Words from the shooter told by one of the survivors.
I think that he aligned and showed empathy for the history and treatment black people have received since our ancestors arrivals On slaveships.
And I have to ask....did he lie? Lmao !! :cheerup:
I always have felt that America has yet to pay its moral debt for all the mess that has gone down since its establishment. This country was literally built on pure evil .. On the back of slaves.
I don't think taking innocent lives is ever the answer. But who in the right mind wouldn't be able to understand why someone would hate this country so much ?
I just read this .. unbelievable
:everythingok:
So he couldn't spare the black gays?
v
When Jimmy Fallon said America was founded on freedom, tolerance, diversity, it made me sick to my stomach... The history and foundation of the U.S. is nothing short of disgusting.
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:uhh: Is my walking in vaiiiiiin ?
is my labor eeeeIIIInnn vain? :diddraispoot:
aren't like 12 of the dead black ?
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 14, 2016, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: Calvin Ellis on June 14, 2016, 10:23:14 PM
So he couldn't spare the black gays?
there was a hip hop room in the club. Witnesses say he never stepped foot in that area.
And he was familiar with the clubs layout.
I believe the Blacks that died were in the main room or went to hide in the bathrooms.
Or happened to be Puerto Ricans or Latinos.
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 14, 2016, 10:33:08 PM
Quote from: Magnolia Maymuru on June 14, 2016, 10:25:47 PM
When Jimmy Fallon said America was founded on freedom, tolerance, diversity, it made me sick to my stomach... The history and foundation of the U.S. is nothing short of disgusting.
i threw up in my mouth as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl8Xg9FdPNc
The comment section praising him as if he was on some Malcolm X or MLK
:holdupguys:
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 14, 2016, 10:19:52 PM
Words from the shooter told by one of the survivors.
I think that he aligned and showed empathy for the history and treatment black people have received since our ancestors arrivals On slaveships.
And I have to ask....did he lie? Lmao !! :cheerup:
I always have felt that America has yet to pay its moral debt for all the mess that has gone down since its establishment. This country was literally built on pure evil .. On the back of slaves.
I don't think taking innocent lives is ever the answer. But who in the right mind wouldn't be able to understand why someone would hate this country so much ?
This is why I scoff to myself when tragedies happen and rhetoric that follows is on some "We cannot live in fear, America was built on hope, on the freedom to BE, liberty! melting pot!"
Bitch bye. America was built on violence, greed, and racism. End.
Well formate then, Omar!
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Fuck him though.
This rhetoric is disgusting
Quote from: Baphomet. on June 14, 2016, 10:22:30 PM
:everythingok:
!!!
That would have pissed me off had he said it to me, and my response would have gotten me shot.
Idiot.
As I read and observe these threads since the shooting
i find it sooo sad how some of you are practically basking in the fact
that he wanted to "spare" black people and seem happy about it
like...have some compassion for the people that lost their lives, their families and friends
are we not all people at the end of the day? no ones life is greater than the other
and then with all these conspiracy theories, who gives a fuck
many people have lost their lives and many were injured and yall worried bout skin color
and all this "government had something to do with it"
maybe they did, maybe they didn't. now is not the time...let their families mourn
like, idk where some of yalls heads are at times
some of yall seem like very terrible people.
Quote from: Magnolia Maymuru on June 14, 2016, 11:09:40 PM
This rhetoric is disgusting
In a way but at the same time, different groups of minorities banning together is the ultimate threat imo. Killing innocent victims isn't the answer but it's fascinating, for lack of a better term, that this was acknowledged..
Like, honestly...
who raised some of you?
Quote from: BowDown on June 14, 2016, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: Magnolia Maymuru on June 14, 2016, 11:09:40 PM
This rhetoric is disgusting
In a way but at the same time, different groups of minorities banning together is the ultimate threat imo. Killing innocent victims isn't the answer but it's fascinating, for lack of a better term, that this was acknowledged..
I mean by those fags who claim America was built on peace and apple pies, luv...
yall are boasting about it
and acting like its some badge of honor...its disgusting the way some of you think
this is like the 3rd thread about it and yall in here posting gifs of congrats and mess
"oh! formate!, "oh! praise him", "wow...he's not so bad afterall"
like, eww. yall are GROSS.
it's not funny in the least bit...yall dont know nothing bout tact
or when and when not to be "funny"
Quote from: Magnolia Maymuru on June 14, 2016, 11:37:00 PM
Quote from: BowDown on June 14, 2016, 11:25:38 PM
Quote from: Magnolia Maymuru on June 14, 2016, 11:09:40 PM
This rhetoric is disgusting
In a way but at the same time, different groups of minorities banning together is the ultimate threat imo. Killing innocent victims isn't the answer but it's fascinating, for lack of a better term, that this was acknowledged..
I mean by those fags who chain America was built on piece and apple pies, luv...
Whoops, I misread
:flamebroiled:
Like...
I'm not happy that he spared black lives.
no one should've died that night. No life is greater than the other, yall are weird.
Quote from: Mel. on June 14, 2016, 11:40:50 PM
Like...
I'm not happy that he spared black lives.
no one should've died that night. No life is greater than the other, yall are weird.
Don't think Columbus and gorls were much about #AllLivesMatter hun
I would never align myself with him.
Plus, I don't believe him. He killed blacks that night, and his coworkers have said he said things against black people. He hates women, gays, himself, and probably everyone else, too.
I've had to bite my tongue so much these past few days
and lord knows I ain't that gorl...and I say what I have to say
I literally cannot believe some of the things I've been reading on here
but I tried my best to shut up and I did it for the victims
because I didn't feel it was the time to go at it with some of you and your fucked views
like, yall have 0 respect for the families of these people who died..
and the scary thing is I feel some of you really believe what you've been saying. That's scary
but this is the first and last time I speak on this issue. Yall gotta do better
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 14, 2016, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: Calvin Ellis on June 14, 2016, 10:23:14 PM
So he couldn't spare the black gays?
there was a hip hop room in the club. Witnesses say he never stepped foot in that area.
And he was familiar with the clubs layout.
I believe the Blacks that died were in the main room intermingling or went to hide in the bathrooms.
s
so only black listen to hip-hop
:hmph:
tbh. He couldn't tell who was latin or black. Because not every latin person has a lighter skin tone and not every black person has a darker hue.
and what about the many im sure that were there that had latin mix that may have appeared to be of a darker complexion ?
I dont believe it at all. and at the end of the day it doesn't matter. These people are dead and the ones that got away are lucky.
Quote from: Baphomet. on June 14, 2016, 11:57:40 PM
tbh. He couldn't tell who was latin or black. Because not every latin person has a lighter skin tone and not every black person has a darker hue.
and what about the many im sure that were there that had latin mix that may have appeared to be of a darker complexion ?
I dont believe it at all. and at the end of the day it doesn't matter. These people are dead and the ones that got away are lucky.
it's just sad all around :stressed:
Cr?ole! Whenever I look real good!
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Quote from: ken dahl. on June 14, 2016, 11:53:32 PM
Quote from: BENTLEY! on June 14, 2016, 11:51:24 PM
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 14, 2016, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: Calvin Ellis on June 14, 2016, 10:23:14 PM
So he couldn't spare the black gays?
there was a hip hop room in the club. Witnesses say he never stepped foot in that area.
And he was familiar with the clubs layout.
I believe the Blacks that died were in the main room intermingling or went to hide in the bathrooms.
s
so only black listen to hip-hop
:hmph:
Not even bothering to entertain you tonight Bent. Try someone else
gorl adjust that funky ass attitude
I wasn't rude
You're the one tryna justify this ignorant and offensive thread filled with ignorant statements
Don't start with me tonight, it's been a long day
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Most of the black victims were probably killed by the swat team when they shot up the bathroom in order to kill the shooters, or were just caught in the path of the bullets since the guns used were too powerful.
