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Is Usher a Legend In the R&B Game? Yes. Yes, He Is (https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/is-usher-a-legend-in-the-r-b-game-yes-yes-he-is-1830548117)
A few weeks back in Atlanta for Spelhouse homecoming, I got into a fun and spirited debate with my crew of Day Ones over Sunday brunch. Because we love to have deep and intellectual conversations about shit that doesn?t really matter in the grand scheme of things, music and entertainment are usually an easy go-to. The particular day?s topic: R&B legends.
One of the homies asked the all-important question and then drew a parallel. The all-important question (and if I?m getting the ?pacifics wrong, I?m sure the homies can and will correct me): Is Usher a legend? The parallel was made to Bobby Brown, whose legendary status was then subsequently questioned.
Let?s start at the beginning: Bobby Brown is absolutely a legend. He created ONE single solitary album worth talking about in what amounts to 30-plus-year career of music and shenanigans. And yet, that one album was like Wilt Chamberlains? 100-point game. Bobby wrecked shop throughout the industry, bagged Janet Jackson, slept with ghosts, married Whitney Houston, did all of the drugs and created Don?t Be Cruel (hot-take alert), the best R&B album of all time post-Thriller. While one of the homies who instituted the convo doesn?t believe that Bobby Brown is necessarily a legend, I think it?s pretty safe to squarely put him in the R&B legend camp. He is easily and far-and-away the most successful member of New Edition.
Yet pitting Bobby against Usher might be unfair; Bobby?s heyday is the reason why acts like Usher could even thrive. And artists like Usher may have had Michael Jackson in their sights in terms of impact, but Bobby Brown was the blueprint for super-edgy R&B, and Usher took that baton and ran with it. But for my money, in his own right, Usher is a legend, and I?ll explain why. For the record, and the very reason why this is even a discussion is this: Apparently not everybody thinks that Usher?s reign was legendary. Color me badd, yo.
Back to Usher?s legendary status. I think that if we were to put together a male R&B Mount Rushmore, both Bobby Brown and Usher would absolutely belong on that mountain. For you, who belongs there can depend on any number of factors. Hell, if you?re over 50 you might think I?m smoking that la la la for even including Ursher, Baby. For my money, I?m rounding out my facade with Luther and Babyface. Considering that Babyface has written and was responsible for several hits for each of the aforementioned acts, maybe they should call it Mount Babyface. And I mean, Prince? What is he? I quit.
Usher Raymond IV is a superstar R&B artist. Of his eight studio albums, four of them have been No. 1 albums on Billboard. Confessions, his highest-selling album, went diamond, which is the Recording Industry Association of America?s designation for selling 10 million copies of an album in the United States. That album sold over 20 million copies worldwide. Not quite Michael Jackson but it is good enough to be the best selling album for 2004, back when folks were still buying albums; even Jadakiss? Kiss of Death album went platinum. He also had the best opening week for an R&B act?ever. And that?s just Confessions.
Usher?s best song? Cleary, it?s ?U Don?t Have to Call,? a Neptunes-produced record off of his almost five million-selling 8701 album, which also included seminal hits like ?U Got It Bad,? and ?U Remind Me.? As you can see, Usher is a fan of the letter ?U.?
Usher has the record sales to be a legend. But what else makes one a legend? Usher is an amazing vocal talent, but couple that with his performance stylings, clearly in the perfectionist vein of Michael with the seductiveness of Bobby ?nem, and Usher leveled up the game in every single way. He is a dancing ass dancer who commands(ed) the stage in a way that, for his time, made his concerts a must-see event. While Usher is mostly scandal-free (mostly, I said scandal, not STI), he?s also lived a rock-n-roll lifestyle, one that Bobby perfected for the masses to learn (and unlearn) from.
Usher, whose career got going in the mid-?90s and is still going today, is a name that both sells and garners respect for what he brought to the R&B table as a talent and a personality. When people talk about R&B greats, Usher?s name belongs in the conversation. While I know that many are loathe to give legendary status to artists still making music and young enough to be other legend?s children, the fact is, Usher has done enough work, been around long enough and has enough hits and a classic album (Confessions), that to argue against his legendary status seems nonsensical.
But alas, I know some don?t see it that way. If you ask me, Usher?s a legend, hands down. To others, maybe not.
What say you? What is your confession?
Let it burn.
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in R&B kinda and dassit
Damns I guess that settles it
Ush is LEGEND
:cheerup:
Why wouldn?t he be?
well yeah
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Ray is a great writer, i must say
Quote from: 1RIG on November 20, 2018, 03:41:40 PM
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Ray is a great writer, i must say
fhhhcfffcxcdc
Hey bro
Bran is scrapping the album I?m told
:sistas:
He?s a legend in the game PERIOD
Plaaay anutha slooow jamz
:stressed:
Yeah he?s a legend
I don?t care for a lot of his music
Or his lack of growth/originality
But he?s a legend
Quote from: Glock on November 20, 2018, 05:07:49 PM
Yeah he?s a legend
I don?t care for a lot of his music
Or his lack of growth/originality
But he?s a legend
If he doesn?t have those how.....
I don?t know tbh
I feel like if you can?t do a stadium mess on your own
You ain?t a legend, sor
He's a VET maybe. Nothing legendary bout him
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 20, 2018, 05:24:47 PM
He's a VET maybe. Nothing legendary bout him
Boy stfu :dead:
nope
Dumb ass faggots
If Usher?s not then neither is R. Kelly.
Quote from: Choke on November 20, 2018, 05:15:19 PM
I don?t know tbh
I feel like if you can?t do a stadium mess on your own
You ain?t a legend, sor
so you?re saying most of the great Black artist like Gladys, Patti, Diana, Aretha, etc aren?t legends?
cuz they?re not booking stadiums
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 20, 2018, 06:40:30 PM
Quote from: Choke on November 20, 2018, 05:15:19 PM
I don?t know tbh
I feel like if you can?t do a stadium mess on your own
You ain?t a legend, sor
so you?re saying most of the great Black artist like Gladys, Patti, Diana, Aretha, etc aren?t legends?
cuz they?re not booking stadiums
2 of these people def aren?t
Tbh
Quote from: Baph James. on November 20, 2018, 05:11:00 PM
Quote from: Glock on November 20, 2018, 05:07:49 PM
Yeah he?s a legend
I don?t care for a lot of his music
Or his lack of growth/originality
But he?s a legend
If he doesn?t have those how.....
Talent, Success, a young generation of artists that name him as an influence, longevity
Basically the stuff Bey and Riah have
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 20, 2018, 06:42:48 PM
Quote from: Baph James. on November 20, 2018, 05:11:00 PM
Quote from: Glock on November 20, 2018, 05:07:49 PM
Yeah he?s a legend
I don?t care for a lot of his music
Or his lack of growth/originality
But he?s a legend
If he doesn?t have those how.....
Talent, Success, a young generation of artists that name him as an influence, longevity
Basically the stuff Bey and Riah have
(http://78.media.tumblr.com/e84c551c00e1319425422022b6861ed2/tumblr_ndvutw5Dv01qzct34o1_400.gif)
Tbh, he kinda is as far as R&B is concerned. Kinda like how Mary is.
Quote from: Scott. on November 20, 2018, 07:36:37 PM
Tbh, he kinda is as far as R&B is concerned. Kinda like how Mary is.
Which R&B artist has more #1s? Usher has 9
Usher has 8 Grammys also which male R&B artists have that? Name 5
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 20, 2018, 07:46:41 PM
Which R&B artist has more #1s? Usher has 9
Usher has 8 Grammys also which male R&B artists have that? Name 5
He and Monica were the first folks to also have #1 in the 90s 00s and ?10s in R&B
Yawl gonna respect King
He did Chicago on Broadway just like Bran and we went crazy for that
Quote from: Lazarus on November 20, 2018, 03:26:08 PM
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Is Usher a Legend In the R&B Game? Yes. Yes, He Is (https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/is-usher-a-legend-in-the-r-b-game-yes-yes-he-is-1830548117)
Legend and a young vet who he influenced
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqaiAUJBBAs/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1kq6ilwn2gj7p
I?m shaking
https://www.instagram.com/p/BmPeKNplbTM/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1bkgzos1f2kyp
https://www.instagram.com/p/BgsISQJFcg_/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=12dxrufoklwc5
Quote from: Scott. on November 20, 2018, 07:36:37 PM
Tbh, he kinda is as far as R&B is concerned. Kinda like how Mary is.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeDxeZJlU2m/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=x4su61g86f39
https://www.instagram.com/p/BRn3bACFCaD/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=14u7fhwebgvxl
Quote from: Young on November 20, 2018, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: BowDown on November 20, 2018, 06:36:52 PM
If Usher?s not then neither is R. Kelly.
n
Horrible comparison. Usher can maybe be an icon but R.kelly?s catalog and pan reached a lot farther than usher
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQl-lLEBHe0/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=o2sqvang1w0g
Quote from: 1RIG on November 20, 2018, 08:20:58 PM
Quote from: Young on November 20, 2018, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: BowDown on November 20, 2018, 06:36:52 PM
If Usher?s not then neither is R. Kelly.
n
Horrible comparison. Usher can maybe be an icon but R.kelly?s catalog and pan reached a lot farther than usher
Really dumb. I almost called bow outta her name
Ol dumb ass bitch
[instagram]https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqa8-lGBDDv/[/instagram]
:ohwow:
274 million units in Australia.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeMjaXqFAPO/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=xy1tlcndky50
This career
:gorlonfire:
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 20, 2018, 06:40:30 PM
Quote from: Choke on November 20, 2018, 05:15:19 PM
I don?t know tbh
I feel like if you can?t do a stadium mess on your own
You ain?t a legend, sor
so you?re saying most of the great Black artist like Gladys, Patti, Diana, Aretha, etc aren?t legends?
cuz they?re not booking stadiums
I mean...
Quote from: Choke on November 20, 2018, 09:10:26 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 20, 2018, 06:40:30 PM
Quote from: Choke on November 20, 2018, 05:15:19 PM
I don?t know tbh
I feel like if you can?t do a stadium mess on your own
You ain?t a legend, sor
so you?re saying most of the great Black artist like Gladys, Patti, Diana, Aretha, etc aren?t legends?
cuz they?re not booking stadiums
(http://i.imgur.com/ZcKh36e.gif)
?
I think he is. Only reason it?s up for debate is that he?s really not popular anymore. He?s hurt his legacy a lot.
Quote from: Make America Native Again on November 20, 2018, 07:47:26 PM
Women have a lot more room to wiggle around and be edgy. We should know by now that men do not have that privilege in that arena of music.
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Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 20, 2018, 08:20:47 PM
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She said what she said and she?s kinda right
And Usher?s done more and better than Bert in recent years
The only thing R Kelly has over him is the musicality and that legacy as well
But musically in R&B they?re basically equals now
Quote from: Young on November 20, 2018, 09:26:44 PM
And Usher?s done more and better than Bert in recent years
The only thing R Kelly has over him is the musicality and that legacy as well
But musically in R&B they?re basically equals now
Well, Usher just might be legendary in his own right, he is NOT equal to R. Kelly. Nor does he have the same career. R. Kelly will always eclipse Usher in EVERYTHING.
q
Quote from: Young on November 20, 2018, 09:26:44 PM
And Usher?s done more and better than Bert in recent years
The only thing R Kelly has over him is the musicality and that legacy as well
But musically in R&B they?re basically equals now
Go off bby!!
I wonder who?s worth more...lolz
Even after all that writing Kellz did...hmm
Let?s just focus on King Ush Young
no need to debate on Molest
Typical to go with whose "worth" more when your argument is dumb af.
Usher has the better voice, better dancer/performer
more hit singles, the highest selling album, more Grammys etc
they are both legends though and Molest came first and is the songwriter and trailblazer
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 20, 2018, 09:38:51 PM
Usher has the better voice, better dancer/performer
more hit singles, the highest selling album, more Grammys etc
they are both legends though and Molest came first and is the songwriter and trailblazer
Who has the better voice is subjective.
But R. Kelly and Mary are basically the King and Queen of R&B. As I said, Usher is a legend in his own right, but you can't really compare Usher to R. Kelly. But to each is own
If Usher dropped an album rn it would flop
I wish you girls would just be hon? for once
He ain?t a legend, barley an Icon tbh
It?s all subjective outside of the numbers
ppl can say actually Whitney and Michael are the King and Queen
or Stevie, Prince, Aretha etc
Quote from: Young on November 20, 2018, 09:26:44 PM
And Usher?s done more and better than Bert in recent years
The only thing R Kelly has over him is the musicality and that legacy as well
But musically in R&B they?re basically equals now
You sound like tal comparing Ciara to Janet right now
Quote from: Choke on November 20, 2018, 09:41:45 PM
If Usher dropped an album rn it would flop
I wish you girls would just be hon? for once
He ain?t a legend, barley an Icon tbh
that goes for most legends
Aretha?s last album didn?t top the charts but she?s still legend
I digress
Quote from: 1RIG on November 20, 2018, 09:43:04 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 20, 2018, 08:22:36 PM
Quote from: 1RIG on November 20, 2018, 08:20:58 PM
Quote from: Young on November 20, 2018, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: BowDown on November 20, 2018, 06:36:52 PM
If Usher?s not then neither is R. Kelly.
n
Horrible comparison. Usher can maybe be an icon but R.kelly?s catalog and pan
does he cook or something
hggghhhhhhh cooking up HITS
when was the last one
n
King did his GOOD singing here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijCeRxW3DrE
Quote from: Scott. on November 20, 2018, 09:29:04 PM
Quote from: Young on November 20, 2018, 09:26:44 PM
And Usher?s done more and better than Bert in recent years
The only thing R Kelly has over him is the musicality and that legacy as well
But musically in R&B they?re basically equals now
Well, Usher just might be legendary in his own right, he is NOT equal to R. Kelly. Nor does he have the same career. R. Kelly will always eclipse Usher in EVERYTHING.
Usher needs a redemption era, what?s he up to?
Quote from: Scott. on November 20, 2018, 09:34:45 PM
Typical to go with whose "worth" more when your argument is dumb af.
That's legit the DUMBEST fckn argument
And this boy ain't a legend
Quote from: Choke on November 20, 2018, 09:41:45 PM
If Usher dropped an album rn it would flop
I wish you girls would just be hon? for once
He ain?t a legend, barley an Icon tbh
Usher did drop an album btw and it did flop
Quote from: BowDown on November 20, 2018, 11:05:48 PM
Usher needs a redemption era, what?s he up to?
recording his full album
and performing to stadiums in Australia
Of course :plzstop: He's done so much shit. If it was so easy then why haven't Ginuwine, Tyrese, Jaheim, Case, Avant, Neyo, Trey Songz and company done it? Give that man his props.
Yeah he?s Legend
No the fuck he?s not. One okay album doesn?t make him a legend.
Quote from: 4 fucking k on November 21, 2018, 06:09:43 AM
No the fuck he?s not. One okay album doesn?t make him a legend.
Not just one, damn :plzstop:
Quote from: 4 fucking k on November 21, 2018, 06:09:43 AM
No the fuck he?s not. One okay album doesn?t make him a legend.
He has 3 classic R&B albums and numerous hits
it?s kinda not debatable
65 Millions albums sold w/w
Are yawl okay ?
Can?t possibly be haters like this :dead:
Tbh it?s time for him to get a tribute :
Call Trey, Chris, Mario, Jussie and Bryson Tiller a bit
He already had one at the BET Honors
Trey sang Nice & Slow, and NE-YO was there stanning too
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 08:47:32 AM
Tbh it?s time for him to get a tribute :
Call Trey, Chris, Mario, Jussie and Bryson Tiller a bit
That should tell u right there
He ain?t a legend
Glad Ush is cemented as legend
I can?t think of single iconic MOMENT besides Let It Burn
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 09:05:35 AM
I can?t think of single iconic MOMENT besides Let It Burn
Yeah! :uhh:
He ruled the 90s as well right next to the Trinity
He stayed around and still had HITS and plaques
U Make Me Wanna
Nice & Slow
U Remind Me
U Got It Bad
Dancing with Michael Jackson at his 30th Anniversary
these are MULTIPLE Iconic moments
Quote from: Lazarus on November 20, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
[instagram]https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqa8-lGBDDv/[/instagram]
:ohwow:
274 million units in Australia.
nxjdjs this nigga is a legend :plzstop:
Like :uhh:
I don?t like him past confessions njcjdjdjd and the nigger is still an undisputed legend
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 09:15:58 AM
U Make Me Wanna
Nice & Slow
U Remind Me
U Got It Bad
Dancing with Michael Jackson at his 30th Anniversary
these are MULTIPLE Iconic moments
And plenty R&B classics throughout the years
My Way
Slow Jam
My Boo
U Remind Me
Quote from: Glock on November 21, 2018, 09:17:30 AM
Quote from: Lazarus on November 20, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
[instagram]https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqa8-lGBDDv/[/instagram]
:ohwow:
274 million units in Australia.
nxjdjs this nigga is a legend :plzstop:
Like :uhh:
I don?t like him past confessions njcjdjdjd and the nigger is still and undisputed legend
Clock it
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 08:52:59 AM
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 08:47:32 AM
Tbh it?s time for him to get a tribute :
Call Trey, Chris, Mario, Jussie and Bryson Tiller a bit
That should tell u right there
He ain?t a legend
!!!!!!!!
I dont see usher getting a tribute or being honored by anyone that matters
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 09:05:35 AM
I can?t think of single iconic MOMENT besides Let It Burn
He has no iconic moments, signature sounds, signature ANYTHING tbh. Im sorry but he's not a damn legend :plzstop:
Honestly he has some classic/known songs, but a legend? idk.
He really hasn't had that much impact or influence.
Quote from: 9! on November 21, 2018, 09:50:22 AM
Honestly he has some classic/known songs, but a legend? idk.
He really hasn't had that much impact or influence.
NONE imo. And THAT'S a legend. He has nothing signature and all these niggas just be rip offs of Michael Jackson
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 08:49:22 AM
He already had one at the BET Honors
Trey sang Nice & Slow, and NE-YO was there stanning too
and Bobby Brown gave him the award
ray is kinda manhandling you gorls
Usher being honored by ASCAP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYqC_c1kEBQ
Usher being honored at Soul Train
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCpxIGbEWbk
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who
n
n
So yeah.
He?s Legend
Quote from: Lazarus on November 20, 2018, 03:26:08 PM
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Is Usher a Legend In the R&B Game? Yes. Yes, He Is (https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/is-usher-a-legend-in-the-r-b-game-yes-yes-he-is-1830548117)
A few weeks back in Atlanta for Spelhouse homecoming, I got into a fun and spirited debate with my crew of Day Ones over Sunday brunch. Because we love to have deep and intellectual conversations about shit that doesn?t really matter in the grand scheme of things, music and entertainment are usually an easy go-to. The particular day?s topic: R&B legends.
One of the homies asked the all-important question and then drew a parallel. The all-important question (and if I?m getting the ?pacifics wrong, I?m sure the homies can and will correct me): Is Usher a legend? The parallel was made to Bobby Brown, whose legendary status was then subsequently questioned.
Let?s start at the beginning: Bobby Brown is absolutely a legend. He created ONE single solitary album worth talking about in what amounts to 30-plus-year career of music and shenanigans. And yet, that one album was like Wilt Chamberlains? 100-point game. Bobby wrecked shop throughout the industry, bagged Janet Jackson, slept with ghosts, married Whitney Houston, did all of the drugs and created Don?t Be Cruel (hot-take alert), the best R&B album of all time post-Thriller. While one of the homies who instituted the convo doesn?t believe that Bobby Brown is necessarily a legend, I think it?s pretty safe to squarely put him in the R&B legend camp. He is easily and far-and-away the most successful member of New Edition.
Yet pitting Bobby against Usher might be unfair; Bobby?s heyday is the reason why acts like Usher could even thrive. And artists like Usher may have had Michael Jackson in their sights in terms of impact, but Bobby Brown was the blueprint for super-edgy R&B, and Usher took that baton and ran with it. But for my money, in his own right, Usher is a legend, and I?ll explain why. For the record, and the very reason why this is even a discussion is this: Apparently not everybody thinks that Usher?s reign was legendary. Color me badd, yo.
Back to Usher?s legendary status. I think that if we were to put together a male R&B Mount Rushmore, both Bobby Brown and Usher would absolutely belong on that mountain. For you, who belongs there can depend on any number of factors. Hell, if you?re over 50 you might think I?m smoking that la la la for even including Ursher, Baby. For my money, I?m rounding out my facade with Luther and Babyface. Considering that Babyface has written and was responsible for several hits for each of the aforementioned acts, maybe they should call it Mount Babyface. And I mean, Prince? What is he? I quit.
Usher Raymond IV is a superstar R&B artist. Of his eight studio albums, four of them have been No. 1 albums on Billboard. Confessions, his highest-selling album, went diamond, which is the Recording Industry Association of America?s designation for selling 10 million copies of an album in the United States. That album sold over 20 million copies worldwide. Not quite Michael Jackson but it is good enough to be the best selling album for 2004, back when folks were still buying albums; even Jadakiss? Kiss of Death album went platinum. He also had the best opening week for an R&B act?ever. And that?s just Confessions.
Usher?s best song? Cleary, it?s ?U Don?t Have to Call,? a Neptunes-produced record off of his almost five million-selling 8701 album, which also included seminal hits like ?U Got It Bad,? and ?U Remind Me.? As you can see, Usher is a fan of the letter ?U.?
Usher has the record sales to be a legend. But what else makes one a legend? Usher is an amazing vocal talent, but couple that with his performance stylings, clearly in the perfectionist vein of Michael with the seductiveness of Bobby ?nem, and Usher leveled up the game in every single way. He is a dancing ass dancer who commands(ed) the stage in a way that, for his time, made his concerts a must-see event. While Usher is mostly scandal-free (mostly, I said scandal, not STI), he?s also lived a rock-n-roll lifestyle, one that Bobby perfected for the masses to learn (and unlearn) from.
Usher, whose career got going in the mid-?90s and is still going today, is a name that both sells and garners respect for what he brought to the R&B table as a talent and a personality. When people talk about R&B greats, Usher?s name belongs in the conversation. While I know that many are loathe to give legendary status to artists still making music and young enough to be other legend?s children, the fact is, Usher has done enough work, been around long enough and has enough hits and a classic album (Confessions), that to argue against his legendary status seems nonsensical.
But alas, I know some don?t see it that way. If you ask me, Usher?s a legend, hands down. To others, maybe not.
What say you? What is your confession?
Let it burn.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 09:44:44 AM
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 08:52:59 AM
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 08:47:32 AM
Tbh it?s time for him to get a tribute :
Call Trey, Chris, Mario, Jussie and Bryson Tiller a bit
That should tell u right there
He ain?t a legend
!!!!!!!!
I dont see usher getting a tribute or being honored by anyone that matters
And who gives a fck about bobby brown? Another nobody :dead:
Quote from: Lazarus on November 20, 2018, 03:26:08 PM
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Is Usher a Legend In the R&B Game? Yes. Yes, He Is (https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/is-usher-a-legend-in-the-r-b-game-yes-yes-he-is-1830548117)
A few weeks back in Atlanta for Spelhouse homecoming, I got into a fun and spirited debate with my crew of Day Ones over Sunday brunch. Because we love to have deep and intellectual conversations about shit that doesn?t really matter in the grand scheme of things, music and entertainment are usually an easy go-to. The particular day?s topic: R&B legends.
One of the homies asked the all-important question and then drew a parallel. The all-important question (and if I?m getting the ?pacifics wrong, I?m sure the homies can and will correct me): Is Usher a legend? The parallel was made to Bobby Brown, whose legendary status was then subsequently questioned.
Let?s start at the beginning: Bobby Brown is absolutely a legend. He created ONE single solitary album worth talking about in what amounts to 30-plus-year career of music and shenanigans. And yet, that one album was like Wilt Chamberlains? 100-point game. Bobby wrecked shop throughout the industry, bagged Janet Jackson, slept with ghosts, married Whitney Houston, did all of the drugs and created Don?t Be Cruel (hot-take alert), the best R&B album of all time post-Thriller. While one of the homies who instituted the convo doesn?t believe that Bobby Brown is necessarily a legend, I think it?s pretty safe to squarely put him in the R&B legend camp. He is easily and far-and-away the most successful member of New Edition.
Yet pitting Bobby against Usher might be unfair; Bobby?s heyday is the reason why acts like Usher could even thrive. And artists like Usher may have had Michael Jackson in their sights in terms of impact, but Bobby Brown was the blueprint for super-edgy R&B, and Usher took that baton and ran with it. But for my money, in his own right, Usher is a legend, and I?ll explain why. For the record, and the very reason why this is even a discussion is this: Apparently not everybody thinks that Usher?s reign was legendary. Color me badd, yo.
Back to Usher?s legendary status. I think that if we were to put together a male R&B Mount Rushmore, both Bobby Brown and Usher would absolutely belong on that mountain. For you, who belongs there can depend on any number of factors. Hell, if you?re over 50 you might think I?m smoking that la la la for even including Ursher, Baby. For my money, I?m rounding out my facade with Luther and Babyface. Considering that Babyface has written and was responsible for several hits for each of the aforementioned acts, maybe they should call it Mount Babyface. And I mean, Prince? What is he? I quit.
Usher Raymond IV is a superstar R&B artist. Of his eight studio albums, four of them have been No. 1 albums on Billboard. Confessions, his highest-selling album, went diamond, which is the Recording Industry Association of America?s designation for selling 10 million copies of an album in the United States. That album sold over 20 million copies worldwide. Not quite Michael Jackson but it is good enough to be the best selling album for 2004, back when folks were still buying albums; even Jadakiss? Kiss of Death album went platinum. He also had the best opening week for an R&B act?ever. And that?s just Confessions.
Usher?s best song? Cleary, it?s ?U Don?t Have to Call,? a Neptunes-produced record off of his almost five million-selling 8701 album, which also included seminal hits like ?U Got It Bad,? and ?U Remind Me.? As you can see, Usher is a fan of the letter ?U.?
Usher has the record sales to be a legend. But what else makes one a legend? Usher is an amazing vocal talent, but couple that with his performance stylings, clearly in the perfectionist vein of Michael with the seductiveness of Bobby ?nem, and Usher leveled up the game in every single way. He is a dancing ass dancer who commands(ed) the stage in a way that, for his time, made his concerts a must-see event. While Usher is mostly scandal-free (mostly, I said scandal, not STI), he?s also lived a rock-n-roll lifestyle, one that Bobby perfected for the masses to learn (and unlearn) from.
Usher, whose career got going in the mid-?90s and is still going today, is a name that both sells and garners respect for what he brought to the R&B table as a talent and a personality. When people talk about R&B greats, Usher?s name belongs in the conversation. While I know that many are loathe to give legendary status to artists still making music and young enough to be other legend?s children, the fact is, Usher has done enough work, been around long enough and has enough hits and a classic album (Confessions), that to argue against his legendary status seems nonsensical.
But alas, I know some don?t see it that way. If you ask me, Usher?s a legend, hands down. To others, maybe not.
What say you? What is your confession?
Let it burn.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 10:16:21 AM
And who gives a fck about bobby brown? Another nobody :dead:
!!
If he didn?t marry Whitney he would?ve been left in the early 90s.
Quote from: this sounds like Sl? to the stage on November 21, 2018, 10:18:27 AM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 10:16:21 AM
And who gives a fck about bobby brown? Another nobody :dead:
!!
If he didn?t marry Whitney he would?ve been left in the early 90s.
LIKE :plzstop:
If Bobby was a ?nobody? then that BET movie wouldn?t have had the big ratings and caused the headlines that it did
clearly he?s not popular now but he had huge success in his day and an impact on R&B music
Him marrying Whitney is actually what stopped his career tbh
he would probably not be all coked out and be in shape if he wasn?t relegated to following her around everywhere
Quote from: au naturale on November 21, 2018, 10:38:07 AM
Even I tuned into the movie and he's not from my era of tea.
But his association with New Edition in itself is worth noting.
Not to mention a super successful spin off career.
New Edition's movie was epic as well.
These are all very notable Black figures in R&B who were honored accordingly.
But sometimes people don't see things as deserving of mention unless it is presented by White dominated spaces. BET did it, so it doesn't count. They don't know what they're talking about. They don't matter.
:omf:
I mean just the fact that he got a biopic, AND he was the only one from New Edition to get one says a lot
How many male R&B artists even have one? Does Bert? Al B Sure? Joe? Keith Sweat? Gerald Levert? Luther?
Oh ok
Y?all gotta learn how to separate preference from FACTS
this nigger is a legend
Quote from: Glock on November 21, 2018, 10:46:07 AM
Y?all gotta learn how to separate preference from FACTS
this nigger is a legend
Quote from: au naturale on November 21, 2018, 10:30:05 AM
Too many times Black people act as if these entities don't matter but then cry foul once they aren't allowed in predominately non-Black spaces.
It literally makes 0 sense to me. Have some pride in and respect for the outlets that are created specifically for the community.
It speaks volumes that someone as young as Usher has had time set aside for him to be honored in such a way. He's King.
Message
Ds
Yall terrible. Give this nigga his flowers he's legend.
f
Bobby is a nobody and his career was over. Not even a whitney duet could force people to buy that lil album. And not bringing up that BET movie :plzstop:
The New Edition movie did better and they ain't legends outside of R&B either. A legend is a big term imo and none of these people are legends on a mainstream level. But Congrats on ya lil BET movie doing well :kii:
Legends get FEATURE films. Aint nobody making no movie about new edition, bobby brown, or no damn usher :kii:
Michael Jackson?s movies went to TV as well
guess he?s not a legend because they weren?t in theatres?
:kii:
Hdjdjjdjdjd
Cinema! Face on a cereal box! Superbowl commercials etc!
This man is trying so hard :dead:
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 20, 2018, 05:24:47 PM
He's a VET maybe. Nothing legendary bout him
i have to agree... an icon perhaps...but a legend? :udontlookok:
Honestly the only reason I don?t consider usher a legend is because he?s a damn trend chaser. He has classics and a classic album but he just doesn?t really have his own thing. Everything he?s put out sounded like everything that was popular at its time.
Except maybe confessions.
I?m sorry but that R. Kelly comparison was a bit much
Quote from: Kurama on November 21, 2018, 11:13:00 AM
Hdjdjjdjdjd
Cinema! Face on a cereal box! Superbowl commercials etc!
LASH THAT FUCKING BACK! :blessed: :blessed: :blessed:
Oh lord. Not y?all denying NE their flowers lol
N
Quote from: Kurama on November 21, 2018, 11:13:00 AM
Hdjdjjdjdjd
Cinema! Face on a cereal box! Superbowl commercials etc!
Cncnccncncncnc
What?s going on in here
He really is legendary. He needs an era to reclaim his title tbh.
Quote from: au naturale on November 21, 2018, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: Kaeli. on November 21, 2018, 11:23:36 AM
Honestly the only reason I don?t consider usher a legend is because he?s a damn trend chaser. He has classics and a classic album but he just doesn?t really have his own thing. Everything he?s put out sounded like everything that was popular at its time.
Except maybe confessions.
Well Michael was very in with the trends until Thriller.
All those singles he was releasing beforehand were run of the mill pop teas - Rock With U, etc.
It's not uncommon for legendary artists to go with the flow for a while but have one or two albums that really set trends and carved their name in as a legend.
I'd say Confessions is Usher's Thriller.
and My Way and 8701 also we?re not known for being ?trendy?
even Here I Stand tbh
Quote from: Kurama on November 21, 2018, 11:13:00 AM
Hdjdjjdjdjd
Cinema! Face on a cereal box! Superbowl commercials etc!
YEA! LOLZ
Quote from: Kaeli. on November 21, 2018, 11:19:04 AM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 20, 2018, 05:24:47 PM
He's a VET maybe. Nothing legendary bout him
i have to agree... an icon perhaps...but a legend? :udontlookok:
Like PERIOD :dead:
Quote from: Scott. on November 21, 2018, 11:35:10 AM
Oh lord. Not y?all denying NE their flowers lol
They are definitely
R&B Legends
Although they give them too much and low-key none of them can sing outside of Johnny Gill. Overrated niggers tbh
Quote from: BowDown on November 21, 2018, 12:01:00 PM
He really is legendary. He needs an era to reclaim his title tbh.
!!!
Remind these fags
I hope this new album is next level
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: BowDown on November 21, 2018, 12:01:00 PM
He really is legendary. He needs an era to reclaim his title tbh.
!!!
Remind these fags
I hope this new album is next level
It's usher.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 12:07:49 PM
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: BowDown on November 21, 2018, 12:01:00 PM
He really is legendary. He needs an era to reclaim his title tbh.
!!!
Remind these fags
I hope this new album is next level
It's usher.
Confessions kinda was tho hun
The girls followed suit after King a bit with that album
This was in Australia just now btw
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqa9fIxDQ2M/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=abwjz5m07usr
:unsure:
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
This was in Australia just now btw
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqa9fIxDQ2M/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=abwjz5m07usr
someone mentioned stadiums earlier
I don?t think he?s opening for anyone out there btw
!!!
Who in R&B is doing this overseas still ?
Respect this man
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:20:55 PM
!!!
Who in R&B is doing this overseas still ?
Respect this man
Beyonce :ohwow:
Quote from: MelMel on November 21, 2018, 12:22:13 PM
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:20:55 PM
!!!
Who in R&B is doing this overseas still ?
Respect this man
Beyonce :ohwow:
Right , another Iconic Legend
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:20:55 PM
!!!
Who in R&B is doing this overseas still ?
Respect this man
f
U realize R&B is more appreciated overseas than it is here? Usher is a nobody and that's final
As the OP says Usher is legend
this was a nice little discussion though
Confessions was a good album but l swear people give it more than it needs to be given. I prefer 8701.
But when an album sells very high, people swear it?s the best one and l honestly don?t think it was his best
Quote from: Scott. on November 21, 2018, 12:58:50 PM
Confessions was a good album but l swear people give it more than it needs to be given. I prefer 8701.
But when an album sells very high, people swear it?s the best one and l honestly don?t think it was his best
I don?t use Usher outside of that It?s 7 o clock on the dot I?m in my drop top song and 4 others
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 01:04:49 PM
It?s 7 o clock on the dot I?m in my drop top song and 4 others
you mean the first of his NINE #1 singles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIpQ4AZSAf8
Yea it?s a classic
Quote from: au naturale on November 21, 2018, 11:41:54 AM
Quote from: Kaeli. on November 21, 2018, 11:23:36 AM
Honestly the only reason I don?t consider usher a legend is because he?s a damn trend chaser. He has classics and a classic album but he just doesn?t really have his own thing. Everything he?s put out sounded like everything that was popular at its time.
Except maybe confessions.
Well Michael was very in with the trends until Thriller.
All those singles he was releasing beforehand were run of the mill pop teas - Rock With U, etc.
It's not uncommon for legendary artists to go with the flow for a while but have one or two albums that really set trends and carved their name in as a legend.
I'd say Confessions is Usher's Thriller.
hm
Not sure if I?d make this comparison
:dead:
Quote from: Scott. on November 21, 2018, 12:58:50 PM
Confessions was a good album but l swear people give it more than it needs to be given. I prefer 8701.
But when an album sells very high, people swear it?s the best one and l honestly don?t think it was his best
Quote from: Kurama on November 21, 2018, 10:50:02 AM
Ds
Yall terrible. Give this nigga his flowers he's legend.
I?m crying :plzstop:
Like :uhh:
Yeah I prefer 8701
Yeah 8701 was LIFE
Quote from: au naturale on November 21, 2018, 01:34:10 PM
Quote from: Lazarus on November 21, 2018, 01:32:28 PM
Yeah I prefer 8701
Just the whole vibe :stressed:
From start to finish. :'(
:stressed:
Confessions is overrated,imo.
Not TOO much on 'fessions tho
Yeah Confessions was better
Love 8701, but Confessions just has so many good songs
Throwback
Superstar
Caught Up
Can U Handle It
Follow Me
Seduction
Take Ur Hand
That?s What It?s Made For
Do It To Me
:gorlonfire:
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 01:04:49 PM
I don?t use Usher outside of that It?s 7 o clock on the dot I?m in my drop top song and 4 others
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop:
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
This was in Australia just now btw
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqa9fIxDQ2M/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=abwjz5m07usr
This is what I?m talkin bout
Can you girls be hon? for ONCE?
This is a festival mess
Lil Jon, T-Pain, Salt N? Pepa, Trey Songs and Naughty by Nature
Can he do it by HIMSELF which is what I clearly said in my original post?
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 09:05:35 AM
I can?t think of single iconic MOMENT besides Let It Burn
The girls are confused. They think album sales makes someone legendary :uhh: like you said he doesn?t have an iconic moment or something people can see or hear and think ?That?s so Usher? this nigger is no ones legend and that?s just the bottom line.
Well I?d say that Chris Brown is like a hybrid of Usher in a sense
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
This was in Australia just now btw
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqa9fIxDQ2M/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=abwjz5m07usr
This is what I?m talkin bout
Can you girls be hon? for ONCE?
This is a festival mess
Lil Jon, T-Pain, Salt N? Pepa, Trey Songs and Naughty by Nature
Can he do it by HIMSELF which is what I clearly said in my original post?
He clearly is HEADLINING the festival
that?s like saying Beyonc? didn?t headline Coachella because it?s also a festival
No ones not and that has nothing to do with anything
Quote from: Scott. on November 21, 2018, 02:28:40 PM
Well I?d say that Chris Brown is like a hybrid of Usher in a sense
as is Ne-Yo, Omarion, Mario, Trey, Jason Derulo etc
I didn?t say it had nothing to do with anything seeing as though my post wasn?t in response to what you said to begin with
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
This was in Australia just now btw
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqa9fIxDQ2M/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=abwjz5m07usr
This is what I?m talkin bout
Can you girls be hon? for ONCE?
This is a festival mess
Lil Jon, T-Pain, Salt N? Pepa, Trey Songs and Naughty by Nature
Can he do it by HIMSELF which is what I clearly said in my original post?
He clearly is HEADLINING the festival
that?s like saying Beyonc? didn?t headline Coachella because it?s also a festival
Right
N
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 01:46:30 PM
Love 8701, but Confessions just has so many good songs
Throwback
Superstar
Caught Up
Can U Handle It
Follow Me
Seduction
Take Ur Hand
That?s What It?s Made For
Do It To Me
:gorlonfire:
Yeah, not much to debate honestly. Salty selves.
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
This was in Australia just now btw
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqa9fIxDQ2M/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=abwjz5m07usr
This is what I?m talkin bout
Can you girls be hon? for ONCE?
This is a festival mess
Lil Jon, T-Pain, Salt N? Pepa, Trey Songs and Naughty by Nature
Can he do it by HIMSELF which is what I clearly said in my original post?
He clearly is HEADLINING the festival
that?s like saying Beyonc? didn?t headline Coachella because it?s also a festival
CoachellaBeyonce has done a solo stadium tour
Not the best example
Quote from: Choke on November 20, 2018, 05:15:19 PM
I don?t know tbh
I feel like if you can?t do a stadium mess on your own
You ain?t a legend, sor
I STILL don?t know guys
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 02:34:08 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
This was in Australia just now btw
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqa9fIxDQ2M/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=abwjz5m07usr
This is what I?m talkin bout
Can you girls be hon? for ONCE?
This is a festival mess
Lil Jon, T-Pain, Salt N? Pepa, Trey Songs and Naughty by Nature
Can he do it by HIMSELF which is what I clearly said in my original post?
He clearly is HEADLINING the festival
that?s like saying Beyonc? didn?t headline Coachella because it?s also a festival
Right
N
F
What do you mean RIGHT!
as if Bey didnt just have a whole stadium tour :uhh: :plzstop:
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 02:50:10 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
This was in Australia just now btw
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqa9fIxDQ2M/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=abwjz5m07usr
This is what I?m talkin bout
Can you girls be hon? for ONCE?
This is a festival mess
Lil Jon, T-Pain, Salt N? Pepa, Trey Songs and Naughty by Nature
Can he do it by HIMSELF which is what I clearly said in my original post?
He clearly is HEADLINING the festival
that?s like saying Beyonc? didn?t headline Coachella because it?s also a festival
Coachella
Beyonce has done a solo stadium tour
Not the best example
what does a tour have to do with comparing 2 festivals?
Usher is the biggest artist at his festival and booked stadiums with it
Bey did the same with hers
So we really are gonna act like Naughty By Nature and T-Pain got ppl to the venues instead of Usher?
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
So we really are gonna act like Naughty By Nature and T-Pain got ppl to the venues instead of Usher?
yes.
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 02:58:29 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
So we really are gonna act like Naughty By Nature and T-Pain got ppl to the venues instead of Usher?
yes.
Hey bro, Mariah can?t fill a stadium either
I?m just confused why you keep bringing up Coachella
but yeah, I'll give Ush' icon.
Legend is a whole other plane.
Because it?s a festival like you brought up
but ppl were still there to mainly see 1 artist headline
Usher is an icon and legend
Stop y?all shit
Quote from: ScottR. Kelly will always eclipse Usher in EVERYTHING.
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 03:01:10 PM
Because it?s a festival like you brought up
but ppl were still there to mainly see 1 artist headline
I said he can?t fill a stadium by himself
Then that pic was posted as if to somehow say he could, when in fact it was a festival
Bringing up Coachella makes no sense when she has already done a solo stadium tour
Coachella was just another performance for her :dead:
Icon yes
He hasn?t done anything memorable or innovative
He?ll, I?d say Chris has done more to be remembered than Usher has.
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 03:00:04 PM
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 02:58:29 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
So we really are gonna act like Naughty By Nature and T-Pain got ppl to the venues instead of Usher?
yes.
Hey bro, Mariah can?t fill a stadium either
true.
Call me when usher sees her in career sales And has songs that rechart.
<3
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 03:06:43 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 03:01:10 PM
Because it?s a festival like you brought up
but ppl were still there to mainly see 1 artist headline
I said he can?t fill a stadium by himself
Then that pic was posted as if to somehow say he could, when in fact it was a festival
Bringing up Coachella makes no sense when she has already done a solo stadium tour
Coachella was just another performance for her :dead:
Who cares if it?s just another performance she was the main attraction at her festival
as is Usher at his period
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 03:00:04 PM
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 02:58:29 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
So we really are gonna act like Naughty By Nature and T-Pain got ppl to the venues instead of Usher?
yes.
Hey bro, Mariah can?t fill a stadium either
true.
Call me when usher sees her in career sales And has songs that rechart.
<3
Text me when Riah?s Voice comes back or when any of her albums sells 10 million in SALES not shipments
This VMA mess
People are there to see Trey and Lil Jon
Call me when Usher can fill a stadium by himself
:plzstop: usher will never have a song as big as Mariah's.
Ever
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 03:21:16 PM
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 03:00:04 PM
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 02:58:29 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
So we really are gonna act like Naughty By Nature and T-Pain got ppl to the venues instead of Usher?
yes.
Hey bro, Mariah can?t fill a stadium either
true.
Call me when usher sees her in career sales And has songs that rechart.
<3
Text me when Riah?s Voice comes back or when any of her albums sells 10 million in SALES not shipments
Even if that were the case its still WAY MORE than Ulcer
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 03:32:52 PM
:plzstop: usher will never have a song as big as Mariah's.
Damn, yeah.
Like who is saying Usher is their favorite artist in 2018?
I?d question if I was 2004
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 03:32:39 PM
This VMA mess
People are there to see Trey and Lil Jon
Call me when Usher can fill a stadium by himself
Jon was just the DJ on Ushers set
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 03:21:16 PM
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 03:00:04 PM
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 02:58:29 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
So we really are gonna act like Naughty By Nature and T-Pain got ppl to the venues instead of Usher?
yes.
Hey bro, Mariah can?t fill a stadium either
true.
Call me when usher sees her in career sales And has songs that rechart.
<3
Text me when Riah?s Voice comes back or when any of her albums sells 10 million in SALES not shipments
Even if that were the case its still WAY MORE than Ulcer
if what were the case? She?s never had a legit Diamond album
and she only has 5 Grammys to Usher?s 8
and she can?t sing anymore
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 03:32:52 PM
:plzstop: usher will never have a song as big as Mariah's.
which song? Because Yeah! Is up there with WBT
not yeah :dead:
bhjjnnbcddcghhhjjjjjmmm
Yeah the song that spent 12 weeks at #1
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeenQpDFoyb/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1f4qsy9x28igk
Quote from: au naturale on November 21, 2018, 03:49:51 PM
is it really rape if he says thank you after he's done :unsure:
No
He sounds like a gentleman
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
This was in Australia just now btw
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqa9fIxDQ2M/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=abwjz5m07usr
This is what I?m talkin bout
Can you girls be hon? for ONCE?
This is a festival mess
Lil Jon, T-Pain, Salt N? Pepa, Trey Songs and Naughty by Nature
Can he do it by HIMSELF which is what I clearly said in my original post?
WELP!
Quote from: 4 fucking k on November 21, 2018, 02:26:23 PM
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 09:05:35 AM
I can?t think of single iconic MOMENT besides Let It Burn
The girls are confused. They think album sales makes someone legendary :uhh: like you said he doesn?t have an iconic moment or something people can see or hear and think ?That?s so Usher? this nigger is no ones legend and that?s just the bottom line.
EXACTLY!!!!!! Idgaf what his album sold. There aint SHIT legendary about him. R. Kelly's PISS is more legendary than usher. :dead:
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:56:13 PM
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 02:50:10 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
This was in Australia just now btw
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqa9fIxDQ2M/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=abwjz5m07usr
This is what I?m talkin bout
Can you girls be hon? for ONCE?
This is a festival mess
Lil Jon, T-Pain, Salt N? Pepa, Trey Songs and Naughty by Nature
Can he do it by HIMSELF which is what I clearly said in my original post?
He clearly is HEADLINING the festival
that?s like saying Beyonc? didn?t headline Coachella because it?s also a festival
Coachella
Beyonce has done a solo stadium tour
Not the best example
what does a tour have to do with comparing 2 festivals?
Usher is the biggest artist at his festival and booked stadiums with it
Bey did the same with hers
If he can't book a stadium alone, u saying he's" the biggest artist" means absolutely nothing :dead:
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RNB Friday Live is an annual concert series held in Australia. The series was co-founded by Hits Radio Network and Frontier Touring in 2016.[1] The event features several stages featuring musical artists from many genres of music, including R&B, hip hop, electronic dance music, and pop. The concert series are held in venues across Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Adelaide, and Perth.[2]
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
So we really are gonna act like Naughty By Nature and T-Pain got ppl to the venues instead of Usher?
Where is usher's SOLO stadium tour if that's the case :plzstop:
Just because u dont value these other artists dont mean shit :kii:
Quote from: Poseidon on November 21, 2018, 03:06:36 PM
Quote from: ScottR. Kelly will always eclipse Usher in EVERYTHING.
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 03:58:46 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:56:13 PM
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 02:50:10 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:29:16 PM
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 02:20:41 PM
Quote from: Young on November 21, 2018, 12:14:06 PM
This was in Australia just now btw
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqa9fIxDQ2M/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=abwjz5m07usr
This is what I?m talkin bout
Can you girls be hon? for ONCE?
This is a festival mess
Lil Jon, T-Pain, Salt N? Pepa, Trey Songs and Naughty by Nature
Can he do it by HIMSELF which is what I clearly said in my original post?
He clearly is HEADLINING the festival
that?s like saying Beyonc? didn?t headline Coachella because it?s also a festival
Coachella
Beyonce has done a solo stadium tour
Not the best example
what does a tour have to do with comparing 2 festivals?
Usher is the biggest artist at his festival and booked stadiums with it
Bey did the same with hers
If he can't book a stadium alone, u saying he's" the biggest artist" means absolutely nothing :dead:
well that sounds dumb because the other artists are clearly like opening acts
Like DJ Khalid on the Formation and OTR tours
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 03:12:53 PM
Icon yes
He hasn?t done anything memorable or innovative
He?ll, I?d say Chris has done more to be remembered than Usher has.
And id agree tbh. Chris>>>>>usher
SOR'!
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 03:21:16 PM
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 03:15:00 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 03:00:04 PM
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 02:58:29 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
So we really are gonna act like Naughty By Nature and T-Pain got ppl to the venues instead of Usher?
yes.
Hey bro, Mariah can?t fill a stadium either
true.
Call me when usher sees her in career sales And has songs that rechart.
<3
Text me when Riah?s Voice comes back or when any of her albums sells 10 million in SALES not shipments
Well SHIT
:guys:
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:00:01 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
So we really are gonna act like Naughty By Nature and T-Pain got ppl to the venues instead of Usher?
Where is usher's SOLO stadium tour if that's the case :plzstop:
Just because u dont value these other artists dont mean shit :kii:
This kinda is a solo stadium tour because it?s in multiple places around Australia
and me not valuing the artist is irrelevant
none of them have sold as much or have the hits or awards that Usher has
:cheerup:
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:01:21 PM
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 03:12:53 PM
Icon yes
He hasn?t done anything memorable or innovative
He?ll, I?d say Chris has done more to be remembered than Usher has.
And id agree tbh. Chris>>>>>usher
SOR'!
and Chris doesn?t agree, nor does Soundscan/ RIAA the Grammys Billboard etc
but cool
Quote from: Zanny on November 21, 2018, 03:47:35 PM
not yeah :dead:
Im sorry but :plzstop:
Even his biggest songs are a joke. Usher doesnt have a song like mariah's that will stand the test of time. Hate em bof but facts is facts
Usher has multiple songs that have already stood the test of time
You girls were trying to hoodwink us with that pic.
Trying to make us think it was a solo mess when it wasn?t
(https://img.youtube.com/vi/kRFZYAw_D38/0.jpg)
Look! Can fill a Stad?, Legend!
Just be hon?, that?s all I?m asking
Usher doesnt have a i will always love you, vision of love, man in the mirror, I believe i can fly, My heart Will Go On, etc. Im sorry but you got it bad and YEAH just dont measure up to those kinda songs. :dead:
When Trey wants to teach ppl to sing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJkERtQaPSE
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:09:21 PM
Usher doesnt have a i will always love you, vision of love, man in the mirror, I believe i can fly, My heart Will Go On, etc. Im sorry but you got it bad and YEAH just dont measure up to those kinda songs. :dead:
in YOUR opinion
the general public thinks otherwise
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:09:21 PM
Usher doesnt have a i will always love you, vision of love, man in the mirror, I believe i can fly, My heart Will Go On, Angel of Mine, etc. Im sorry but you got it bad and YEAH just dont measure up to those kinda songs. :dead:
well when you spell it out like that :ohwow:
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 04:08:30 PM
You girls were trying to hoodwink us with that pic.
Trying to make us think it was a solo mess when it wasn?t
(https://img.youtube.com/vi/kRFZYAw_D38/0.jpg)
Look! Can fill a Stad?, Legend!
Just be hon?, that?s all I?m asking
i low-key knew it wasnt his alone. Firstly, IT'S USHER :dead:
I just didn't feel like fact checking it.
Quote from: Choke on November 21, 2018, 04:08:30 PM
You girls were trying to hoodwink us with that pic.
Trying to make us think it was a solo mess when it wasn?t
(https://img.youtube.com/vi/kRFZYAw_D38/0.jpg)
Look! Can fill a Stad?, Legend!
Just be hon?, that?s all I?m asking
:omgwatshappening:
These niggas is his sons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPNyHSuXD8E
These songs from the 90s being sung word for word by a crowd in 2014?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yNARvkVftw
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:09:21 PM
Usher doesnt have a i will always love you, vision of love, man in the mirror, I believe i can fly, My heart Will Go On, etc. Im sorry but you got it bad and YEAH just dont measure up to those kinda songs. :dead:
in YOUR opinion
Well whos else's opinion would i be giving :uhh:
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:09:21 PM
Usher doesnt have a i will always love you, vision of love, man in the mirror, I believe i can fly, My heart Will Go On, etc. Im sorry but you got it bad and YEAH just dont measure up to those kinda songs. :dead:
its not even up for debate :plzstop:
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:20:40 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:09:21 PM
Usher doesnt have a i will always love you, vision of love, man in the mirror, I believe i can fly, My heart Will Go On, etc. Im sorry but you got it bad and YEAH just dont measure up to those kinda songs. :dead:
in YOUR opinion
Well whos else's opinion would i be giving :uhh:
:dead:
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:20:40 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:09:21 PM
Usher doesnt have a i will always love you, vision of love, man in the mirror, I believe i can fly, My heart Will Go On, etc. Im sorry but you got it bad and YEAH just dont measure up to those kinda songs. :dead:
in YOUR opinion
Well whos else's opinion would i be giving :uhh:
you didn?t frame that post as an opinion :dead:
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 04:20:48 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:09:21 PM
Usher doesnt have a i will always love you, vision of love, man in the mirror, I believe i can fly, My heart Will Go On, etc. Im sorry but you got it bad and YEAH just dont measure up to those kinda songs. :dead:
its not even up for debate :plzstop:
yea it is
the only difference is the other songs have been out longer because those artists are older :plzstop:
Quote from: Baph James. on November 21, 2018, 04:20:48 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:09:21 PM
Usher doesnt have a i will always love you, vision of love, man in the mirror, I believe i can fly, My heart Will Go On, etc. Im sorry but you got it bad and YEAH just dont measure up to those kinda songs. :dead:
its not even up for debate :plzstop:
12 WEEKS!Idgaf if that shit spent a fckn yr at #1. The boy's songs arent legendary and neither tf is he :dead:
wow yeah Usher is a legend
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:20:40 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:09:21 PM
Usher doesnt have a i will always love you, vision of love, man in the mirror, I believe i can fly, My heart Will Go On, etc. Im sorry but you got it bad and YEAH just dont measure up to those kinda songs. :dead:
in YOUR opinion
Well whos else's opinion would i be giving :uhh:
you didn?t frame that post as an opinion :dead:
How tf could it ever be fact :uhh:
None of this shit said in here is fact. CLEARLY it's all opinion :dead:
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:37:59 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:20:40 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:09:21 PM
Usher doesnt have a i will always love you, vision of love, man in the mirror, I believe i can fly, My heart Will Go On, etc. Im sorry but you got it bad and YEAH just dont measure up to those kinda songs. :dead:
in YOUR opinion
Well whos else's opinion would i be giving :uhh:
you didn?t frame that post as an opinion :dead:
How tf could it ever be fact :uhh:
None of this shit said in here is fact
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:04:46 PM
Quote from: Zanny on November 21, 2018, 03:47:35 PM
not yeah :dead:
Im sorry but :plzstop:
Even his biggest songs are a joke. Usher doesnt have a song like mariah's that will stand the test of time. Hate em bof but facts is facts
But here you?re clearly stating that stuff is fact
which is it? :plzstop:
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 04:39:39 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:37:59 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 04:24:41 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:20:40 PM
Quote from: 12 Nights of Molesting Flopped on November 21, 2018, 04:10:55 PM
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:09:21 PM
Usher doesnt have a i will always love you, vision of love, man in the mirror, I believe i can fly, My heart Will Go On, etc. Im sorry but you got it bad and YEAH just dont measure up to those kinda songs. :dead:
in YOUR opinion
Well whos else's opinion would i be giving :uhh:
you didn?t frame that post as an opinion :dead:
How tf could it ever be fact :uhh:
None of this shit said in here is fact
Quote from: Vonc2002 on November 21, 2018, 04:04:46 PM
Quote from: Zanny on November 21, 2018, 03:47:35 PM
not yeah :dead:
Im sorry but :plzstop:
Even his biggest songs are a joke. Usher doesnt have a song like mariah's that will stand the test of time. Hate em bof but facts is facts
But here you?re clearly stating that stuff is fact
which is it? :plzstop:
Clearly i was exaggerating and being an asshole like we all are and ALWAYS are here. We're all adults and understand what fact and opinion are. I didn't think i had to preface each of my responses with a "just joking" disclaimer :uhh:
You?re not joking though, apparently it?s your honest opinion :uhh:
It is my opinion that usher isn't a legend but how could that ever be fact? :uhh:
Because ur an adult and i just assume u know what an actual fact is, i shouldnt have to explain that my statement is an opinion. And when i use the word fact for something that CLEARLY isn't u should just kinda catch on to wtf it is I'm doing. Jesus :uhh:
Quote from: Xavier on November 21, 2018, 05:04:40 PM
This is actually a good argument.
How can we determine which of our faves are legends and which ones have more work to do before they reach that status?
We need a whole separate thread for this.
True. Usher hasnt made the cut but who else can we discuss
(http://www.mtv.co.uk/sites/default/files/styles/image-w-760-scale/public/mtv_uk/galleries/large/2016/03/16/tumblr_n6k20ances1qd8zg3o1_500.gif?itok=gqiRAXLA)
Quote from: Xavier on November 21, 2018, 05:04:40 PM
This is actually a good argument.
How can we determine which of our faves are legends and which ones have more work to do before they reach that status?
We need a whole separate thread for this.
Create a separate thread.
Quote from: Lazarus on November 21, 2018, 06:30:41 PM
Quote from: Xavier on November 21, 2018, 05:04:40 PM
This is actually a good argument.
How can we determine which of our faves are legends and which ones have more work to do before they reach that status?
We need a whole separate thread for this.
Create a separate thread.
I was going to make a thread something like the one he suggested
Quote from: Scott. on November 21, 2018, 06:41:28 PM
Quote from: Lazarus on November 21, 2018, 06:30:41 PM
Quote from: Xavier on November 21, 2018, 05:04:40 PM
This is actually a good argument.
How can we determine which of our faves are legends and which ones have more work to do before they reach that status?
We need a whole separate thread for this.
Create a separate thread.
I was going to make a thread something like the one he suggested
You should do it, Scotty.