https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/over-66-of-all-music-listening-in-the-us-is-now-of-catalog-records-rather-than-new-releases/
Whenever I'm listening to music it's never NEW shit.
I remember as a child, classics were dropping left and right every year.
Not surprising
Most new music is straight TRASH
Something new has to really GRAB me to tune in
Otherwise im usually just listening to my faves
What IS it?
Is it really an age thing? Do we really just STAN the music that gave us feels during our developmental years, first cars, first kisses, first Napster downloads, high school bus rides home, childhood songs mom use to clean up to, etc...... then Once you're older, you only "appreciate" good music but you can do without it and only play it once. There is def a connection between the music you heard between the ages of 12-25 and the way you love it
The level of substance in music these days has declined drastically
a lot of melodies and singing/rapping styles are very samey as well; to where you can barely tell artists apart
artist development is no longer a thing anymore
I mean theres so many reasons why music isn't what it use to be
its very sad tbh
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
The level of substance in music these days has declined drastically
a lot of melodies and singing/rapping styles are very samey as well; to where you can barely tell artists apart
artist development is no longer a thing anymore
I mean theres so many reasons why music isn't what it use to be
its very sad tbh
True and its def oversaturated, they let ANYONE...... ANYYYYONE in
Social media is to blame for a lot of this. Back then, you needed a label (which offered artist development) to get you on TV, which was the main way you got attention. Now anyone can get attention, and doing the most for it.
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
The level of substance in music these days has declined drastically
a lot of melodies and singing/rapping styles are very samey as well; to where you can barely tell artists apart
this is the most disgusting part.
There's no individuality and every new artist sounds like a clone.
especially the "rappers"
But tbh, even when the substance is there, I still don't think most of us will go BACK to the newer mess as much as we do those old favorites. Even the not so popular or flop albums of the past are MUST listens and get played all the way through TO THIS DAY. I'm talking the Complicateds, the All I Haves, the Complex Simplicities....... They just not doing it today
Quote from: L0NZ. on July 16, 2021, 04:01:19 PM
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
The level of substance in music these days has declined drastically
a lot of melodies and singing/rapping styles are very samey as well; to where you can barely tell artists apart
artist development is no longer a thing anymore
I mean theres so many reasons why music isn't what it use to be
its very sad tbh
True and its def oversaturated, they let ANYONE...... ANYYYYONE in
very true
There aren't many SUPERSTARS out IMO
Quote from: Nine Fushiguro. on July 16, 2021, 04:05:32 PM
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
The level of substance in music these days has declined drastically
a lot of melodies and singing/rapping styles are very samey as well; to where you can barely tell artists apart
this is the most disgusting part.
There's no individuality and every new artist sounds like a clone.
especially the "rappers"
Dudhdhdh omg did y'all see TPain go OFF about that
Quote from: Nine Fushiguro. on July 16, 2021, 04:05:32 PM
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
The level of substance in music these days has declined drastically
a lot of melodies and singing/rapping styles are very samey as well; to where you can barely tell artists apart
this is the most disgusting part.
There's no individuality and every new artist sounds like a clone.
especially the "rappers"
!!!!
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I can't keep up with who's who nowadays
I cannot take the sleepy singing R&B style either
Quote from: L0NZ. on July 16, 2021, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: Nine Fushiguro. on July 16, 2021, 04:05:32 PM
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
The level of substance in music these days has declined drastically
a lot of melodies and singing/rapping styles are very samey as well; to where you can barely tell artists apart
this is the most disgusting part.
There's no individuality and every new artist sounds like a clone.
especially the "rappers"
Dudhdhdh omg did y'all see TPain go OFF about that
ddddd what did King say
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on July 16, 2021, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: Nine Fushiguro. on July 16, 2021, 04:05:32 PM
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
The level of substance in music these days has declined drastically
a lot of melodies and singing/rapping styles are very samey as well; to where you can barely tell artists apart
this is the most disgusting part.
There's no individuality and every new artist sounds like a clone.
especially the "rappers"
Dudhdhdh omg did y'all see TPain go OFF about that
ddddd what did King say
https://mobile.twitter.com/Gabriel_Will2/status/1414942532807561216
Quote from: L0NZ. on July 16, 2021, 04:12:31 PM
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on July 16, 2021, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: Nine Fushiguro. on July 16, 2021, 04:05:32 PM
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
The level of substance in music these days has declined drastically
a lot of melodies and singing/rapping styles are very samey as well; to where you can barely tell artists apart
this is the most disgusting part.
There's no individuality and every new artist sounds like a clone.
especially the "rappers"
Dudhdhdh omg did y'all see TPain go OFF about that
ddddd what did King say
https://mobile.twitter.com/Gabriel_Will2/status/1414942532807561216
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We have it already! You don't have to do that music anymore! :fuming:
I am screamirngggg
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No really though what's with them all wanting to be young this, and lil that, and even BABIES
Is it the White man? Like how they would call slaves "boy" even the grown MEN
Quote from: L0NZ. on July 16, 2021, 04:12:31 PM
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 04:08:30 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on July 16, 2021, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: Nine Fushiguro. on July 16, 2021, 04:05:32 PM
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
The level of substance in music these days has declined drastically
a lot of melodies and singing/rapping styles are very samey as well; to where you can barely tell artists apart
this is the most disgusting part.
There's no individuality and every new artist sounds like a clone.
especially the "rappers"
Dudhdhdh omg did y'all see TPain go OFF about that
ddddd what did King say
https://mobile.twitter.com/Gabriel_Will2/status/1414942532807561216
Most times if they do something else, especially in the rap community, then they'll be labeled as "weird" which lumps them right back into the same category with everyone else=Today's music.
Music producers these days are just not as creative. Everyone is running to a trap beat which literally any twelve year old can do in 1 minute after opening FL studio and selecting random drum kick patterns.
Quote from: L0NZ. on July 16, 2021, 04:34:43 PM
Is it the White man? Like how they would call slaves "boy" even the grown MEN
I mean, white people are the ones in power behind these record labels
I'm sure they're behind these shenanigans
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
The level of substance in music these days has declined drastically
a lot of melodies and singing/rapping styles are very samey as well; to where you can barely tell artists apart
artist development is no longer a thing anymore
I mean theres so many reasons why music isn't what it use to be
its very sad tbh
!!!
Quote from: ᴴᴼᵀᴾᴵᴺᴷ on July 16, 2021, 02:58:30 PM
Whenever I'm listening to music it's never NEW shit.
I remember as a child, classics were dropping left and right every year.
!!!
It's tragic, really. :overit:
Quote from: L0NZ. on July 16, 2021, 03:53:23 PM
What IS it?
Is it really an age thing? Do we really just STAN the music that gave us feels during our developmental years, first cars, first kisses, first Napster downloads, high school bus rides home, childhood songs mom use to clean up to, etc...... then Once you're older, you only "appreciate" good music but you can do without it and only play it once. There is def a connection between the music you heard between the ages of 12-25 and the way you love it
No, it just sucks.
No talent, no vocals, no superstars, no classics, no musicians, no A&R. Ch...
You can kind of track the downward trajectory of music since at least the late 90's. It went to hell by the late 2000's.
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
The level of substance in music these days has declined drastically
a lot of melodies and singing/rapping styles are very samey as well; to where you can barely tell artists apart
artist development is no longer a thing anymore
I mean theres so many reasons why music isn't what it use to be
its very sad tbh
Most of these new girls have the same deep monotone or light, airy whispery voices. No in between. Same tones, same cursive/sleepy singing styles. I hate it.
The men aren't much better. Most are rappers (using the term LOOSELY) turned "singers". A slap in the fact to real vocalists. No ones singing anymore. No real skill, just vibes.
I refer back to the R&B playlists on Apple Music to keep me up to date with what's hot, and most of that shit sounds the exact same.
The rappers aren't even worth mentioning.
Of course all aren't bad, but the good ones get lost in the shuffle and/or eventually start doing the same shit as everyone else..
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
The level of substance in music these days has declined drastically
a lot of melodies and singing/rapping styles are very samey as well; to where you can barely tell artists apart
artist development is no longer a thing anymore
I mean theres so many reasons why music isn't what it use to be
its very sad tbh
The worst thing, IMO, is the kids grow up inspired by the music of their youth.