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 12:03:16 AM
Quote from: BENTLEY! on June 15, 2016, 12:01:23 AM
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 14, 2016, 11:53:32 PM
Quote from: BENTLEY! on June 14, 2016, 11:51:24 PM
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 14, 2016, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: Calvin Ellis on June 14, 2016, 10:23:14 PM
So he couldn't spare the black gays?
there was a hip hop room in the club. Witnesses say he never stepped foot in that area.
And he was familiar with the clubs layout.
I believe the Blacks that died were in the main room intermingling or went to hide in the bathrooms.
s
so only black listen to hip-hop
:hmph:
Not even bothering to entertain you tonight Bent. Try someone else
gorl adjust that funky ass attitude
I wasn't rude
You're the one tryna justify this ignorant and offensive thread filled with ignorant statements
Don't start with me tonight, it's been a long day
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k.
s
Quote from: Hazeleyes on June 15, 2016, 12:02:04 AM
Most of the black victims were probably killed by the swat team when they shot up the bathroom in order to kill the shooters, or were just caught in the path of the bullets since the guns used were too powerful.
Yeah, that happens when you bring a semiautomatic weapon into a crowded club and begin slaughtering people. :omgwatshappening:
Quote from: ssw4919 on June 15, 2016, 12:28:18 AM
Quote from: Hazeleyes on June 15, 2016, 12:02:04 AM
Most of the black victims were probably killed by the swat team when they shot up the bathroom in order to kill the shooters, or were just caught in the path of the bullets since the guns used were too powerful.
Yeah, that happens when you bring a semiautomatic weapon into a crowded club and begin slaughtering people. :omgwatshappening:
ssssssss
but hey!
here's to hoping he's a recipient at the next BET Honors awards because he peaked his head in and said "hey, don't have a problem with ya! some of ya might die tho!" before he went on a killing spree :kii: :kii: :kii:
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 14, 2016, 10:19:52 PM
Words from the shooter told by one of the survivors.
I think that he aligned and showed empathy for the history and treatment black people have received since our ancestors arrivals On slaveships.
And I have to ask....did he lie? Lmao !! :cheerup:
I always have felt that America has yet to pay its moral debt for all the mess that has gone down since its establishment. This country was literally built on pure evil .. On the back of slaves.
I don't think taking innocent lives is ever the answer. But who in the right mind wouldn't be able to understand why someone would hate this country so much ?
What he did was still wrong.
Quote from: Magnolia Maymuru on June 14, 2016, 10:34:49 PM
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 14, 2016, 10:33:08 PM
Quote from: Magnolia Maymuru on June 14, 2016, 10:25:47 PM
When Jimmy Fallon said America was founded on freedom, tolerance, diversity, it made me sick to my stomach... The history and foundation of the U.S. is nothing short of disgusting.
i threw up in my mouth as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl8Xg9FdPNc
The comment section praising him as if he was on some Malcolm X or MLK
:holdupguys:
which why I can't stand Jimmy's 'dumb ass. He's fucking delusional like all white ppl. They still think slavery was for our own good
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Happy Black His'
https://www.facebook.com/GYouth4Truth/videos/607880522704020/
I can see how easy it is to misunderstand what she was trying to convey here but the gist of it is, although he killed Blacks, he was letting it be known that it wasn't personal. A "I'm sorry but... Mess. He was sympathetic but he just wanted America to stop bombing his country. Doing what he gotta do.
He was born and raised in America.
I mean I understand being upset that your ancestral home is being destroyed, but I couldn't imagine shooting up places in America since I live here.
Ok I have to speak up
You're spewing complete and utter bullshit sis. Love you tho.
I'm not giving this phaggit a BIT of understanding ok. And that's final.
And justified hatred for an entire country while shooting up a damn LGBT club in Orlando is is absolutely asinine
Wake up! Or hush
Lemme leave I feel my blood boiling
Mass shooting ... Ppl died ... and the killer needs "understanding" now?
Where's the fckn door LOLZ
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Well then you need to clarify cause I'm not getting that from your posts. Don't get upset at me for having passionate feelings for ppl who can't speak for themselves anymore
Good morning to you tho
Fuck him
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Quote from: Don Draper on June 15, 2016, 10:48:38 AM
Fuck him
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!!!!!
Basically. Not here for anybody trying to put a "but" after this statement.
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 10:48:57 AM
Better comprehension on your part would probably solve whatever issue you have.
QuoteHe TOTALLY handled it the WRONG way and there's no doubt about it, I would never align with his actions.
In any case, didn't entertain you last night, won't do it this morning. We're done here
handled it the wrong way?
Ugh you know what. You're completely out of touch. You're letting your own struggles affect how you're viewing this.
This isn't a "black" issue hun
And I'm sure the victims families wouldn't "entertain" this bullshit you're tryna spew
Be lucky I'm a good enough sis to you to correct you when you're wrong
So lose the chip on your shoulder
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this fuckin thread wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
Wtf
That K Michelle gif always kills me
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 10:48:57 AM
Better comprehension on your part would probably solve whatever issue you have.
QuoteHe TOTALLY handled it the WRONG way and there's no doubt about it, I would never align with his actions.
In any case, didn't entertain you last night, won't do it this morning. We're done here
He's always misinterpreting/twisting something. Signs of a truly deluded individual
Quote from: BENTLEY! on June 15, 2016, 10:52:20 AM
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 10:48:57 AM
Better comprehension on your part would probably solve whatever issue you have.
QuoteHe TOTALLY handled it the WRONG way and there's no doubt about it, I would never align with his actions.
In any case, didn't entertain you last night, won't do it this morning. We're done here
handled it the wrong way?
Ugh you know what. You're completely out of touch. You're letting your own struggles affect how you're viewing this.
This isn't a "black" issue hun
And I'm sure the victims families wouldn't "entertain" this bullshit you're tryna spew
Be lucky I'm a good enough sis to you to correct you when you're wrong
So lose the chip on your shoulder
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you sound more than retarded.
ddssssss guys
Quote from: aGhoulact on June 15, 2016, 11:13:57 AM
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 10:48:57 AM
Better comprehension on your part would probably solve whatever issue you have.
QuoteHe TOTALLY handled it the WRONG way and there's no doubt about it, I would never align with his actions.
In any case, didn't entertain you last night, won't do it this morning. We're done here
He's always misinterpreting/twisting something. Signs of a truly deluded individual
gorl fall the FCK back. Ok.
I know exactly what Dumas is saying. Ok.
And it was very ignorant and insensitive with a hint of selfish intent given that he's getting in touch with his culture.
So yea, my point stands. We don't need to understand or relate to a damn thing about this killer. Ok.
Now. Dumas knows she was wrong. Let her be a big girl and clean up this mess. Ok.
It's 10:22 AM, go job hunting or something sis. You surely aren't on anybody's set focused on a role while you're perched here worrying about me. Ok.
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I agree with herbie
But nigga don't fckn confuse Syria with Afghanistan.
Why didn't he bomb the damn government buildings then not powerless fruity Ang?lito and Miguel selves ...
That would have been EDGE.
:ohwow:
Snatch Hilary or Donald owt the game and truly perch in the history books.
If you have all this tenacity, why unleash it on Puerto Rican homosexual boys. Go for the big guns sis.
:ohwow:
Funny that Herbie didn't feel the need to explain himself until I called out the flaws in his original statements. That was a huge paragraph. Still flawed in the sense, who cares, this isn't about being black in America or our struggle or what this idiot identified with.
It's cool tho, I don't kiss ass like Talisa, I call my sistren to the carpet to clear things up.
But I won't be expecting Afro to display decency and respect anymore, until he apologizes for being rude 💁
Just glad at least Dumas showed he had a heart and did some more thinking to correct the bulk of his statements.
Love you guys!
