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[Bentley. HARRIS!]

yea but you're suggesting letting establishments that are designed to liquor ppl up ... decide on their own?

[reekz]

It's time. Open it up! Sorry but not sorry. God rest those who have died but...yea.

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but my bby
you've yet to state why it's so "dire" that it's opened back up this fast

u ok?

We will never have full control over this until a vaccine is available. Businesses should implement restrictions such as face masks required in certain stores and establishments.

Bars and clubs...enter at your own risk

Leave it to the people to determine how to best protective themselves.

It's doing too much damage to the economy and our livelihood. I understand the initial approach of a shut down to flatten the curve but now that we are getting there, time to open back up with new ways of living enforced.

Let me repeat... we will NEVER get full control of this.

Na

Clubs and mess need to stay close. 1 drink and my draws coming off.

[reekz]

Oop 

I mean my mask 

[Bentley. HARRIS!]

I do agree something needs to help the economy

but change is the only way to do that. this is our opportunity to inject that change

take working from home for example.

you have some ppl that like the office and love the drama, busybodies

but what about the moms, or introverts that love the work from home setting more. How can companies legitimately enforce working hours and locations after this?

How can companies enforce low wages anymore after this? they clearly need employees to run.

I'm just saying let's not rush back into the same broken system that got us here in the first place. Especially the non-existent healthcare system

[BRockaBaby]

My friends and I have healthy discussions about this literally every night during our Zoom mess. And I don't want to carry on with paragraphs to explain my thoughts so if we want to set up a BSource round table video chat, I'm all for it.

But I will say this...

If I'm a small business owner that has worked 20 years to get my business to where it is, and now will lose it all because of a fucking COUGH....No!

This is just another example of us giving the government TOO MUCH control. I do agree that restrictions need to be put in place. For ALL establishments.

Face masks in super markets and other major stores, malls, etc.

Abundant hand washing and all that jazz yes.

And yes for bars and restaurants, they need to re-visit their capacities. A restaurant that once can sit 50 can now maybe only sit 25 at a time to provide more space between tables. Same thing with bars. It's all about the approach during these phases. But this SHUT DOWN mess is doing TOO MUCH damage to our country.

ANYONE can get sick at ANY time.  Tha'ts just the way it is. It all depends on the current state of your immune system. Some of us can walk outside now, catch a cold and die in five days. Some of us can walk outside, catch the flu and bounce back in five days (such as myself).  So there's no real way to protect everybody which is why the governement on both national and state levels need to put in place restrictions to slowly but SURELY open up the country.

Sorry I agree with Trump here...not saying do it all at once. But it's time to slowly open up and put the responsibility into the local branches of government.

If your ass is sickly and NOT READY to step out, then DON"T.

[BigDawg]

The last thing this country needs right now is another ramp up of this virus. Our resources are low, and we are nowhere near flattening the curve. To open up businesses as usual on a staggered basis and an everyone protect your mess order, is beyond dangerous.

[BRockaBaby]

Record high numbers of unemployment filing - who you think is going to have to pay for all this shit down the road? 

Business in small towns going out of business leaving towns with nothing

People who once had kids go to school to get their breakfast now don't have that AND are unemployed so they can't even feed their kids 

Like I can go on and on about the damages. Y'all just think "people are dying". Yes, i get that but that can happen at ANY TIME. The problem with corona is we have no vaccine for it so I guarantee you, this shit will continue UNTIL we have a vaccine. that will be the ONLY way to get control of this and that's going to take YEARS. 

[BRockaBaby]

My sister just told me on her floor, about 25 patients are under some sort of intensive care. out of those 25, 5 of them have straight on corona. The other 20 are there because of conditions they had BEFORE corona. 

I encourage everyone to watch the numbers but also read outside of the major news outlets. 

[BigDawg]

The major problem is  that a lot of these people don't listen and there needs to be a strict course of action in place in order to protect people. The bullshit Trump is talking about is ass backwards in my opinion and I don't trust his motives.

[BRockaBaby]

The major problem is  that a lot of these people don't listen and there needs to be a strict course of action in place in order to protect people. The bullshit Trump is talking about is ass backwards in my opinion and I don't trust his motives.

This whole thing from China across the world is a MOTIVE.

And you can enforce strict guidelines locally. It doesn't need to come from the White House.

If my state says, face masks required in the malls. Then I will have security at the entrances of the malls to enforce face masks.

If I say, use caution when going to your local park for a run, then use caution. If you don't that's on you.

New local guidelines will have to be put in place for sure. But you can only do so much because ultimately people WILL DO what they want. So at what point do you say...your on your own. Here are the guidelines. Follow them or suffer the consequences.

[Bentley. HARRIS!]

I completely understand your take on this Rock' . But Some of the results you're describing are a flaws of the entire economic system BEFORE corona

all of these things are because the low income rely on the government, who doesn't really take care of them, just pacifies them

Let's dive into the truth.

