QuoteDear Men of "The Breakfast Club": Trans Women Aren’t a Prop, Ploy, or Sexual Predators
QuoteJanet Mock addresses the controversy following her appearance on the problematic radio show.
I was not na?ve when I entered the TriBeCa studio of “The Breakfast Club,” a hip-hop radio show that bills itself as “the world’s most dangerous morning show,” hosted by Angela Yee, Charlamagne tha God, and DJ Envy, on July 18.
I had watched previous interviews over the years and was familiar with their provocative and oftentimes problematic brand of talk. For instance, I remembered their interview with trans dancer and online personality Sidney Starr in 2013, and I recalled many times when they derogatorily used the term “tranny” with casual disdain. I witnessed the male hosts critique the bodies of black cis and trans women alike, as if we’re objects on display, open for dissection.
Yet I was hopeful that I could use the show’s vast platform to speak directly to their predominantly black and Latinx listeners, who are often excluded from the conversations held in mainstream LGBT spaces (which are largely white, moneyed, and concerned with the centering of cis folk). I hoped I could make listeners aware of the lived realities of their trans sisters, and let them know that we deserve to be seen, heard, and acknowledged without the threat of harassment, exclusion, and violence.
My ultimate goal was to be accessible — to not judge, to call in rather than call out, and, above all, to exercise patience as the (straight cis male) hosts processed my existence. It’s rare that I do Trans 101 lecturing anymore, because I’ve already done that work with my first book, Redefining Realness, which was filled with plain speak and explanatory commas about definitions, statistics, and context.
In fact, I’ve turned down thousands from colleges and corporations because I refuse to engage in Trans 101. Trans folk, especially of color, should not be obligated to help cis folk play catch-up on our experiences. The effort can detract from our work to protect and liberate ourselves. Yet I also know that black and Latina trans women often live in communities of color, so outreach to viewers of color, from The Wendy Williams Show and Essence to Desus & Mero, was vital as I set out on my book tour.
I was invited to “The Breakfast Club” because cohost Yee chose my second memoir, Surpassing Certainty, for her book club. It was my last scheduled media appearance after a long, grueling tour in support of Surpassing Certainty, which is about the years in my life I decided to keep my trans-ness private — largely in order to gain access and maintain my safety. These years coincided with my 20s, when I navigated college, graduate school, and my early media career. The interview aired on radio stations across the country (edited and condensed) and in its entirety on YouTube a week later.
Though I have not been able to watch the video of my interview (I have already experienced it and won’t be doing so again), I’m proud of the labor I put forth, and I’m grateful to Yee for her preparation and effort to steer the conversation away from the particulars of my body and instead toward my work. The interview was what it was, and I refuse to re-experience being asked about my vagina in such blatant, irrelevant, and sensational ways. Again, if I am not fucking you, why do you care?
Just when I thought the experience was behind me, I woke up to a text from a friend a few days later (just after Trump’s attempt to ban trans folk from the military) asking if I was OK. I didn’t know what she was referring to — I was afraid something had happened to a mutual friend. My heart skipped.
Then I checked Twitter and saw a video clip of “The Breakfast Club” interview with comedian Lil Duval, whose name I hadn’t even heard before. In the clip (an extended version can be seen here on TMZ), DJ Envy poses a hypothetical question to his guest about dating and sleeping with a woman who discloses that she’s trans after four months of courtship.
“This might sound messed up and I don’t care,” Duval says. “She dying. I can’t deal with that.”
“That’s a hate crime,” Charlamagne says. “You can’t do that.”
“You manipulated me to believe in this thing,” Duval says, before continuing, “If one did that to me, and they didn’t tell me, I’mma be so mad I’d probably going to want to kill them.”
Then DJ Envy holds up my book Surpassing Certainty. The cover image is a closeup portrait of my face. Envy says, “This is Janet Mock right here.”
“All right. Put that damn book down,” Duval demands.
“Tell me she ain’t pretty,” Charlamagne pushes. “Come on now.”
“She’s beautiful,” Yee echoes.
“Nope. That nigga doing his thing….ain’t finna get me.”
The hosts laugh after using my image as a literal prop — just days after I was a guest on the same show — for laughs, vitriol, and a deeper call and justification for violence. Just so we are all clear: On a black program that often advocates for the safety and lives of black people, its hosts laughed as their guest advocated for the murder of black trans women who are black people, too!
This was not the first time that I’ve been misgendered, dismissed, told that I am an abomination, that I need medical help and God, et cetera, et cetera. Boo boo: You are not original. Everything you’ve spewed has been said to me and my sisters before — hundreds of times. But there are deeper consequences to this casual ignorance.
It’s this deplorable rhetoric that leads many cis men, desperately clutching their heterosexuality, to yell at, kick, spit on, shoot, burn, stone, and kill trans women of color. It’s something I’ve written about extensively and even explored in my conversation with actress Amiyah Scott, who lost her sister Chyna Gibson when she was shot to death in New Orleans in February. Chyna was the fifth trans woman killed in 2017. There have been at least 15 reported deaths of trans women of color so far this year, according to GLAAD.
Until cis people — especially heteronormative men — are able to interrogate their own toxic masculinity and realize their own gender performance is literally killing trans women, cis men will continue to persecute trans women and blame them for their own deaths. If you think trans women should disclose and “be honest,” then why don’t you work on making the damn world safe for us to exist in the first place? The “I’d kill a woman if I found out” rhetoric is precisely why so many women hold themselves so tight — the stigma and shame attached to our desires need to be abolished.
We must navigate difficult conversations about desire and identity, about the fact that trans girls exist, and for as long as we’ve existed we’ve been desired by men (including high-profile ones who won’t ever own their desires) who are not working toward gaining the tools to deal with their attraction. And just so we are clear: Just because you find me and my sisters attractive does not mean we desire you.
You never could.
Duval purposefully misgendered me (as the hosts laugh, thereby cosigning) in an attempt to put me in my place and erase my womanhood. Their fragile masculinity would not allow them to recognize a simple truth: I am an accomplished, beautiful black trans woman. Your willful ignorance will not stop me from being exactly who I am. My sisters and I are here and we exist, and you will not diminish our light and our brilliance.
Even in the face of this nonsense, I have to acknowledge that this is not about me. I’ve dealt with the limitations of little insecure men my entire life. I do thank each and every black woman and femme who’s shown up for me (especially Black Lives Matter cofounder Patrisse Cullors, trans feminist editor Ashlee Marie Preston, and activist Blossom C. Brown, who disrupted a Politicon conversation Sunday with cohost Charlamagne to call attention to the way his show helped perpetuate violence. Also, must shoutout Raquel Willis's #TransFolksAreNotaJoke).
But I’ll be just fine: I have a job, a home, a supportive husband, and a family. I feel protected and cared for. I’m OK.
Unfortunately, my writing this essay or conducting another interview will not do all the work. It’ll be up to you — the readers and the listeners — to help bridge that gap. So I ask: How will you show up for our sisters who are watching, listening, and experiencing this violence daily?
https://www.allure.com/story/janet-mock-response-the-breakfast-club-trans-women
I just wanna see Duval homeless
Is that too much to ask for? :blessed:
QUEEN!
I feel Janet but hiding secrets like that is very dangerous. She say she is misgendered and others say you are what you were born. The raping and murders aren't a laughing joke shame on BC
Lil Duval is just ignorant its like he hates women period. I always thought he was gay point blank
Quote from: FM on July 31, 2017, 12:10:53 PM
I feel Janet but hiding secrets like that is very dangerous. She say she is misgendered and others say you are what you were born. The raping and murders aren't a laughing joke shame on BC
Lil Duval is just ignorant its like he hates women period. I always thought he was gay point blank
I dont think he's gay but he's ignorant. I do think that he thinks what alot of guys think tho. Regardless of u transforming yourself into a woman, surgery and all, I view u as a man. Making jokes out of the murders was a step too far probably but i think everyone is entitled to their opinion. Its so taboo to have an opinion on stuff like this now.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 12:29:52 PM
Quote from: FM on July 31, 2017, 12:10:53 PM
I feel Janet but hiding secrets like that is very dangerous. She say she is misgendered and others say you are what you were born. The raping and murders aren't a laughing joke shame on BC
Lil Duval is just ignorant its like he hates women period. I always thought he was gay point blank
I dont think he's gay but he's ignorant. I do think that he thinks what alot of guys think tho. Regardless of u transforming yourself into a woman, surgery and all, I view u as a man. Making jokes out of the murders was a step too far probably but i think everyone is entitled to their opinion. Its so taboo to have an opinion on stuff like this now.
There has to be some accountability on both sides. Trans women can't force ppl to believe they are women.
She should also be advocating for trans women to be upfront with ppl. She skipped all by that in her interview. They can't have it all.
You really can't say SHIT anymore :dead:
Yeah trans women are trans women and not women. I do not think hey owe anyone to disclose that information unless it's a relationship. And killing someone or joking about is absolutely not acceptable.
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 12:42:53 PM
Yeah trans women are trans women and not women.
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
But this is really all lil dummy was saying. He should've left the rest on the cutting room floor
Anyone defending lil duval is trash
If trans women wanna be referred to as women, referring to them as men is a form of disrespect. Point blank. You're kinda asking for problems
Read them queen
Fag Duval really could never
This ICON>>>>>
(https://i.imgur.com/p2OIaVv.jpg)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVXmhGbh8aL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sOxwigFzlg
Quote from: OwnIt on July 31, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
If trans women wanna be referred to as women, referring to them as men is a form of disrespect. Point blank. You're kinda asking for problems
Who in here said anything different? If u wanna be called Talisa even tho ur name is trent, then so be it. Just because u give someone that respect doesnt mean ur views change. referring to someone as her if that's how they wanna identify doesnt mean I automatically view u as a woman.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 12:57:12 PM
Quote from: OwnIt on July 31, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
If trans women wanna be referred to as women, referring to them as men is a form of disrespect. Point blank. You're kinda asking for problems
Who in here said anything different?
did I say someone said anything different? :diddraispoot: back up dumb ass dummy
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 12:45:20 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 12:42:53 PM
Yeah trans women are trans women and not women.
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
But this is really all lil dummy was saying. He should've left the rest on the cutting room floor
If he stopped being so stupid and said it more tactful i see no problem in him expressing how he truly feels.
not trully
Yeah, the breakfast club's audience and lil duval as a whole are slow as fuck
There isn't even scientific proof that transsexuality is actually a thing. But tricking into a person into what they consider to be same sex relations is no where near grounds for death threats imo. U enjoyed it so why does it matter. That's like hiding you are black and passing as Indian and afterwards they are mad for having slept with a black person. Get over it hun.
Quote from: OwnIt on July 31, 2017, 12:59:15 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 12:57:12 PM
Quote from: OwnIt on July 31, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
If trans women wanna be referred to as women, referring to them as men is a form of disrespect. Point blank. You're kinda asking for problems
Who in here said anything different?
did I say someone said anything different?
So what was the point of bringing it up? What an idiot :dead:
Quote from: OwnIt on July 31, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
If trans women wanna be referred to as women, referring to them as men is a form of disrespect. Point blank. You're kinda asking for problems
wai' Talisa! I'm stanning for you a bit. :ohwow:
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 01:02:12 PM
There isn't even scientific proof that transsexuality is actually a thing. But tricking into a person into what they consider to be same sex relations is no where near grounds for death threats imo. U enjoyed it so why does it matter. That's like hiding you are black and passing as Indian and afterwards they are mad for having slept with a black person. Get over it hun.
Boy, this ramble
I didn't know Richard pryor slept with a trans tho. That's edgy
:letsmessfag:
I want to be referred to as a Korean from now on.
:young:
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: OwnIt on July 31, 2017, 12:59:15 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 12:57:12 PM
Quote from: OwnIt on July 31, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
If trans women wanna be referred to as women, referring to them as men is a form of disrespect. Point blank. You're kinda asking for problems
Who in here said anything different?
did I say someone said anything different?
So what was the point of bringing it up?
