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[Herb.]

Ebonics came to be from the lack of education that black slaves had due to being prohibited from learning to read or write.......and like many things from slavery, including house slave vs field slave (now called light vs dark skin), it was all passed down making it generational and ultimately a part of Black culture.

hehe! haha! "we be'z in this bitch!!! woo! "

sit the fuck down somewhere

[Herb.]

I know this thread is random but this white guy was joking using Ebonics. he and a couple of the other black people thought it was a riot but I'm sitting there looking at him like

[RekeRig]

Sssssddddf

These Vietnamese men came and set some mess up in my house recently, and they were talking like that the entire time. It was so weird

Then "nigga" started popping up.

[GYNandTONIC]

Hey Herb! Im just curious....did you once suffer from self hate?

I know alot of stuff on here is said with malicious intent but that is not my style.I hope no offense is taken, I just wanted to know.

[Herb.]

What made you ask that

Only thing I can definitely say I suffered from was a lack of empathy for my own people. Especially coming down the south, I really wondered why everyone was so angry down here with white people. Being from NYC many of us just don't have to deal with Confederate flags flying in the air, and see Klu Klux rallies in action on our way to school as kids. But with taking the time to educate myself it's really opened my eyes. And made kinda angry too lolz

Lack of self awareness is the way I'd describe it.

As far as my ethnic identity, I've never seen myself as anything besides simply African American/black.  However, people began questioning my background. My sister goes through this as well:



People may think it was signs of "self hate" or a kii cackle when I shared stories of how other black people questioned me but it's something I really went/go through. It's crazy when you just see yourself as one thing but have others asking you what your background is. It's very unsettling, actually.

This is what finally made me take a test to find out what the hell is going on. It's not self hate, it was a lack of self awareness, and knowledge of family history that led me to live in ignorance. I was definitely ignorant. On soooooo many levels.

[GYNandTONIC]

What made you ask that

Only thing I can definitely say I suffered from was a lack of empathy for my own people. Especially coming down the south, I really wondered why everyone was so angry down here with white people. Being from NYC many of us just don't have to deal with Confederate flags flying in the air, and see Klu Klux rallies in action on our way to school as kids. But with taking the time to educate myself it's really opened my eyes. And made kinda angry too lolz

Lack of self awareness is the way I'd describe it.

As far as my ethnic identity, I've never seen myself as anything besides simply African American/black.  However, people began questioning my background. My sister goes through this as well:



People may think it was signs of "self hate" or a kii cackle when I shared stories of how other black people questioned me but it's something I really went/go through. It's crazy when you just see yourself as one thing but have others asking you what your background is. It's very unsettling, actually.

This is what finally made me take a test to find out what the hell is going on. It's not self hate, it was a lack of self awareness, and knowledge of family history that led me to live in ignorance. I was definitely ignorant. On soooooo many levels.

Thank you for sharing

[Sinpool]

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I always thought it was funny how many people including Black Americans think Ebonics is uneducated, but those same people will be quick to try to speak Jamaican Patois or some other type of Creole.

[GYNandTONIC]

I only asked because I have a frat brother who battled with self hate while in college. He didnt like me for a minute because he thought I was too proud (I really love my skin and hair when I had some).

We started to talk alot about it and he looked to me for support. No one really knew he was battling this. Once he started trying to love himself it came across more as an affirmation than his truth. Kind how India Arie was doing with her songs about self love.

He started to hold black people at these really high standards. He would pick apart any and everything right and wrong about black culture. He would express disappointment in black women he thought was pretty when he realised they may have fake hair. He was grasping at anything to try to find something within his blackness to be proud of. The way you speak at times reminds me of him.

However, I'm smart enough to understand that your battle may not be his. I completely understand what you just explained. I just wanted clarity.

[Herb.]

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I always thought it was funny how many people including Black Americans think Ebonics is uneducated, but those same people will be quick to try to speak Jamaican Patois or some other type of Creole.

m,nmbv

[Herb.]

I only asked because I have a frat brother who battled with self hate while in college. He didnt like me for a minute because he thought I was too proud (I really love my skin and hair when I had some).

We started to talk alot about it and he looked to me for support. No one really knew he was battling this. Once he started trying to love himself it came across more as an affirmation than his truth. Kind how India Arie was doing with her songs about self love.

He started to hold black people at these really high standards. He would pick apart any and everything right and wrong about black culture. He would express disappointment in black women he thought was pretty when he realised they may have fake hair. He was grasping at anything to try to find something within his blackness to be proud of. The way you speak at times reminds me of him.

However, I'm smart enough to understand that your battle may not be his. I completely understand what you just explained. I just wanted clarity.

I don't see the point of holding blacks to high standards when we have a history which put so many odds against us. How can we be blamed for mess we barely have control over? A system which was SPECIFICALLY and intentionally put in place to divide us and make us hate ourselves. A system so dangerously potent that it's successfully crawled through generation after generation?

We can't be blamed for any of this mess and I would never place the blame on us.

After taking time to educate myself, I started seeing how a lot of mess I learned about has affected us in different ways. It really opened my eyes and allowed me to see the world almost entirely differently. But I will NEVER blame anyone in our own community. In fact, you'll always hear me saying one thing.....that it's not our got damn fault. Whatever we go through, or whatever trickled down into our culture, INCLUDING Ebonics, is due to limitations that have been placed on us since we arrived in slave ships.

[Herb.]

It's not about running around saying "woo! Black black black! Look @ me I'm African American guys! i'm a civil rights leader " .cuz as you can see in my sig, I gladly embrace every aspect of my heritage. That is not how I conduct myself.

But this is a discussion board, so sometimes if I see something that makes me go , I'll come back and share it. I talk a LOT. and type a lot. If I think it's worth starting a conversation about I'll mention it. But I see where you're coming from.