1. Small business were already struggling, The 3 year survival rate is abysmal. Nobody talks about these things

2. What you're describing is really more trouble for the 1% than it is for the rest of us, it's affecting their elevator up/trickle down effect and they wanna put the slaves back into the fields

3. I read where you said anybody can get sick, at anytime. Well trust me, I've seen the inside of specialty hospitals and not everybody can get access to the CARE they need to get well.

All of this is wrapped up in the narrative of "Oh but look how much ppl are struggling! the economy is dying! we've got to get the slaves, oops I mean "working class" back to work!

1. Families are at home COOKING instead of spending insane amounts of money at these bars and restaurants. The system is exposed.

2a. Churches are ASKING for donations instead of feeding breakfast to those kids you mentioned. The system is exposed.

2b. GOVERNMENT is letting women with children starve with no food instead of providing groceries for free. The system is exposed

3. Companies overwork their employees and don't even pay them for the travel and traffic time it takes to get to THEIR office. The system is exposed.

3. Who owns all the energy and real estate in America? Why were rent and utility payments not suspended? The country is shut down right?  The same reason why Americans pay tax on land THEY buy, the same reason why electric cars and solar power was stunted for years, the same reason why America charges families for fckn nasty recycled TAP water. The elites didn't shut down. The system is exposed.

So yea you're right. We will feel the effects of this later down the line. Because The country was shut down, but not all of it. The 1% made sure their pockets got fatter then ever.

The system is exposed!

[BigDawg]

The major problem is  that a lot of these people don't listen and there needs to be a strict course of action in place in order to protect people. The bullshit Trump is talking about is ass backwards in my opinion and I don't trust his motives.

This whole thing from China across the world is a MOTIVE.

And you can enforce strict guidelines locally. It doesn't need to come from the White House.

If my state says, face masks required in the malls. Then I will have security at the entrances of the malls to enforce face masks.

If I say, use caution when going to your local park for a run, then use caution. If you don't that's on you.

New local guidelines will have to be put in place for sure. But you can only do so much because ultimately people WILL DO what they want. So at what point do you say...your on your own. Here are the guidelines. Follow them or suffer the consequences.

Well truthfully before they just let people run rampant with masks on, testing needs to be readily available, efficient and with quick results. I know that eventually things will slowly have to resume but it's just 4/17 we've not even been under lockdown for thirty days. China didn't let up on the lockdown for 72 days.

[reekz]

The major problem is  that a lot of these people don't listen and there needs to be a strict course of action in place in order to protect people. The bullshit Trump is talking about is ass backwards in my opinion and I don't trust his motives.

!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BRockaBaby]

I completely understand your take on this Rock' . But Some of the results you're describing are a flaws of the entire economic system BEFORE corona

all of these things are because the low income rely on the government, who doesn't really take care of them, just pacifies them

Let's dive into the truth.

1. Small business were already struggling, The 3 year survival rate is abysmal. Nobody talks about these things

2. What you're describing is really more trouble for the 1% than it is for the rest of us, it's affecting their elevator up/trickle down effect and they wanna put the slaves back into the fields

3. I read where you said anybody can get sick, at anytime. Well trust me, I've seen the inside of specialty hospitals and not everybody can get access to the CARE they need to get well.

All of this is wrapped up in the narrative of "Oh but look how much ppl are struggling! the economy is dying! we've got to get the slaves, oops I mean "working class" back to work!

1. Families are at home COOKING instead of spending insane amounts of money at these bars and restaurants. The system is exposed.

2a. Churches are ASKING for donations instead of feeding breakfast to those kids you mentioned. The system is exposed.

2b. GOVERNMENT is letting women with children starve with no food instead of providing groceries for free. The system is exposed

3. Companies overwork their employees and don't even pay them for the travel and traffic time it takes to get to THEIR office. The system is exposed.

3. Who owns all the energy and real estate in America? Why were rent and utility payments not suspended? The country is shut down right?  The same reason why Americans pay tax on land THEY buy, the same reason why electric cars and solar power was stunted for years, the same reason why America charges families for fckn nasty recycled TAP water. The elites didn't shut down. The system is exposed.

So yea you're right. We will feel the effects of this later down the line. Because The country was shut down, but not all of it. The 1% made sure their pockets got fatter then ever.

The system is exposed!

All good points. Not denying that we have a broken system because we do. and in some places, people are forgiving monthly bills. But it sounds like you're saying fix the system, then we will be good.

Ummm....that ain't gonna happen in the matter of months or years. Corona has probably exposed a broken system but it's not going to fix it.

The right action would be to now take this experience as a true reason to enforce drive change. Very "now you see why we need change. Now let's make change"

But in my opinion that's a different discussion vs. opening our country. There has always had to be some serious FUCK UP for true change to occur. History has shown us that. So I do not disagree with any of the points you made regarding a broken system. But keeping the country CLOSED only drives that broken system. It doesn't fix it.

[Bentley. HARRIS!]

So the Spanish flu came in 3 waves.

They still don't have proper testing, especially for ppl that carry the disease with no symptoms.

They don't know the rate of re-infection yet either.

If they do this and it breaks out worse... won't that do more damage in the long run?