I was really thinking about the R&B issue. Has the genre's subject matter at this point become reductive?
Are we tired of popping bottles and smoking? Are we tired of hearing men sing about sex instead of love? Are we tired of women singing about no good men? Have we sung the same song for to damn long?
I do! I think the blue eyed soul artist and the alternative r&b black artist have one thing in common. Stronger, deeper, more poetic lyrics.
There was a time when consumers were sick of the traditional R&B approach and started to get into Beyonce/Kandi/Ashanti style of writing. It was simple, ghetto, and catchy. Throw in a strong dose of hip hop and you have what we see today. Are people ready for a shift back to a Lauryn/Stevie/babyface style of writing.
R&B is mainly about love, and singing about love will never go out of style.
I think the presentation, promotion and support for R&B needs to change.
I don't see why heavy hitters like Dr Dre, Diddy, Jay Z ect can't form some kind of platform for Urban artists, where they have control over their own material and management. Or gather urban radio station support or TV channels like BET, VH1 to join
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
R&B is mainly about love, and singing about love will never go out of style.
I think the presentation, promotion and support for R&B needs to change.
I don't see why heavy hitters like Dr Dre, Diddy, Jay Z ect can't form some kind of platform for Urban artists, where they have control over their own material and management. Or gather urban radio station support or TV channels like BET, VH1 to join
But how many R&B singers are actually singing about love? Chris, Trey, August, Usher, and ect. seem to have a stronger focus on sex or loving a chick because of how good she is at sex. I cant really remember the last time a guy has been lyrically vunerable. Usher "Confessions" I feel may have been the last.
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on December 13, 2015, 08:51:57 AMI think the blue eyed soul artist and the alternative r&b black artist have one thing in common. Stronger, deeper, more poetic lyrics.
BULL FUCKIN SHIT
How is Justin Timberlake singing about wearing a fucking suit & tie
SOOO "deep & poetic"? Robin Thicke (who is dope) singing "Blurred Lines" is about "love and not sex"? :uhh:
Nothing is wrong with the art of R&B, it's the business that's not supporting them whether they sing about love, hate, sex or whatever else
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on December 13, 2015, 09:44:45 AM
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
R&B is mainly about love, and singing about love will never go out of style.
I think the presentation, promotion and support for R&B needs to change.
I don't see why heavy hitters like Dr Dre, Diddy, Jay Z ect can't form some kind of platform for Urban artists, where they have control over their own material and management. Or gather urban radio station support or TV channels like BET, VH1 to join
But how many R&B singers are actually singing about love? Chris, Trey, August, Usher, and ect. seem to have a stronger focus on sex or loving a chick because of how good she is at sex. I cant really remember the last time a guy has been lyrically vunerable. Usher "Confessions" I feel may have been the last.
they all have plenty of love songs, but they keep them on their albums, because radio won't play them
Then you have Tank, Joe, Tyrese, Musiq, Anthony Hamilton, Jaheim, Avant etc that song a LOT of love songs and they get sent to Urban AC.
The only Black singer with a lil success who puts out love songs is John Legend, and even with him Sam Smith gets waaay more opportunities
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 09:48:46 AM
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on December 13, 2015, 08:51:57 AMI think the blue eyed soul artist and the alternative r&b black artist have one thing in common. Stronger, deeper, more poetic lyrics.
BULL FUCKIN SHIT
How is Justin Timberlake singing about wearing a fucking suit & tie
SOOO "deep & poetic"? Robin Thicke (who is dope) singing "Blurred Lines" is about "love and not sex"? :uhh:
Nothing is wrong with the art of R&B, it's the business that's not supporting them whether they sing about love, hate, sex or whatever else
Well I do think suit & tie for a club/dance cut is still pretty different. The black male singers still are talking about sneakers and denim.
As for Blurred Lines, its about sex but its worded differently. Its not as blatant/graphic.
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 09:48:46 AM
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on December 13, 2015, 08:51:57 AMI think the blue eyed soul artist and the alternative r&b black artist have one thing in common. Stronger, deeper, more poetic lyrics.