Because I can say what the fck I want to you burnt ass piece of toast now move :uhh:
Quote from: Dreamsicle. on July 31, 2017, 01:03:23 PM
Quote from: OwnIt on July 31, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
If trans women wanna be referred to as women, referring to them as men is a form of disrespect. Point blank. You're kinda asking for problems
wai' Talisa! I'm stanning for you a bit. :ohwow:
:sistas:
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: OwnIt on July 31, 2017, 12:59:15 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 12:57:12 PM
Quote from: OwnIt on July 31, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
If trans women wanna be referred to as women, referring to them as men is a form of disrespect. Point blank. You're kinda asking for problems
Who in here said anything different?
did I say someone said anything different?
So what was the point of bringing it up? What an idiot :dead:
Quote from: OwnIt on July 31, 2017, 01:05:32 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: OwnIt on July 31, 2017, 12:59:15 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 12:57:12 PM
Quote from: OwnIt on July 31, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
If trans women wanna be referred to as women, referring to them as men is a form of disrespect. Point blank. You're kinda asking for problems
Who in here said anything different?
did I say someone said anything different?
So what was the point of bringing it up?
Because
Ur a fckn dummy, yea. Smh
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 01:02:12 PM
There isn't even scientific proof that transsexuality is actually a thing.
trans girls brains match natural born females
Vonc is fuming hard today
(http://i.imgur.com/tKAs0Ob.gif)
And in the clip, Duval referred to Janet as "that nigga"
Clearly I'm alluding to what this whole discussion arose from. Don't be slow, medic & vonc.
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 01:02:12 PM
There isn't even scientific proof that transsexuality is actually a thing.
trans girls brains match natural born females
Brains aren't gendered or have sex. That is a very sexist hypothesis that has no biological backing whatsoever.
& messy medic, you are trash for defending Lil Duval
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 01:02:12 PM
There isn't even scientific proof that transsexuality is actually a thing.
trans girls brains match natural born females
Brains aren't gendered or have sex. That is a very sexist hypothesis that has no biological backing whatsoever.
then what is it?
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 01:13:43 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 01:02:12 PM
There isn't even scientific proof that transsexuality is actually a thing.
trans girls brains match natural born females
Are u being serious?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 01:13:43 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 01:02:12 PM
There isn't even scientific proof that transsexuality is actually a thing.
trans girls brains match natural born females
Are u being serious?
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/
thanks for educating the ignorant, king :stressed:
I think that's stupid anyway. I dont need scientific proof. People are entitled to identify however they want. Like what kinda scientific proof are u looking for anyway? Should Trans have hidden ovaries tucked away or sumn? Identify however u want but also dont get mad because people arent quick to align with how u view yourself
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 01:13:43 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 01:02:12 PM
There isn't even scientific proof that transsexuality is actually a thing.
trans girls brains match natural born females
Are u being serious?
im sorry but LSKJFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFDFFFFFFF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8DPLBrwzkw
Yeah Brains have no gender.
It's a thing fags
Not sure why we keep having this discussion
Especially when not a single soul in here can explain homosexuality
eh, lemme go grab my macbook.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/there-is-no-such-thing-as-stereotypically-gendered-male-and-female-brains-a6755336.html
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/04/male-female-brains-same-but-people-all-different
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/04/male-female-brains-same-but-people-all-different
:udontlookok: the SJW has arisen
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:22:28 PM
It's a thing fags
Not sure why we keep having this discussion
Especially when not a single soul in here can explain homosexuality
This is a very good point. I'm not disagreeing
c
Malcolm I'm not reading that
Not when you went from saying you didn't understand homosexuality or why anyone likes dick in the butt to making threads about getting fucked 3 times in a day
When you decide to become trans gorl mal, don't expect anyone to understand
Quote from: OwnIt on July 31, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
If trans women wanna be referred to as women, referring to them as men is a form of disrespect. Point blank. You're kinda asking for problems
They're not women. :dead:
Stop conflating gay with trans. There is zero comparison. Where is the fckn analogy. Attraction to the same sex is not debatable. I never said it was genetical.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 01:13:43 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:12:42 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 01:02:12 PM
There isn't even scientific proof that transsexuality is actually a thing.
trans girls brains match natural born females
Are u being serious?
There are major differences in the female and male brain functions. Same structure but very different
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:26:15 PM
c
Malcolm I'm not reading that
Not when you went from saying you didn't understand homosexuality or why anyone likes dick in the butt to making threads about getting fucked 3 times in a day
When you decide to become trans gorl mal, don't expect anyone to understand
ckfj
well...i didnt wanna say anything but yeah!
Bath u eat my fuckin ass btw fag
The point is -- Looking for a definite answer to explain things isn't going to happen today. But that doesn't mean transgender folks are living in an imaginary world.
Not sure why you guys are so threatened anyway
Are some of y'all considering buying a wig but not sure if you'd look cute in it?
:omf:
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 01:28:46 PM
Stop conflating gay with trans. There is zero comparison. Where is the fckn analogy. Attraction to the same sex is not debatable. I never said it was genetical.
I think its valid af tbh. What's the differences in the homosexual brain vs the heterosexual brain. Ur in here talking about scientific proof well then it's all up for debate. If u cant give me scientific proof as to why someone turns out gay vs heterosexual then..................
There's more to being a woman than throwing on a wig and getting a boob job. :omf:
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 01:02:12 PM
There isn't even scientific proof that transsexuality is actually a thing. But tricking a person into what they consider to be same sex relations is no where near grounds for death threats imo. U enjoyed it so why does it matter. That's like hiding you are black and passing as Indian and afterwards they are mad for having slept with a black person. Get over it hun.
s
the LIBERTIES taken in this statement are ASTOUNDING :dead:
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
There's more to being a woman than throwing on a wig and getting a boob job. :omf:
xnxnnxnxnxnxxbxb
I agree
But one can't explain why they feel they are a woman anymore than another can explain why they like dick in the butt
Ask any of these fags why
:omf:
oh hey! I'm a nigga, sorry you couldn't tell! tee hee!
:supluv:
no ma'am ... I don't agree with the physical retaliation, but to downplay it in lieu of a drastic measure taken by the str8 man isn't right either
start locking these lying ass NIGGAS up
and put them in the gotdamn MALE detention centers while you're at it
you don't lie over no dick and think ppl supposed to turn the other cheek. fck outta here
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
There's more to being a woman than throwing on a wig and getting a boob job. :omf:
xnxnnxnxnxnxxbxb
I agree
But one can't explain why they feel they are a woman anymore than another can explain why they like dick in the butt
Ask any of these fags why
:omf:
It's a mental illness :omf:
And claiming another gender is different from being attracted to the same sex :omf:
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
There's more to being a woman than throwing on a wig and getting a boob job. :omf:
Right!!!
yea
this jans is right
THIS jans slays
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
There's more to being a woman than throwing on a wig and getting a boob job. :omf:
xnxnnxnxnxnxxbxb
I agree
But one can't explain why they feel they are a woman anymore than another can explain why they like dick in the butt
Ask any of these fags why
:omf:
It's a mental illness :omf:
And claiming another gender is different from being attracted to the same sex :omf:
are you trans or gay?
:omf:
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
There's more to being a woman than throwing on a wig and getting a boob job. :omf:
sssssssssssssssss
:omf:
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 01:02:12 PM
There isn't even scientific proof that transsexuality is actually a thing. But tricking into a person into what they consider to be same sex relations is no where near grounds for death threats imo. U enjoyed it so why does it matter. That's like hiding you are black and passing as Indian and afterwards they are mad for having slept with a black person. Get over it hun.
Boy, this ramble
gggggggggggggggggd
:guys:
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:45:07 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
There's more to being a woman than throwing on a wig and getting a boob job. :omf:
xnxnnxnxnxnxxbxb
I agree
But one can't explain why they feel they are a woman anymore than another can explain why they like dick in the butt
Ask any of these fags why
:omf:
It's a mental illness :omf:
And claiming another gender is different from being attracted to the same sex :omf:
are you trans or gay?
:omf:
r u a tranny :omf:
Quote from: ORORO MUNROE-UDAKU on July 31, 2017, 01:40:12 PM
oh hey! I'm a nigga, sorry you couldn't tell! tee hee!
:supluv:
no ma'am ... I don't agree with the physical retaliation, but to downplay it in lieu of a drastic measure taken by the str8 man isn't right either
start locking these lying ass NIGGAS up
and put them in the gotdamn MALE detention centers while you're at it
you don't lie over no dick and think ppl supposed to turn the other cheek. fck outta here
I agree with everything said here. It has to be some accountability on both sides. Give the straight men the option to sleep with you
QuoteThen I checked Twitter and saw a video clip of ?The Breakfast Club? interview with comedian Lil Duval, whose name I hadn?t even heard before.
Quote from: Uni on July 31, 2017, 01:48:54 PM
QuoteThen I checked Twitter and saw a video clip of ?The Breakfast Club? interview with comedian Lil Duval, whose name I hadn?t even heard before.
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn m
jans rlly is a class act
tha trans need more like her
Quote from: Uni on July 31, 2017, 01:48:54 PM
QuoteThen I checked Twitter and saw a video clip of ?The Breakfast Club? interview with comedian Lil Duval, whose name I hadn?t even heard before.
sddsssssssssssddd
Jans is a mess. Lil duval is the MOST irrelevant nigga tho
Quote from: land of punt. on July 31, 2017, 01:47:55 PM
Quote from: Freeruu on July 31, 2017, 12:56:55 PM
Fag Duval really could never
This ICON>>>>>
(https://i.imgur.com/p2OIaVv.jpg)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVXmhGbh8aL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sOxwigFzlg
oh wait
her husband is foine .
very classy lvy. not too surprised
This interview :omf: why is this nigga crossing his legs :omf:
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
There's more to being a woman than throwing on a wig and getting a boob job. :omf:
xnxnnxnxnxnxxbxb
I agree
But one can't explain why they feel they are a woman anymore than another can explain why they like dick in the butt
Ask any of these fags why
:omf:
It's a mental illness :omf:
And claiming another gender is different from being attracted to the same sex :omf:
!!!!!
These girls are OWT of it.
There is no need to scientifically justify homosexual behavior. Clearly you choose to physically mess/interact with the same sex and there is nothing wrong with doing so. Fags and trans should take accountability and not hide behind some syndrome.
Acknowledging you are gay when you are gay is living in your truth.
Telling yourself you are a woman, when you are a man is living in delusion.
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:26:15 PM
c
Malcolm I'm not reading that
Not when you went from saying you didn't understand homosexuality or why anyone likes dick in the butt to making threads about getting fucked 3 times in a day
When you decide to become trans gorl mal, don't expect anyone to understand
:guys:
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:21:34 PM
There is no need to scientifically justify homosexual behavior.
So why is there a need to scientifically prove transgender? No one in here asked for scientific proof but u. U can't have it both ways. Being gay should be understood but being transgendered requires some irrefutable proof? Its stupid and what he said is still valid. U can't show scientific documentation stating the differences in a homosexual man vs a heterosexual man, chemical imbalances, etc. Yet u acknowledge it as someone's truth. So don't act like u require all this scientific explanation from a trans, it's hypocritical and silly
Key word "decide"
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:21:34 PM
Clearly you choose to physically mess/interact with the same sex and there is nothing wrong with doing so.
sexual attraction makes you gay?
Anyways,
So a few comments:
I think the issue comes in when folks still feel like their opinion is infallible. I think that's a major issue/falsehood in general. If your opinion is rooted in denigrating, abusing, devaluing, or dehumanizing individuals or groups of people, it's a shit opinion and it needs to be checked.
There are white people out here who feel blacks are lazy, no-good, uneducated ass beings beneath them right? Do we just chuck that up as your opinion is your opinion! lolz. No, because we know that's bullshit.
I think people generally confuse opinions translating to actions/practices also. Just because you say okay I accept this, live your life doesn't mean it translates into you engaging in whatever THIS is. I think thats why so many ashy ass straight niggas still perform this willingly ignorant shit, because they feel that you have to reject everything or else it says something about what YOU do imo.
People also STILL come from this place of giving "straight" niggas the benefit of the doubt when it comes to trans women. Oh tricked! Deceived! Most these niggas are gay or bisexual and are using the same platforms to mess. Yall really think most of these trans women are getting plucked from the streets & catcalled? :dead: . People just dont allow for Black men to be more sexually expressive thats why people feel like there's deception and black men indulge in secrecy or go to extreme measures to protect their masculinity.
Ultimately if someone goes through a transitional surgery and prefers to be called/dubbed a woman then she's a fuckin woman. Now I understand why women who were born women would take issue with that. Im not trans nor am I a woman so that fight is between those groups.
Still not sure why science was brought up.
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:33:14 PM
Hey word "decide"
So gay men and women decide to be attracted to the same sex? Ur being dense AF :dead:
Ur about to argue this dumb ass point of deciding to engage in same sex acts but that's not the discussion in here. Why are homosexuals homosexual? Even if someone NEVER acts on it, there must be some scientific proof as to why they arent simply attracted to the opposite sex, no? There MUST be some biological differences in heterosexual vs homosexuals, yea?
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:21:34 PM
Clearly you choose to physically mess/interact with the same sex and there is nothing wrong with doing so.
sexual attraction makes you gay?
!!!!!!!!!
This fool :dead:
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:21:34 PM
There is no need to scientifically justify homosexual behavior.
So why is there a need to scientifically prove transgender? No one in here asked for scientific proof but u. U can't have it both ways. Being gay should be understood but being transgendered requires some irrefutable proof? Its stupid and what he said is still valid. U can't show scientific documentation stating the differences in a homosexual man vs a heterosexual man, chemical imbalances, etc. Yet u acknowledge it as someone's truth. So don't act like u require all this scientific explanation from a trans, it's hypocritical and silly
You can easily prove same sex attractions by checking penile erection or vaginal arousal.
You can't diagnose a person with gender dysphoria with certainty as gender is a social construct.
Sexual attraction is a biological irrefutable factuality. Being born in the wrong body is not.
Understand the difference between "prove" and "justify". You can't justify either but you can prove homosexuality to be an actual thing. Transsexuality would mean you define sexes beyond biological parameters.
Sexual identity and sexual orientation really shouldn't be conflated. There is just no analogy.
Quote from: land of punt. on July 31, 2017, 01:51:13 PM
some oppressed people jump at opportunities to demean other groups of people.
guess it makes them feel better.
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:21:34 PM
Clearly you choose to physically mess/interact with the same sex and there is nothing wrong with doing so.
sexual attraction makes you gay?
It does not?
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:21:34 PM
There is no need to scientifically justify homosexual behavior. Clearly you choose to physically mess/interact with the same sex and there is nothing wrong with doing so. Fags and trans should take accountability and not hide behind some syndrome.
Acknowledging you are gay when you are gay is living in your truth.
Telling yourself you are a woman, when you are a man is living in delusion.
sssssssssssssssss
Iono why this made me scream
But while I do see what you're chipping at,
I don't think homosexuality is some disorder
And I also don't think its a cognitive choice either.
I mean ppl choose to be celibate no matter what they like sexually. That's the action you're talking about.
If these men feel like women it totally doesn't matter either way imo, same way a phagg who is aroused by men will always be, scientific explanation or not.
But not knocking those who do want to go the scientific route
Quote from: Kurama on July 31, 2017, 02:35:45 PM
Anyways,
So a few comments:
I think the issue comes in when folks still feel like their opinion is infallible. I think that's a major issue/falsehood in general. If your opinion is rooted in denigrating, abusing, devaluing, or dehumanizing individuals or groups of people, it's a shit opinion and it needs to be checked.
There are white people out here who feel blacks are lazy, no-good, uneducated ass beings beneath them right? Do we just chuck that up as your opinion is your opinion! lolz. No, because we know that's bullshit.
I think people generally confuse opinions translating to actions/practices also. Just because you say okay I accept this, live your life doesn't mean it translates into you engaging in whatever THIS is. I think thats why so many ashy ass straight niggas still perform this willingly ignorant shit, because they feel that you have to reject everything or else it says something about what YOU do imo.
People also STILL come from this place of giving "straight" niggas the benefit of the doubt when it comes to trans women. Oh tricked! Deceived! Most these niggas are gay or bisexual and are using the same platforms to mess. Yall really think most of these trans women are getting plucked from the streets & catcalled? :dead: . People just dont allow for Black men to be more sexually expressive thats why people feel like there's deception and black men indulge in secrecy or go to extreme measures to protect their masculinity.
Ultimately if someone goes through a transitional surgery and prefers to be called/dubbed a woman then she's a fuckin woman. Now I understand why women who were born women would take issue with that. Im not trans nor am I a woman so that fight is between those groups.
Still not sure why science was brought up.
:oof: :oof: :oof: :oof: :oof:
bottom line is, its always a hoodrat that looks to be disrespectful with their opinion. Whether someone discloses their trans identity or not before a relationship starts is another story.
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:42:04 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:21:34 PM
Clearly you choose to physically mess/interact with the same sex and there is nothing wrong with doing so.
sexual attraction makes you gay?
It does not?
a lot of fags are fags before puberty and sexual attraction even happens :dead:
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
There's more to being a woman than throwing on a wig and getting a boob job. :omf:
xnxnnxnxnxnxxbxb
I agree
But one can't explain why they feel they are a woman anymore than another can explain why they like dick in the butt
Ask any of these fags why
:omf:
It's a mental illness :omf:
And claiming another gender is different from being attracted to the same sex :omf:
!!!!!
These girls are OWT of it.
ddddss
Oh so yall like mental health now?
Homosexuality was once classified as a psychological disorder. So was women having penis envy.
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
Quote from: Kurama on July 31, 2017, 02:35:45 PM
Anyways,
So a few comments:
I think the issue comes in when folks still feel like their opinion is infallible. I think that's a major issue/falsehood in general. If your opinion is rooted in denigrating, abusing, devaluing, or dehumanizing individuals or groups of people, it's a shit opinion and it needs to be checked.
There are white people out here who feel blacks are lazy, no-good, uneducated ass beings beneath them right? Do we just chuck that up as your opinion is your opinion! lolz. No, because we know that's bullshit.
