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REALucid

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Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 10:31:55 AM
Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 10:29:41 AM
Imagine sitting in jail because of...weed

I agree it's a petty offense but laws are laws. I know that the punishments don't fit the crimes a lot of the time but everyone sitting in jail fkn knew.

The prison system is profiting from a lot of black and brown bodies for a misdemeanor. It's a racist offense and niggas need to be released. Instant.

LOONA.

Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 10:27:04 AM
Why a lot of Black people are calling for all the marijuana offenders to be freed since its legal now, and people are legally profiting from the sale it? In my mind, it was illegal when you were selling it and smoking it, and that's why you're being punished regardless of what's happening NOW. Now the punishment may not fit the crime and that's another conversation.....but it was a crime and dassit. If in the future, the age of consent becomes fkn 14 across America, should the people in jail for statuatory rape be let go and receive reparations? To me the legalization of it doesn't make me feel that the people who are in jail are being done wrong for committing the crime when it wasn't. I don't get the outrage.

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Quote from: LOONA. on February 28, 2020, 05:32:45 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 10:27:04 AM
Why a lot of Black people are calling for all the marijuana offenders to be freed since its legal now, and people are legally profiting from the sale it? In my mind, it was illegal when you were selling it and smoking it, and that's why you're being punished regardless of what's happening NOW. Now the punishment may not fit the crime and that's another conversation.....but it was a crime and dassit. If in the future, the age of consent becomes fkn 14 across America, should the people in jail for statuatory rape be let go and receive reparations? To me the legalization of it doesn't make me feel that the people who are in jail are being done wrong for committing the crime when it wasn't. I don't get the outrage.

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L0NZ.

All I'm getting is that you all don't think the selling/possession of it should have even been a crime in the first place. And that's fine but that's not the reality. I dunno it's just very black and white to me. 

And the race angle, I understand the disparities, but nobody MADE them niggas sell "drugs" and they knew it was illegal. Another period. Can't blame the White man for everything. Blame him for the sentencing, but not for them niggas being on the block and shit. Unless you want to blame the White man again and say the reason they are on the block is because of lack of opportunity and etc, etc. Accountability. We're not talking laws that make it illegal for you to step into an establishment while being Black. We're talking about people choosing to commit a crime like nnnn. Again, whether you think it's should be a crime is irrelevant imo 


Kaeli.

Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 10:29:41 AM
Imagine sitting in jail because of...weed
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Yea but

Am mean... they knew it was illegal before they got booked so who can really be blamed

REALucid

Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 05:47:38 PM
All I'm getting is that you all don't think the selling/possession of it should have even been a crime in the first place. And that's fine but that's not the reality. I dunno it's just very black and white to me.

And the race angle, I understand the disparities, but nobody MADE them niggas sell "drugs" and they knew it was illegal. Another period. Can't blame the White man for everything. Blame him for the sentencing, but not for them niggas being on the block and shit. Unless you want to blame the White man again and say the reason they are on the block is because of lack of opportunity and etc, etc. Accountability. We're not talking laws that make it illegal for you to step into an establishment while being Black. We're talking about people choosing to commit a crime like nnnn. Again, whether you think it's should be a crime is irrelevant imo

You're missing the point bby
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L0NZ.

Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 05:06:17 PM

It's more of a moral question than a legal one at this point

Ok I'm seeing the gray in that. But I guess I'm not expecting much morality from our politicians so why entertain it. I guess that's why my attitude is so "it is what it is." I also think I have a personal beef with weed. I don't know where it comes from but when people come into a building funking up the place with that shit smelling stuff like they're cool or something, it really gets under skin tbh. And in my head I'm like "y'all know that's....illegal here right" but if they get booked they can always say they were targeted so there's that


L0NZ.

Quote from: RealMatic on February 28, 2020, 05:55:30 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 05:47:38 PM
All I'm getting is that you all don't think the selling/possession of it should have even been a crime in the first place. And that's fine but that's not the reality. I dunno it's just very black and white to me.

And the race angle, I understand the disparities, but nobody MADE them niggas sell "drugs" and they knew it was illegal. Another period. Can't blame the White man for everything. Blame him for the sentencing, but not for them niggas being on the block and shit. Unless you want to blame the White man again and say the reason they are on the block is because of lack of opportunity and etc, etc. Accountability. We're not talking laws that make it illegal for you to step into an establishment while being Black. We're talking about people choosing to commit a crime like nnnn. Again, whether you think it's should be a crime is irrelevant imo

You're missing the point bby

The moral angle? Jayden booked me a bit, I kinda see it.


REALucid

Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 05:06:17 PM

It's more of a moral question than a legal one at this point

Ok I'm seeing the gray in that. But I guess I'm not expecting much morality from our politicians so why entertain it. I guess that's why my attitude is so "it is what it is." I also think I have a personal beef with weed. I don't know where it comes from but when people come into a building funking up the place with that shit smelling stuff like they're cool or something, it really gets under skin tbh. And in my head I'm like "y'all know that's....illegal here right" but if they get booked they can always say they were targeted so there's that

I saw you tweeting that the other day lol
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REALucid

Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: RealMatic on February 28, 2020, 05:55:30 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 05:47:38 PM
All I'm getting is that you all don't think the selling/possession of it should have even been a crime in the first place. And that's fine but that's not the reality. I dunno it's just very black and white to me.

And the race angle, I understand the disparities, but nobody MADE them niggas sell "drugs" and they knew it was illegal. Another period. Can't blame the White man for everything. Blame him for the sentencing, but not for them niggas being on the block and shit. Unless you want to blame the White man again and say the reason they are on the block is because of lack of opportunity and etc, etc. Accountability. We're not talking laws that make it illegal for you to step into an establishment while being Black. We're talking about people choosing to commit a crime like nnnn. Again, whether you think it's should be a crime is irrelevant imo

You're missing the point bby

The moral angle? Jayden booked me a bit, I kinda see it.

Yeah you're looking at it from a very black and white angle and it's more complex than that.
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L0NZ.

Quote from: RealMatic on February 28, 2020, 06:04:28 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: RealMatic on February 28, 2020, 05:55:30 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 05:47:38 PM
All I'm getting is that you all don't think the selling/possession of it should have even been a crime in the first place. And that's fine but that's not the reality. I dunno it's just very black and white to me.

And the race angle, I understand the disparities, but nobody MADE them niggas sell "drugs" and they knew it was illegal. Another period. Can't blame the White man for everything. Blame him for the sentencing, but not for them niggas being on the block and shit. Unless you want to blame the White man again and say the reason they are on the block is because of lack of opportunity and etc, etc. Accountability. We're not talking laws that make it illegal for you to step into an establishment while being Black. We're talking about people choosing to commit a crime like nnnn. Again, whether you think it's should be a crime is irrelevant imo

You're missing the point bby

The moral angle? Jayden booked me a bit, I kinda see it.

Yeah you're looking at it from a very black and white angle and it's more complex than that.

To me, committing the crime itself can only be Black and White. That's just period.

What they can do with you afterwards, is the complex part, which I acknowledged in the original post.


L0NZ.

unless they figured out that Black people have a gene which makes us more susceptible to being weed men and such. Then committing the crime itself is complex because it's innate and out of our control 


REALucid

So how can't you see that the disparity in the enforcement of the law is whats causing the uproar? Like yeah, we know no one is forced to smoke, but if they do, the punishment should be comparable across the board. Then when you factor in de-criminalization and the overall trendyness of it now.....that's more than enough cause to re-evaluate. Just because it was a law doesn't mean it was a good one.
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LOONA.

Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 05:47:38 PM
All I'm getting is that you all don't think the selling/possession of it should have even been a crime in the first place. And that's fine but that's not the reality. I dunno it's just very black and white to me.

And the race angle, I understand the disparities, but nobody MADE them niggas sell "drugs" and they knew it was illegal. Another period. Can't blame the White man for everything. Blame him for the sentencing, but not for them niggas being on the block and shit. Unless you want to blame the White man again and say the reason they are on the block is because of lack of opportunity and etc, etc. Accountability. We're not talking laws that make it illegal for you to step into an establishment while being Black. We're talking about people choosing to commit a crime like nnnn. Again, whether you think it's should be a crime is irrelevant imo

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