BULL FUCKIN SHIT
How is Justin Timberlake singing about wearing a fucking suit & tie
SOOO "deep & poetic"? Robin Thicke (who is dope) singing "Blurred Lines" is about "love and not sex"? :uhh:
Nothing is wrong with the art of R&B, it's the business that's not supporting them whether they sing about love, hate, sex or whatever else
He's right stRay
just think about it
how many times is sTank gonna sing about the same shit the EXACT same way before it becomes ineffective :uhh:
the blue-eyed soul singers are going harder. you can't be mad and be a hater boy :kii:
It's not fair how flops can book award show performances but r&b can't
I think they need to do what billboard did in the 90s have r&b artists do snippets of their song back to back on award shows lmfao so sad
No iTunes banner no clear channel deals no award shows no idol, the voice etc performances no nothing
R&b females are only good for one single and it takes three to four tries for one to stick most of the time
They do need better music but it's politics if program directors want a specific sound then they have to cater to that
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 09:48:46 AM
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on December 13, 2015, 08:51:57 AMI think the blue eyed soul artist and the alternative r&b black artist have one thing in common. Stronger, deeper, more poetic lyrics.
BULL FUCKIN SHIT
How is Justin Timberlake singing about wearing a fucking suit & tie
SOOO "deep & poetic"? Robin Thicke (who is dope) singing "Blurred Lines" is about "love and not sex"? :uhh:
Nothing is wrong with the art of R&B, it's the business that's not supporting them whether they sing about love, hate, sex or whatever else
fff
they're always rushing to make these white artists seem superior to black artists and then have the nerve to wonder why black artists are "struggling".
fags, you're apart of the problem :uhh:
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on December 13, 2015, 10:05:42 AM
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 09:48:46 AM
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on December 13, 2015, 08:51:57 AMI think the blue eyed soul artist and the alternative r&b black artist have one thing in common. Stronger, deeper, more poetic lyrics.
BULL FUCKIN SHIT
How is Justin Timberlake singing about wearing a fucking suit & tie
SOOO "deep & poetic"? Robin Thicke (who is dope) singing "Blurred Lines" is about "love and not sex"? :uhh:
Nothing is wrong with the art of R&B, it's the business that's not supporting them whether they sing about love, hate, sex or whatever else
Well I do think suit & tie for a club/dance cut is still pretty different. The black male singers still are talking about sneakers and denim.
As for Blurred Lines, its about sex but its worded differently. Its not as blatant/graphic.
"suit! armani! class!"
fff you guys are hilarious
stRay is just mad that sTank and Usher are flopping tho :dead:
and those are the two prime examples of a black artist becoming reductive :kii: :kii:
????
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on December 13, 2015, 08:51:57 AM
There was a time when consumers were sick of the traditional R&B approach and started to get into Beyonce/Ashanti style of writing. It was simple, ghetto, and catchy. Throw in a strong dose of hip hop and you have what we see today. Are people ready for a shift back to a Lauryn/Stevie/babyface style of writing.
Tears.
Suit and tie was trash
If a black person sung that it would only get played on urban ac
Corny ass insta captions "long as I got my suit and tie"
not simple and ghetto AERSMDJDJDBFCBMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMC
Quote from: whatever on December 13, 2015, 10:35:45 AM
Suit and tie was trash
If a black person sung that it would only get played on urban ac
Corny ass insta captions "long as I got my suit and tie"
yea .... but he's white! HAHA!
(http://i.imgur.com/CWZGQ56.gif)
Quote from: whatever on December 13, 2015, 10:35:45 AM
Suit and tie was trash
If a black person sung that it would only get played on urban ac
Corny ass insta captions "long as I got my suit and tie"
I think if Usher did that song it wouldve smashed. Especially w/ Jay z. I dont agree. Hell ill even say Tyrese wouldve had a hit w/ his fast a furious appeal.
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 10:41:15 AM
Quote from: whatever on December 13, 2015, 10:35:45 AM
Suit and tie was trash
If a black person sung that it would only get played on urban ac
Corny ass insta captions "long as I got my suit and tie"
yea .... but he's white! HAHA!
(http://i.imgur.com/CWZGQ56.gif)
(https://images.rapgenius.com/1f02f5507a28510188b0563a8afe46fa.1000x1000x1.jpg)
:butwait!:
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on December 13, 2015, 10:46:40 AM
Quote from: whatever on December 13, 2015, 10:35:45 AM
Suit and tie was trash
If a black person sung that it would only get played on urban ac
Corny ass insta captions "long as I got my suit and tie"
I think if Usher did that song it wouldve smashed. Especially w/ Jay z. I dont agree. Hell ill even say Tyrese wouldve had a hit w/ his fast a furious appeal.
No because black ppl hyped suit and tie up just as much as white
Usher has a horrible team. Justin performed it at the Grammys and had a clear channel deal and Samsung etc commercials or whatever
Usher would premiere it on the breakfast club and pop won't touch it because he's black
I will keep saying this jealous by nick Jonas was was suppose to be the single to take Miguel to the next level
He try so hard to be diff and it's not working
Chris brown is another one who sucks
Releasing the same shit over and over again....
do these artists actually believe that shit they putting out is hot?
Watch Ed Sheeran release a first single like this . He already taking the Adele approach by announcing he's leaving social media for awhile to finish album and stuff and how he's not answering calls.
He already stole Marvin Gaye shit with that Hit song he had.
I wouldn't be surprised he release a first single like that
Black ppl omg he got so much soul real music real talent and white ppl gonna praise him as the soul king again lmao
Watch
Chris has put out great songs this era
Liquor, Zero, Back To Sleep>>>>
ssssssssssss
those are not great songs.
am mean... here's the reality. we can't cry about blue-eyed soul singers stepping outside of the box just a bit
and then call a song like Liquor great :dead:
you can't have it both ways
and we can't say what would've happened if Usher did Blurred Lines or Suit and Tie (which WOULD have fit his style)
until he actually steps up to the plate and creates
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 11:04:57 AM
Chris has put out great songs this era
Liquor, Zero, Back To Sleep>>>>
hes don't that before and as you can see the public is bored....
Lay off the drugs, get some vocal lessons and tighten up and put out music with some feeling.
That dancing shit isn't in right now....
Even Bryson tiller don't dance
Chris need to do a era that's worthwhile come up with a concept, different visuals
He been remaking MJ rock my world video since he came out
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:10:43 AM
ssssssssssss
those are not great songs.
am mean... here's the reality. we can't cry about blue-eyed soul singers stepping outside of the box just a bit
and then call a song like Liquor great :dead:
you can't have it both ways
Lmao exactly
Tinashe is flopping because she doesn't have star quality
Her videos suck and her performance outfits even suck, her image sucks
Same black hair middle part
Giving me Ariana ponytail teas
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 09:48:46 AM
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on December 13, 2015, 08:51:57 AMI think the blue eyed soul artist and the alternative r&b black artist have one thing in common. Stronger, deeper, more poetic lyrics.
BULL FUCKIN SHIT
:calmdownsis:
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:10:43 AM
ssssssssssss
those are not great songs.
am mean... here's the reality. we can't cry about blue-eyed soul singers stepping outside of the box just a bit
and then call a song like Liquor great :dead:
you can't have it both ways
where are the blue eyed singers stepping outside of the box though?
is it adele belting over a piano? let's not act like celine and barbara streisand haven't been doing that since before she was born. or justin and robin singing about suits and domesticating women?
I'm not seeing all this innovation and genius you're speaking about coming from these white artists.
Kmichelle is late
Tamar Music is too traditional would've did decent in 2005
Sevyn can't get a hit too save her life and she actually makes decent music but it's all the shit we heard before
Elijah Blake sucks and trying to dance plus he ain't that cute and he gay tryna appeal to ladies
Bryson tiller is the next august
Tyrese is fucking stale
Can't believe The weekend is prolly our last cross over since who nicki?
Guess we will wait 5 more years
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:11:32 AM
and we can't say what would've happened if Usher did Blurred Lines or Suit and Tie (which WOULD have fit his style)
until he actually steps up to the plate and creates
He did
he actually has a song called "Twisted" from
His last album, very much in the same lane as Blurred Lines (and it was recorded BEFORE) Blurred Lines
and it was ignored.
AND if these white artists are "stepping out of the box" then WHY is Robin the one who got sued for biting Marvin?
Why did Bruno Mars and Mark Ronson get sued and had to switch them credits to include Trinidad James and Gap Band?
Anyone suing Usher, and Chris? Nope
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:11:32 AM
and we can't say what would've happened if Usher did Blurred Lines or Suit and Tie (which WOULD have fit his style)
until he actually steps up to the plate and creates
AND if these white artists are "stepping out of the box" then WHY is Robin the one who got sued for biting Marvin?
Why did Bruno Mars and Mark Ronson get sued and had to switch them credits to include Trinidad James and Gap Band?
Anyone suing Usher, and Chris? Nope
dd
well drag a bit then, ray
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:11:32 AM
and we can't say what would've happened if Usher did Blurred Lines or Suit and Tie (which WOULD have fit his style)
until he actually steps up to the plate and creates
He did
he actually has a song called "Twisted" from
His last album, very much in the same lane as Blurred Lines (and it was recorded BEFORE) Blurred Lines
and it was ignored.
AND if these white artists are "stepping out of the box" then WHY is Robin the one who got sued for biting Marvin?
Why did Bruno Mars and Mark Ronson get sued and had to switch them credits to include Trinidad James and Gap Band?
Anyone suing Usher, and Chris? Nope
I love twisted
But if usher would've released it he wouldn't have did the proper video
In Bruno defense he puts a little more effort whether it's roller in his hair or whatever his video is what really sold that song
Usher would've did twisted in some "omg" "good kisser" type video
Usher got comfortable and is boring but so is Justin, but justin was coming back from a hiatus I don't think that boring shit will work this time around.
Quote from: whatever on December 13, 2015, 11:16:23 AM
Tinashe is flopping because she doesn't have star quality
Her videos suck and her performance outfits even suck, her image sucks
Same black hair middle part
Giving me Ariana ponytail teas
:plzstop:
Quote from: whatever on December 13, 2015, 11:11:52 AM
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 11:04:57 AM
Chris has put out great songs this era
Liquor, Zero, Back To Sleep>>>>
hes don't that before and as you can see the public is bored....
Lay off the drugs, get some vocal lessons and tighten up and put out music with some feeling.
That dancing shit isn't in right now....
Even Bryson tiller don't dance
Chris need to do a era that's worthwhile come up with a concept, different visuals
He been remaking MJ rock my world video since he came out
thats bull I'm sorry
Yes Chris can tighten up and get off drugs
But Justin Beiber is out here sounding just as bad
DANCING, just like Chris so clearly that's no issue
doing drugs and all, and his album is already Platinum
Stop attacking the artists because white ppl are not doing anything different, and are still getting more opportunity, selling more, and winning all the awards
Quote from: whatever on December 13, 2015, 11:27:04 AM
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:11:32 AM
and we can't say what would've happened if Usher did Blurred Lines or Suit and Tie (which WOULD have fit his style)
until he actually steps up to the plate and creates
He did
he actually has a song called "Twisted" from
His last album, very much in the same lane as Blurred Lines (and it was recorded BEFORE) Blurred Lines
and it was ignored.
AND if these white artists are "stepping out of the box" then WHY is Robin the one who got sued for biting Marvin?
Why did Bruno Mars and Mark Ronson get sued and had to switch them credits to include Trinidad James and Gap Band?
Anyone suing Usher, and Chris? Nope
I love twisted
But if usher would've released it he wouldn't have did the proper video
In Bruno defense he puts a little more effort whether it's roller in his hair or whatever his video is what really sold that song
Usher would've did twisted in some "omg" "good kisser" type video
Usher got comfortable and is boring but so is Justin, but justin was coming back from a hiatus I don't think that boring shit will work this time around.
there is nothing special about putting rollers in your hair
wtf? bye
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 11:31:58 AM
Quote from: whatever on December 13, 2015, 11:27:04 AM
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:11:32 AM
and we can't say what would've happened if Usher did Blurred Lines or Suit and Tie (which WOULD have fit his style)
until he actually steps up to the plate and creates
He did
he actually has a song called "Twisted" from
His last album, very much in the same lane as Blurred Lines (and it was recorded BEFORE) Blurred Lines
and it was ignored.
AND if these white artists are "stepping out of the box" then WHY is Robin the one who got sued for biting Marvin?
Why did Bruno Mars and Mark Ronson get sued and had to switch them credits to include Trinidad James and Gap Band?
Anyone suing Usher, and Chris? Nope
I love twisted
But if usher would've released it he wouldn't have did the proper video
In Bruno defense he puts a little more effort whether it's roller in his hair or whatever his video is what really sold that song
Usher would've did twisted in some "omg" "good kisser" type video
Usher got comfortable and is boring but so is Justin, but justin was coming back from a hiatus I don't think that boring shit will work this time around.
there is nothing special about putting rollers in your hair
wtf? bye
It actually went viral and journalists were writing stories on it. In today's time it matters. Specially when he performed lb the voice? With them.
Bruno gets it
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 11:28:11 AM
Quote from: whatever on December 13, 2015, 11:11:52 AM
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 11:04:57 AM
Chris has put out great songs this era
Liquor, Zero, Back To Sleep>>>>
hes don't that before and as you can see the public is bored....
Lay off the drugs, get some vocal lessons and tighten up and put out music with some feeling.
That dancing shit isn't in right now....
Even Bryson tiller don't dance
Chris need to do a era that's worthwhile come up with a concept, different visuals
He been remaking MJ rock my world video since he came out
thats bull I'm sorry
Yes Chris can tighten up and get off drugs
But Justin Beiber is out here sounding just as bad
DANCING, just like Chris so clearly that's no issue
doing drugs and all, and his album is already Platinum
Stop attacking the artists because white ppl are not doing anything different, and are still getting more opportunity, selling more, and winning all the awards
We live in America you have to be 10x better to get half of what they have. You can't go by white mediocrity, is it fair? NO, but you can't change that. Just because Justin is doing the bare minimum doesn't mean it's going to work for you.
Black artists set the trends Chris has already done what Justin is doing and that's the problem with Chris the same shit.
so wearing rollers is edgy and sells records now?
got it
:rudone:
:dead: @ Pharrell not giving flUsh Blurred Lines
I don't like Twisted as much, Blurred is the better song, and damn... Robin really gave a better vocal :dead:
now I really liked Good Kisser, that's what Usher should keep doing.. but I keep seeing him going back to this faux-pop mess
I haven't seen one black male release a stay with me, thinking out loud type of record.
Everything is so niche to urban radio.
Then they say oh we do that music it don't get played...well where is it?
Miguel was on the right path with adorn....
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 11:28:11 AM
Quote from: whatever on December 13, 2015, 11:11:52 AM
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 11:04:57 AM
Chris has put out great songs this era
Liquor, Zero, Back To Sleep>>>>
hes don't that before and as you can see the public is bored....
Lay off the drugs, get some vocal lessons and tighten up and put out music with some feeling.
That dancing shit isn't in right now....
Even Bryson tiller don't dance
Chris need to do a era that's worthwhile come up with a concept, different visuals
He been remaking MJ rock my world video since he came out
thats bull I'm sorry
Yes Chris can tighten up and get off drugs
But Justin Beiber is out here
Stop attacking the artists
he's out here because of USHER :dead: :kii: :kii:
like... anyway you spin it... it comes back to BLACK ARTISTS! :dead:
Quote from: ANIMMAI on December 13, 2015, 11:40:10 AM
so wearing rollers is edgy and sells records now?
got it
:rudone:
No it creates viral memes which makes people talk about the song which blows the song up. It's more to It then releasing music.....
You know everyone isn't boxed like black male artist Fitted caps, tees, skinny leg jeans and Jordan's....
I'm curious as to why do yawl keep bring up Adele, comparing her to Jazzy, saying
"oh black artist doing it the same way!"
she's not even slaying with true rnb/soul right :dead:
yawl do know that she's pop/world infused with blues elements :kii: :kii:
are we back to blaming black artists :dead:
the reality is that their heritage sets the odds against them from the get go.
doors will be slammed in their face, heads will be turned.
"oh, u black, u should know how to be soulful lolz. :ohwow: "
but a white person does the same thing and it's unique, edgy , creative and interesting.
how?! omg?! this is great :diddraispoot:
it's pretty simple
Quote from: whatever on December 13, 2015, 11:43:15 AM
I haven't seen one black male release a stay with me, thinking out loud type of record.
Everything is so niche to urban radio.
Then they say oh we do that music it don't get played...well where is it?
Miguel was on the right path with adorn....
John legend all of me*
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on December 13, 2015, 09:44:45 AM
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 09:15:13 AM
R&B is mainly about love, and singing about love will never go out of style.
I think the presentation, promotion and support for R&B needs to change.
I don't see why heavy hitters like Dr Dre, Diddy, Jay Z ect can't form some kind of platform for Urban artists, where they have control over their own material and management. Or gather urban radio station support or TV channels like BET, VH1 to join
But how many R&B singers are actually singing about love? Chris, Trey, August, Usher, and ect. seem to have a stronger focus on sex or loving a chick because of how good she is at sex. I cant really remember the last time a guy has been lyrically vunerable. Usher "Confessions" I feel may have been the last.
Tyrese most recently.
damn White privilege in R&B too :dead: commodity!
Some are totally focused on the blue eyed soul part but I also included black alternative R&B artist (I hate that term by the way).
There is a reason why Frank, Miguel, and Weeknd are gaining bigger accolades and awards. There music gets play on pop radio and the integrity of the music isnt compromised. Lyrically their music is apart from Chris, Trey, Tank. Even if they dont sell as much as the whites they still have Rolling Stone covers, Grammy Performances, anticipated releases.
Was just on snap chat Chris brown is shooting a video in a mansion and has alot of girls around him dancing nnnnnn
I believe it was at his house too
He's visually finished
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on December 13, 2015, 12:28:51 PM
Some are totally focused on the blue eyed soul part but I also included black alternative R&B artist (I hate that term by the way).
There is a reason why Frank, Miguel, and Weeknd are gaining bigger accolades and awards. There music gets play on pop radio and the integrity of the music isnt compromised. Lyrically their music is apart from Chris, Trey, Tank. Even if they dont sell as much as the whites they still have Rolling Stone covers, Grammy Performances, anticipated releases.
yeah Miguel album was like #1 on time mag list...
Frank visually is king am waiting to see what he comes up with
sssssss
wait gorls... before I jump into the whole "support black music" "rnb artist don't get the same opportunities" pity party
Tweet's single "Won't Hurt Me" dropped in September and her alberm is dropping in January
fair is fair... if yawl are gonna argue a point, go support my gorl then we'll talk :dead:
I dont really see that happening.
and don't get me wrong, or confuse my stance. sometimes I think I can sound harsh on this subject
blacks create -->whites steal ---> no credit given ---> black re-invent --> whites steal some more --> no credit given
this cycle is repeated with every genre of music we create :dead:
it's slowly starting to happen in hip-hop as well. My only thing is, we can't sit and cry about it. sTank you're innovative ... go create something. We know it isn't fair, it's that's what some of you are trying to argue, we've known it since slavery :dead:
this is interesting too ... not us basically creating country music too :dead:
... what if we had the power to snatch coin for every single thing they've infringed upon
no reparations ... no royalties ...
QuoteBlacks in the Americas (meaning all Blacks in America, the Carribean and South America drawing from African traditions) did create the Blues, Rock, Jazz, Funk, R&B, Reggae, Calypso and Gospel (Spirituals too) as well as influencing Samba, Bossa Nova, etc. rhythmically. Country music is heavily influenced by Black Gospel and Blues as well as some other European folk traditions as mentioned by Bassmeister before. Some of the melodic and harmonic elements came from European classical music also (many early Black Jazz composers studied Bach). Popular culture has always borrowed heavily from the Black sense of style in music, personal attitude, fashion and other areas in America and has influenced the world in the most profound and amazing ways and continues to do so to this day.
Blues, Gospel and Jazz have each contributed a great deal to the melodic approaches common in most American popular music whether it be in the form of "Blue notes, the Blues Scale, the Bebop scale or the numerous redefinitions of traditional melodies. They also provided new treatments for traditional European harmony in many cases (uses for Dominant harmony). Each of these contributions have made their way into mainstream American music and still exist today. Their origins can be researched and are documented.
The nature of the racist society we live in has much to do with why things may seem the way they do today. Copyright infringement, lack of access to proper legal representation, and general disenfranchisement by this country has resulted in others' ownership of music created by Blacks. The music was copied by others who later were able to create very similar music, but never quite the same.
When a peoples' language, religion, family heritage, access to work and security, etc. have all been taken from them and they are still allowed to creat art, each broken aspect of their culture will filter its way into the art they create. This is what makes their expression so powerful and compelling to the world.
Corporations (Sony, Time-Warner, etc.) who control musical product all ultimately determine what we see and hear the most and what will be available for purchase. Therefore commercial type artists will create the type of music that corporations tell them will make them "stars". True artists create for other reasons and often have messages in their music that corporations are not in favor of. The most powerful artistic creations are censored by corporations who do the will of the ruling majority.
Most of what we get as a result is the script they (corporate/military/ government complex) want us (general public) to follow: "drugs, sex and rock and roll".
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Why are black people restricted to R&B anyway?
R&B just ain't in. Jason Derulo is a flop but manages to score hits and get placements at award shows. I love R&B but I hate how it's almost like it's the only thing expected of Black artists. Especially when Black people had a hand in creating other genres that are considered white now.
The average male R&B artist has become reductive, yes.
Quote from: Lion Babe on December 13, 2015, 01:07:05 PM
d
Why are black people restricted to R&B anyway?
R&B just ain't in. Jason Derulo is a flop but manages to score hits and get placements at award shows. I love R&B but I hate how it's almost like it's the only thing expected of Black artists. Especially when Black people had a hand in creating other genres that are considered white now.
i agree with this
and that's where my step outside of the box comment came from
I feel it's fact that they sing the same shit the same way, all the damn time :dead:
I think it's two different issues at play tbh
Instead of claiming Jazmine sings the same mess as Adele (which she doesn't :dead)
I think our concerns could be of better use finding out if there are any black artists that are the same genre as Trailor and are these labels turning them away at the door.
I'm not gonna cry for these grown ass rich RnB niggas. They have opportunities, a lot more than some upcoming black artists that are truly talented and creating incredible works.
That's just the viewpoint I'm coming from
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 01:14:50 PM
I'm not gonna cry for these grown ass rich RnB niggas.
wht abt tank
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Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:41:17 AM
:dead: @ Pharrell not giving flUsh Blurred Lines
I don't like Twisted as much, Blurred is the better song, and damn... Robin really gave a better vocal :dead:
& that's the problem right there ????
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 01:39:55 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:41:17 AM
:dead: @ Pharrell not giving flUsh Blurred Lines
I don't like Twisted as much, Blurred is the better song, and damn... Robin really gave a better vocal :dead:
& that's the problem right there ????
ssssss
Why tho sis? :dead:
Robin gives a great vocal, he executed it better than FLush could have. Pharrels wanted the best for his track :supluv:
Step ya game up FLush :dead:
well better vocal is all subjective.
a lot of music stuff is political and strategic.
I'm sure Pharrell would've preferred that Britney take Milkshake, she said no dice
so he gave Kelis her scraps and she worked it better than Brit could've ever done IMO.
Quote from: Lion Babe on December 13, 2015, 01:07:05 PM
d
Why are black people restricted to R&B anyway?
R&B just ain't in. Jason Derulo is a flop but manages to score hits and get placements at award shows. I love R&B but I hate how it's almost like it's the only thing expected of Black artists. Especially when Black people had a hand in creating other genres that are considered white now.
That's real but that quote Fatley posted kinda explains the mess. These labels aren't interested in a black country singer.
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 01:44:39 PM
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 01:39:55 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:41:17 AM
:dead: @ Pharrell not giving flUsh Blurred Lines
I don't like Twisted as much, Blurred is the better song, and damn... Robin really gave a better vocal :dead:
& that's the problem right there ????
ssssss
Why tho sis? :dead:
Robin gives a great vocal, he executed it better than FLush could have. Pharrels wanted the best for his track :supluv:
Step ya game up FLush :dead:
You honestly thought Robin gave a better vocal on 'Blurred Lines' (Where he barely sang) to Usher's 'Twisted'?
the obvious simalarity in the production and the Pharrell feature, it's basically the same song ????
One wasn't even a single and the other is a overrated piece of garbage that stole the baseline of an older r&b song
But I guess it's better coz it has a White face attached to it
Quote from: Herbie on December 13, 2015, 01:48:47 PM
well better vocal is all subjective.
a lot of music stuff is political and strategic.