Can't believe it's Wed already LOLZ 😝
Omar is a coward Fag. Why go for Miguelito's jugular when you could have tried official functionaires... I mean IF you gon get an Uzi and get buck a bit... Choose a better damn destination
Bent' is losing it in here wtf
QuoteWho's Black in here
XNNXNXXBBXBXBXBXBXBD
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 11:55:52 AM
Quote from: Magnolia Maymuru on June 15, 2016, 11:53:23 AM
Omar is a coward Fag. Why go for Miguelito's jugular when you could have tried official functionaires... I'm just IF you gon get an Uzi and get buck a bit...
He was scoping out Disney too :plzstop:
I think he realized that was a no-go. Its way too open out there. The gorls would have scattered and he woulda been taken owt in like 5 seconds :plzstop: :plzstop:
I mean lets be all the way real. The Goditians had to amplify the recipe too, to get what they deserve. If you are brace enough to step into the battlefield, go'n head. Just leave my papis alone
:letsmessfag: :hmph:
Sak pass?
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 11:52:28 AM
Pressed.
why apologize and then edit sis :dead:
You were upset that I spoke up
Of course I was gonna be passionate on this issue
You can't make bold statements then turn sensitive
Like I said, you're cool. But I do expect an unedited apology for the rudeness
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This dude is out of it :hmph:
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 12:08:47 PM
You're no different from Mel in this thread Bent.
I don't care what you "spoke up" about, my stance remains unchanged. I understand why people hate America, but violence isn't the answer. Where in what I said did you see a misalignment from where I began?
I welcome you to point out this "correction" I made. Highlight the contradictions.
ssss
Sis
You just edited out the part saying "if anything you opened the door for me to expound how I feel" :dead:
And I know why you edited it.
Because it's exactly what I'm saying.
You came in here with an incomplete stance on something that came off as insensitive and selfish.
If me speaking up made you think and expound and dig deeper. Then great! That was my intention.
Do the same for me.
You clearly like ignorant ass kissers like Talisa that won't further any of your thinking. And clearly have low intelligence to even contribute something of value to this conversation besides coming for me like it's a Ciara thread :dead:
Glad you cleared yourself up in here tho. Good for you. Love ya! 💅🏿
Quote from: Magnolia Maymuru on June 15, 2016, 11:48:09 AM
Snatch Hilary or Donald owt the game and truly perch in the history books.
If you have all this tenacity, why unleash it on Puerto Rican homosexual boys. Go for the big guns sis.
:ohwow:
Yea that's why I'm not buying all this other mess. This nigga was just some closet case who hated himself and took it out on those he was envious of.
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 12:18:40 PM
Skimmed through that, no corrections/contradictions or retractions pointed out.
Keep it moving.
s
Not highlighting shit for ya, I clearly did that already and it prompted you to type that essay.
And are we gonna do the whole cry baby thing, every time I prove you wrong? :dead:
Oh well, wah wah wah bby.... you'll get over it
:hmph:
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All I can imagine is him walking in and saying
ANY COLOREDS IN HEA? :fuming:
I would've claimed Cherokee so fast
:stressed:
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: GRAND on June 15, 2016, 12:26:23 PM
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sorry
All I can imagine is him walking in and saying
ANY COLOREDS IN HEA? :fuming:
I would've claimed Cherokee so fast
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Some of them were scared to say yes because they thought he was trying to single them out for extra punishment.
One of the men in the bathroom stall said "yeah, there's 6 of us in here"
The other people in the stall were like :omgwatshappening: :omgwatshappening:
but he surprised them with the statement afterward.
that's one moment where claiming Cherokee would've done you bad. :plzstop: :plzstop:
Don't know about anyone else but I've been following this story nonstop on CNN. Have nothing better to do, just packing my stuff up getting ready to move. :plzstop:
yeah, I probably wouldn't have said anything
:stressed:
Quote from: Magnolia Maymuru on June 14, 2016, 10:25:47 PM
When Jimmy Fallon said America was founded on freedom, tolerance, diversity, it made me sick to my stomach... The history and foundation of the U.S. is nothing short of disgusting.
he said that? :uhh: :kii:
Quite the fucking opposite, jimmy boy
Quote from: Baphomet. on June 14, 2016, 10:29:10 PM
:uhh: Is my walking in vaiiiiiin ?
is my labor eeeeIIIInnn vain? :diddraispoot:
eqqqqwwwrf
Wait BAPH' Clark
Quote from: ssw4919 on June 14, 2016, 11:43:23 PM
I would never align myself with him.
Plus, I don't believe him. He killed blacks that night, and his coworkers have said he said things against black people. He hates women, gays, himself, and probably everyone else, too.
!!!!
Quote from: Baphomet. on June 14, 2016, 11:57:40 PM
tbh. He couldn't tell who was latin or black. Because not every latin person has a lighter skin tone and not every black person has a darker hue.
and what about the many im sure that were there that had latin mix that may have appeared to be of a darker complexion ?
I dont believe it at all. and at the end of the day it doesn't matter. These people are dead and the ones that got away are lucky.
and it's not as if he was shooting people one by one
When you use the kind of weapon he was using, at the speed he was likely using it, u don't have time to check out anyone's profile. He was just shooting without thought and without a care in sight, according to some people in the building
Quote from: Margeaux. on June 15, 2016, 08:53:22 AM
https://www.facebook.com/GYouth4Truth/videos/607880522704020/
I can see how easy it is to misunderstand what she was trying to convey here but the gist of it is, although he killed Blacks, he was letting it be known that it wasn't personal. A "I'm sorry but... Mess. He was sympathetic but he just wanted America to stop bombing his country. Doing what he gotta do.
:uhh:
If that's what she's basically trying to say in the video, then she's another heartless idiot. He had sympathy? :uhh: are you fucking kidding me
What country? He's American :kii:
He was born in fucking Queens/NYC. I wish people would do their damn research before hopping on camera trying to give off some sort of pseudo intellect.
I think he just wanted to make clear Isis doesn't approve gay people.. It is not about race
Rig kills me when he comes thru and just sweeps across a thread with commentary :dead:
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 12:58:11 PM
Quote from: Margeaux. on June 15, 2016, 08:53:22 AM
https://www.facebook.com/GYouth4Truth/videos/607880522704020/
I can see how easy it is to misunderstand what she was trying to convey here but the gist of it is, although he killed Blacks, he was letting it be known that it wasn't personal. A "I'm sorry but... Mess. He was sympathetic but he just wanted America to stop bombing his country. Doing what he gotta do.
:uhh:
If that's what she's basically trying to say in the video, then she's another heartless idiot. He had sympathy? :uhh: are you fucking kidding me
What country? He's American :kii:
He was born in fucking Queens/NYC. I wish people would do their damn research before hopping on camera trying to give off some sort of pseudo intellect.
oh I thought it was one of these "YouTube stars" spouting that foolishness you typed
Watching her testimony or whatever that was, made me feel really uncomfortable
Quote from: Annie on June 15, 2016, 12:59:33 PM
I think he just wanted to make clear Isis doesn't approve gay people.. It is not about race
hmm, and my view on this is .... ine fine and dandy for him and ISIS LOLZ
My point to Ken before he started attacking me and being rude was ... that shouldn't console us as a ppl, a culture. "Oh even ISIS says slavery was wrong, CNN reporting! Validation!!!!" :plzstop:
I mean! Don't get me wrong Dumas is a grown man, he can take his ass over to ISIS headquarters waving his NAACP flag if he wants too. Allies n stuff. But I'll be right here in America where I at least have a chance to fight the injustice without getting a bomb strapped to my leg.
Extremist can't be trusted or reasoned with period. Hence him going into that club like he was playing Call of Duty.
Quote from: Don Draper on June 15, 2016, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: Magnolia Maymuru on June 15, 2016, 11:48:09 AM
Snatch Hilary or Donald owt the game and truly perch in the history books.
If you have all this tenacity, why unleash it on Puerto Rican homosexual boys. Go for the big guns sis.
:ohwow:
Yea that's why I'm not buying all this other mess. This nigga was just some closet case who hated himself and took it out on those he was envious of.
those were probably the ones he was attracted to on all the gay dating apps and they turned that ass down, constantly and consistently
Quote from: GRAND on June 15, 2016, 12:26:23 PM
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All I can imagine is him walking in and saying
ANY COLOREDS IN HEA? :fuming:
I would've claimed Cherokee so fast
:stressed:
i can't imagine how scared they must have been to answer that question, especially not knowing his motives or intent omg
I wouldn't have answered :dead: what if he WAS there to kill blacks and blacks only? That's so scary smh
QuoteIsis has released a manifesto detailing the role of women in the jihadist group - stating it is "legitimate" for girls to be married to fighters at the age of nine and emphasising their role as wives, mothers and homemakers
Yea ... not looking for any type of reasoning within these ppls views, logic, or statements.
They need not worry about us as a black ppl and worry about their own injustices.
Sorry.
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Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 12:29:26 PM
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All I can imagine is him walking in and saying
ANY COLOREDS IN HEA? :fuming:
I would've claimed Cherokee so fast
:stressed:
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Some of them were scared to say yes because they thought he was trying to single them out for extra punishment.
One of the men in the bathroom stall said "yeah, there's 6 of us in here"
The other people in the stall were like :omgwatshappening: :omgwatshappening:
but he surprised them with the statement afterward.
that's one moment where claiming Cherokee would've done you bad. :plzstop: :plzstop:
Don't know about anyone else but I've been following this story nonstop on CNN. Have nothing better to do, just packing my stuff up getting ready to move. :plzstop:
bcnnccvvvvvvvvvccccc omg I think I wold have passed out honestly
I just don't know smh but I know I would've been in a HUGE panic over that black man not only responding but doing a fucking head count :uhh:
Quote from: BENTLEY! on June 15, 2016, 01:07:05 PM
Quote from: Annie on June 15, 2016, 12:59:33 PM
I think he just wanted to make clear Isis doesn't approve gay people.. It is not about race
hmm, and my view on this is .... ine fine and dandy for him and ISIS LOLZ
My point to Ken before he started attacking me and being rude was ... that shouldn't console us as a ppl, a culture. "Oh even ISIS says slavery was wrong, CNN reporting! Validation!!!!" :plzstop:
I mean! Don't get me wrong Dumas is a grown man, he can take his ass over to ISIS headquarters waving his NAACP flag if he wants too. Allies n stuff. But I'll be right here in America where I at least have a chance to fight the injustice without getting a bomb strapped to my leg.
Extremist can't be trusted or reasoned with period. Hence him going into that club like he was playing Call of Duty.
Umm I think, if he said it, it was to put the focus on sexuality and to avoid that the black community and black lives matters would make a big thing about it. But it is funny how it now becomes a thing anyways..
Quote from: Annie on June 15, 2016, 01:16:15 PM
Quote from: BENTLEY! on June 15, 2016, 01:07:05 PM
Quote from: Annie on June 15, 2016, 12:59:33 PM
I think he just wanted to make clear Isis doesn't approve gay people.. It is not about race
hmm, and my view on this is .... ine fine and dandy for him and ISIS LOLZ
My point to Ken before he started attacking me and being rude was ... that shouldn't console us as a ppl, a culture. "Oh even ISIS says slavery was wrong, CNN reporting! Validation!!!!" :plzstop:
I mean! Don't get me wrong Dumas is a grown man, he can take his ass over to ISIS headquarters waving his NAACP flag if he wants too. Allies n stuff. But I'll be right here in America where I at least have a chance to fight the injustice without getting a bomb strapped to my leg.
Extremist can't be trusted or reasoned with period. Hence him going into that club like he was playing Call of Duty.
Umm I think, if he said it, it was to put the focus on sexuality and to avoid that the black community and black lives matters would make a big thing about it. But it is funny how it now becomes a thing anyways..
hmmm. I agree with this.
So far I like the tormented DL theory way more than the other political crusader attributes being added.
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 01:19:06 PM
Quote from: BENTLEY! on June 15, 2016, 01:07:05 PM
Quote from: Annie on June 15, 2016, 12:59:33 PM
I think he just wanted to make clear Isis doesn't approve gay people.. It is not about race
hmm, and my view on this is .... ine fine and dandy for him and ISIS LOLZ
My point to Ken before he started attacking me and being rude was ... that shouldn't console us as a ppl, a culture. "Oh even ISIS says slavery was wrong, CNN reporting! Validation!!!!" :plzstop:
I mean! Don't get me wrong Dumas is a grown man, he can take his ass over to ISIS headquarters waving his NAACP flag if he wants too. Allies n stuff. But I'll be right here in America where I at least have a chance to fight the injustice without getting a bomb strapped to my leg.
Extremist can't be trusted or reasoned with period. Hence him going into that club like he was playing Call of Duty.
Are you being willfully ignorant or does it come naturally for you in here?
He's not even associated with ISIS. Are you keeping up with the story or just blindly debating with me?
Highlight where I said he was a part of ISIS. Please.
You're very combative toward me today.
Everything ok?
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 01:04:02 PM
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 12:58:11 PM
Quote from: Margeaux. on June 15, 2016, 08:53:22 AM
https://www.facebook.com/GYouth4Truth/videos/607880522704020/
I can see how easy it is to misunderstand what she was trying to convey here but the gist of it is, although he killed Blacks, he was letting it be known that it wasn't personal. A "I'm sorry but... Mess. He was sympathetic but he just wanted America to stop bombing his country. Doing what he gotta do.
:uhh:
If that's what she's basically trying to say in the video, then she's another heartless idiot. He had sympathy? :uhh: are you fucking kidding me
What country? He's American :kii:
He was born in fucking Queens/NYC. I wish people would do their damn research before hopping on camera trying to give off some sort of pseudo intellect.
He was born in NYC but he had close ties to the country, I mean both his parents migrated from there. I could see if it were an African American trying to seek justice for a country in Africa, claiming they have close ties to it, I mean most of us don't know EXACTLY which country our African mess comes from even if we do have a DNA report because we're so many generations removed from it. Although those things give us an idea.
But that wasn't the case for him. However I do believe that he was a wannabe to some extent. First he was claiming that he pledged allegiance to ISIS, then he pledged loyalty to another terrorist group that is actually enemies with ISIS, etc. :plzstop:
A lot of the evidence points to him just wanna be a crusader of some sort. But being that his parents came directly from Afghanistan I'm sure he maintained cultural ties to it. A lot of them bring their culture with them to New York City. Stepping into their neighborhoods is like stepping into their country sometimes. Trust me.
They NEVER forget where they come from. And they don't let anyone else forget either. :dead:
no no I totally get that, but I just wish people realized that he was born and grew up right here with us Americans. The fact that he was pledging to any group he could think of, just shows how desperate he was to have some sense of belonging.
Same reason young men STILL join gangs in the hood. His father constantly referred to him as a faggot, and I'm willing to bet when he cruised these apps, he was turned down more often than not because we know how shallow and racist they are on those.
So the gays he wanted didn't want him, his father didn't care for him, and it seems as if his ex wife (clearly) and co-workers didn't either.
This is just a guess, but maybe he was trying to prove to his father that he's a "real man" or some tough guy now, by doing such a disgusting thing. They really really need to thoroughly check into his father and HIS ties with terrorist groups, and see what else HE fucking knows about his own son and how much he knows about that plot of his.
I think..The guy was gay and Muslim, Isis asked Muslims to kill Americans during Ramadan.. He wanted to do 'something right' because he was a sinner. It is sad how someone fights others but is basically fighting himself.
Trump needs to realize that if he continues to make Muslims feel like they do not belong in America there is a big chance a lot of them will start to hate the 'western world'. It is something that is also happening in Europe.. Once you start discriminating they don't give a fuck anymore.
I'm mad he apparently was gay, would have preferred for him to be a straight guy
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 01:04:02 PM
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 12:58:11 PM
Quote from: Margeaux. on June 15, 2016, 08:53:22 AM
https://www.facebook.com/GYouth4Truth/videos/607880522704020/
I can see how easy it is to misunderstand what she was trying to convey here but the gist of it is, although he killed Blacks, he was letting it be known that it wasn't personal. A "I'm sorry but... Mess. He was sympathetic but he just wanted America to stop bombing his country. Doing what he gotta do.
:uhh:
If that's what she's basically trying to say in the video, then she's another heartless idiot. He had sympathy? :uhh: are you fucking kidding me
What country? He's American :kii:
He was born in fucking Queens/NYC. I wish people would do their damn research before hopping on camera trying to give off some sort of pseudo intellect.
He was born in NYC but he had close ties to the country, I mean both his parents migrated from there. I could see if it were an African American trying to seek justice for a country in Africa, claiming they have close ties to it, I mean most of us don't know EXACTLY which country our African mess comes from even if we do have a DNA report because we're so many generations removed from it. Although those things give us an idea.
But that wasn't the case for him. However I do believe that he was a wannabe to some extent. First he was claiming that he pledged allegiance to ISIS, then he pledged loyalty to another terrorist group that is actually enemies with ISIS, etc. :plzstop:
A lot of the evidence points to him just wanna be a crusader of some sort. But being that his parents came directly from Afghanistan I'm sure he maintained cultural ties to it. A lot of them bring their culture with them to New York City. Stepping into their neighborhoods is like stepping into their country sometimes. Trust me.
They NEVER forget where they come from. And they don't let anyone else forget either. :dead:
no no I totally get that, but I just wish people realized that he was born and grew up right here with us Americans. The fact that he was pledging to any group he could think of, just shows how desperate he was to have some sense of belonging.
Same reason young men STILL join gangs in the hood. His father constantly referred to him as a faggot, and I'm willing to bet when he cruised these apps, he was turned down more often than not because we know how shallow and racist they are on those.
So the gays he wanted didn't want him, his father didn't care for him, and it seems as if his ex wife (clearly) and co-workers didn't either.
This is just a guess, but maybe he was trying to prove to his father that he's a "real man" or some tough guy now, by doing such a disgusting thing. They really really need to thoroughly check into his father and HIS ties with terrorist groups, and see what else HE fucking knows about his own son and how much he knows about that plot of his.
Thank you. All of this. I agree.
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 12:18:40 PM
Skimmed through that, no corrections/contradictions or retractions pointed out.
Keep it moving.
:blessed:
I agree we shouldn't make this an attack from Isis because that is some other shit.
It is interesting how they use these individuals:
The claims underline a pattern in which ISIS seeks to inspire sympathizers to carry out attacks ? with or without operational support from the group ? and then claims responsibility for the carnage after the fact. In such plots, the connection to ISIS as a central organization may exist only in the attacker?s mind, but the resulting violence is no less lethal.
Declarations of allegiance to ISIS and its leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi have been a hallmark of past attacks by jihadist sympathizers, including the San Bernardino, Calif., shooting in December. One of the two shooters in the Garland, Texas, shooting in May 2015 indicated support for ISIS in a post on Twitter just before the attack.
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 01:26:59 PM
You mentioned ISIS twice in your post.
yea I sure did, in response to ANNIE's post.
and then I proceeded to tie that into my original point. which didn't warrant a response from you. Sorry you felt it did.
read more carefully next time please.
:dead:
Quote from: Annie on June 15, 2016, 01:25:46 PM
I think..The guy was gay and Muslim, Isis asked Muslims to kill Americans during Ramadan.. He wanted to do 'something right' because he was a sinner. It is sad how someone fights others but is basically fighting himself.
A shame that he doesn't understand the most basic aspect of his religion, which is Peace.
There's nothing peaceful about what this animal did. Actually during Ramadan, he shouldn't even BE in a club, let alone taking lives. What a sad case and excuse for a human being
Quote from: Annie on June 15, 2016, 01:28:05 PM
Trump needs to realize that if he continues to make Muslims feel like they do not belong in America there is a big chance a lot of them will start to hate the 'western world'. It is something that is also happening in Europe.. Once you start discriminating they don't give a fuck anymore.
its not even about that for me personally. I just can't understand why trump would want anyone feeling excluded, isolated or singled out.
Why make people feel as if they aren't citizens, and that they need to leave? Fuck politics, but why are you like this as a person? He's really fucked up in the head and it makes me sick.
!!!!!!!!!^
Quote from: BENTLEY! on June 15, 2016, 01:29:02 PM
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 01:04:02 PM
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 12:58:11 PM
Quote from: Margeaux. on June 15, 2016, 08:53:22 AM
https://www.facebook.com/GYouth4Truth/videos/607880522704020/
I can see how easy it is to misunderstand what she was trying to convey here but the gist of it is, although he killed Blacks, he was letting it be known that it wasn't personal. A "I'm sorry but... Mess. He was sympathetic but he just wanted America to stop bombing his country. Doing what he gotta do.
:uhh:
If that's what she's basically trying to say in the video, then she's another heartless idiot. He had sympathy? :uhh: are you fucking kidding me
What country? He's American :kii:
He was born in fucking Queens/NYC. I wish people would do their damn research before hopping on camera trying to give off some sort of pseudo intellect.
He was born in NYC but he had close ties to the country, I mean both his parents migrated from there. I could see if it were an African American trying to seek justice for a country in Africa, claiming they have close ties to it, I mean most of us don't know EXACTLY which country our African mess comes from even if we do have a DNA report because we're so many generations removed from it. Although those things give us an idea.
But that wasn't the case for him. However I do believe that he was a wannabe to some extent. First he was claiming that he pledged allegiance to ISIS, then he pledged loyalty to another terrorist group that is actually enemies with ISIS, etc. :plzstop:
A lot of the evidence points to him just wanna be a crusader of some sort. But being that his parents came directly from Afghanistan I'm sure he maintained cultural ties to it. A lot of them bring their culture with them to New York City. Stepping into their neighborhoods is like stepping into their country sometimes. Trust me.
They NEVER forget where they come from. And they don't let anyone else forget either. :dead:
no no I totally get that, but I just wish people realized that he was born and grew up right here with us Americans. The fact that he was pledging to any group he could think of, just shows how desperate he was to have some sense of belonging.
Same reason young men STILL join gangs in the hood. His father constantly referred to him as a faggot, and I'm willing to bet when he cruised these apps, he was turned down more often than not because we know how shallow and racist they are on those.
So the gays he wanted didn't want him, his father didn't care for him, and it seems as if his ex wife (clearly) and co-workers didn't either.
This is just a guess, but maybe he was trying to prove to his father that he's a "real man" or some tough guy now, by doing such a disgusting thing. They really really need to thoroughly check into his father and HIS ties with terrorist groups, and see what else HE fucking knows about his own son and how much he knows about that plot of his.
Thank you. All of this. I agree.
i really pray they look into his father and interview him multiple times. They need to pretty much interrogate him, actually. There's no excuse for his animalistic son, but im willing to BET that he was the way he was, partly because his father is the same way if not much worse.
That father knows a whole hell of a lot more than he's saying. "Well, ya know ... Hmmm 🤔🤔 I think he did see two gays kissing at Starbucks one day and he did seem quite angry about it. Wow ... yes"
Fucking please. You mean to tell me that's all they could get out of his own flesh and blood? After the man just lost his son, he was calm enough to think back and recall such a story :dead: girl
That man is equally as twisted and vile and I can't wait for it all to be uncovered. Hopefully before it's too late
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 01:33:46 PM
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 01:04:02 PM
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 12:58:11 PM
Quote from: Margeaux. on June 15, 2016, 08:53:22 AM
https://www.facebook.com/GYouth4Truth/videos/607880522704020/
I can see how easy it is to misunderstand what she was trying to convey here but the gist of it is, although he killed Blacks, he was letting it be known that it wasn't personal. A "I'm sorry but... Mess. He was sympathetic but he just wanted America to stop bombing his country. Doing what he gotta do.
:uhh:
If that's what she's basically trying to say in the video, then she's another heartless idiot. He had sympathy? :uhh: are you fucking kidding me
What country? He's American :kii:
He was born in fucking Queens/NYC. I wish people would do their damn research before hopping on camera trying to give off some sort of pseudo intellect.
He was born in NYC but he had close ties to the country, I mean both his parents migrated from there. I could see if it were an African American trying to seek justice for a country in Africa, claiming they have close ties to it, I mean most of us don't know EXACTLY which country our African mess comes from even if we do have a DNA report because we're so many generations removed from it. Although those things give us an idea.
But that wasn't the case for him. However I do believe that he was a wannabe to some extent. First he was claiming that he pledged allegiance to ISIS, then he pledged loyalty to another terrorist group that is actually enemies with ISIS, etc. :plzstop:
A lot of the evidence points to him just wanna be a crusader of some sort. But being that his parents came directly from Afghanistan I'm sure he maintained cultural ties to it. A lot of them bring their culture with them to New York City. Stepping into their neighborhoods is like stepping into their country sometimes. Trust me.
They NEVER forget where they come from. And they don't let anyone else forget either. :dead:
no no I totally get that, but I just wish people realized that he was born and grew up right here with us Americans. The fact that he was pledging to any group he could think of, just shows how desperate he was to have some sense of belonging.
Same reason young men STILL join gangs in the hood. His father constantly referred to him as a faggot, and I'm willing to bet when he cruised these apps, he was turned down more often than not because we know how shallow and racist they are on those.
So the gays he wanted didn't want him, his father didn't care for him, and it seems as if his ex wife (clearly) and co-workers didn't either.
This is just a guess, but maybe he was trying to prove to his father that he's a "real man" or some tough guy now, by doing such a disgusting thing. They really really need to thoroughly check into his father and HIS ties with terrorist groups, and see what else HE fucking knows about his own son and how much he knows about that plot of his.
I don't know about the gay apps theory, it hasn't been confirmed whether he was using them for sexual means or simply to scope the territory for his attack. It wouldn't be the first time that a straight man utilized gay dominated channels for their own evil plans. Also, his wife visited the Pulse club with him a couple times and has admitted that she knew of his plans to do some sort of Jihadist based strike.
I think once we have a clear understanding of why he was using the gay apps, it will definitely open up the conversation more in regards to his manhood being on the line, etc.
But aside from survivor's testimonies, everything else is just too foggy now to comfortably conclude that he was on the DL. It's definitely a logical theory though.
Its been reported that he'd been going to that club for over 3 years though ssdddffff I'm sorry but that small ass club didn't need to be researched for damn near half a decade :kii: and he certainly didn't need gay apps, looking at half naked/fully naked men tooting up their ass to do it either.
That man is as gay as the day is long. Even his ex-wife said he had "gay tendencies" but those women always turn a blind eye and sweep it under the rug, so I'm sure it was more than him bending and snapping or whatever other gay/effeminate stereotype thats out there.
He also used to beat her. I can definitely see her finding some gay pics, nudes or history on the computer and him beating her senseless for having the gumption to even bring it up to his face
Now if he were outside and inside of Disney world for a few years and scouting THAT, that would be different in my eyes. That makes waaaaay more sense, because that park is absolutely gigantic. Acres and acres
Yeah, these reporters are known to reiterate shit over and over again, but still be expectin' a different answer. Like, fuck off, next question? :plea:
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/orlando-shooters-ex-wife-he-had-gay-tendencies-w210007
Right there.
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 01:50:49 PM
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: Annie on June 15, 2016, 01:28:05 PM
Trump needs to realize that if he continues to make Muslims feel like they do not belong in America there is a big chance a lot of them will start to hate the 'western world'. It is something that is also happening in Europe.. Once you start discriminating they don't give a fuck anymore.
its not even about that for me personally. I just can't understand why trump would want anyone feeling excluded, isolated or singled out.
Trump represents the worst part of America , the part of America that people HATE.
Yet, he's our candidate for president! :cheerup: On TV saying that it's OK, and even essential that we single out and alienate Muslims.
The fact that he's even allowed a platform is a prime example of why I understand people's hatred for this country. Why was he even ALLOWED to get this far in potentially leading our country?
He's accusing of Obama of empathizing with terrorists, when Obama pretty much feels the same way I do. The nasty shit that goes down in this country makes people hate it. That doesn't mean that Obama feels terrorism is OK and murder is just dandy! :cheerup:
Obama was PISSED yesterday during his statement. You can tell how fed up he is with the foolishness that's going on. I'd be offended that someone like Trump was even allowed an opportunity to sit in the same seat that I just left. How is someone like him even in the same ballpark as Obama? I don't care how many coins he has :uhh:
I don't know who actually watched Obama's address yesterday but he lowkey snapped.
Trump event went further than that, and basically claimed Obama actually had something to do with it. He insinuated it, again, tying it back to Hussein being his middle name (irrelevant) and the whole theory and FALSE claim of Obama not even being born in this country.
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 02:01:01 PM
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 01:33:46 PM
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 01:04:02 PM
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 12:58:11 PM
Quote from: Margeaux. on June 15, 2016, 08:53:22 AM
https://www.facebook.com/GYouth4Truth/videos/607880522704020/
I can see how easy it is to misunderstand what she was trying to convey here but the gist of it is, although he killed Blacks, he was letting it be known that it wasn't personal. A "I'm sorry but... Mess. He was sympathetic but he just wanted America to stop bombing his country. Doing what he gotta do.
:uhh:
If that's what she's basically trying to say in the video, then she's another heartless idiot. He had sympathy? :uhh: are you fucking kidding me
What country? He's American :kii:
He was born in fucking Queens/NYC. I wish people would do their damn research before hopping on camera trying to give off some sort of pseudo intellect.
He was born in NYC but he had close ties to the country, I mean both his parents migrated from there. I could see if it were an African American trying to seek justice for a country in Africa, claiming they have close ties to it, I mean most of us don't know EXACTLY which country our African mess comes from even if we do have a DNA report because we're so many generations removed from it. Although those things give us an idea.
But that wasn't the case for him. However I do believe that he was a wannabe to some extent. First he was claiming that he pledged allegiance to ISIS, then he pledged loyalty to another terrorist group that is actually enemies with ISIS, etc. :plzstop:
A lot of the evidence points to him just wanna be a crusader of some sort. But being that his parents came directly from Afghanistan I'm sure he maintained cultural ties to it. A lot of them bring their culture with them to New York City. Stepping into their neighborhoods is like stepping into their country sometimes. Trust me.
They NEVER forget where they come from. And they don't let anyone else forget either. :dead:
no no I totally get that, but I just wish people realized that he was born and grew up right here with us Americans. The fact that he was pledging to any group he could think of, just shows how desperate he was to have some sense of belonging.
Same reason young men STILL join gangs in the hood. His father constantly referred to him as a faggot, and I'm willing to bet when he cruised these apps, he was turned down more often than not because we know how shallow and racist they are on those.
So the gays he wanted didn't want him, his father didn't care for him, and it seems as if his ex wife (clearly) and co-workers didn't either.
This is just a guess, but maybe he was trying to prove to his father that he's a "real man" or some tough guy now, by doing such a disgusting thing. They really really need to thoroughly check into his father and HIS ties with terrorist groups, and see what else HE fucking knows about his own son and how much he knows about that plot of his.
I don't know about the gay apps theory, it hasn't been confirmed whether he was using them for sexual means or simply to scope the territory for his attack. It wouldn't be the first time that a straight man utilized gay dominated channels for their own evil plans. Also, his wife visited the Pulse club with him a couple times and has admitted that she knew of his plans to do some sort of Jihadist based strike.
I think once we have a clear understanding of why he was using the gay apps, it will definitely open up the conversation more in regards to his manhood being on the line, etc.
But aside from survivor's testimonies, everything else is just too foggy now to comfortably conclude that he was on the DL. It's definitely a logical theory though.
Its been reported that he'd been going to that club for over 3 years though ssdddffff I'm sorry but that small ass club didn't need to be researched for damn near half a decade :kii: and he certainly didn't need gay apps, looking at half naked/fully naked men tooting up their ass to do it either.
That man is as gay as the day is long. Even his ex-wife said he had "gay tendencies" but those women always turn a blind eye and sweep it under the rug, so I'm sure it was more than him bending and snapping or whatever other gay/effeminate stereotype thats out there.
He also used to beat her. I can definitely see her finding some gay pics, nudes or history on the computer and him beating her senseless for having the gumption to even bring it up to his face
You mentioned the ex-wife saying he had "gay tendencies", I've been keeping up with the story and I don't remember her saying that in either one of the two interviews I saw, even when they tried to lead her into that direction. Do you have a source with her saying that specifically? Maybe I missed something
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-had-gay-tendencies-according-to-ex-wife-as-pulse-patron-say-attacker-was-a7081041.html
Not in the televised interviews I suppose.
QuoteThe man, who did not want to be named, told the Palm Beach Post: ?We went to a few gay bars with him, and I was not out at the time, so I declined his offer.?
He believed Mateen was gay but was not open about his preference, describing him as ?socially awkward?. Mateen did not become a police officer and was working as a G4S security guard at the time of his attack.
Another man said Mateen had messaged him for a year on the gay chat and dating app Jack?d but that they never met up.
Kevin West told the Los Angeles Times he was dropping off a friend at Pulse at 1am on Sunday morning when he recognised him crossing the road.
?He walked directly past me. I said, ?Hey,? and he turned and said, ?Hey,?? and nodded his head, West said. ?I could tell by the eyes.?
QuoteSeveral regulars at the club told the Orlando Sentinel Mateen had visited before and told drinkers he had a child, as well as talking about his father.
?Sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and other times he would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent,? Ty Smith said.
Another frequent patron at Pulse, Jim Van Horn, described Mateen as a ?regular?.
?He was trying to pick up people. Men,? he told the Associated Press, saying the man had once told him about his ex-wife.
A mess.
He was definitely scouting alright :kii: and constantly rejected as I suspected. I'm crying
Classic case of a man SCORNED with a dash of self hatred.
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 02:02:17 PM
Now if he were outside and inside of Disney world for a few years and scouting THAT, that would be different in my eyes. That makes waaaaay more sense, because that park is absolutely gigantic. Acres and acres
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Quote from: Baphomet. on June 15, 2016, 02:08:56 PM
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/orlando-shooters-ex-wife-he-had-gay-tendencies-w210007
Right there.
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Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 02:16:43 PM
Wait she did say it during this portion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAGhYRM4ihE
I missed it.
oh shit
This is actually my first time seeing the video as well. I'm sorry but I knew it the moment they showed his selfies the day after the shooting :dead: that man was gay
However I DO understand that It's not super super important in the grand scheme of things because many lives were lost
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 02:17:13 PM
"he loved to look @ himself"
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I feel like she kept it light cuz she was about to go in
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It's just so weird. You never know what's going on in people's minds. You can see someone everyday and be totally clueless to who/what they really are.
The man conflicted and embarrassed, probably was being rejected too many times
at that bar.
His sexuality vs his religion.
I think he shot up the club because of his sexuality and his disdain towards it,
not because of ISIS
:uhh: there was a video on the page. Did you not click it.
Quote from: Baphomet. on June 15, 2016, 02:08:56 PM
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/orlando-shooters-ex-wife-he-had-gay-tendencies-w210007
Right there.
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Quote from: Don Draper on June 15, 2016, 02:26:19 PM
It's just so weird. You never know what's going on in people's minds. You can see someone everyday and be totally clueless to who/what they really are.
!!!!!
The fact that people saw him day to day, and interacted with him is creeping me out. I mean, I just never picture these crazy people actually leaving their homes but they obviously function damn near the same way as everyone else.
Like you said, you just never know, and that scares me more than anything
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 02:20:42 PM
Yeah with this tea she's given I definitely can agree those trips to Pulse weren't all "part of the plan".
Another person who hates themselves so much that they hurt others who are free to openly express themselves. In a way it's some twisted weird sense of jealousy.
!!!! Sad. I don't even wanna begin to psycho analyze the man because it would be impossible, but it seems as if he internalized quite a bit and took it out on everyone else, starting with anyone close to him.
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 02:23:22 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on June 15, 2016, 02:21:54 PM
Quote from: Baphomet. on June 15, 2016, 02:08:56 PM
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/orlando-shooters-ex-wife-he-had-gay-tendencies-w210007
Right there.
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Baph gotta do better with the receipts. That link to the gossip magazine wasn't cutting it for me. :plzstop:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-had-gay-tendencies-according-to-ex-wife-as-pulse-patron-say-attacker-was-a7081041.html
I put this at the bottom of page 10 but the thread started moving quickly again
A lot of these smaller sites just snatch from the bigger sources and copy and paste from different credible/reputable sources. I don't think any gossip rags have been indecent enough to start creating stories just yet
Quote from: BOND on June 15, 2016, 02:26:48 PM
The man conflicted and embarrassed, probably was being rejected too many times
at that bar.
His sexuality vs his religion.
I think he shot up the club because of his sexuality and his disdain towards it,
not because of ISIS
thats crazy. Kinda tells me that even in his final hour, he didn't wanna be associated with the truth. Maybe he wanted some of his last words to be ISIS and anything terrorist related, so part of his motive wouldn't ever come out :dead:
He's probably in that grave PISSED that we all figured it out just hours later. Ur gay Hun and ya weren't cute.
Quote from: Magnolia Maymuru on June 15, 2016, 11:48:09 AM
Snatch Hilary or Donald owt the game and truly perch in the history books.
If you have all this tenacity, why unleash it on Puerto Rican homosexual boys. Go for the big guns sis.
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Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 02:42:17 PM
Quote from: BOND on June 15, 2016, 02:26:48 PM
The man conflicted and embarrassed, probably was being rejected too many times
at that bar.
His sexuality vs his religion.
I think he shot up the club because of his sexuality and his disdain towards it,
not because of ISIS
thats crazy. Kinda tells me that even in his final hour, he didn't wanna be associated with the truth. Maybe he wanted some of his last words to be ISIS and anything terrorist related, so part of his motive wouldn't ever come out :dead:
He's probably in that grave PISSED that we all figured it out just hours later. Ur gay Hun and ya weren't cute.
The real gotcha right there. All these conversations and calm demeanor he supposedly had are of little consequence IMO
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 02:32:16 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on June 15, 2016, 02:26:19 PM
It's just so weird. You never know what's going on in people's minds. You can see someone everyday and be totally clueless to who/what they really are.
!!!!!
The fact that people saw him day to day, and interacted with him is creeping me out. I mean, I just never picture these crazy people actually leaving their homes but they obviously function damn near the same way as everyone else.
Like you said, you just never know, and that scares me more than anything
I was reading about how he used to get off work and go next door to a restaurant and chop it up with drag queens :dead: The man was just totally conflicted and confused.
Quote from: Don Draper on June 15, 2016, 02:48:39 PM
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 02:32:16 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on June 15, 2016, 02:26:19 PM
It's just so weird. You never know what's going on in people's minds. You can see someone everyday and be totally clueless to who/what they really are.
!!!!!
