.  Like many artists who have huge blockbuster albums, though, it became his downfall.  It took Polow leaking "Love In This Club" for him to even release another single.  The impact of his previous album helped that song fly to #1 within weeks.  But he steered away from his heartthrob image, got married, acted crazy on TRL defending Tameka, sued his biggest fansite for hating on his wife, and the Here I Stand album was a little too mature for his core audience.  By 30, he was cooling off.

But is he iconic in the way Britney or Beyonce are?

No.  And that's simply because outside of the music, there isn't really anything interesting about Usher.  No iconic outfits, no real iconic routines (even though he is a phonemonal dancer) like "Remember The Time", "Thriller", "Vogue", "Rhythm Nation", "Single Ladies", "I'm A Slave 4 U"......  No snake, no metal glove or alter ego, no bodysuit with the ass out....

There's no frenzy.  There's no real hype.  He can probably walk down the street without causing too much of a commotion.  And now he's sitting on The Voice alongside Shakira (who's being paid more).  When Mariah did American Idol, she was paid the most.  When Britney did X-Factor, she was paid the most.  And sadly, that just makes him seem desperate and washed up.  Not to mention, he's on Snapchat desperately taking nude pictures.  Didn't he just star in a movie?  If he were truly ICONIC, everything he does would in someway become an extension of his iconography.  He's just regular as hell now.

Usher is an R&B legend.  But he is not ICONIC.


RAY7

Quote from: ANIMMAI on October 10, 2016, 07:15:21 PM
Where was Usher's mother when he was recording these R Kelly leftovers before he hit puberty? I'm disgusted.
she sent him to stay with Diddy
and he, has always said that wasnt the best place for a kid
the songs didnt sound like Molest at all though
more Jodeci

FlowerBomb

I mean I was just making a point that all those artist have been awarded the biggest award in music and they've consistently overlook Usher even though he came out before all of them and has one of the biggest albums of all time
The Vangaurd award isn't a "white" award, not when it's named after Michael Jackson
It's funny how MJ is his biggest infulence yet...

FINE.

Quote from: BLOND?. on October 10, 2016, 07:16:24 PM
Usher is an R&B legend with more classics than any other artist his age.  His catalog (minus the last 2 albums) is pretty much flawless.  The Confessions album went Diamond and he was pretty much the biggest artist in the game at one point.  Back in the 90's, everyone wanted to "dance like Usher" or had Usher posters on their walls.  He was able to adapt at the start of the 2000's pioneering the futuristic Neptunes sound to R&B and later adapting and pioneering to the crunk sound with Lil Jon.  Being adaptable is the key to longevity.  His music is his impact.  Like many artists who have huge blockbuster albums, though, it became his downfall.  It took Polow leaking "Love In This Club" for him to even release another single.  The impact of his previous album helped that song fly to #1 within weeks.  But he steered away from his heartthrob image, got married, acted crazy on TRL defending Tameka, sued his biggest fansite for hating on his wife, and the Here I Stand album was a little too mature for his core audience.  By 30, he was cooling off.

But is he iconic in the way Britney or Beyonce are?

No.  And that's simply because outside of the music, there isn't really anything interesting about Usher.  No iconic outfits, no real iconic routines (even though he is a phonemonal dancer) like "Remember The Time", "Thriller", "Vogue", "Rhythm Nation", "Single Ladies", "I'm A Slave 4 U"......  No snake, no metal glove or alter ego, no bodysuit with the ass out....

There's no frenzy.  There's no real hype.  He can probably walk down the street without causing too much of a commotion.  And now he's sitting on The Voice alongside Shakira (who's being paid more).  When Mariah did American Idol, she was paid the most.  When Britney did X-Factor, she was paid the most.  And sadly, that just makes him seem desperate and washed up.  Not to mention, he's on Snapchat desperately taking nude pictures.  Didn't he just star in a movie?  If he were truly ICONIC, everything he does would in someway become an extension of his iconography.  He's just regular as hell now.

Usher is an R&B legend.  But he is not ICONIC.
omg bae

SouravMay

Let us put it like this. Remove his plaques and Billboard stats he wouldn't be shit. No iconic performances, no critical acclaim, no influence...
B7

yummy

Quote from: AYR on October 10, 2016, 07:17:07 PM
Quote from: ANIMMAI on October 10, 2016, 07:15:21 PM
Where was Usher's mother when he was recording these R Kelly leftovers before he hit puberty? I'm disgusted.
she sent him to stay with Diddy
and he, has always said that wasnt the best place for a kid
the songs didnt sound like Molest at all though
more Jodeci

So she was a neglectful parent who let her child be sexualized for a chance at stardom.

How sad.

FlowerBomb

Quote from: AYR on October 10, 2016, 07:15:33 PM
Quote from: COCO on October 10, 2016, 07:12:26 PM
defef who wasn't singing about sex in the 90's
:uhh:
Brandy
Monica
Tevin Campbell
NSynce, BSB, Britney
Immature, you know the YOUNG artist
please everyone had some "mature" content :dead:

MAY


RAY7

Quote from: BLOND?. on October 10, 2016, 07:16:24 PM
But is he iconic in the way Britney or Beyonce are?

No.  And that's simply because outside of the music, there isn't really anything interesting about Usher.  No iconic outfits, no real iconic routines (even though he is a phonemonal dancer) like "Remember The Time", "Thriller", "Vogue", "Rhythm Nation", "Single Ladies", "I'm A Slave 4 U"......  No snake, no metal glove or alter ego, no bodysuit with the ass out....

There's no frenzy.  There's no real hype.  He can probably walk down the street without causing too much of a commotion.  And now he's sitting on The Voice alongside Shakira (who's being paid more).  When Mariah did American Idol, she was paid the most.  When Britney did X-Factor, she was paid the most.  And sadly, that just makes him seem desperate and washed up.  Not to mention, he's on Snapchat desperately taking nude pictures.  Didn't he just star in a movie?  If he were truly ICONIC, everything he does would in someway become an extension of his iconography.  He's just regular as hell now.

Usher is an R&B legend.  But he is not ICONIC.
this is BS and probably cuz you're gay
no offense
ppl are always invested in his love life first of all, hes not even on the Voice anymore
the moves at the end of Yeah! are Iconic
ppl definitely copied the Jeans & Blazer with fitted style during Confessions
I think he's just not "cunt" which is why you dont see him like Bey & Britney

MAY

Quote from: AYR on October 10, 2016, 07:17:07 PM
Quote from: ANIMMAI on October 10, 2016, 07:15:21 PM
Where was Usher's mother when he was recording these R Kelly leftovers before he hit puberty? I'm disgusted.
she sent him to stay with Diddy
and he, has always said that wasnt the best place for a kid
the songs didnt sound like Molest at all though
more Jodeci

That makes it even worse. She allowed him to live in an environment not fit for a child.

FlowerBomb

Quote from: MΛΥDΛΥ on October 10, 2016, 07:20:43 PM
Quote from: BLOND?. on October 10, 2016, 07:16:24 PM
Back in the 90's, everyone wanted to "dance like Usher"

b
dddd who
i was busying tryna moonwalk like MJ and pop and SHIFT my neck like jans