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Title: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: yummy on July 16, 2018, 07:54:29 PM
I've always heard white people say shit like "black people sold other black people!!!11111" but to see it being explained by the descendants of the people who actually did it is...a lot

QuoteDown the hill, near the river, in an area now overrun by bush, is the grave of my most celebrated ancestor: my great-grandfather Nwaubani Ogogo Oriaku. Nwaubani Ogogo was a slave trader who gained power and wealth by selling other Africans across the Atlantic. ?He was a renowned trader,? my father told me proudly. ?He dealt in palm produce and human beings.?

QuoteWhen the transatlantic trade began, in the fifteenth century, the demand for slaves spiked. Igbo traders began kidnapping people from distant villages. Sometimes a family would sell off a disgraced relative, a practice that Ijoma Okoro, a professor of Igbo history at the University of Nigeria, Nsukka, likens to the shipping of British convicts to the penal colonies in Australia: ?People would say, ?Let them go. I don?t want to see them again.? ?

QuoteMy great-grandfather was given the nickname Nwaubani, which means ?from the Bonny port region,? because he had the bright skin and healthy appearance associated at the time with people who lived near the coast and had access to rich foreign foods. (This became our family name.) In the late nineteenth century, he carried a slave-trading license from the Royal Niger Company, an English corporation that ruled southern Nigeria. His agents captured slaves across the region and passed them to middlemen, who brought them to the ports of Bonny and Calabar and sold them to white merchants. Slavery had already been abolished in the United States and the United Kingdom, but his slaves were legally shipped to Cuba and Brazil.

QuoteHis influence drew the attention of colonial officials, who appointed him chief of Umujieze and several other towns. He presided over court cases and set up churches and schools. He built a guesthouse on the land where my parents? home now stands, and hosted British dignitaries. To inform him of their impending arrival and verify their identities, guests sent him envelopes containing locks of their Caucasian hair.

SDFHDJMNDBCNNNNMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

but anyway...

QuoteThroughout my upbringing, my relatives gleefully recounted Nwaubani Ogogo?s exploits. When I was about eight, my father took me to see the row of ugba trees where Nwaubani Ogogo kept his slaves chained up.

QuoteAfter the man left, my father sat in his favorite armchair, among a group of his grandchildren, and told stories about Nwaubani Ogogo.

?Are you not ashamed of what he did?? I asked.

?I can never be ashamed of him,? he said, irritated. ?Why should I be? His business was legitimate at the time. He was respected by everyone around.? My father is a lawyer and a human-rights activist who has spent much of his life challenging government abuses in southeast Nigeria. He sometimes had to flee our home to avoid being arrested. But his pride in his family was unwavering. ?Not everyone could summon the courage to be a slave trader,? he said. ?You had to have some boldness in you.?

:uhh:

QuoteAfrican intellectuals tend to blame the West for the slave trade, but I knew that white traders couldn?t have loaded their ships without help from Africans like my great-grandfather. I read arguments for paying reparations to the descendants of American slaves and wondered whether someone might soon expect my family to contribute.

the whole thing is a long read but certainly worth it

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/my-great-grandfather-the-nigerian-slave-trader
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on July 16, 2018, 07:57:04 PM
Yeah....

Black people have been fucked UP

It's why I maintain death to EVERYONE
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: 🦚 on July 16, 2018, 08:14:25 PM
I?ll remain skeptical. White ppl love to rewrite history and make themselves look less guilty

Went willingly! Sold by their own kind! Betrayed!

Sure their guns had nothing to do with it.

It?s a distraction and there?s no sufficient proof. It?s the old version of everytime a white cop guns down a black person. Oh but black on black crime!

It?s funny they don?t try any of these theories with the Asian salves they transported across South America and the islands.

Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: FlowerBomb on July 17, 2018, 03:31:06 AM
Not WEST AFRICANS, don?t put that on us, blame the Nigerian chiefs
And of course it would be the Nigerians  :dead:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Mariah4ever on July 17, 2018, 03:36:52 AM
im startin' to b'lieve tht theory tht b'fore this world...there was anothr where black skinned ppl ruled...& fell........................
.

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...
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Kurama on July 17, 2018, 09:30:27 AM
Struggling with this.

Humans are SHIT.
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Cartierline on July 17, 2018, 09:32:02 AM
fkjkdjgd of course it's the Igbos that engaged in this shit

Yorubas would never
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on July 17, 2018, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: Sl?iz Richie on July 16, 2018, 08:14:25 PM
I?ll remain skeptical. White ppl love to rewrite history and make themselves look less guilty

!!!!!!!!

I do agree

But humans are... humans

TRASH

Plus my dad told me he witnessed this shit while traveling  :dead: :dead: :dead:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Barbie Dangerous on July 17, 2018, 10:04:10 AM
Quote from: ton on July 17, 2018, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: Sl?iz Richie on July 16, 2018, 08:14:25 PM
I?ll remain skeptical. White ppl love to rewrite history and make themselves look less guilty

!!!!!!!!

I do agree

But humans are... humans

TRASH

Plus my dad told me he witnessed this shit while traveling  :dead: :dead: :dead:
Your dad was a slave? :uhh:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: FlowerBomb on July 17, 2018, 10:04:42 AM
 :ummwhat:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: FlowerBomb on July 17, 2018, 10:05:05 AM
lash this BITCH ton
like....
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on July 17, 2018, 10:05:28 AM
But truthfully I dont trust ANYTHING from history that deals with anything in the social aspect

Books were all written by whites and they are disgusting creatures (sorry girls i love that are white, but yeah your kind caused every single major problem ever lol!)

I only trust science, which of course is also not 100% failproof

But, we have to put our faith in something.
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on July 17, 2018, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: BowDown on July 17, 2018, 10:04:10 AM
Quote from: ton on July 17, 2018, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: Sl?iz Richie on July 16, 2018, 08:14:25 PM
I?ll remain skeptical. White ppl love to rewrite history and make themselves look less guilty

!!!!!!!!

I do agree

But humans are... humans

TRASH

Plus my dad told me he witnessed this shit while traveling  :dead: :dead: :dead:
Your dad was a slave? :uhh:
you stupid BITCH

my dad IS from Africa

Why cant you fucking comprehend?

Maybe the girls were right when they said you were trolling

have you not heard of modern day slavery?

Shut the FUCK UP

or just DIE

STOP QUOTING ME

I can only take so much STUPIDITY in increments you dumb FAKE WOMAN BITCH

Stop pretending to be a white clueless womuh and come out as the FAGGOT that you are

I swear to god, I will infiltrate this fucking website and find your info bitch

DONT FUCK with me
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on July 17, 2018, 10:07:56 AM
you're BACK on steevys level bitch

no more kii kii hehe hahaing with you

youre done.
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Cartierline on July 17, 2018, 10:09:16 AM
fkdjfkdjfdk ton has HAD it!
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Barbie Dangerous on July 17, 2018, 10:09:22 AM
It wasn?t a serious question. Keep following behind Jayden?s dumbass if you want.

:rudone:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on July 17, 2018, 10:09:38 AM
FUCK OFF.
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on July 17, 2018, 10:10:43 AM
bow i swear to god bitch

im in ci mode

dont fuck with me or ill revert to my immature days and stalk you for months

i dont give a fuck about legalities

Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Barbie Dangerous on July 17, 2018, 10:11:27 AM
 :ummwhat:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Cartierline on July 17, 2018, 10:12:14 AM
Quote from: ton on July 17, 2018, 10:10:43 AM
bow i swear to god bitch

im in ci mode

dont fuck with me or ill revert to my immature days and stalk you for months

i dont give a fuck about legalities


do it king lolz
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Barbie Dangerous on July 17, 2018, 10:16:33 AM
Quote from: Cartier on July 17, 2018, 10:12:14 AM
Quote from: ton on July 17, 2018, 10:10:43 AM
bow i swear to god bitch

im in ci mode

dont fuck with me or ill revert to my immature days and stalk you for months

i dont give a fuck about legalities


do it king lolz
:nowgorl:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on July 17, 2018, 10:16:44 AM
sDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

im fine

back to the topic

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Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Hatsumomo on July 17, 2018, 10:20:52 AM
Quote from: ton on July 17, 2018, 10:07:56 AM
you're BACK on steevys level bitch

no more kii kii hehe hahaing with you

youre done.

n
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Hatsumomo on July 17, 2018, 10:21:09 AM
the gerls are so hateful today
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Cartierline on July 17, 2018, 10:26:17 AM
Quote from: BowDown on July 17, 2018, 10:16:33 AM
Quote from: Cartier on July 17, 2018, 10:12:14 AM
Quote from: ton on July 17, 2018, 10:10:43 AM
bow i swear to god bitch

im in ci mode

dont fuck with me or ill revert to my immature days and stalk you for months

i dont give a fuck about legalities


do it king lolz
:nowgorl:


what bitch?


:hmph:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: yummy on July 17, 2018, 10:45:09 AM
Quote from: ton on July 17, 2018, 10:05:28 AM
But truthfully I dont trust ANYTHING from history that deals with anything in the social aspect

Books were all written by whites and they are disgusting creatures (sorry girls i love that are white, but yeah your kind caused every single major problem ever lol!)

I only trust science, which of course is also not 100% failproof

But, we have to put our faith in something.

This article in particular was written by a woman who was the great granddaughter of a slave trader, all her information was mostly passed down by generations.
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on July 17, 2018, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: ANIMMAI on July 17, 2018, 10:45:09 AM
Quote from: ton on July 17, 2018, 10:05:28 AM
But truthfully I dont trust ANYTHING from history that deals with anything in the social aspect

Books were all written by whites and they are disgusting creatures (sorry girls i love that are white, but yeah your kind caused every single major problem ever lol!)

I only trust science, which of course is also not 100% failproof

But, we have to put our faith in something.

This article in particular was written by a woman who was the great granddaughter of a slave trader, all her information was mostly passed down by generations.
I'm not saying I doubt this article in particular, I just always have mixed feelings when some articles comes out about blacks being as EVIL as whites

Because, I refuse to believe we're anything like them. But I know for a fact that blacks sold slaves though. Because ultimately we're human.  :dead:

Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Kurama on July 17, 2018, 10:54:43 AM
:unsure:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Barbie Dangerous on July 17, 2018, 11:06:27 AM
Quote from: ambiguous on July 17, 2018, 10:57:35 AM
I think it's hard for us to really take in that idea as Black Americans because we move as a unit here.

When I see another Black person - especially in a space where it's predominately White (like my job), it automatically feels as if I have family around. Someone I can relate to, chat with, make lil jokes that only he and I would understand, etc. Even without SAYING anything, you feel there's some sort of connection. We  here >><< . I literally feel like these are my brothers and sisters.

So I get why it's hard for us to stomach Black people "betraying" other Blacks.
It might be different in that part of Africa since they are the majority..
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Nine on July 17, 2018, 11:10:56 AM
Quote from: ton on July 17, 2018, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: BowDown on July 17, 2018, 10:04:10 AM
Quote from: ton on July 17, 2018, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: Sl?iz Richie on July 16, 2018, 08:14:25 PM
I?ll remain skeptical. White ppl love to rewrite history and make themselves look less guilty

!!!!!!!!

I do agree

But humans are... humans

TRASH

Plus my dad told me he witnessed this shit while traveling  :dead: :dead: :dead:
Your dad was a slave? :uhh:
you stupid BITCH

my dad IS from Africa

Why cant you fucking comprehend?

Maybe the girls were right when they said you were trolling

have you not heard of modern day slavery?

Shut the FUCK UP

or just DIE

STOP QUOTING ME

I can only take so much STUPIDITY in increments you dumb FAKE WOMAN BITCH

Stop pretending to be a white clueless womuh and come out as the FAGGOT that you are

I swear to god, I will infiltrate this fucking website and find your info bitch

DONT FUCK with me
ADKDANDSASDNJKASDNJKSDAJNASNJANJASASSASAADSAS

:omgwatshappening: :guys: (https://image.ibb.co/jWkq7J/000000000000000000000000000000yj.png)
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Nine on July 17, 2018, 11:12:29 AM
Some really interesting stuff in here
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Barbie Dangerous on July 17, 2018, 11:22:09 AM
Quote from: ambiguous on July 17, 2018, 11:13:31 AM
Quote from: BowDown on July 17, 2018, 11:06:27 AM
Quote from: ambiguous on July 17, 2018, 10:57:35 AM
I think it's hard for us to really take in that idea as Black Americans because we move as a unit here.

When I see another Black person - especially in a space where it's predominately White (like my job), it automatically feels as if I have family around. Someone I can relate to, chat with, make lil jokes that only he and I would understand, etc. Even without SAYING anything, you feel there's some sort of connection. We  here >><< . I literally feel like these are my brothers and sisters.

So I get why it's hard for us to stomach Black people "betraying" other Blacks.
It might be different in that part of Africa since they are the majority..
:usureuok:

I'm not African (only of African descent - so I'm not trying to speak for them), but in general I see that they embrace the differences among one another when it comes to their tribes , groups, etc. It's not just one big "We all Black!" thing. Regardless of whether it's West Africa or East Africa or wherever.

Some of them will look at you like you're crazy if you call them Black. And that's not because they hate themselves, but because they identify with their tribe/group - not some label slapped onto them based on their "race".
I?m saying it may have been different/might still be for blacks in that area of Africa. The comradery between blacks in America may be based off of oppression and the familiarity is comforting. Over there, blacks are the majority so I?m sure they thought of many ways to separate themselves from each other..
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Sinpool on July 17, 2018, 11:42:28 AM
This was trash of them, but it's also out of context and forcing our way of seeing history on people who don't see it the same way.

Race wasn't a thing then so when people say Africans were selling their brothers they're basically trying to make it seem like black people we're savages with no loyalty, but like this says Africans we're selling prisoners and disgraced members of their family.

the problem is people try to rewrite history to make the Africans look like evil backstabbers, but in reality this is how the world worked. A perfect example is Australia's existence and the Irish slaves people love to bring up all the time. White people brought them there.

The problem with the Trans Atlantic slave trade is white people created race and made it so black people were inherently slaves. Africans didn't know they we're selling their race into slavery because to them and the rest of the world there was no such thing as black and white or race in general, just humans.

That's why when white people stepped on the Americas Native Americans didn't have problems making a Marvel team up with them to snatch the Aztecs and Incas. The biggest factory is White people we're just the most sinister group by creating the label of white people because before then a Greek or a Roman would be disgusted by the idea.
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Kurama on July 17, 2018, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: LoveHappy on July 17, 2018, 11:42:28 AM
This was trash of them, but it's also out of context and forcing our way of seeing history on people who don't see it the same way.

Race wasn't a thing then so when people say Africans were selling their brothers they're basically trying to make it seem like black people we're savages with no loyalty, but like this says Africans we're selling prisoners and disgraced members of their family.

the problem is people try to rewrite history to make the Africans look like evil backstabbers, but in reality this is how the world worked. A perfect example is Australia's existence and the Irish slaves people love to bring up all the time. White people brought them there.

The problem with the Trans Atlantic slave trade is white people created race and made it so black people were inherently slaves. Africans didn't know they we're selling their race into slavery because to them and the rest of the world there was no such thing as black and white or race in general, just humans.

That's why when white people stepped on the Americas Native Americans didn't have problems making a Marvel team up with them to snatch the Aztecs and Incas. The biggest factory is White people we're just the most sinister group by creating the label of white people because before then a Greek or a Roman would be disgusted by the idea.

Great point, makes me feel a lil better :unsure:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: FlowerBomb on July 17, 2018, 11:44:32 AM
 :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: FlowerBomb on July 17, 2018, 11:50:02 AM
Quote from: ton on July 17, 2018, 10:07:20 AM
Quote from: BowDown on July 17, 2018, 10:04:10 AM
Quote from: ton on July 17, 2018, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: Sl?iz Richie on July 16, 2018, 08:14:25 PM
I?ll remain skeptical. White ppl love to rewrite history and make themselves look less guilty

!!!!!!!!

I do agree

But humans are... humans

TRASH

Plus my dad told me he witnessed this shit while traveling  :dead: :dead: :dead:
Your dad was a slave? :uhh:
you stupid BITCH

my dad IS from Africa

Why cant you fucking comprehend?

Maybe the girls were right when they said you were trolling

have you not heard of modern day slavery?

Shut the FUCK UP

or just DIE

STOP QUOTING ME

I can only take so much STUPIDITY in increments you dumb FAKE WOMAN BITCH

Stop pretending to be a white clueless womuh and come out as the FAGGOT that you are

I swear to god, I will infiltrate this fucking website and find your info bitch

DONT FUCK with me
:dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Kalifornia. on July 17, 2018, 11:55:32 AM
Quote from: BowDown on July 17, 2018, 10:04:10 AM
Quote from: ton on July 17, 2018, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: Sl?iz Richie on July 16, 2018, 08:14:25 PM
I?ll remain skeptical. White ppl love to rewrite history and make themselves look less guilty

!!!!!!!!

I do agree

But humans are... humans

TRASH

Plus my dad told me he witnessed this shit while traveling  :dead: :dead: :dead:
Your dad was a slave? :uhh:

:dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :helloimangie:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: FlowerBomb on July 17, 2018, 12:01:23 PM
The only familial line that comes out of West Africa is my both my parents into the U.K, but I wonder if any of my great great grand people were taken
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on July 17, 2018, 12:01:59 PM
i fucked ur fine ass dad mayday
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on July 17, 2018, 12:02:05 PM
raw
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Kalifornia. on July 17, 2018, 12:03:28 PM
 :guys:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: FlowerBomb on July 17, 2018, 12:04:30 PM
and he fucked me afterwards
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Nine on July 17, 2018, 12:05:23 PM
Quote from: LoveHappy on July 17, 2018, 11:42:28 AM
This was trash of them, but it's also out of context and forcing our way of seeing history on people who don't see it the same way.

Race wasn't a thing then so when people say Africans were selling their brothers they're basically trying to make it seem like black people we're savages with no loyalty, but like this says Africans we're selling prisoners and disgraced members of their family.

the problem is people try to rewrite history to make the Africans look like evil backstabbers, but in reality this is how the world worked. A perfect example is Australia's existence and the Irish slaves people love to bring up all the time. White people brought them there.

The problem with the Trans Atlantic slave trade is white people created race and made it so black people were inherently slaves. Africans didn't know they we're selling their race into slavery because to them and the rest of the world there was no such thing as black and white or race in general, just humans.

That's why when white people stepped on the Americas Native Americans didn't have problems making a Marvel team up with them to snatch the Aztecs and Incas. The biggest factory is White people we're just the most sinister group by creating the label of white people because before then a Greek or a Roman would be disgusted by the idea.
:ohwow: :howfestive:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Sinpool on July 17, 2018, 12:06:13 PM
getting very...West African in here
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: GRAND ETERNAL SUPREME on July 17, 2018, 12:11:56 PM
does that mean an african prince is going to give me 10% of a million if i give him my bank info?
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: FlowerBomb on July 17, 2018, 12:12:31 PM
hell
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Cartierline on July 17, 2018, 12:13:33 PM
Quote from: ton on July 17, 2018, 12:11:56 PM
does that mean an african prince is going to give me 10% of a million if i give him my bank info?


that african prince is me so sift your details luv


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Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Sinpool on July 17, 2018, 12:14:33 PM
My Familial line that came out of West Africa is my Dominican and Brazilian parents that came to the US.

I think they were Cape Verdan and Angolan with a pinch of Khoisan.
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: yummy on July 17, 2018, 12:18:38 PM
Quote from: LoveHappy on July 17, 2018, 11:42:28 AM
This was trash of them, but it's also out of context and forcing our way of seeing history on people who don't see it the same way.

Race wasn't a thing then so when people say Africans were selling their brothers they're basically trying to make it seem like black people we're savages with no loyalty, but like this says Africans we're selling prisoners and disgraced members of their family.

the problem is people try to rewrite history to make the Africans look like evil backstabbers, but in reality this is how the world worked. A perfect example is Australia's existence and the Irish slaves people love to bring up all the time. White people brought them there.

The problem with the Trans Atlantic slave trade is white people created race and made it so black people were inherently slaves. Africans didn't know they we're selling their race into slavery because to them and the rest of the world there was no such thing as black and white or race in general, just humans.

That's why when white people stepped on the Americas Native Americans didn't have problems making a Marvel team up with them to snatch the Aztecs and Incas. The biggest factory is White people we're just the most sinister group by creating the label of white people because before then a Greek or a Roman would be disgusted by the idea.

:ermm:

I think it?s somewhat irresponsible to absolve West Africans of all accountability for what they were doing. The slave trade was not only a system built on race, but one driven by capitalism. Many African kingdoms still dabbled in slave trading even after it was criminalized and built wealthy empires off the backs of the market.
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Kurama on July 17, 2018, 12:20:46 PM
Quote from: ANIMMAI on July 17, 2018, 12:18:38 PM
Quote from: LoveHappy on July 17, 2018, 11:42:28 AM
This was trash of them, but it's also out of context and forcing our way of seeing history on people who don't see it the same way.

Race wasn't a thing then so when people say Africans were selling their brothers they're basically trying to make it seem like black people we're savages with no loyalty, but like this says Africans we're selling prisoners and disgraced members of their family.

the problem is people try to rewrite history to make the Africans look like evil backstabbers, but in reality this is how the world worked. A perfect example is Australia's existence and the Irish slaves people love to bring up all the time. White people brought them there.

The problem with the Trans Atlantic slave trade is white people created race and made it so black people were inherently slaves. Africans didn't know they we're selling their race into slavery because to them and the rest of the world there was no such thing as black and white or race in general, just humans.

That's why when white people stepped on the Americas Native Americans didn't have problems making a Marvel team up with them to snatch the Aztecs and Incas. The biggest factory is White people we're just the most sinister group by creating the label of white people because before then a Greek or a Roman would be disgusted by the idea.

:ermm:

I think it?s somewhat irresponsible to absolve West Africans of all accountability for what they were doing. The slave trade was not only a system built on race, but one driven by capitalism. Many African kingdoms still dabbled in slave trading even after it was criminalized and built wealthy empires off the backs of the market.
Fag I love when you forsake the sarcasm for a sec and get all scholarly :flamebroiled:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: yummy on July 17, 2018, 12:22:21 PM
But this whole thing speaks more to the notion that wealth is some sort of golden ticket out of oppression. These people proudly participated in the buying and selling of human flesh for capitalist gain and still ended up getting their own land colonized by some of the same Europeans they were doing business with.
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Barbie Dangerous on July 17, 2018, 12:24:03 PM
Quote from: ambiguous on July 17, 2018, 11:36:14 AM
And speaking of slavery -

I was having a conversation with someone the other day and they pointed out how they do NOT use the word "slaves" to reference our ancestors. She feels as if it dehumanizes them. She uses the term "enslaved people" instead. It really put a light bulb in my head . Like wow. I told her I was stealing that from her, so I wanted to give her credit since I finally used it. :dead:
That?s really great tbh. :uhh:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Sinpool on July 17, 2018, 12:24:36 PM
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mVxSwjgg9X4/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: yummy on July 17, 2018, 12:28:50 PM
vjabagafacga

FUCK BLACK PANTHER
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: LOONA. on July 17, 2018, 07:49:21 PM
Quote from: ANIMMAI on July 17, 2018, 12:22:21 PM
But this whole thing speaks more to the notion that wealth is some sort of golden ticket out of oppression. These people proudly participated in the buying and selling of human flesh for capitalist gain and still ended up getting their own land colonized by some of the same Europeans they were doing business with.

!!!

And yh...I believe they knew what they were doing.

All that shucking and jiving only to be stabbed in the back at the end anyway.

An Omorosa mess owt     

Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: MelMel on July 17, 2018, 08:06:13 PM
I can believe it. I know there was blacks that owned slaves here in America
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: MelMel on July 17, 2018, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: ambiguous on July 17, 2018, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: MelMel on July 17, 2018, 08:06:13 PM
I can believe it. I know there was blacks that owned slaves here in America
:guys:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theroot.com/did-black-people-own-slaves-1790895436/amp
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Barbie Dangerous on July 17, 2018, 08:58:34 PM
Quote from: ambiguous on July 17, 2018, 08:47:30 PM
Quote from: MelMel on July 17, 2018, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: ambiguous on July 17, 2018, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: MelMel on July 17, 2018, 08:06:13 PM
I can believe it. I know there was blacks that owned slaves here in America
:guys:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theroot.com/did-black-people-own-slaves-1790895436/amp
Yeah this is another thing that's rarely discussed.

But the flip side of it is that many of the Black slave owners purchased slaves in order to keep their families together, etc. They may have been free but their relatives may not have been - so if they didn't own them, someone else would have.

Then there were just flat out Black slave owners who just wanted some slaves. :cheerup:

At least based on what I've read. Could be a bit inaccurate.
:omgwatshappening:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: MelMel on July 17, 2018, 09:49:11 PM
Quote from: ambiguous on July 17, 2018, 08:47:30 PM
Quote from: MelMel on July 17, 2018, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: ambiguous on July 17, 2018, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: MelMel on July 17, 2018, 08:06:13 PM
I can believe it. I know there was blacks that owned slaves here in America
:guys:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theroot.com/did-black-people-own-slaves-1790895436/amp
Yeah this is another thing that's rarely discussed.

But the flip side of it is that many of the Black slave owners purchased slaves in order to keep their families together, etc. They may have been free but their relatives may not have been - so if they didn't own them, someone else would have.

Then there were just flat out Black slave owners who just wanted some slaves. :cheerup:

At least based on what I've read. Could be a bit inaccurate.
both are true
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Lane Bryant Jumpsuit on July 17, 2018, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: Guilty on July 17, 2018, 03:31:06 AM
Not WEST AFRICANS, don?t put that on us, blame the Nigerian chiefs
And of course it would be the Nigerians  :dead:
does it matter really
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Barbie Dangerous on July 17, 2018, 10:25:37 PM
Quote from: MelMel on July 17, 2018, 09:49:11 PM
Quote from: ambiguous on July 17, 2018, 08:47:30 PM
Quote from: MelMel on July 17, 2018, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: ambiguous on July 17, 2018, 08:32:28 PM
Quote from: MelMel on July 17, 2018, 08:06:13 PM
I can believe it. I know there was blacks that owned slaves here in America
:guys:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theroot.com/did-black-people-own-slaves-1790895436/amp
Yeah this is another thing that's rarely discussed.

But the flip side of it is that many of the Black slave owners purchased slaves in order to keep their families together, etc. They may have been free but their relatives may not have been - so if they didn't own them, someone else would have.

Then there were just flat out Black slave owners who just wanted some slaves. :cheerup:

At least based on what I've read. Could be a bit inaccurate.
both are true
Were the black slave owners only in certain states?
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: b7 on July 20, 2018, 06:23:38 AM
Terrible

but even articles like this don?t begin to really even scratch the surface on what slavery really was and how brutal it was. It went well beyond people simply working out in the heat picking cotton in extreme weather conditions and being sold for a pack of cigs or tomatoes
n

It was so much more evil than that
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: Mariah4ever on July 20, 2018, 06:24:57 AM
wakandans unite!
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: 'ology on July 20, 2018, 07:11:42 AM
Quote from: Guilty on July 17, 2018, 10:05:05 AM
lash this BITCH ton
like....
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Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: FlowerBomb on July 20, 2018, 07:35:20 AM
Quote from: SadiddyAzzNoLimitPlatinumCard on July 17, 2018, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: Guilty on July 17, 2018, 03:31:06 AM
Not WEST AFRICANS, don?t put that on us, blame the Nigerian chiefs
And of course it would be the Nigerians  :dead:
does it matter really
yes :uhh:
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: HUGO on July 20, 2018, 08:29:33 AM
Quote from: Guilty on July 17, 2018, 03:31:06 AM
Not WEST AFRICANS, don?t put that on us, blame the Nigerian chiefs
And of course it would be the Nigerians  :dead:

!!!! I started reading the names and I?m like well that figures. I?m Not fucking surprised
Title: Re: The role of West Africans in the slave trade
Post by: HUGO on July 20, 2018, 08:33:27 AM
Quote from: SadiddyAzzNoLimitPlatinumCard on July 17, 2018, 10:11:28 PM
Quote from: Guilty on July 17, 2018, 03:31:06 AM
Not WEST AFRICANS, don?t put that on us, blame the Nigerian chiefs
And of course it would be the Nigerians  :dead:
does it matter really

What kind of dumb ass question?  :uhh: