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[Miranda]

If you argue this through would you then say it's ethical to kill human beings in favor of animals?

Is it morally correct in a hypothetical scenario to kill a human being in order to rescue a worm from dying under the human's wrath?

[Herb.]

Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?

Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.

And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.

Can't really go with both.

Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.

[Bentley!]

Humans aren't from the Earth... we're parasites that landed from far away... that's why we don't fit in or act like anything else

[Herb.]

Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?

Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.

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Thank you! I tried to explain this to a friend and these were the words I missed during the debate.

[Stewie]

Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?

because nature INTENDED for them to eat other animals

example meat eating animals (carnivores ) have strong hydrochloric acid in their stomachs to digest meat. Herbivores (eg humans) have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that.

thats why 75% of the population if lactose intolerance and many have dairy/meat related disgestive problems......and lets not get into cancer and a whole bunch of other diseases that we try and 'cure' with useless drugs instead of waking up and realizing its the junk we're being told to put in our bodies

the funny thing is how the food industry markets that term 'lactose intolerance' as if there's something 'wrong' with our digestive system......our digestive systems our perfectly fine....its just that nature did not intend for u to consume dairy products

we're 99% genetically similar to apes, and they're herbivores..thats a clue right there

also we're the ONLY creatures on this earth who eat excretions from other animals ...honey ( bee's vomit), milk, eggs (a hens menstruation/period), and cheese....its just not natural....

[Admin]

Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?

Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.

And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.

Can't really go with both.

I think you're misinterpreting the term animal rights

[Herb.]

Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?

because nature INTENDED for them to eat other animals

example meat eating animals (carnivores ) have strong hydrochloric acid in their stomachs to digest meat. Herbivores (eg humans) have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that.

thats why 75% of the population if lactose intolerance and many have dairy/meat related disgestive problems......and lets not get into cancer and a whole bunch of other diseases that we try and 'cure' with useless drugs instead of waking up and realizing its the junk we're being told to put in our bodies

the funny thing is how the food industry markets that term 'lactose intolerance' as if there's something 'wrong' with our digestive system......our digestive systems our perfectly fine....its just that nature did not intend for u to consume dairy products

we're 99% genetically similar to apes, and they're herbivores..thats a clue right there

also we're the ONLY creatures on this earth who eat excretions from other animals ...honey ( bee's vomit), milk, eggs (a hens menstruation/period), and cheese....its just not natural....

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This makes sense of why we must COOK and process meats before consuming them
or we risk huge trouble. but we can pick apples or PULL veggies from the ground and be perfectly fine.

A lion can rip a bull apart and eat it alive
and go about its business perfectly healthy.

[Miranda]

Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?

Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.

And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.

Can't really go with both.

Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.

Sense of family is cute and all. But it's all instinctual and biological. They are conditioned to protect their offspring. It's an innate instinct not love based on shared interests. It's a mere biological program that runs in them. You can literally train animals to be anything you want them to be.  Animals are ruthless killers and absolutely insensitive of other living beings. Many will eat their own lover, squat flies as they please. If animals are so emotional why can't they commit suicide?  Because their natural instincts always overweight everything with them. To try and compare that with the complexity of human emotion and intellect is frankly grotesque.

[Miranda]

Dairy is disgusting. Meat is healthy and makes you strong.

[Herb.]

Why do animals kill eachother and it's ok?

Animals are not nearly as intelligent as we are.
They do not have a sense of logic, or understanding. As you stated yourself, they are primarily instinctive creatures. As a species who is very well equipped to evaluate decisions and think things through, it is our responsibility to be aware of our actions and take responsibility for our wrongdoings. But that'll never be truly promoted , especially not in this country. It's all about fucking money.

And that's the gotcha gotcha. Either we are equal (intelligent, self-determined beings) and therefore shouldn't dominate, kill or eat eachother. Or we acknowledge that animals simply cannot be compared to our complex and highly conscious existence and therefore do not require the same rights.

Can't really go with both.

Lack of intelligence does not override emotion that animals have. They have feelings. They run when threatened, they protect their offspring, they have a sense of family. They raise their young until they're ready to leave. We even take familial concepts from them -- "leave the nest", anyone? They have a will to live, just as we do. You are using things that separate us from them as an excuse to illogically kill them. And it's disgusting to me.

Sense of family is cute and all. But it's all instinctual and biological. They are conditioned to protect their offspring. It's a human instinct not love based on shared interests. It's a mere biological program that runs in them. You can literally train animals to be anything you want them to be.  Animals are ruthless killers and absolutely insensitive of other living beings. Many will eat their own lover, squat flies as they please. If animals are so emotional why can't they commit suicide?  Because their natural instincts always overweight everything with them. To try and compare that with the complexity of human emotion and intellect is frankly grotesque.

This all goes RIGHT back to our responsibility as more intelligent creatures. They know no better, we have the ability to make better decisions, being at the top of the chain.

You feel it is OK to kill animals for sport and fun. That is your opinion and I'll just leave it at that. I remember you taking a pic next to a dead lion (or another creature, can't remember which one it was).  So it's no surprise this is your stance. But we're just gonna keep going in circles.

[SUPREME]

Well human immune systems also aren't shit in comparison to wildlife

In fact our bodies aren't, which is why we can't survive outside like every other creature there is and rely on our creativity to keep us alive

I understand the vegan view, but it's just not practical imo

I just feel like if were capable of something, it must be for a reason.

We were blessed with "advanced" intelligence. 

[Bentley!]

In just the U.S. alone:

Land animals (mostly chickens) killed for food: 8 billion
Marine animals (fish and shellfish) killed for food: 100 billion
That?s 108 billion animals. Can you even comprehend that? No, you can?t.

[Stewie]

now they're gonna think ur crazy Jacob LOLLLLLLLLL

but hold strong to ur beliefs. we're somehow taught to label anyone who challenges our sense of normality as "crazy". so its understandable why u originally did that to me. and its why I do not get upset. but its amazing that you came to the same conclusions on ur own. proud of you.

I'm not perfect and I am sure there are many things that I do which are inconsiderate to nature. but I have to begin holding myself accountable more often.

!!! thats the thing.....its like we've been so manipulated and brainwashed we cant even think for ourselves or follow our own instincts anymore.....

i like that you're AWARE of what we're doing and how it affects nature and also our physical and mental health

Awareness is not limited to black issues.

People ask me about the deer/buck on my chain all the time. I align with the fact that he is strong, but still hunted at the same time. I've always had a very strong connection with animals, and its weird because the more I learn about Native belief and culture, the more I see myself in natural alignment with it, even back before when I could give two fucks about heritage or history. I always had a heart for nature.

And there's still more I could to do to be a better person and to be more aware of my behavior and how it affects not only humans around me, but everything around me. We accuse so many people of playing God when it comes to something as comparatively minuscule as judging our sexual preference, but we'll turn around and kill a living being 5 minutes later with no logical reason for doing so.

I know I'm going on a rant at this point so I'll just shut up.  But congratulations Jacob. Lately you've been showing me there's a human on the other side of that screen, not a weird character they try to make you out to be.

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just the idea of doing something to someone/an animal that you don't want being done to you is so ridiculous to me now...it literally cracks me up..

how would  humans like to be injected with hormones and steroids until they're 500 pounds while living in a shit filled tiny place....then get their face smashed in with a sledge hammer and then stabbed repeatedly for fun...and then be dissected and have your guts pulled out while you're still alive and shaking on the floor like you're having a seizure..

kjhkjj like i wanna know who decided that's perfectly normal.

[Miranda]

We are the only beings who can defy nature and still survive.

[Bentley!]

Every year, more than 100 million unwanted male chicks are ground up alive or tossed into plastic bags to suffocate.