The fact that people saw him day to day, and interacted with him is creeping me out. I mean, I just never picture these crazy people actually leaving their homes but they obviously function damn near the same way as everyone else.
Like you said, you just never know, and that scares me more than anything
I was reading about how he used to get off work and go next door to a restaurant and chop it up with drag queens :dead: The man was just totally conflicted and confused.
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wtf
he would really stand out if that's the case. I wonder if any Muslims gave him shit for doing things like this.
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 15, 2016, 02:39:55 PM
Wait, Jayden when you say it's "not because of ISIS" are you trying to say it's not because of ISIS specifically, or are you saying that you don't believe that his actions had anything to do with what's taking place in the bombing of Afghanistan, etc?
I don't think he has any affiliation with Afghanistan or ISIS or was inspired by what is going on over there
That whole ISIS rhetoric was a cover up
His embarrassment of his sexuality, him being shunned in the only place he thought he could be 'free', being trapped in a sham marriage is what made him do it IMO
Probably cracked under the pressure of trying to a 'good muslim' and wanting to accept his sexuality
Imagine being shunned by both groups
Muslims shunning him because he's gay, and the gays shunning because he's weird and add to it, a Muslim :dead:
He cracked and let loose in that club
The ISIS thing was a good cop out and the media will run with it and use it to add to the Anti Muslim campaign
Quote from: BOND on June 15, 2016, 03:17:30 PM
Probably cracked under the pressure of trying to a 'good muslim' and wanting to accept his sexuality
Imagine being shunned by both groups
Muslims shunning him because he's gay, and the gays shunning because he's weird and add to it, a Muslim :dead:
He cracked and let loose in that club
The ISIS thing was a good cop out and the media will run with it and use it to add to the Anti Muslim campaign
My thoughts exactly
Someone as misguided as him, I just can't put worth to what he's saying, like Annie said, some statements could've been bread crumbs to lead away from the truth .... like his supposed alignment with "blacks" :dead:
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 14, 2016, 10:19:52 PM
Words from the shooter told by one of the survivors.
I think that he aligned and showed empathy for the history and treatment black people have received since our ancestors arrivals On slaveships.
And I have to ask....did he lie? Lmao !! :cheerup:
I always have felt that America has yet to pay its moral debt for all the mess that has gone down since its establishment. This country was literally built on pure evil .. On the back of slaves.
I don't think taking innocent lives is ever the answer. But who in the right mind wouldn't be able to understand why someone would hate this country so much ?
i think it's way more deeper than hating' America... i mean he's a terrorist, he hates everything that doesn't follow the way they (terrorists) interpret Islam. They're against the occidental lifestyle and everything that has to do with it...including freedom to be who, what we want to and be with whoever we wanna be with ...etc...That's how they operate... i think it's way beyond race.... cause they also kill millions of people of their own race over there in the middle-east.
Mind you... 2 days ago, right after Orlando, a terrorist here in France, went a Police Officer's house, stabbed him to death in front of his house, then went in and killed his wife in front of their 3yo child...just because that couple worked for the Police...he eventually got killed a few hours later by the police.... and u know what they found on him... a list with the name of the next victims he planned to kill.. french politics, celebrities, and even french rappers were the next targets...
I mean those people don't care about race... something is definitely wrong with them and they're don't fuckin' care as long they get to kill massely to frighten the rest of us...
I really don't know how this whole situation is gonna evolve..this is scary
Quote from: BENTLEY! on June 15, 2016, 03:38:30 PM
Quote from: BOND on June 15, 2016, 03:17:30 PM
Probably cracked under the pressure of trying to a 'good muslim' and wanting to accept his sexuality
Imagine being shunned by both groups
Muslims shunning him because he's gay, and the gays shunning because he's weird and add to it, a Muslim :dead:
He cracked and let loose in that club
The ISIS thing was a good cop out and the media will run with it and use it to add to the Anti Muslim campaign
My thoughts exactly
Someone as misguided as him, I just can't put worth to what he's saying, like Annie said, some statements could've been bread crumbs to lead away from the truth .... like his supposed alignment with "blacks" :dead:
maybe being gay and a Muslim he felt was it was like to be like being a 'targeted minority' group like the blacks
Or maybe he felt disdain towards Latinos and whites and maybe they were the ones who were rejecting him and they were his target..
I dunno whatever it is, I really feel it wasnt because of ISIS propaganda
Just a scorned fag who couldn't take
Quote from: AfroJisiac on June 15, 2016, 03:42:30 PM
Quote from: ken dahl. on June 14, 2016, 10:19:52 PM
Words from the shooter told by one of the survivors.
I think that he aligned and showed empathy for the history and treatment black people have received since our ancestors arrivals On slaveships.
And I have to ask....did he lie? Lmao !! :cheerup:
I always have felt that America has yet to pay its moral debt for all the mess that has gone down since its establishment. This country was literally built on pure evil .. On the back of slaves.
I don't think taking innocent lives is ever the answer. But who in the right mind wouldn't be able to understand why someone would hate this country so much ?
i think it's way more deeper than hating' America... i mean he's a terrorist, he hates everything that doesn't follow the way they (terrorists) interpret Islam. They're against the occidental lifestyle and everything that has to do with it...including freedom to be who, what we want to and be with whoever we wanna be with ...etc...That's how they operate... i think it's way beyond race.... cause they also kill millions of people of their own race over there in the middle-east.
Mind you... 2 days ago, right after Orlando, a terrorist here in France, went a Police Officer's house, stabbed him to death in front of his house, then went in and killed his wife in front of their 3yo child...just because that couple worked for the Police...he eventually got killed a few hours later by the police.... and u know what they found on him... a list with the name of the next victims he planned to kill.. french politics, celebrities, and even french rappers were the next targets...
I mean those people don't care about race... something is definitely wrong with them and they're don't fuckin' care as long they get to kill massely to frighten the rest of us...
I really don't know how this whole situation is gonna evolve..this is scary
It is not just America, most Western countries are targets..sometimes you can't really predict the place also. For example the attacks in Brussels were suppose to happen in Paris but they were afraid the guy that was arrested would snitch so they had to hurry up. There are organized groups and individuals.. Motives are different: it can be personal frustration, revenge (for example someone killed in a bombing) or a cartoon.
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Quote from: Don Draper on June 15, 2016, 02:48:39 PM
Quote from: 1Rig on June 15, 2016, 02:32:16 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on June 15, 2016, 02:26:19 PM
It's just so weird. You never know what's going on in people's minds. You can see someone everyday and be totally clueless to who/what they really are.
!!!!!
The fact that people saw him day to day, and interacted with him is creeping me out. I mean, I just never picture these crazy people actually leaving their homes but they obviously function damn near the same way as everyone else.
Like you said, you just never know, and that scares me more than anything
I was reading about how he used to get off work and go next door to a restaurant and chop it up with drag queens :dead: The man was just totally conflicted and confused.
:blink: wow
What in the bipolar hell.
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Annie?
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Annie?
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I think the reason was homophobic:
"To say to a child, 'I am having you adopted by two men who kiss regularly but don't worry about it' ? that is abuse," the Metro reported him saying.
"It is a violation of a child's human rights because that child has no opportunity to grow up under normal circumstances."
I know a Muslim who is denial of his sexuality and clings into the fact that he hadn't had sex with a man
And lemme tell you, he's fucked up
Quote from: GRAND on June 15, 2016, 04:14:26 PM
I know a Muslim who is denial of his sexuality and clings into the fact that he hadn't had sex with a man
And lemme tell you, he's fucked up
see now imagine if he's married and the gorls don't use
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Hmm
I was thinking last night about an actual target or targets being uncovered in this as ppl speak out about him and his secrets.
Like was it a group of gays that shunned him, or anyone in there about to expose him?
But then again, doesn't explain why he open fire in that small place just to get intended targets.
So yea ... his hatred of homo things was deep.