!!!!
idk why its hard for ppl to und'stand this
im so sicka evrytime sumbody wanna call out blatant racism, homophobia & etc, they're called a SJW! omf new age! cnt tell em nuthin!
theres a difference 'tween opinions & bein blatant assholes
Almost every trans I've seen in a documentary argued they are trans because they liked things society conditioned us to believe belong to the other respective sex. They will in 90% of the cases argue that because they liked dolls, dresses and princesses growing up they must have been born in the wrong body.
This reinforces and perpetuates negative, regressive and harmful gender stereotypes and supports the notion that there is such thing as "innate female/male behavior". It also subordinates itself to a restrictive binary gender view. Young men and women no matter their behavior should learn to express their isms and identity with the body they were given and live in unisono with actual reality.
Lastly the suicude rate for "trans" ppl post or pre transition is the same. So transition is no solution of cure for ppl with non-gender conformative interests of behavior.
A world where gender isn't held to such importance is a world without trans. And that's the world I personally wanna move towards.
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:40:05 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 02:32:57 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:21:34 PM
There is no need to scientifically justify homosexual behavior.
So why is there a need to scientifically prove transgender? No one in here asked for scientific proof but u. U can't have it both ways. Being gay should be understood but being transgendered requires some irrefutable proof? Its stupid and what he said is still valid. U can't show scientific documentation stating the differences in a homosexual man vs a heterosexual man, chemical imbalances, etc. Yet u acknowledge it as someone's truth. So don't act like u require all this scientific explanation from a trans, it's hypocritical and silly
You can easily prove same sex attractions by checking penile erection or vaginal arousal.
f
So basically u have no scientific proof? Some people are weirdos and fck animals. So if someone's dick gets hard because they see an attractive dog walk by that's a sufficient explanation to that situation? People have tons of different kinks and get hard and wet for a multitude of reasons. That doesn't explain anything about their biology. Dont ask for scientific proof to prove some shit when there isn't science to prove ANY of this shit
Quote from: Kurama on July 31, 2017, 02:48:08 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
There's more to being a woman than throwing on a wig and getting a boob job. :omf:
xnxnnxnxnxnxxbxb
I agree
But one can't explain why they feel they are a woman anymore than another can explain why they like dick in the butt
Ask any of these fags why
:omf:
It's a mental illness :omf:
And claiming another gender is different from being attracted to the same sex :omf:
!!!!!
These girls are OWT of it.
ddddss
Oh so yall like mental health now?
Homosexuality was once classified as a psychological disorder. So was women having penis envy.
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
Well I'm glad they stopped treating the mess and gays can live medication and "therapy" free. Wish the same could be said for non-gender-conforming kids. No hormones, weaves or mess. Just let them boys be alternative boys.
:uhh:
Of course. Zoophilia and pedophilia etc are real. Stop mixing identity with orientation.
You should try comparing it to trans-racial or trans-age of trans-obese or idk. You see how ludicrous it sounds.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 02:52:12 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 02:47:28 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:42:04 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 02:34:16 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:21:34 PM
Clearly you choose to physically mess/interact with the same sex and there is nothing wrong with doing so.
sexual attraction makes you gay?
It does not?
a lot of fags are fags before puberty and sexual attraction even happens :dead:
!!!!!!!!!!!!
He sounds dumb imhfo
At that stage they aren't "gay". They are just kids. You can't know someone is gay for sure unless they hit puberty.
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:55:48 PM
:uhh:
Of course. Zoophilia and pedophilia etc are real.
So show me the scientific proof explaining all this mess. These are different types of people with different types of attractions from the norm. Where is the scientific proof on why this is so? There must be sumn explaining it. Clearly all this kinda shit has a rhyme or reason, correct? SHOW ME!
Dicks get hard and pussies get wet aint fckn cutting it as "proof", so show me NOW
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Are u slow? The fact that attraction exists is easily proven by checking genitalia and you can indubitably see sexual arousal in hormones etc.
The fact that a biological man/woman was born with a defect and must be physically altered to resemble a woman/man in order to survive or adequately live is not proven. Studies haven't shown that this form of treatment works for children who behave beyond gender norms. Like I said in many cases it results in regrets and suicide.
And at the end of the day transgender women still need to see a urologist and transgender men need to go to gynecologist. When it comes to medicine it's pretty fckn clear.
Again, stop mixing attraction with anatomy and identity.
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:54:04 PM
Quote from: Kurama on July 31, 2017, 02:48:08 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
There's more to being a woman than throwing on a wig and getting a boob job. :omf:
xnxnnxnxnxnxxbxb
I agree
But one can't explain why they feel they are a woman anymore than another can explain why they like dick in the butt
Ask any of these fags why
:omf:
It's a mental illness :omf:
And claiming another gender is different from being attracted to the same sex :omf:
!!!!!
These girls are OWT of it.
ddddss
Oh so yall like mental health now?
Homosexuality was once classified as a psychological disorder. So was women having penis envy.
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
Well I'm glad they stopped treating the mess and gays can live medication and "therapy" free. Wish the same could be said for non-gender-conforming kids. No hormones, weaves or mess. Just let them boys be alternative boys.
So essentially you feel better than because you dont take hormones or wear ensembles that are normally for women?
I know I personally feel better than you.
The way he has to deflect by putting words in my mouth. I don't want ppl risking their lives under surgery tables because they succumb to societal pressure. And if they do they should do it self-assured, with their own coin and as their own decision and not because them being "trans" forces them too. Kinda like a boob job. It's an esthetic surgery or an expression of style.
Insurance shouldn't cover it.
:hmph:
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 03:03:38 PM
Dicks get hard and pussies get wet aint fckn cutting it as "proof", so show me NOW
(http://www.bitchyf.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Latoya-Jackson-now-funny-nigga.gif)
omg
touch me
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 03:20:11 PM
The way he has to deflect by putting words in my mouth. I don't want ppl risking their lives under surgery tables because they succumb to societal pressure. And if they do they should do it self-assured, with their own coin and as their own decision and not because them being "trans" forces them too. Kinda like a boob job. It's an esthetic surgery or an expression of style.
Insurance shouldn't cover it.
:hmph:
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht
malc' alway stealin tha spotlight
sheesh
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 03:10:16 PM
Are u slow? The fact that attraction exists is easily proven by checking genitalia and you can indubitably see sexual arousal in hormones etc.
Are YOU slow? That's not scientific proof, idiot. U came in here asking for scientific proof for transgenders like everything else that relates to sexuality and sexual identity can be scientifically proven. So, what im gathering is there isn't any scientific proof to prove ANYTHING. Dont bring up scientific proof when none can be provided to explain any of this shit
Do you know what "scientific" means?
:hmph:
:guys:
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 03:20:11 PM
The way he has to deflect by putting words in my mouth. I don't want ppl risking their lives under surgery tables because they succumb to societal pressure. And if they do they should do it self-assured, with their own coin and as their own decision and not because them being "trans" forces them too. Kinda like a boob job. It's an esthetic surgery or an expression of style.
Insurance shouldn't cover it.
:hmph:
oh now wait Mack, You tipping on to something I've never thought of before.
I kinda see what you're driving at with this particular point
If they wake up and feel like a woman, then that's how you feel. Shouldn't have to change yourself to fit societies standards of what a woman is.
Did you bring up cancer patients who have their breasts chopped off. They are still women too.
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 03:20:11 PM
1.The way he has to deflect by putting words in my mouth.
2. I don't want ppl risking their lives under surgery tables
3.because they succumb to societal pressure.
4.And if they do they should do it self-assured, with their own coin and as their own decision and not because them being "trans" forces them too. Kinda like a boob job.
5. It's an esthetic surgery or an expression of style.
Insurance shouldn't cover it.
:hmph:
1. It's kinda hard to discern what it is ur actually talking about so I really dont have much of a choice
2. That's not your decision to make.
3. Interesting coming from you, especially considering that you can't seem to apply this to your own life and yet you feel confident enough to speak and make decisions for others????
4. ??? Now you're a politician? Are u balancing all aspects of the fiscal budget in your place of residence?
5. You just reduced someone's identity and the work they have done on their bodies to align physical with mental to a style....
Keep watching those youtube vids I think there are a few things you can still learn from love.
Maybe we have diverging definitions of "scientific" cause
:damselindistress:
"Science" tells you that you have the unwavering urge to go impregnate women and procreate...
the fuck happened?
Quote from: Kurama on July 31, 2017, 03:26:41 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 03:20:11 PM
1.The way he has to deflect by putting words in my mouth.
2. I don't want ppl risking their lives under surgery tables
3.because they succumb to societal pressure.
4.And if they do they should do it self-assured, with their own coin and as their own decision and not because them being "trans" forces them too. Kinda like a boob job.
5. It's an esthetic surgery or an expression of style.
Insurance shouldn't cover it.
:hmph:
1. It's kinda hard to discern what it is ur actually talking about so I really dont have much of a choice
2. That's not your decision to make.
3. Interesting coming from you, especially considering that you can't seem to apply this to your own life and yet you feel confident enough to speak and make decisions for others????
4. ??? Now you're a politician? Are u balancing all aspects of the fiscal budget in your place of residence?
5. You just reduced someone's identity and the work they have done on their bodies to align physical with mental to a style....
Keep watching those youtube vids I think there are a few things you can still learn from love.
n
These allegations and the emptiness in your comebacks...
Trans surgery and liposuction shouldn't be treated differently. Period. Gender and sex shouldn't be defined beyond anatomy and biology. Period. Ppl who are 18 can do what they want with their body, but not everyone needs to buy their delusion. Period.
c
Good luck hun.
d
Y'all still engage Malcolm on these kind of topics?
:ummwhat:
Quote from: Kurama on July 31, 2017, 03:30:35 PM
"Science" tells you that you have the unwavering urge to go impregnate women and procreate...
the fuck happened?
N
Quote from: ANIMMAI on July 31, 2017, 03:36:33 PM
d
Y'all still engage Malcolm on these kind of topics?
:ummwhat:
True. I'm done
Quote from: ANIMMAI on July 31, 2017, 03:36:33 PM
d
Y'all still engage Malcolm on these kind of topics?
:ummwhat:
Quote from: ANIMMAI on July 31, 2017, 03:36:33 PM
d
Y'all still engage Malcolm on these kind of topics?
:ummwhat:
I was bored
:mmywheresddy:
:letsmessfag:
You better be. Doesn't know shit about gender/sex etc but opens their mouth. Bre better HUSH too! SJW self.
:letsmessfag:
f
https://www.instagram.com/p/BW_8l4BDfUB/
c
Quote from: ANIMMAI on July 31, 2017, 03:42:10 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BW_8l4BDfUB/
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
Quote from: Kurama on July 31, 2017, 03:30:35 PM
"Science" tells you that you have the unwavering urge to go impregnate women and procreate...
the fuck happened?
:kii:
woo! So glad Bre shut Malcom's rambling ass up! :feelinmyself:
T
Quote from: Kurama on July 31, 2017, 02:48:08 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
There's more to being a woman than throwing on a wig and getting a boob job. :omf:
xnxnnxnxnxnxxbxb
I agree
But one can't explain why they feel they are a woman anymore than another can explain why they like dick in the butt
Ask any of these fags why
:omf:
It's a mental illness :omf:
And claiming another gender is different from being attracted to the same sex :omf:
!!!!!
These girls are OWT of it.
ddddss
Oh so yall like mental health now?
Homosexuality was once classified as a psychological disorder. So was women having penis envy.
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
n
Trannys will never be normal luv. Deal with it. And they all secretly hate themselves.
:caramelapple:
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 04:23:53 PM
Quote from: Kurama on July 31, 2017, 02:48:08 PM
Quote from: Usher has Herpes on July 31, 2017, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
There's more to being a woman than throwing on a wig and getting a boob job. :omf:
xnxnnxnxnxnxxbxb
I agree
But one can't explain why they feel they are a woman anymore than another can explain why they like dick in the butt
Ask any of these fags why
:omf:
It's a mental illness :omf:
And claiming another gender is different from being attracted to the same sex :omf:
!!!!!
These girls are OWT of it.
ddddss
Oh so yall like mental health now?
Homosexuality was once classified as a psychological disorder. So was women having penis envy.
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
n
Trannys will never be normal luv.
b
The girls thought the about women, minorities, and gays
Well, look at them now
In office and on your TV screens
:omf:
:omf:
'man wtf
:guys:
wat IS normals tho?...
..do anyone rlly kno...
...can we rlly evr rlly kno wat normals is...
Why did I think this thread was about Janet jackson getting mocked on the breakfast club
Quote from: BrandySavedMyLife on July 31, 2017, 05:17:56 PM
Why did I think this thread was about Janet jackson getting mocked on the breakfast club
Good question. Why did u?
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Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 05:19:53 PM
Quote from: BrandySavedMyLife on July 31, 2017, 05:17:56 PM
Why did I think this thread was about Janet jackson getting mocked on the breakfast club
Good question. Why did u?
oh gur
Quote from: BrandySavedMyLife on July 31, 2017, 05:24:49 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on July 31, 2017, 05:19:53 PM
Quote from: BrandySavedMyLife on July 31, 2017, 05:17:56 PM
Why did I think this thread was about Janet jackson getting mocked on the breakfast club
Good question. Why did u?
oh gur
:kii: :kii: that's one of the slow members bby luv
Ignore that
s
f
n
s
reclaiming my time
I'm convinced bre and ton' are trannys :omf:
Quote from: Kurama on July 31, 2017, 02:35:45 PM
Anyways,
So a few comments:
I think the issue comes in when folks still feel like their opinion is infallible. I think that's a major issue/falsehood in general. If your opinion is rooted in denigrating, abusing, devaluing, or dehumanizing individuals or groups of people, it's a shit opinion and it needs to be checked.
There are white people out here who feel blacks are lazy, no-good, uneducated ass beings beneath them right? Do we just chuck that up as your opinion is your opinion! lolz. No, because we know that's bullshit.
I think people generally confuse opinions translating to actions/practices also. Just because you say okay I accept this, live your life doesn't mean it translates into you engaging in whatever THIS is. I think thats why so many ashy ass straight niggas still perform this willingly ignorant shit, because they feel that you have to reject everything or else it says something about what YOU do imo.
People also STILL come from this place of giving "straight" niggas the benefit of the doubt when it comes to trans women. Oh tricked! Deceived! Most these niggas are gay or bisexual and are using the same platforms to mess. Yall really think most of these trans women are getting plucked from the streets & catcalled? :dead: . People just dont allow for Black men to be more sexually expressive thats why people feel like there's deception and black men indulge in secrecy or go to extreme measures to protect their masculinity.
Ultimately if someone goes through a transitional surgery and prefers to be called/dubbed a woman then she's a fuckin woman. Now I understand why women who were born women would take issue with that. Im not trans nor am I a woman so that fight is between those groups.
Still not sure why science was brought up.
/
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 07:13:21 PM
Quote from: Kurama on July 31, 2017, 02:35:45 PM
Anyways,
So a few comments:
I think the issue comes in when folks still feel like their opinion is infallible. I think that's a major issue/falsehood in general. If your opinion is rooted in denigrating, abusing, devaluing, or dehumanizing individuals or groups of people, it's a shit opinion and it needs to be checked.
There are white people out here who feel blacks are lazy, no-good, uneducated ass beings beneath them right? Do we just chuck that up as your opinion is your opinion! lolz. No, because we know that's bullshit.
I think people generally confuse opinions translating to actions/practices also. Just because you say okay I accept this, live your life doesn't mean it translates into you engaging in whatever THIS is. I think thats why so many ashy ass straight niggas still perform this willingly ignorant shit, because they feel that you have to reject everything or else it says something about what YOU do imo.
People also STILL come from this place of giving "straight" niggas the benefit of the doubt when it comes to trans women. Oh tricked! Deceived! Most these niggas are gay or bisexual and are using the same platforms to mess. Yall really think most of these trans women are getting plucked from the streets & catcalled? :dead: . People just dont allow for Black men to be more sexually expressive thats why people feel like there's deception and black men indulge in secrecy or go to extreme measures to protect their masculinity.
Ultimately if someone goes through a transitional surgery and prefers to be called/dubbed a woman then she's a fuckin woman. Now I understand why women who were born women would take issue with that. Im not trans nor am I a woman so that fight is between those groups.
Still not sure why science was brought up.
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I mean I dunno
I guess I can kinda see why women would be offended with men running around in wigs demanding to be called women by everyone
It's taking a lot of liberties imo, but I'm not trans so ...
Quote from: ORORO MUNROE-UDAKU on July 31, 2017, 07:19:16 PM
I mean I dunno
I guess I can kinda see why women would be offended with men running around in wigs demanding to be called women by everyone
It's taking a lot of liberties imo, but I'm not trans so ...
right like tf
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This is truly a man's world
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Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 07:21:56 PM
This is truly a man's world
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Not us starting to be better women than y'all as well. nnn
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It smells like shitty Filas in this bitch.
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My mother has been molesting me since I could walk!
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Literally no one should care wtf a Lil duval thinks
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This is the most attention his ugly ass will ever have
Quote from: ORORO MUNROE-UDAKU on July 31, 2017, 07:19:16 PM
I mean I dunno
I guess I can kinda see why women would be offended with men running around in wigs demanding to be called women by everyone
It's taking a lot of liberties imo, but I'm not trans so ...
I definitely understand and agree. I get how a woman can feel insulted with the discrimination they face and honestly I'm not saying they're wrong
But it doesn't mean the trans girls should be disregarded.
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:41:31 PM
Quote from: LORD GRAND SUPREME PRIME CELESTIAL MARSHALL on July 31, 2017, 01:38:08 PM
Quote from: element on July 31, 2017, 01:33:45 PM
There's more to being a woman than throwing on a wig and getting a boob job. :omf:
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I agree
But one can't explain why they feel they are a woman anymore than another can explain why they like dick in the butt
Ask any of these fags why
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It's a mental illness :omf:
And claiming another gender is different from being attracted to the same sex :omf:
rbrnffn what the ...