the way they are scalping each other :uhh: how is this for kids :uhh: :uhh: :uhh:
omg "destroy their evil race until theres not a trace"
isnt that. omg
My friends and I just watched this past weekend, the way they just watered down the killings, diseases, rapes, etc. This movie is problematic!
:dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:
Quote from: southside vicious on November 29, 2018, 10:34:51 PM
Quote from: BowDown on November 29, 2018, 09:49:24 PM
My friends and I just watched this past weekend, the way they just watered down the killings, diseases, rapes, etc. This movie is problematic!
:dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:
The element of racism was definitely there. That in itself got a strong message across.
Even if you REALLY listen to the lyrics of Colors of the Wind, it's reading White people for filth - with a beautiful melody.
The song in itself says a lot of the injustices and issues White people brought to this land.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbuzskVs6rc
But I mean you can't include rape scenes in a movie made for kids.
Why not? They were so blunt with everything else.
:woohoo:
The movie was very real in the sense of the things they were saying and the hatred the groups had for each other tho.
Did they have a white woman voice Pocahontas
Jcjjdjdjdjsjsdjdjdjksjsjs MESS!
Wish they would?ve let Queen got raped properly
Show the whites who they are and will always be
Quote from: 1RIG on November 29, 2018, 11:06:48 PM
Did they have a white woman voice Pocahontas
Nope.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Irene_Bedard.jpg)
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 08:20:33 AM
Irene Bedard is not White.
She is of multiple Native ancestries mixed with Metis.
Could easily pass as Hispanic here in NYC.
I thought he asked if they had a Native American voice her. She?s not white.
:plzstop:
ndbdjddeehrrrrrrff
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQoIqwNjb1G/
Poco? didn?t look anything like the cartoon.
:udontlookok:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Pocahontas_by_Simon_van_de_Passe_1616.jpg)
Ive never heard of Native American women being sexualized. Only Black women and then Asian women associated with the shy, submissive mess
Quote from: Freeruu on November 30, 2018, 08:27:03 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQoIqwNjb1G/
She's so stunning. :stressed:
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 08:32:29 AM
Ive never heard of Native American women being sexualized. Only Black women and then Asian women associated with the shy, submissive mess
!!!
But I think it was all about the White man taming the "exotical beast"
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Quote from: Freeruu on November 30, 2018, 08:27:03 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQoIqwNjb1G/
She's so stunning. :stressed:
!!! :gorlonfire:
Kinda need to get into quee more
Who dismissed it
:guys:
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 08:23:37 AM
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Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 08:20:33 AM
Irene Bedard is not White.
She is of multiple Native ancestries mixed with Metis.
Could easily pass as Hispanic here in NYC.
I thought he asked if they had a Native American voice her. She?s not white.
:plzstop:
omjpnihobu
I was about to say. Gor...she clearly ain't a pastie gal
nnnnn i was asking cuz Disney?s known to PULL it
Especially back then. Princess jasmine and all of em sounded like whole ass white girls
I don?t think that would fly these days
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 08:40:06 AM
Quote from: Twisted Elegance on November 30, 2018, 08:36:09 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 08:32:29 AM
Ive never heard of Native American women being sexualized. Only Black women and then Asian women associated with the shy, submissive mess
!!!
But I think it was all about the White man taming the "exotical beast"
You have to think about it.
A lot of people associate Indian heritage with physical features.
High cheekbones, hair, skin.
"Oh! That's just the Indian in my family that's why I'm so exoticals. lmao!!"
Sexualization of Native people is a real thing. Don't dismiss it until you at least look into it a bit.
I dont think that sexualization though, that?s just plain old self hatred.
Those are just features that Black people want to claim are the result of them being something other than Black.
Sexualization is the small asian women in porn taking BBC while giggling and acting coy, not knowing how to speak english and just being objects to use. And the whole Spanish Lolita thing. There are whole studies about asian women being sexually objectified and the asian men being shunned for the same things. ?soft spoken, feminine, small dicks, etc? Nothing like that exists about Native American women. They just have ?good hair.? Those costumes, they also design rabbit costumes like that for women. women want to look sexy in halloween outfits regardless of the theme.
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 08:58:25 AM
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Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 08:23:37 AM
Quote from: BowDown on November 30, 2018, 08:22:33 AM
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 08:20:33 AM
Irene Bedard is not White.
She is of multiple Native ancestries mixed with Metis.
Could easily pass as Hispanic here in NYC.
I thought he asked if they had a Native American voice her. She?s not white.
:plzstop:
omjpnihobu
I was about to say. Gor...she clearly ain't a pastie gal
nnnnn i was asking cuz Disney?s known to PULL it
Especially back then. Princess jasmine and all of em sounded like whole ass white girls
I don?t think that would fly these days
The movie is actually pretty good. And very true to history.
I know people who are actually within the Native community probably hate it but I love it. :omf:
That could just be me being a typical American though.
I was shocked that Disney kinda took it there with the racism mess.
And Colors of the Wind is such a pretty song :stressed:
(Vanessa's version)
oh no i agree! I was simply talking about the actresses they hired to voice the characters
Between this and hunchback omg sdddff so dark
Yh Native Americans weren't really racially sexualised the way black/Latina/Asian women were/are.
Black women were objectified as overly sexual, big butts, breasts and lips, breeding stock for future slaves.
Asian women because they're small, submissive, coy and petite
Latina women as overly sexual, spicy, akin to white women but more sexual.
White men had a pendance for defiling, raping anything that was forgien, it was there's for the taking.
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 09:20:02 AM
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Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 08:32:29 AM
Ive never heard of Native American women being sexualized. Only Black women and then Asian women associated with the shy, submissive mess
!!!
But I think it was all about the White man taming the "exotical beast"
You have to think about it.
A lot of people associate Indian heritage with physical features.
High cheekbones, hair, skin.
"Oh! That's just the Indian in my family that's why I'm so exoticals. lmao!!"
Sexualization of Native people is a real thing. Don't dismiss it until you at least look into it a bit.
I dont think that sexualization though, that?s just plain old self hatred.
Those are just features that Black people want to claim are the result of them being something other than Black.
Sexualization is the small asian women in porn taking BBC while giggling and acting coy, not knowing how to speak english and just being objects to use. And the whole Spanish Lolita thing. There are whole studies about asian women being sexually objectified and the asian men being shunned for the same things. ?soft spoken, feminine, small dicks, etc? Nothing like that exists about Native American women. They just have ?good hair.? Those costumes, they also design rabbit costumes like that for women. women want to look sexy in halloween outfits regardless of the theme.
To compare fake Indian regalia to a bunny costume is not fair at all.
It makes very little sense to me.
Firstly, it's appropriating culture. You don't do that by popping on bunny ears. Secondly, it's imitating a group of PEOPLE. Not ANIMALS.
They design women?s Halloween costumes to be sexy regardless of the theme. Did that make sense?
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 09:32:54 AM
And claiming Indian mess to make someone more exotical is NOT a "Black self hatred" thing.
That is one of the biggest misconceptions within the Black community.
Plenty of White people do the same thing.
Claiming their great grandparent was a Cherokee Princess to make their family seem more exotical.
When no one mistakes them or their family for anything but White in real life.
It makes them feel special. Spicier. Not your "typical White person".
That is not self hatred, it is wanting to be different and edgy in some way.
:plzstop: oh ok sure
Poca' need a live action version tbh
I really don?t understand how ppl let their teeth get lashed by smoking, wine, alcohol or coffee
Like eww
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 08:40:06 AM
Quote from: Twisted Elegance on November 30, 2018, 08:36:09 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 08:32:29 AM
Ive never heard of Native American women being sexualized. Only Black women and then Asian women associated with the shy, submissive mess
!!!
But I think it was all about the White man taming the "exotical beast"
"Oh! That's just the Indian in my family that's why I'm so exoticals. lmao!!"
White people do this? Bye.
Quote from: Glock on November 30, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
I really don?t understand how ppl let their teeth get lashed by smoking, wine, alcohol or coffee
Like eww
n
u just simply run behind the mess and LASH it with some toothpaste and a toothbrush hun
And the physical characteristic of CHEEKBONES is actually counterproductive in regardless to sexualizing a woman. Strong cheekbones usually read very masculine.
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 09:38:55 AM
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 08:40:06 AM
Quote from: Twisted Elegance on November 30, 2018, 08:36:09 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 08:32:29 AM
Ive never heard of Native American women being sexualized. Only Black women and then Asian women associated with the shy, submissive mess
!!!
But I think it was all about the White man taming the "exotical beast"
"Oh! That's just the Indian in my family that's why I'm so exoticals. lmao!!"
White people do this? Bye.
Honey you know damn well that?s not the same as Black people and Indian hair. This random anomaly doesn?t trump what I KNOW you understand about Blacks wanting to be everything but.
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 09:43:01 AM
That video of Elizabeth is EXACTLY what Black people say.
"Those cheekbones! The hair! It's the Indian in the family!!!"
Stop giving White people a pass on their nonsense and making everything a Black specific issue.
Native women are not sexualized.
That?s the bottom line.
Hair! face bones!!
Yea that sure gets the hormones racing
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 09:21:41 AM
And that's the problem. Too many times Indians are reduced to an AESTHETIC. The fact that you could really compare something like fake regalia to a fucking bunny costume speaks volumes.
You?re the one who provided fuckin HALLOWEEN COSTUMES to convince us that people fetishize Native Americans :plzstop:
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 09:49:09 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 09:47:58 AM
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 09:43:01 AM
That video of Elizabeth is EXACTLY what Black people say.
"Those cheekbones! The hair! It's the Indian in the family!!!"
Stop giving White people a pass on their nonsense and making everything a Black specific issue.
Native women are not sexualized.
That?s the bottom line.
I'm sorry but that's your opinion. There is plenty of evidence that says otherwise.
Like halloween costumes, bet. have a good morning sis
Quote from: Young on November 30, 2018, 09:40:00 AM
Quote from: Glock on November 30, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
I really don?t understand how ppl let their teeth get lashed by smoking, wine, alcohol or coffee
Like eww
n
u just simply run behind the mess and LASH it with some toothpaste and a toothbrush hun
what :uhh:
This iconic song :stressed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fATrACFZynY
Quote from: Glock on November 30, 2018, 09:57:43 AM
Quote from: Young on November 30, 2018, 09:40:00 AM
Quote from: Glock on November 30, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
I really don?t understand how ppl let their teeth get lashed by smoking, wine, alcohol or coffee
Like eww
n
u just simply run behind the mess and LASH it with some toothpaste and a toothbrush hun
what :uhh:
Brush your teeth after certain activities
u okay :uhh:
:ummwhat: i thought this was ant 'cahontas
Quote from: Young on November 30, 2018, 10:00:00 AM
Quote from: Glock on November 30, 2018, 09:57:43 AM
Quote from: Young on November 30, 2018, 09:40:00 AM
Quote from: Glock on November 30, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
I really don?t understand how ppl let their teeth get lashed by smoking, wine, alcohol or coffee
Like eww
n
u just simply run behind the mess and LASH it with some toothpaste and a toothbrush hun
what :uhh:
Brush your teeth after certain activities
u okay :uhh:
That?s what I?m saying boy
I?m saying I don?t know how girls allow their teeth to go to shit
Also i can?t brush after wine
It ruins ur shit
Unless you?re eating while drinking
Im.in tears
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 09:39:56 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 09:38:55 AM
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 08:40:06 AM
Quote from: Twisted Elegance on November 30, 2018, 08:36:09 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 08:32:29 AM
Ive never heard of Native American women being sexualized. Only Black women and then Asian women associated with the shy, submissive mess
!!!
But I think it was all about the White man taming the "exotical beast"
"Oh! That's just the Indian in my family that's why I'm so exoticals. lmao!!"
White people do this? Bye.
mdmdnddffffffffffff
Claim it Queen!!
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 09:55:20 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 09:48:42 AM
Hair! face bones!!
Yea that sure gets the hormones racing
You're not getting it.
It's the entire "exotical-ization" of Indians that is damaging.
Your typical American Indian woman does NOT look like Pocahontas. And tbh many Natives are not "sexy" shaped, and probably have one of the least "desirable" body types.
I just sat here and said that my great grandmother looked NOTHING like that. She could pass as a whole man. Not some sexy "Cherokee Princess".
And I'd say African men and women have the "best" or "sexiest" natural bodies, if we're getting into what is truth. But that is my opinion.
So why are Native women promoted in such a "sexy" way?
This is what I am getting at. It's the promotion of "exotical-ization" .
Where are Native women promoted in a sexual way Afro? The cartoon movie and the Halloween costumes? Where?
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 09:40:30 AM
And the physical characteristic of CHEEKBONES is actually counterproductive in regardless to sexualizing a woman. Strong cheekbones usually read very masculine.
!!! that isn't a submissive, feminine sexual thing
We were watching some dark but real ass shit. For the 20mins I watched Notre Damn didn't they have an old white man about to rape tha gypsy girl?
Cartoons been trying to warn us about the evils of white men lolz
Quote from: Kurama on November 30, 2018, 12:16:32 PM
We were watching some dark but real ass shit. For the 20mins I watched Notre Damn didn't they have an old white man about to rape tha gypsy girl?
Cartoons been trying to warn us about the evils of white men lolz
!!!!!
He couldn't have her, so he tried to KILL her!
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 12:21:34 PM
Quote from: Twisted Elegance on November 30, 2018, 11:58:45 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 09:40:30 AM
And the physical characteristic of CHEEKBONES is actually counterproductive in regardless to sexualizing a woman. Strong cheekbones usually read very masculine.
!!! that isn't a submissive, feminine sexual thing
See above post.
You said you weren't dismissing the fact that Natives are sexualized.
huh?
I agreed with Lonz that I didn't know NA women were sexualized, I also agreed that even that they were, it wasn't as other were women historically
But I also agree that "high cheekbones" is a facial feature that's commonly found to be an attractive feature no matter the ethnicity, it's not exclusive to any ethnicity, let alone Native Americans, it isn't a sexual thing.
When men look at women they're not looking for High Cheekbones :dead: unless they're about to cast them in a Versace shoot mess
How are women with box shapes and hard facial features sexualized?
Exotical-ized and sexualized are NOT THE SAME THING
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 11:12:35 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 11:06:25 AM
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 09:55:20 AM
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 09:48:42 AM
Hair! face bones!!
Yea that sure gets the hormones racing
You're not getting it.
It's the entire "exotical-ization" of Indians that is damaging.
Your typical American Indian woman does NOT look like Pocahontas. And tbh many Natives are not "sexy" shaped, and probably have one of the least "desirable" body types.
I just sat here and said that my great grandmother looked NOTHING like that. She could pass as a whole man. Not some sexy "Cherokee Princess".
And I'd say African men and women have the "best" or "sexiest" natural bodies, if we're getting into what is truth. But that is my opinion.
So why are Native women promoted in such a "sexy" way?
This is what I am getting at. It's the promotion of "exotical-ization" .
Where are Native women promoted in a sexual way Afro? The cartoon movie and the Halloween costumes? Where?
What you are thinking of is Native women actually PARTICIPATING in the promotion of sexualization
The same way that we see Latinas or Black women actually lending their bodies and images to it.
You seem to be on a quest for that type of example.
But it is different in this case.
The "exoticification" of Natives has not gone unnoticed, Lonz! OMG I am actually surprised you are just now hearing of this. It's been noted!
Marketing the Exotic: Creating the Image of the ?Real? Indian
Some excerpts:
QuoteDefenseless to the marketing of their race, Native Americans became ?other? to the white man; their exotic qualities were now a sellable commodity.
QuoteThrough advertisements, the image of the Native American was transformed into the exotic, and marketed to consumers.
http://chronicles.dickinson.edu/studentwork/indian/8_marketing.htm
Exotic as in, not of this land. The real definition. Not something about vanity and/or sex.
that?s why they said TRANSFORMED because of the irony. they were the ones here first now they?re exotic to it?
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 11:55:55 AM
The words "Sexy Native American" together in itself is sexualization of a PEOPLE.
No, it?s definitely a mockery of sorts, but the sexualization is still absent. ?Sexy?, in that case, is descriptive of the garment/costume, not Natives :uhh:
It?s booty shorts and a crop top themed after traditional Native attire. That?s what?s sexy about it.
I literally just googled ?sexy nun costume? and wow wow wow.
Are nuns sexualized?
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 12:49:17 PM
You are being disrespectful and very dismissive at this point and I'm done with the conversation.
How? You gave me sexy Halloween costumes to prove how Natives are looked at as sex objects because the costumes exist.
I found nun costumes it that doesn?t mean people look at nuns as sex objects because some costumes exist.
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 12:47:23 PM
O M F G.
You are acting like a real WHITE person right now with the obliviousness and DISMISSAL of real struggle.
Lonz, you have to be fucking KIDDING me.
Look into this further before you move to DISMISS.
Are these women PROTESTING Native sexualization "sexy"?
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/6f8fac64ff5edb7eaeb7fdd77d9d7c4c/tumblr_pj0p9mRGIp1qfrpiko1_1280.png)
Stop selling costumes that sexualize Indigenous women
Three weeks ago, I was threatened with arrest for presenting a petition with more than 14,000 signatures on it to a Halloween-costume maker. Yandy, a Phoenix, Arizona-based lingerie distributor, sells around 40 different styles of Native American-themed costumes. Most of them are for women, and most are sexualized.
It?s past time to speak up about America?s unwillingness to address the racism and discrimination directed at Indigenous people, particularly women.
More @ https://www.hcn.org/articles/tribal-affairs-stop-selling-costumes-that-sexualize-indigenous-women
these women don?t want their traditional garb being reduced to lingerie for Halloween.
This does nothing for your argument.
If you had something other than sexy halloween costumes for women, I?d be more inclined to hop on-board the ?good Indian hair speaks to the sexualization of Native women than it does the AA community and their desire to be ?other.? I mean ?good Indian hair? is a thing BECAUSE of Black people. So I just don?t agree at ALL and I can?t apologize for that. BUT I am sorry to come off as dismissive or disrespectful in illustrating my disagreement. I try not to be that person.
Quote from: L0NZ. on November 30, 2018, 01:03:44 PM
If you had something other than sexy halloween costumes for women, I?d be more inclined to hop on-board the ?good Indian hair speaks to the sexualization of Native women than it does the AA community and their desire to be ?other.? I mean ?good Indian hair? is a thing BECAUSE of Black people. So I just don?t agree at ALL and I can?t apologize for that. BUT I am sorry to come off as dismissive or disrespectful in illustrating my disagreement. I try not to be that person.
:wub:
Quote from: southside vicious on November 29, 2018, 10:34:51 PM
Quote from: BowDown on November 29, 2018, 09:49:24 PM
My friends and I just watched this past weekend, the way they just watered down the killings, diseases, rapes, etc. This movie is problematic!
:dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:
The element of racism was definitely there. That in itself got a strong message across.
Even if you REALLY listen to the lyrics of Colors of the Wind, it's reading White people for filth - with a beautiful melody.
The song in itself says a lot of the injustices and issues White people brought to this land.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbuzskVs6rc
But I mean you can't include rape scenes in a movie made for kids.
This is one of my fave songs of all time sang by one my fave BITCHES. :stressed:
Quote from: southside vicious on November 30, 2018, 01:09:35 PM
The fact that you can look at an article and image such as that one and just go right back to "Well they ain't REALLY sexualized"
That's just unacceptable.
Because I feel like you want me to forget the part about physical features being the catalyst for the sexualization. You initially argued that hair and cheekbones being coveted by other groups was proof of that. I think your terminology was off, because that?s not sexualization.
In regards to your receipts...I don?t think these women are protesting being sexualized for their skin, hair, and cheekbones like you claimed. There?s probably articles where Black women argue that they are more than ass and titties and big booty bitches. Articles where Asian women argue that they aren?t all submissive, giggling, closet freaks like they?ve been sexualized to represent. But you gave me articles where Native women are protesting costumes. See the difference? I feel your example displays people protesting the degradation and mockery of their heritage through clothing. To me that?s not about the sexualization of the PEOPLE, but the disrespect to the culture. The same if they started making sexy costumes out of Kent? cloth, I would find that protesters were protesting the clothing being sexualized, than African people themselves. Just like the traditional, respectable nun attire is sexed up in the costumes. One would take issue with turning the robe with a damn CROSS on it, into some Victoria Secret mess with a whip. That doesn?t mean that group of people are a sexualized group of people. All of these examples include costumes because you made it about that. But the only thing sexualized, are the costumes. Native women have not been sexualized in the way other groups of women have. And it may have something to do with their shapes and masculine bones, like you said. Men objectify ALL women yes, but not to the point that ?the objectification of Native women? is a thing you want it to be. Relying on the protesting of Halloween costumes to paint the sexualization picture is actually disrespectful. If that?s the only thing you?re drawing from, you?re saying Native women are sexy and objectified one day a year. Where?s the sexualization in that? That?s all I can say on this :dead: If I say sexualization one more time I?ll kill myself.
Thanks for accepting my apology. Last time you?ll be getting one.
girl just come run the hidden pine trails of the forest and taste the sun sweet berries of the earth