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[SouravMay]

A person cannot define feminity or masculinity. It is determined by a common collective perception of the environment they were socialized in. We all know and feel the common stereotypes for "feminine" and "masculine" because we have been conditioned to internalize then.

What you are thinkin in your head, probably 90% of the Westerners think as well are feminine and masculine trait.

And it when it comes down to it most things/traits associated with femininity are objectively shitty, whereas masculine traits are the ones that are objectively the better ones.

[Real]

The same way Webster does

[yummy]

I think alot of men have some sort of feminine trait, whether theyre open about it or not is another story. Yes, there's certain ways men can act that determine if theyre masculine or feminine. I mean of course, how else could that be determined? If i think ur effeminate then u probably speak a certain way, dress a certain way, have what i would consider a more feminine demeanor, or a combo of all. I more than likely wouldn't have an overly feminine male friend..........or an overly masculine female friend for that matter

I definitely agree with the first sentence LaPickpocket.

Im hoping someone gives specifics on what these traits entail or exhibit tho.

IDK about any feminine traits, but I know the alpha male shit is beyond played out for me.

I dated a super masc guy and it was a nightmare. He would stare at and flirt with women everywhere we went so people wouldn't get "the wrong idea" and hearing him speak with a deeper voice when he got around straight dudes was painful. There's this constant state of performance a lot of those type of men have to live in and I don't have the patience for it nor do I find it attractive anymore.

[Kurama]

A person cannot define feminity or masculinity. It is determined by a common collective perception of the environment they were socialized in. We all know and feel the common stereotypes for "feminine" and "masculine" because we have been conditioned to internalize then.

What you are thinkin in your head, probably 90% of the Westerners think as well are feminine and masculine trait.

And it when it comes down to it most things/traits associated with femininity are objectively shitty, whereas masculine traits are the ones that are objectively the better ones.

Okay Malc. Thanks.

[Nine]

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[Vonc2002]

A person cannot define feminity or masculinity. It is determined by a common collective perception of the environment they were socialized in. We all know and feel the common stereotypes for "feminine" and "masculine" because we have been conditioned to internalize then.

What you are thinkin in your head, probably 90% of the Westerners think as well are feminine and masculine trait.

I agree with what you're saying but he basically asked what do YOU consider masculine or feminine. Like 99.9% of the world would more than likely think a man listening to Britney Spears is a feminine thing. I couldnt care less about something like that.

[CHOKE]

A deep voice, hairy pits, chest, balls etc
Doesn't like giving head, only tops. Big dick.

[Stewie]

Is there a certain way people have to act for you to label them masculine or feminine?

Certain physical traits or non-physical qualities?

Does either hold more weight when you're looking for friends or partners?

No judgement guys!

my criteria:
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[SouravMay]

A person cannot define feminity or masculinity. It is determined by a common collective perception of the environment they were socialized in. We all know and feel the common stereotypes for "feminine" and "masculine" because we have been conditioned to internalize then.

What you are thinkin in your head, probably 90% of the Westerners think as well are feminine and masculine trait.

I agree with what you're saying but he basically asked what do YOU consider masculine or feminine. Like 99.9% of the world would more than likely think a man listening to Britney Spears is a feminine thing. I couldnt care less about something like that.

he wants us to reiterate ignorant stereotypes? What is the point? None of our personal definitions should be of value or relevance.

To me either you are a man or you are not. Same with woman. There isn't levels to the mess, unless you are actually a hermie.

[Vonc2002]

A person cannot define feminity or masculinity. It is determined by a common collective perception of the environment they were socialized in. We all know and feel the common stereotypes for "feminine" and "masculine" because we have been conditioned to internalize then.

What you are thinkin in your head, probably 90% of the Westerners think as well are feminine and masculine trait.

I agree with what you're saying but he basically asked what do YOU consider masculine or feminine. Like 99.9% of the world would more than likely think a man listening to Britney Spears is a feminine thing. I couldnt care less about something like that.

he wants to reiterate ignorant stereotypes? What is the point? None of our personal definitions should be of value or relevance.

To me either you are a man or you are not. Same with woman. There isn't levels to the mess, unless you are actually a hermie.

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[SouravMay]

However one would answer the question, just reflects the society in which he grew up. It is like asking what or who is "Hispanic" to you?

[BranLover]

Most of what Vonc said. But I don't necessarily associate it with how one dresses, maybe that's just his personal style (Jaden Smith). Now if he's starting to wear heels and female wigs, that's a different story imo.
A feminine man, to me, possesses a lot of female qualities and mannerisms in their day to day interactions around everybody. Doesn't matter how they're dressed, it's their whole demeanor.

[BAPHOMET.]

However one would answer the question, just reflects the society in which he grew up. It is like asking what or who is "Hispanic" to you?

[Kurama]

A person cannot define feminity or masculinity. It is determined by a common collective perception of the environment they were socialized in. We all know and feel the common stereotypes for "feminine" and "masculine" because we have been conditioned to internalize then.

What you are thinkin in your head, probably 90% of the Westerners think as well are feminine and masculine trait.

I agree with what you're saying but he basically asked what do YOU consider masculine or feminine. Like 99.9% of the world would more than likely think a man listening to Britney Spears is a feminine thing. I couldnt care less about something like that.

he wants us to reiterate ignorant stereotypes? What is the point? None of our personal definitions should be of value or relevance.

To me either you are a man or you are not. Same with woman. There isn't levels to the mess, unless you are actually a hermie.

I really was trying to avoid giving you a full out response mess because again you use ur intelligence to be a contrarian and its annoying af.

There are a plethora of social constructs that society defines for us (sexuality, gender expression, race etc.) as individuals we receive these implicit and explicit messages as we develop.

Yes we do internalize some of these messages but that's not the end of the process. We inherent or discard the messages based on our own ability to critically think, awareness, and life experience. Like the example Vonc gave you. I could believe a man sporting a certain colors is a sign of femininity, while someone else might think its masculine because this man was brave/confident enough to wear it.

Thusly, making this construct subjective rather than objective. You can also read other posts within this thread that evidence this. Thanks.

[yummy]