The only thing inspiring today's youth are very minimally talented people, at best.
There are no musicians or bands. Very few real vocalists. Little melody. Very few R&B classics. Mostly overt sexual content.
This will make it worse and worse every few years because the next gen will only have what is out now as a standard.
My gen looked up to Whitney, Michael, Mariah, Prince, Janet, Stevie, 70's-80's soul stars. That means they grew up with a high caliber for excellence.
Today's gen will make terrible music because that's what they grew up on. :overit:
Quote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on July 16, 2021, 04:46:52 PM
Music producers these days are just not as creative. Everyone is running to a trap beat which literally any twelve year old can do in 1 minute after opening FL studio and selecting random drum kick patterns.
I promise you it's because they stopped music theory, teaching composition and real musicality.
I was watching a YouTube video about this. I think it was the one talking about how vocalists aren't trained in the church or music education anymore (another problem). The Black community was replete with musicians and vocalists who did NOTHING but learn and play and sing all the time. But church and music education are no longer a huge part of our culture, sadly.
That's why 60's and 70's soul sounds the way it does. There is just a lush, vibrant sound when you have real musicians and vocalists in a studio.
Once we started getting away from that with pushing buttons on a machine instead, you gradually lose that soul and vibrance. Sure, it took awhile. The 90's relied on great samples from that era. They still had the ear. A lot of the super producers from then were still musicians who knew how to play instruments (Babyface, Darkchild, Teddy Riley, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, The Neptunes, etc.).
But now you have a few generations of people who can't play anything, have no musical ear, and this is what you get. They simply don't know how to make anything but a few beeps and boops over a drum pattern. :uhh:
Quote from: ssw4919 on July 16, 2021, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on July 16, 2021, 04:46:52 PM
Music producers these days are just not as creative. Everyone is running to a trap beat which literally any twelve year old can do in 1 minute after opening FL studio and selecting random drum kick patterns.
I promise you it's because they stopped music theory, teaching composition and real musicality.
I was watching a YouTube video about this. I think it was the one talking about how vocalists aren't trained in the church or music education anymore (another problem). The Black community was replete with musicians and vocalists who did NOTHING but learn and play and sing all the time. But church and music education are no longer a huge part of our culture, sadly.
That's why 60's and 70's soul sounds the way it does. There is just a lush, vibrant sound when you have real musicians and vocalists in a studio.
Once we started getting away from that with pushing buttons on a machine instead, you gradually lose that soul and vibrance. Sure, it took awhile. The 90's relied on great samples from that era. They still had the ear. A lot of the super producers from then were still musicians who knew how to play instruments (Babyface, Darkchild, Teddy Riley, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, The Neptunes, etc.).
But now you have a few generations of people who can't play anything, have no musical ear, and this is what you get. They simply don't know how to make anything but a few beeps and boops over a drum pattern. :uhh:
Whew speak on it
Quote from: ssw4919 on July 16, 2021, 06:01:29 PM
Quote from: Young on July 16, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
The level of substance in music these days has declined drastically
a lot of melodies and singing/rapping styles are very samey as well; to where you can barely tell artists apart
artist development is no longer a thing anymore
I mean theres so many reasons why music isn't what it use to be
its very sad tbh
The worst thing, IMO, is the kids grow up inspired by the music of their youth.
The only thing inspiring today's youth are very minimally talented people, at best.
There are no musicians or bands. Very few real vocalists. Little melody. Very few R&B classics. Mostly overt sexual content.
This will make it worse and worse every few years because the next gen will only have what is out now as a standard.
My gen looked up to Whitney, Michael, Mariah, Prince, Janet, Stevie, 70's-80's soul stars. That means they grew up with a high caliber for excellence.
Today's gen will make terrible music because that's what they grew up on. :overit:
Felt every bit of this
If they kept track of this or had streaming back in the day, im sure numbers would be similar. You're always going to listen to ole reliable before gravitating toward something NEW all the time.
I'd say a big thing to consider is: how old is "catalog" in this study?
How narrowly are they defining that?
Is it "catalog" as in something released as early as last month or "catalog" as in someone reaching back 5-10 years for a vibe because nothing newer is tickling their fancy?
That's very important to know before diving into this convo IMO. The line between "new release" and "catalog" could be very thin , as opposed to a huge gap. Based on what I see in this thread, I think many of us are assuming it's a huge gap ("today's music is trash and this proves it", etc)
record companies are only gonna push out what they feel will sell. Or in today's world , what will be streamed . We're seeing a lot of what we see because there's clearly a demand for it .
And I actually enjoy some of the new new stuff. Lol it's fun and sexy . Do I prefer it over my classics? Not really but I enjoy
I'm tired of that rap cadence that's popular now that's taken over mainstream r&b
Quote from: ssw4919 on July 16, 2021, 06:15:36 PM
Quote from: 𝖘𝖖𝖚𝖎𝖉 on July 16, 2021, 04:46:52 PM
Music producers these days are just not as creative. Everyone is running to a trap beat which literally any twelve year old can do in 1 minute after opening FL studio and selecting random drum kick patterns.
I promise you it's because they stopped music theory, teaching composition and real musicality.
I was watching a YouTube video about this. I think it was the one talking about how vocalists aren't trained in the church or music education anymore (another problem). The Black community was replete with musicians and vocalists who did NOTHING but learn and play and sing all the time. But church and music education are no longer a huge part of our culture, sadly.
That's why 60's and 70's soul sounds the way it does. There is just a lush, vibrant sound when you have real musicians and vocalists in a studio.
Once we started getting away from that with pushing buttons on a machine instead, you gradually lose that soul and vibrance. Sure, it took awhile. The 90's relied on great samples from that era. They still had the ear. A lot of the super producers from then were still musicians who knew how to play instruments (Babyface, Darkchild, Teddy Riley, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, The Neptunes, etc.).
But now you have a few generations of people who can't play anything, have no musical ear, and this is what you get. They simply don't know how to make anything but a few beeps and boops over a drum pattern. :uhh:
!!!
Quote from: goodies on July 17, 2021, 08:08:37 AM
I'd say a big thing to consider is: how old is "catalog" in this study?
How narrowly are they defining that?
Is it "catalog" as in something released as early as last month or "catalog" as in someone reaching back 5-10 years for a vibe because nothing newer is tickling their fancy?
That's very important to know before diving into this convo IMO. The line between "new release" and "catalog" could be very thin , as opposed to a huge gap. Based on what I see in this thread, I think many of us are assuming it's a huge gap ("today's music is trash and this proves it", etc)
record companies are only gonna push out what they feel will sell. Or in today's world , what will be streamed . We're seeing a lot of what we see because there's clearly a demand for it .
And I actually enjoy some of the new new stuff. Lol it's fun and sexy . Do I prefer it over my classics? Not really but I enjoy
It's defined in the article
Quotewhereby 'catalog' reflects anything released over 18 months before a consumer made a purchase and/or pressed play
That's really not a huge gap tbh
I think when a lot of people think "catalog" they're thinking throwbacks way older than a year ... at least that's what I got from the thread title
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Tbh that make sense . People listening to music released as early as 18 months ago doesn't necessarily make this study proof that "today's music is trash".
But I can see why some feel that way about music of today ...
Catalog>
Any day of the week.
Quote from: JCJ on July 17, 2021, 08:18:05 AM
I'm tired of that rap cadence that's popular now that's taken over mainstream r&b
now THAT i can't stand
Ddhdhd we sound so OLD in here
Everything ain't gonna for us guys
Styles, trends and fashions always come full circle
I'd rather this era than that uninspired terrible generic dance-pop/b mess everyone was doing back then or that time everyone had their own generic version of that Rihanna-esque stargate island beat :dead:
David Guetta and Stargate were Agents of chaos
Quote from: JCJ on July 17, 2021, 08:18:05 AM
I'm tired of that rap cadence that's popular now that's taken over mainstream r&b
Now thissssss. It was cute for while but now the girls are really giving Migos on R&B songs and it's jarring :uhh: