I've said this a million times, but pictures tend to be more helpful so here we go.
People go on and on about how AMAZING it is that Cardi that was able to secure a top HIT while staying "true to the hood", and then move to question "Hmm, Nicki why couldn't you?"
The answer is simple - hip hop rules in 2018. It is now the NUMBER ONE genre of music in America.
It did NOT rule in Nicki's prime.
Below you will find snapshots of top songs in the summer of 2010 (Katy Perry #1 with California Girls)
And summer of 2018 (Drake #1 with In My Feelings)
Do you notice the difference within the Top 10?
Summer 2010:
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/d931063660d4fa8a457186d93feef1c8/tumblr_pdn5hkLB2s1qfrpiko2_540.jpg)
Summer 2018:
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/5a5fb1a9371b3099f4e3ec86c88ed385/tumblr_pdn5hkLB2s1qfrpiko1_540.jpg)
Unless you're blind, you've probably noticed that one is not like the other.
Cardi is in a completely DIFFERENT era of music than Nicki was in. Making it almost impossible to fairly compare their runs in music.
Now, if Cardi were fighting against the reigns of Lady Gaga, Katy, Black Eyed Peas, Kesha, and others...then I'd see the point.
But she fits RIGHT into the top 10 of 2018.
Lemme see what we have here
(https://image.ibb.co/d8K8TK/tumblr_p9ee81_DHA91wjx0zxo1_250.gif)
Spell it tf out for em big cuz!!
(https://i.groupme.com/268x199.gif.b23f17bd4307429292532c77b7dc521b.large)
But that's what makes Nicki so genius.
sis was a lil black girl from Queens, with Foxy Brown as her main influence.
the rap gorls were basically in the unemployment line. Nicki created a lane and disguised rap lyrics in a pop song.
had the little white kids and their parents buying her songs and Kmart merch.
what a fuckin QUEEN
:blessed:
I love Nicki and I love Cardi but Nicki made the girls excited for female hip hop again. It was non-existent forever.
N watch them still not get it.
Bbbgghj
So I assume she'll be getting that #1 shortly, now that hip hop is back in the forefront, right?
Quote from: ChunLi. on August 18, 2018, 01:42:39 AM
N watch them still not get it.
Bbbgghj
I dont think anyone was ever confused about this. :dead:
TBH this is why she won't be going anywhere soon tho.
All popularity fades, its all in how you maneuver it.
can you imagine Cardi taking the heat Nicki takes on a daily? bbbbbbbbbbbbb
that weak bitch would be in an insane asylum.
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 01:44:55 AM
Quote from: Pearls Khan on August 18, 2018, 01:43:28 AM
Quote from: ChunLi. on August 18, 2018, 01:42:39 AM
N watch them still not get it.
Bbbgghj
I dont think anyone was ever confused about this. :dead:
Judging by the question you just asked, I'm not sure that you weren't confused, love.
It's all about when the artist is at their prime.
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 01:44:55 AM
Quote from: Pearls Khan on August 18, 2018, 01:43:28 AM
Quote from: ChunLi. on August 18, 2018, 01:42:39 AM
N watch them still not get it.
Bbbgghj
I dont think anyone was ever confused about this. :dead:
Judging by the question you just asked, I'm not sure that you weren't confused, love.
It's all about when the artist is at their prime.
Dont get slapped hun.
Y?all seem to forget that cardi is on her 1st album.
She?s the current hit girl in hip hop.
And not necessarily because she?s talented.
I think ppl love her personality more.
Even though her album was a bop.
There?s no depth to her.
She gon rap ratchet shit on all her albums.
Nicki can u give u ratchet and conscious lyrical songs.
Cardi however only can deliver something deep fried.
And if we're addressing her failure to get the top spot during her prime, this PowerPoint isnt helping either way seeing as how she released both urban and pop songs during said prime. And nothing made it to #1. Not to mention the slew of features she did for acts from urban to pop to reggae to electronic. Idk herb. Maybe I am confused here
a #1 isn't the end all be all. Aretha Franklin only had two in her long ass career.
s
Why isn't nicki prospering in the RAP era is what the question should be.
(https://i.imgur.com/Xmm0SSS.gif)
Pearls got dragged in here
Quote from: Knix on August 18, 2018, 02:00:07 AM
s
Why isn't nicki prospering in the RAP era is what the question should be.
(https://i.imgur.com/Xmm0SSS.gif)
Barbz answer: theres a hate campaign against her started by industry execs and executed by the public
Real answer: over the years she's turned off a large percentage of the people who used to support her with her insecurities, artistic choices, social media antics and lackluster material
Quote from: ChunLi. on August 18, 2018, 01:49:47 AM
Y?all seem to forget that cardi is on her 1st album.
She?s the current hit girl in hip hop.
And not necessarily because she?s talented.
I think ppl love her personality more.
Even though her album was a bop.
There?s no depth to her.
She gon rap ratchet shit on all her albums.
Nicki can u give u ratchet and conscious lyrical songs.
Cardi however only can deliver something deep fried.
d
Quote from: MelMel on August 18, 2018, 02:03:04 AM
Pearls got dragged in here
Drag yourself to an AA meeting
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 02:03:43 AM
Quote from: Knix on August 18, 2018, 02:00:07 AM
s
Why isn't nicki prospering in the RAP era is what the question should be.
(https://i.imgur.com/Xmm0SSS.gif)
And I already answered it.
like 3 times now.. lol
I give up
Quote from: fresh on August 18, 2018, 01:57:54 AM
a #1 isn't the end all be all. Aretha Franklin only had two in her long ass career.
And nickel has none
And dead at the faggot in the op
Acting like nickel didn?t pull out her glow stick and tried to fit in with the girls on the charts working with David Guetta, red one and dr luke. Producers behind many number 1 hits :plzstop:
Everytime I see those long incoherent rants I think about Bre swiftly clocking it and calling it WTF it is.
Quote from: Pearls Khan on August 18, 2018, 02:04:45 AM
Quote from: MelMel on August 18, 2018, 02:03:04 AM
Pearls got dragged in here
Drag yourself to an AA meeting
how about I drag my fists against that scalp
:cmerefag:
bbbbbbbbbbb
(https://i.imgur.com/Xmm0SSS.gif)
I still havent listened to Queen yet. Wanted to wait for the second week mess :justabit: It's crazy to think of how much of a STAN of hers I used to be :plzstop:
So whats tyga excuse?
He stayed true to himself Back then and released rack city when she released starships and he's still on the charts
This equal two things a hit record is a hit record and Nicki can't write hits...
Or she turned people off with the pop records and she's the new Nelly
Which one is it..?
Tyga has never, will never, can never be bigger than Nicki.
And isn't Nicki still on the charts? :uhh:
And tbh "Doo Wop" Had a more R&B vibe and less rap imo
Quote from: Pearls Khan on August 18, 2018, 01:42:40 AM
So I assume she'll be getting that #1 shortly, now that hip hop is back in the forefront, right?
Af's logic isn't matching with Nicki's Billboard Hot 100 History
Nicki has SEVEN Top 10 hits on the Hot 100 from her own discography:
Super Bass
Starships
Bang Bang
Anaconda
Only
Motorsport
Chun Li
4 are Urban, 3 are Pop
As a featured artist
Bedrock - 2 (2009)
Fefe - 3 (2018)
Bottoms up - 6 (2010)
Rake It Up - 8 (2017)
Make Me Proud - 9 (2011)
Dance (Ass) - 10 (2011)
Turn Me On - 4 (2011)
Give Me All Your Lovin - 10 (2011)
Beauty & The Beat - 5 (2012)
Hey Mama - 8 (2014)
Side To Side - 4 2016
6 are Urban, 5 are pop
And when you venture out into the Top 20
My Chick Bad - 11
Monster - 18
Girl On Fire
Down In The DM - 13
Big Bank - 16
Ball For Me - 16
Where Them Girls At - 14
6 are Urban, 1 is Pop
There's also Fly, Moment 4 Life, Your Love, Truffle Butter, Only, No Frauds etc...all Urban records that peaked in the Top 20
If you actually go through Nicki's Billboard history she has more Urban hits that have charted in the Top 10 & Top 20s than Pop hits. Af's narrative of her having to conform because Pop music dominated during her prime isn't true. She has a ton of disposable pop mess that charted poorly. :omf:
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 02:47:17 AM
Quote from: Pearls Khan on August 18, 2018, 01:42:40 AM
So I assume she'll be getting that #1 shortly, now that hip hop is back in the forefront, right?
Af's logic isn't matching with Nicki's Billboard Hot 100 History
Nicki has SEVEN Top 10 hits on the Hot 100 from her own discography:
Super Bass
Starships
Bang Bang
Anaconda
Only
Motorsport
Chun Li
4 are Urban, 3 are Pop
As a featured artist
Bedrock - 2 (2009)
Fefe - 3 (2018)
Bottoms up - 6 (2010)
Rake It Up - 8 (2017)
Make Me Proud - 9 (2011)
Dance (Ass) - 10 (2011)
Turn Me On - 4 (2011)
Give Me All Your Lovin - 10 (2011)
Beauty & The Beat - 5 (2012)
Hey Mama - 8 (2014)
Side To Side - 4 2016
6 are Urban, 5 are pop
And when you venture out into the Top 20
My Chick Bad - 11
Monster - 18
Girl On Fire
Down In The DM - 13
Big Bank - 16
Ball For Me - 16
Where Them Girls At - 14
6 are Urban, 1 is Pop
There's also Fly, Moment 4 Life, Your Love, Truffle Butter, Only, No Frauds etc...all Urban records that peaked in the Top 20
If you actually go through Nicki's Billboard history she has more Urban hits that have charted in the Top 10 & Top 20s than Pop hits. Af's narrative of her having to conform because Pop music dominated during her prime isn't true. She has a ton of disposable pop mess that charted poorly.
:omf:
:receipts:
I think this is offset by Nicki being the only active female rapper in the game for several years.
Quote from: whatever on August 18, 2018, 02:49:07 AM
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 02:47:17 AM
Quote from: Pearls Khan on August 18, 2018, 01:42:40 AM
So I assume she'll be getting that #1 shortly, now that hip hop is back in the forefront, right?
Af's logic isn't matching with Nicki's Billboard Hot 100 History
Nicki has SEVEN Top 10 hits on the Hot 100 from her own discography:
Super Bass
Starships
Bang Bang
Anaconda
Only
Motorsport
Chun Li
4 are Urban, 3 are Pop
As a featured artist
Bedrock - 2 (2009)
Fefe - 3 (2018)
Bottoms up - 6 (2010)
Rake It Up - 8 (2017)
Make Me Proud - 9 (2011)
Dance (Ass) - 10 (2011)
Turn Me On - 4 (2011)
Give Me All Your Lovin - 10 (2011)
Beauty & The Beat - 5 (2012)
Hey Mama - 8 (2014)
Side To Side - 4 2016
6 are Urban, 5 are pop
And when you venture out into the Top 20
My Chick Bad - 11
Monster - 18
Girl On Fire
Down In The DM - 13
Big Bank - 16
Ball For Me - 16
Where Them Girls At - 14
6 are Urban, 1 is Pop
There's also Fly, Moment 4 Life, Your Love, Truffle Butter, Only, No Frauds etc...all Urban records that peaked in the Top 20
If you actually go through Nicki's Billboard history she has more Urban hits that have charted in the Top 10 & Top 20s than Pop hits. Af's narrative of her having to conform because Pop music dominated during her prime isn't true. She has a ton of disposable pop mess that charted poorly.
:omf:
:receipts:
:dead:
Adele makes EDM/Katy Perry rejects?
You're not making any sense
There are songs that peak high and fall off the charts the next week just like there are songs that peak outside the Top 10, stabilize and go on to outsell records in the Top 10. Unless you're gonna compile a list of sales for these songs you screencapping random years of the Top 10 is pointless.
And Nicki has more Urban hits in her discography than Pop hits
Try a new excuse
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 01:23:46 AM
I've said this a million times, but pictures tend to be more helpful so here we go.
People go on and on about how AMAZING it is that Cardi that was able to secure a top HIT while staying "true to the hood", and then move to question "Hmm, Nicki why couldn't you?"
The answer is simple - hip hop rules in 2018. It is now the NUMBER ONE genre of music in America.
It did NOT rule in Nicki's prime.
Below you will find snapshots of top songs in the summer of 2010 (Katy Perry #1 with California Girls)
And summer of 2018 (Drake #1 with In My Feelings)
Do you notice the difference within the Top 10?
Summer 2010:
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/d931063660d4fa8a457186d93feef1c8/tumblr_pdn5hkLB2s1qfrpiko2_540.jpg)
Summer 2018:
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/5a5fb1a9371b3099f4e3ec86c88ed385/tumblr_pdn5hkLB2s1qfrpiko1_540.jpg)
Unless you're blind, you've probably noticed that one is not like the other.
Cardi is in a completely DIFFERENT era of music than Nicki was in. Making it almost impossible to fairly compare their runs in music.
Now, if Cardi were fighting against the reigns of Lady Gaga, Katy, Black Eyed Peas, Kesha, and others...then I'd see the point.
But she fits RIGHT into the top 10 of 2018.
then she needs to adjust to the times and get a hit if that?s what she wants, which it?s pretty clear that she does IMO.
Overall her music has been stuck and that?s the main issue outside of her features
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Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 01:44:24 AM
Quote from: Pearls Khan on August 18, 2018, 01:42:40 AM
So I assume she'll be getting that #1 shortly, now that hip hop is back in the forefront, right?
Was Michael Jackson getting #1's with his final release, although pop was still at the forefront?
Every artist has their prime .
i see ur point but she ain?t been around long enough for that comparison. she started popping in like 2010 and this is her 3rd real album. idk
Quote from: fresh on August 18, 2018, 01:45:46 AM
TBH this is why she won't be going anywhere soon tho.
All popularity fades, its all in how you maneuver it.
can you imagine Cardi taking the heat Nicki takes on a daily? bbbbbbbbbbbbb
that weak bitch would be in an insane asylum.
:dead: she does tho. people find new ways to come for Cardi?s neck on the daily
She just happens to be likable to a good chunk of the general public in a way that Nicki never really was
& isn't THIS her prime?
She's only 3 albums in :uhh: :dead:
Quote from: 1RIG on August 18, 2018, 03:04:08 AM
Quote from: fresh on August 18, 2018, 01:45:46 AM
TBH this is why she won't be going anywhere soon tho.
All popularity fades, its all in how you maneuver it.
can you imagine Cardi taking the heat Nicki takes on a daily? bbbbbbbbbbbbb
that weak bitch would be in an insane asylum.
:dead: she does tho. people find new ways to come for Cardi?s neck on the daily
She just happens to be likable to a good chunk of the general public in a way that Nicki never really was
!!
Does he not have the internet?
That's the main reason how we get to see her personality :dead:
Bankrupt and luped down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYgvXjtGcmg
An EDM song released in 2017
:kii:
They need RAPPERS like ME
They need RAPPERS like ME
So they can get on their FUCKING keyboards and make me BAD GUY
(https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/275101049234084563/8FACC5B12EAAB85AFC870241FF2DA55EE07D0DC5/)
Beyonc? never caved and made edm
She made her blackass album and took her lashings on the hot100 accordingly. And still moved those albums. :letsmessfag:
And dead at nickel in competition with Adele. Adele has never made an EDM song.
Nickel wanted to be Kesha and now she is :letsmessfag:
these excuses
:dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 03:13:18 AM
So yeah, Nicki was fighting toe to toe with a White womuh named Katy Perry, a White womuh named Adele (who gave Beyonce a very memorable SPEECH about how things are more easily handed to her, since her Whiteness clearly makes everything prettier to listen to), and some weird White dudes with a "Party Rock Anthem" song , during her prime.
It wasn't the same era of music. It just ... wasn't.
dfjbnfdjdd
They're barry Gordy's sons.
:plzstop: :plzstop:
Quote from: DidYouEvenKnowVersace? on August 18, 2018, 03:16:28 AM
these excuses
:dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:
That thing throwing in everything but the kitchen sink.
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 03:05:12 AM
Quote from: 1RIG on August 18, 2018, 03:02:37 AM
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 01:44:24 AM
Quote from: Pearls Khan on August 18, 2018, 01:42:40 AM
So I assume she'll be getting that #1 shortly, now that hip hop is back in the forefront, right?
Was Michael Jackson getting #1's with his final release, although pop was still at the forefront?
Every artist has their prime .
i see ur point but she ain?t been around long enough for that comparison. she started popping in like 2010 and this is her 3rd real album. idk
She has, actually.
Pop artists tend to have 8-10 years of relevance before they're tossed aside.
This is no shade at all, as this applies to MOST artists, but we know her best so I'm using her as an example.
Look at GHan. She started in 1994.
Afrodisiac was released in 2004. Where was she by this point in her career? At the top?
true, but, unlike Bran, Nicki hasn't really sat around somewhere for years at a time while the next bitch comes in to take over. Nicki ain't really been on an extended break of any kind like Brandy did foolishly idk how many times IN her prime ssddsd she should have at least 3 more albums under her belt.
Nicki just hasn't adjusted musically. she didn't have to push herself until NOW IMO and this is the true test. Does she deserve credit for putting out hits in 2010? sure. But how hard was it to just insert a catchy verse over a pre written hook like Starships and Superbass? Not nearly as hard as what she's dealing with right now.
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 03:17:49 AM
Beyonce is no stranger to EDM , by the way.
She even had her own tea out when it was the IN thing to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlxByc0-V40
This isn?t EDM idiot. This is a pop song.
You?re such a fucking retard.
Quote from: CardiVENOM on August 18, 2018, 03:15:34 AM
Beyonc? never caved and made edm
She made her blackass album and took her lashings on the hot100 accordingly. And still moved those albums. :letsmessfag:
And dead at nickel in competition with Adele. Adele has never made an EDM song.
Nickel wanted to be Kesha and now she is :letsmessfag:
And the album outsold every white girl who charted higher on the Hot 100.
And since the narrative is Nicki having to conform with what the charts were giving https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzZWXrlDj-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGk5fR-t5AU
Both 2017 - both flops
Wasn't Migos and crew dominating The Hot 100 in 2017? :omf:
So basically.....
.....she chased trends & alienated her core hip hop fan base, when EDM died, she ran back to Hip Hop where isn't as loved anymore, then tried to ram herself down our throats with all those features and shitty attitude, remy came for her, nicki proved how weak she was by dragging lil wayne and drake to fight her battles, and served a weak diss, lost the BET awards that year and showed her ass by not attending, *insert multiple online ramblings and breakdows here* and her trying to go toe to toe with Cardi put the final nail in the coffin.
the end.
Quote from: 1RIG on August 18, 2018, 03:04:08 AM
Quote from: fresh on August 18, 2018, 01:45:46 AM
TBH this is why she won't be going anywhere soon tho.
All popularity fades, its all in how you maneuver it.
can you imagine Cardi taking the heat Nicki takes on a daily? bbbbbbbbbbbbb
that weak bitch would be in an insane asylum.
:dead: she does tho. people find new ways to come for Cardi?s neck on the daily
She just happens to be likable to a good chunk of the general public in a way that Nicki never really was
Fresh: can you imagine Cardi taking the heat Nicki takes on a daily
Rig: she does tho. people find new ways to come for Cardi?s neck on the daily
She just happens to be likable to a good chunk of the general public in a way that Nicki never really was
----
So why does she take the same heat Nicki takes daily? if she's liked by a "good chunk of the general public" and nicki isn't. wouldn't that mean that nicki has less people that like her, and she gets MORE flack?
it doesn't logically make sense that one is liked more and gets equal amount of hate.
but maybe I'm wrong. lemme kno
In what WORLD is "Sweet Dreams" EDM music?
:kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii:
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 03:22:25 AM
In what WORLD is "Sweet Dreams" EDM music?
:kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii:
:dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 03:20:38 AM
Quote from: CardiVENOM on August 18, 2018, 03:15:34 AM
Beyonc? never caved and made edm
She made her blackass album and took her lashings on the hot100 accordingly. And still moved those albums. :letsmessfag:
And dead at nickel in competition with Adele. Adele has never made an EDM song.
Nickel wanted to be Kesha and now she is :letsmessfag:
And the album outsold every white girl who charted higher on the Hot 100.
And since the narrative is Nicki having to conform with what the charts were giving
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzZWXrlDj-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGk5fR-t5AU
Both 2017 - both flops
Wasn't Migos and crew dominating The Hot 100 in 2017?
:omf:
:plzstop:
Sometimes we forget that fagg only started fake stanning after purchasing shether :plzstop:
You can tell it wasn?t nickel when that thing was hopping every dick in the building trying to get to number 1.
Quote from: CREAM. on August 18, 2018, 03:02:27 AM
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XCCXZXXCXXXXXXX
Someone KILL this girl
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 03:22:25 AM
In what WORLD is "Sweet Dreams" EDM music?
:kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii:
That faggot honestly has no idea what it?s talking about.
Are Thriller and How Will I Know EDM too? :plzstop:
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 03:23:47 AM
Sounded very Michael Jackson to me when I first heard it. And I lived.
And he didn't typically make "Black ass" music and albums.
:dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:
f
Sweet Dreams is just a regular degular pop song
It wouldn't be classed as EDM
Radio is more EDm/Euro Pop than Sweet Dreams
but she still managed to make it sound ghetto
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 03:23:47 AM
I'd like to know what Sweet Dreams is then.
R&B? Hip-hop?
Sounded very Michael Jackson to me when I first heard it. And I lived.
And he didn't typically make "Black ass" music and albums.
Faggot that black ass album was this decade.
Was Sweet Dreams on any album this decade? Can you ever follow a simple conversation and not be dazed and confused? Slow motherfucker.
Quote from: CardiVENOM on August 18, 2018, 03:26:47 AM
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 03:23:47 AM
I'd like to know what Sweet Dreams is then.
R&B? Hip-hop?
Sounded very Michael Jackson to me when I first heard it. And I lived.
And he didn't typically make "Black ass" music and albums.
Faggot that black ass album was this decade.
Was Sweet Dreams on any album this decade? Can you ever follow a simple conversation and not be dazed and confused? Slow motherfucker.
:omf:
:guys:
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 03:28:04 AM
Quote from: CardiVENOM on August 18, 2018, 03:26:47 AM
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 03:23:47 AM
I'd like to know what Sweet Dreams is then.
R&B? Hip-hop?
Sounded very Michael Jackson to me when I first heard it. And I lived.
And he didn't typically make "Black ass" music and albums.
Faggot that black ass album was this decade.
Was Sweet Dreams on any album this decade? Can you ever follow a simple conversation and not be dazed and confused? Slow motherfucker.
And this is where our conversation ends.
Stop addressing me if the only resort you can run to is name calling once you're challenged.
You?re the challenged one. Keep grasping for straws and running this Paralympic.
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 02:48:03 AM
Now, I'll fast forward to the top songs of the year 2011.
Let's take a look at what NICKI was up against.
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/e8df2a0940421c15ee6e9d74671ab8bf/tumblr_pdn9h1epkE1qfrpiko1_1280.jpg)
As you can see, she's barely CLIMBING through the sea of WHITE glowsticks trying to get a hit.
Is this a challenge in 2018? What about 2017.
But still what point are you trying to get across? Or trying to make? That Cardi has it easier because she's up against blacks? And nicki had it harder because she was up against whites?
Quote from: Tonkaman on August 18, 2018, 03:30:04 AM
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 02:48:03 AM
Now, I'll fast forward to the top songs of the year 2011.
Let's take a look at what NICKI was up against.
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/e8df2a0940421c15ee6e9d74671ab8bf/tumblr_pdn9h1epkE1qfrpiko1_1280.jpg)
As you can see, she's barely CLIMBING through the sea of WHITE glowsticks trying to get a hit.
Is this a challenge in 2018? What about 2017.
But still what point are you trying to get across? Or trying to make? That Cardi has it easier because she's up against blacks? And nicki had it harder because she was up against whites?
im screaming
Quote from: fresh on August 18, 2018, 03:21:53 AM
Quote from: 1RIG on August 18, 2018, 03:04:08 AM
Quote from: fresh on August 18, 2018, 01:45:46 AM
TBH this is why she won't be going anywhere soon tho.
All popularity fades, its all in how you maneuver it.
can you imagine Cardi taking the heat Nicki takes on a daily? bbbbbbbbbbbbb
that weak bitch would be in an insane asylum.
:dead: she does tho. people find new ways to come for Cardi?s neck on the daily
She just happens to be likable to a good chunk of the general public in a way that Nicki never really was
Fresh: can you imagine Cardi taking the heat Nicki takes on a daily
Rig: she does tho. people find new ways to come for Cardi?s neck on the daily
She just happens to be likable to a good chunk of the general public in a way that Nicki never really was
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So why does she take the same heat Nicki takes daily? if she's liked by a "good chunk of the general public" and nicki isn't. wouldn't that mean that nicki has less people that like her, and she gets MORE flack?
it doesn't logically make sense that one is liked more and gets equal amount of hate.
but maybe I'm wrong. lemme kno
the point is that Nicki isn't alone in the world of music when it comes to the level of vitriol and criticism she gets for every little thing. :dead: there's no way to sit up and measure who gets more hate and it doesn't matter because neither of them are very good at dealing with it in the first place.
Although i adore the way Cardi handles her interviews in comparison lolz
All these excuses. Its a shame that the "Queen" of hip hop will go down in history with her biggest hit song being Superbass and Starships.
Quote from: Y.T.TUN on August 18, 2018, 03:31:07 AM
All these excuses. Its a shame that the "Queen" of hip hop will go down in history with her biggest hit song being Superbass and Starships.
and that's true tea
Don't forget Fefe
Quote from: DidYouEvenKnowVersace? on August 18, 2018, 03:31:22 AM
Quote from: Y.T.TUN on August 18, 2018, 03:31:07 AM
All these excuses. Its a shame that the "Queen" of hip hop will go down in history with her biggest hit song being Superbass and Starships.
and that's true tea
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 03:26:55 AM
Quote from: 1RIG on August 18, 2018, 03:18:14 AM
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 03:05:12 AM
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Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 01:44:24 AM
Quote from: Pearls Khan on August 18, 2018, 01:42:40 AM
So I assume she'll be getting that #1 shortly, now that hip hop is back in the forefront, right?
Was Michael Jackson getting #1's with his final release, although pop was still at the forefront?
Every artist has their prime .
i see ur point but she ain?t been around long enough for that comparison. she started popping in like 2010 and this is her 3rd real album. idk
She has, actually.
Pop artists tend to have 8-10 years of relevance before they're tossed aside.
This is no shade at all, as this applies to MOST artists, but we know her best so I'm using her as an example.
Look at GHan. She started in 1994.
Afrodisiac was released in 2004. Where was she by this point in her career? At the top?
true, but, unlike Bran, Nicki hasn't really sat around somewhere for years at a time while the next bitch comes in to take over. Nicki ain't really been on an extended break of any kind like Brandy did foolishly idk how many times IN her prime ssddsd she should have at least 3 more albums under her belt.
Nicki just hasn't adjusted musically. she didn't have to push herself until NOW IMO and this is the true test. Does she deserve credit for putting out hits in 2010? sure. But how hard was it to just insert a catchy verse over a pre written hook like Starships and Superbass? Not nearly as hard as what she's dealing with right now.
We'll use another example, then.
How long did her prime last? Take a guess.
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ccccccccvcv thats a pop bitch and pop aint in right now. Nicki turned off a LOT of hip hop heads i suppose, cuz it really shouldn't be this much of an uphill battle for her to nap that solo Rap smash.
this current era is really testing out her artistry IMO. She wasn't a full blooded Taylor Swift pop girl when she was discovered like Katy was and is. This is the perfect time for Nicki to go back to what she knows and get that smash but idk if she can
Your main point i agree with though. Beyonce is the rare exception. Ain't nobody smashing for 10 + years as a female in this game and thats any genre really
gghhhhh
For starters, Beyonc? is a R&B/Pop gur, meaning....she does BOTH genres. Nick is a RAPPER who made her claim to fame singing Katy Perry rejects. Secondly, "Sweet Dreams" was released BEFORE it became trendy in the US to steal whatever style of Pop Europe was doing at the time.
Britney, Katy, Gaga, Ke$ha etc would not touch "Sweet Dreams" and Bey has never been some bitch to conform with whatever a bunch of minimally talented white women were releasing.
Your story was already debunked several pages ago. Nicki has more Urban hits than Pop ones.
Urban dominating didn't stop Gaga from putting out 'Joanne'
Urban dominating didn't stop Britney from putting out 'Glory'
And Katy had a Migos feature that FLOPPED, so please. People will buy your music if they're interested regardless of what's currently in the Top 10. Adele isn't gonna come back mumble rapping with tats on her face for her next album, and I doubt any white pop girl will. Nicki just isn't interesting.
:omf:
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 03:37:50 AM
Adele isn't gonna come back mumble rapping with tats on her face for her next album, and I doubt any white pop girl will. Nicki just isn't interesting.
:omf:
ghthtzhth
could you imagine though :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:
Quote from: CardiVENOM on August 18, 2018, 03:24:54 AM
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 03:22:25 AM
In what WORLD is "Sweet Dreams" EDM music?
:kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii: :kii:
That faggot honestly has no idea what it?s talking about.
Are Thriller and How Will I Know EDM too? :plzstop:
Posting screenshots talking about EDM music while Adele is sitting at the top with a ballad. :kii:
Quote from: whatever on August 18, 2018, 03:36:39 AM
:dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:
5 years from now, we'll look back and cringe if we aren't already doing it now
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 03:37:50 AM
gghhhhh
For starters, Beyonc? is a R&B/Pop gur, meaning....she does BOTH genres. Nick is a RAPPER who made her claim to fame singing Katy Perry rejects. Secondly, "Sweet Dreams" was released BEFORE it became trendy in the US to steal whatever style of Pop Europe was doing at the time.
Britney, Katy, Gaga, Ke$ha etc would not touch "Sweet Dreams" and Bey has never been some bitch to conform with whatever a bunch of minimally talented white women were releasing.
Your story was already debunked several pages ago. Nicki has more Urban hits than Pop ones.
Urban dominating didn't stop Gaga from putting out 'Joanne'
Urban dominating didn't stop Britney from putting out 'Glory'
And Katy had a Migos feature that FLOPPED, so please. People will buy your music if they're interested regardless of what's currently in the Top 10. Adele isn't gonna come back mumble rapping with tats on her face for her next album, and I doubt any white pop girl will. Nicki just isn't interesting.
:omf:
:omf: :omf:
Quote from: DidYouEvenKnowVersace? on August 18, 2018, 03:25:29 AM
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 03:23:47 AM
Sounded very Michael Jackson to me when I first heard it. And I lived.
And he didn't typically make "Black ass" music and albums.
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Michael Jackson has EDM records we don't know about? :uhh:
Quote from: DidYouEvenKnowVersace? on August 18, 2018, 03:39:34 AM
Quote from: whatever on August 18, 2018, 03:36:39 AM
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5 years from now, we'll look back and cringe if we aren't already doing it now
Dhdhdhhdhd exactly
was it worth it
Quote from: DidYouEvenKnowVersace? on August 18, 2018, 03:39:34 AM
Quote from: whatever on August 18, 2018, 03:36:39 AM
:dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:
5 years from now, we'll look back and cringe if we aren't already doing it now
Pound the Alarm is one of her best
:uhh:
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 03:40:23 AM
Quote from: DidYouEvenKnowVersace? on August 18, 2018, 03:25:29 AM
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 03:23:47 AM
Sounded very Michael Jackson to me when I first heard it. And I lived.
And he didn't typically make "Black ass" music and albums.
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Michael Jackson has EDM records we don't know about? :uhh:
Not even that, Michael CREATED new sound for himself, he still did classic R&B though.
Nicki just jumped on trends
This comparison just doesn't make any sense.
Nnnn
This is top 40 radio popular hits
I barely see rap why???i thought rap was pop why Is rap mostly on urban radio?
http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/allaboutcountry/Charts.asp?format=H1R
Quote from: DidYouEvenKnowVersace? on August 18, 2018, 03:44:50 AM
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 03:40:23 AM
Quote from: DidYouEvenKnowVersace? on August 18, 2018, 03:25:29 AM
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 03:23:47 AM
Sounded very Michael Jackson to me when I first heard it. And I lived.
And he didn't typically make "Black ass" music and albums.
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Michael Jackson has EDM records we don't know about? :uhh:
Not even that, Michael CREATED new sound for himself, he still did classic R&B though.
Nicki just jumped on trends
This comparison just doesn't make any sense.
Nothing that fag said in here makes sense.
Quote from: whatever on August 18, 2018, 03:45:37 AM
Nnnn
This is top 40 radio popular hits
I barely see rap why???i thought rap was pop why Is rap mostly on urban radio?
http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/allaboutcountry/Charts.asp?format=H1R
:plzstop: :plzstop: :omf:
Let?s what it will pull out of its ass next.
Screaming at the topic going from "Nicki had to conform to reflect to charts to "The lifespan of a Pop artist"
What is he even talking about?
:kii:
It boils down to Nicki can't adapt and make current hits. She lost her cool factor. Her payola ran out. We are deep in the streaming era and her streaming power sucks....
When she was in her prime iTunes held more weight and people brought singles...just like in Kim time people didn't really buy singles like that. iTunes wasn't big in Kim prime.
She's on her way out, it happens
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 03:47:48 AM
Screaming at the topic going from "Nicki had to conform to reflect to charts to "The lifespan of a Pop artist"
What is he even talking about?
:kii:
and using Brandy & Toni as comparisons :dead:
Why not use Madonna, Michael, Janet, Beyonce ect, if what he still believes is true with him saying Nicki is akin to Janet that they're dominating pop stars :dead:
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 03:47:48 AM
Screaming at the topic going from "Nicki had to conform to reflect to charts to "The lifespan of a Pop artist"
What is he even talking about?
:kii:
I think he?s on drugs.
Crack to be exact.
Is "superbass" a pop song or a hip hop song?
Quote from: CardiVENOM on August 18, 2018, 03:47:08 AM
Quote from: whatever on August 18, 2018, 03:45:37 AM
Nnnn
This is top 40 radio popular hits
I barely see rap why???i thought rap was pop why Is rap mostly on urban radio?
http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/allaboutcountry/Charts.asp?format=H1R
:plzstop: :plzstop: :omf:
Let?s what it will pull out of its ass next.
Nnnnnnn
:plzstop:
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Quote from: DidYouEvenKnowVersace? on August 18, 2018, 04:07:25 AM
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Ghygyhfedffr
Nicki is just out of touch with what's tea. That whole thing about her having to conform because of what was perched in the Top 10? Nah
We never saw Beyonc? running around in purple wigs singing with David or Calvin Harris despite having to compete with a bunch of white women her entire career. 4 is double platinum and it easily outsold any generic EDM album that was put out the same year.
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So was Nicki intentionally trying to crossover or was she chasing trends to get a hit cause just you just said both.
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But there's still the unanswered question of why she doesn't have a #1 single even after conforming and doing all those pop records
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Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 02:56:58 AM
And the discussion is the state of the industry during each artist's prime.
I think the receipts show that they're in two different eras of music.
It's pretty...clear. Crystal clear, actually.
But if there's any questions I'm open to answer.
Fck you
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 04:33:25 AM
But there's still the unanswered question of why she doesn't have a #1 single even after conforming and doing all those pop records
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Okurrr
Cuz Rihanna had like a million number ones in during this nickel prime with the same ppl nickel ran too. The same writer of Superbass too :plzstop:
Good point but Rihanna doing Pop music as a black woman had no problem blasting past white women all throughout the 2000s. She has more #1s than all of those girls combined.
Even now with Urban dominating "Girls Like You" is slaying. Also, most of "I Like It" is in spanish. There's nothing in the Top 10 that sounds like it. There's also Ed Sheeran who spent about 2 months at the top with a pop record.
Kinda just proves a good record will perform well no matter what the majority of the chart is giving.
Nicki just...can't do it
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gggds why is this gif titled "wide careless dolphin"
:dead: :dead: :dead:
Quote from: CardiVENOM on August 18, 2018, 05:03:12 AM
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 04:33:25 AM
But there's still the unanswered question of why she doesn't have a #1 single even after conforming and doing all those pop records
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Okurrr
Cuz Rihanna had like a million number ones in during this nickel prime with the same ppl nickel ran too. The same writer of Superbass too :plzstop:
And she was also a black woman doing pop music
And Nicki has done songs with Katy, Britney & Madonna.
There's really no excuse :omf:
Every era is different in music.
Only few survive it. Haven't seen a female rapper do it yet.
By next album she'll be like 40 and they'll be calling her the OG.
Rap is dominated by streaming not radio or iTunes so I can't see young kids lip syncing her songs on snap/insta.
She had a cute run. Oh and a hit record is a hit record regardless.
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Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 05:03:52 AM
Good point but Rihanna doing Pop music as a black woman had no problem blasting past white women all throughout the 2000s. She has more #1s than all of those girls combined.
Even now with Urban dominating "Girls Like You" is slaying. Also, most of "I Like It" is in spanish. There's nothing in the Top 10 that sounds like it. There's also Ed Sheeran who spent about 2 months at the top with a pop record.
Kinda just proves a good record will perform well no matter what the majority of the chart is giving.
Nicki just...can't do it
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Only Girl
We Found Love
Yeah there?s no valid excuse why nickel didn?t have a number 1.
All I see is a sea of black on that 2010 chart. Usher, Will.Iam, Bob, Bruno Mars, Taio Cruz, Ludacris, Black Eyedpeas, Travis McCoy etc. Am I missing something? :letsmessfag:
Damn Nicki was torn to fucking shreds in here
I still can?t at her arguing with Jessica Dime and Safaree on Twitter
:omf:
Fck it
Nicki is a slut
Quote from: Michelle Williams on August 18, 2018, 05:14:52 AM
All I see is a sea of black on that 2010 chart. Usher, Will.Iam, Bob, Bruno Mars, Taio Cruz, Ludacris, Black Eyedpeas, Travis McCoy etc. Am I missing something? :letsmessfag:
Excellent point. Black eyed peas spend like 24 weeks at number 1. They are a rap group that dabbled in pop.
Boom boom pow is no different from Superbass. Except it actually went number 1 and snatched them Grammys :cheerup:
I got a feeling is no different than that turning me on song. except see the number 1 and Grammy pull part :ATLcameo: :receipts:
Damn the OP can?t get anything to stick.
Quote from: CardiVENOM on August 18, 2018, 05:21:03 AM
Quote from: Michelle Williams on August 18, 2018, 05:14:52 AM
All I see is a sea of black on that 2010 chart. Usher, Will.Iam, Bob, Bruno Mars, Taio Cruz, Ludacris, Black Eyedpeas, Travis McCoy etc. Am I missing something? :letsmessfag:
Excellent point. Black eyed peas spend like 24 weeks at number 1. They are a rap group that dabbled in pop.
Boom boom pow is no different then Superbass. Except it actually went number 1 and snatched them Grammys :cheerup:
I got a feeling is no different than that turning me on song. except see the number 1 and Grammy pull part :ATLcameo: :receipts:
Damn the OP can?t get anything to stick.
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 05:21:51 AM
Quote from: Andrais. on August 18, 2018, 05:20:50 AM
Fck it
Nicki is a slut
sfp;,mlonfsfsfsfsfs
Not that blue font disappearing fsffs
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I had to give my keyboard a break and lash nicki from my phone
Amazing debate
So glad we established Nicki is a white man's whore
Wow Nicki has no real hip hop smash hit though...
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Chhhhhhhh
Quote from: CardiVENOM on August 18, 2018, 05:21:03 AM
Quote from: Michelle Williams on August 18, 2018, 05:14:52 AM
All I see is a sea of black on that 2010 chart. Usher, Will.Iam, Bob, Bruno Mars, Taio Cruz, Ludacris, Black Eyedpeas, Travis McCoy etc. Am I missing something? :letsmessfag:
Excellent point. Black eyed peas spend like 24 weeks at number 1. They are a rap group that dabbled in pop.
Boom boom pow is no different from Superbass. Except it actually went number 1 and snatched them Grammys :cheerup:
I got a feeling is no different than that turning me on song. except see the number 1 and Grammy pull part :ATLcameo: :receipts:
Damn the OP can?t get anything to stick.
Boom Boom Pow was a KNOCK. Do you not hear the BASS? Rapping about fucking so very hip hop as well.
Quote from: a whole new world. on August 18, 2018, 05:25:27 AM
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Nice convo though, guys.
I enjoyed how we kept it cute and composed for the most part.
I see your points and I think you saw a few of mine as well.
I'm bout to go to sleep :omf: Cannot believe Nicki got me up chatting about her at 5:24 in the damn morning. ffsfsfssf Good convo tho
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The album still slays though. :traciandchelle:
Z
Yeah
Nickkis succes
Made labels look at female rap again
And sprouted the iggy and remy comeback and cardi and bad bhabi
Quote from: BowDown on August 18, 2018, 01:37:49 AM
Nicki made the girls excited for female hip hop again. It was non-existent forever.
Not Sweet Dreams being EDM and the members of LMFAO being white
Y'all stomped in hea
I just want to know why how we can call this Cardi?s Prime when we don?t have anything else to compare it to.
She just came out the gate swinging...This argument is just flawed.
Quote from: Demm_ on August 18, 2018, 09:33:09 AM
I just want to know why how we can call this Cardi?s Prime when we don?t have anything else to compare it to.
She just came out the gate swinging...This argument is just flawed.
when the next era fails to produce 2 #1 songs, you'll see why this is most certainly her peak
Quote from: squid on August 18, 2018, 09:18:30 AM
Not Sweet Dreams being EDM and the members of LMFAO being white
i think one has a white parent
Quote from: TALISA2.0 on August 18, 2018, 09:36:35 AM
Quote from: Demm_ on August 18, 2018, 09:33:09 AM
I just want to know why how we can call this Cardi?s Prime when we don?t have anything else to compare it to.
She just came out the gate swinging...This argument is just flawed.
when the next era fails to produce 2 #1 songs....
You?re right...
3...maybe 4. She makes hits.
:letsmessfag:
Quote from: Demm_ on August 18, 2018, 09:38:58 AM
Quote from: TALISA2.0 on August 18, 2018, 09:36:35 AM
Quote from: Demm_ on August 18, 2018, 09:33:09 AM
I just want to know why how we can call this Cardi?s Prime when we don?t have anything else to compare it to.
She just came out the gate swinging...This argument is just flawed.
when the next era fails to produce 2 #1 songs....
You?re right...
3...maybe 4. She makes hits.
:letsmessfag:
I really hope this isn't a "what goes up must come down" type of deal. Rooting for card :woohoo:
This thread :plzstop: