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[Wtv]

but the key of all should be: why are they loyal? there has to be a reason.
and it can only be: the music.

People is loyal when they really like something. If general audience has lost interest in r&b the quality/hotness HAS to be a factor. None can deny that, lol. you know

[FlowerBomb]

!!!
There's been some amazing urban music out there

[Wtv]

but the key of all should be: why are they loyal? there has to be a reason.
and it can only be: the music.

People is loyal when they really like something. If general audience has lost interest in r&b the quality/hotness HAS to be a factor. None can deny that, lol. you know

not really

jazmine's reality show SHITS
i have been revisiting and jamming to it all this week
and it flopped for points

what was her 1st single? I dont even remember (no shade, just a real quetion)

was it really hot/fresh?

[FlowerBomb]

Hip hop has always done well
R&B was successful and popular only up until 4/5 years ago lol
Everything goes through periods of what's 'in'
There's been so many low-key great urban eps and albums in the last 3 years alone
We have a new generation of urban artists like NAO, Ty Dollar sign, Kelela, Bryson Tiller, The Weeknd, Jhene, Chance The Rapper, BJ the Chicago kid, Tinashe, FKA Twigs, Tink, Dawn, Justine Skye, Frank Ocean, Miguel etc releasing stellar music

[BranLover]

Happy for him and he continues to put out quality music. Very deserving.

[RAY7]

Rap is doing better than R&B because they have a bigger audience
due to the homophobia, and hyper-masculinity going on in the Black community
Black straight men don't really support R&B, it's only Black women and gays

[BranLover]

Rap is doing better than R&B because they have a bigger audience
due to the homophobia, and hyper-masculinity going on in the Black community
Black straight men don't really support R&B, it's only Black women and gays

!!!  Honestly

[NeverSayNever]

Well deserved 👏🏾

[pettypatty]

His music is horrible and boring

But 'grats! LOL

[SouravMay]

And the gorls didn't believe my trinity mess trying to add big Sean or some gurs...

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[NeverSayNever]

This albums not for people who wanna turn up. Good to see quality lyrics and music get recognition.

[SouravMay]

Rap is doing better than R&B because they have a bigger audience
due to the homophobia, and hyper-masculinity going on in the Black community
Black straight men don't really support R&B, it's only Black women and gays

I totally disagree with this. Most people who purchase hip hop are white. And R&B couldn't have slayed the charts for so long just off of (black) male gays and women. R. Kelly, Jodeci, SWV was music f?r everyone.

I just think R&B is not a proper genre like that. It's never been. It is a code word for modern music sung by African Americans. It's basically black pop, and essentially white people's spin on R&B music is called pop.

Hip Hop has the consistent element of rapping and can change sonically with the times and still be identifiable as hip hop. R&B cannot as easily stay R&B without stagnating. I mean it's really just become pop with grease when Cassie and Anita are both R&B...

R&B is pop with Ebonics language, more hip hop tinged beats and more churchy vocals. Pop and R&B producers are one and the same. The same exact composition becomes a different genre label based on the skin color of the singer.

Rock will always be distinguished as rock for its instrumentation.

[RAY7]

Rap is doing better than R&B because they have a bigger audience
due to the homophobia, and hyper-masculinity going on in the Black community
Black straight men don't really support R&B, it's only Black women and gays

I totally disagree with this. Most people who purchase hip hop are white. And R&B couldn't have slayed the charts for so long just off of (black) male gays and women. R. Kelly, Jodeci, SWV was music f?r everyone.

back during those times was when straight men weren't afraid to support
these days male R&B artists cater strictly to Black women, and female R&B artists cater to women & gays
Hip-hop/rap is universal

[Wtv]

Rap is doing better than R&B because they have a bigger audience
due to the homophobia, and hyper-masculinity going on in the Black community
Black straight men don't really support R&B, it's only Black women and gays

I totally disagree with this. Most people who purchase hip hop are white. And R&B couldn't have slayed the charts for so long just off of (black) male gays and women. R. Kelly, Jodeci, SWV was music f?r everyone.

I just think R&B is not a proper genre like that. It's never been. It is a code word for modern music sung by African Americans. It's basically black pop, and essentially white people's spin on R&B music is called pop.

Hip Hop has the consistent element of rapping and can change sonically with the times and still be identifiable as hip hop. R&B cannot as easily stay R&B without stagnating. I mean it's really just become pop with grease when Cassie and Anita are both R&B...

R&B is pop with Ebonics language, more hip hop tinged beats and more churchy vocals. Pop and R&B producers are one and the same. The same exact composition becomes a different genre label based on the skin color of the singer.

Rock will always be distinguished as rock for its instrumentation.

some very interesting points.

Tho I think r&b is still a sound, in general terms. I know it doesnt seem as wide/open as pop (thats probably why it is strugling too), but its a genre. Just happens that some artists explore different twists and influences that sometimes it doesnt seem r&b at all.

To me The Weeknd has a very different sound of what Id call r&b. I hear a whole different thing in his music, some electronic, and different influences. Thats why I use to use two different terms: urban and r&b, even is r&b is still urban music, but to me urban is a more open term.

my concept of r&b is definetly more limited, with some particular beats, sound, vibe and all. you know.... the Brian cox, rico love and co. type of sounds.

Weeknd has NOTHING to do with that sound, lol. Neither Bruno Mars. even Frank Ocean. These artists arent doing the r&b most people remember and know. And no shade intended, thats why they are selling too, in a sense.

[Wtv]

Rap is doing better than R&B because they have a bigger audience
due to the homophobia, and hyper-masculinity going on in the Black community
Black straight men don't really support R&B, it's only Black women and gays

I totally disagree with this. Most people who purchase hip hop are white. And R&B couldn't have slayed the charts for so long just off of (black) male gays and women. R. Kelly, Jodeci, SWV was music f?r everyone.

back during those times was when straight men weren't afraid to support
these days male R&B artists cater strictly to Black women, and female R&B artists cater to women & gays
Hip-hop/rap is universal

you're totally right, Im afraid. And that is a problem to me. The goal demographic has become sooooo limited, small. If you have a very small demographic, how can you expect to have good sales? its just Maths.

If you want to sell, you have to try to reach a BIGGER audience, not a small one.