I'm sure Pharrell would've preferred that Britney take Milkshake, she said no dice
so he gave Kelis her scraps and she worked it better than Brit could've ever done IMO.
well I gotta admit this is the truth too
Coins and knowing who would get marketed better no doubt played into it as well.
But then what does that say about our black producers. Are they selling out? Are they selling our sounds for coin?
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 02:00:55 PM
the obvious simalarity in the production and the Pharrell feature, it's basically the same song ????
One wasn't even a single and the other is a overrated piece of garbage that stole the baseline of an older r&b song
But I guess it's better coz it has a White face attached to it
:dead:
am mean... Robin executed that song very well vocally.
I just don't personally believe it did well because he was white in this case :dead:
His song was better than Usher's, he sang it better, he gave a visual image that fit the song.
And speaking of Usher
question ... why did he take Justin Bieber under his wing instead of a young talented black boy :dead:
So if anything karma came back around and a white man sold better with a song similar to his. I don't feel bad for him :kii:
Quote from: GĖ??X on December 13, 2015, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: Lion Babe on December 13, 2015, 01:07:05 PM
d
Why are black people restricted to R&B anyway?
R&B just ain't in. Jason Derulo is a flop but manages to score hits and get placements at award shows. I love R&B but I hate how it's almost like it's the only thing expected of Black artists. Especially when Black people had a hand in creating other genres that are considered white now.
That's real but that quote Fatley posted kinda explains the mess. These labels aren't interested in a black country singer.
Well there's her.
As far as black country singers go, Darius Rucker exists too.
Quote from: Lion Babe on December 13, 2015, 02:06:25 PM
Quote from: GĖ??X on December 13, 2015, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: Lion Babe on December 13, 2015, 01:07:05 PM
d
Why are black people restricted to R&B anyway?
R&B just ain't in. Jason Derulo is a flop but manages to score hits and get placements at award shows. I love R&B but I hate how it's almost like it's the only thing expected of Black artists. Especially when Black people had a hand in creating other genres that are considered white now.
That's real but that quote Fatley posted kinda explains the mess. These labels aren't interested in a black country singer.
Well there's her.
Now Sinn' you know damn well if you didn't post that I wouldn't have heard of ha lol and wiki says she's been signed since 2011. Black people are so unfairly treated it's craze
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:11:32 AM
and we can't say what would've happened if Usher did Blurred Lines or Suit and Tie (which WOULD have fit his style)
until he actually steps up to the plate and creates
Why did Bruno Mars and Mark Ronson get sued and had to switch them credits to include Trinidad James and Gap Band?
e
wait i missed that?? when did that happen?
And the last 'innovative' I heard from Usher was 'Climax'
Which frankly shits all over 'Suit & Tie' & 'Blurred Lines'
????
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 02:16:38 PM
And the last 'innovative' I heard from Usher was 'Climax'
Which frankly shits all over 'Suit & Tie' & 'Blurred Lines'
????
Quote from: Herbie on December 13, 2015, 11:51:52 AM
are we back to blaming black artists :dead:
the reality is that their heritage sets the odds against them from the get go.
doors will be slammed in their face, heads will be turned.
"oh, u black, u should know how to be soulful lolz. :ohwow: "
but a white person does the same thing and it's unique, edgy , creative and interesting.
how?! omg?! this is great :diddraispoot:
it's pretty simple
maybe we need to pull out some banjos and start singing about out wife cheating on us and drinking moonshine and whiskey to wash the pain away
Has anyone ever heard of Twin Shadow?
I was shocked to find that he was black. :dead:
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:42:18 AM
now I really liked Good Kisser, that's what Usher should keep doing.. but I keep seeing him going back to this faux-pop mess
that was a horrible first single choice
Quote from: GĖ??X on December 13, 2015, 01:52:13 PM
Quote from: Lion Babe on December 13, 2015, 01:07:05 PM
d
Why are black people restricted to R&B anyway?
R&B just ain't in. Jason Derulo is a flop but manages to score hits and get placements at award shows. I love R&B but I hate how it's almost like it's the only thing expected of Black artists. Especially when Black people had a hand in creating other genres that are considered white now.
That's real but that quote Fatley posted kinda explains the mess. These labels aren't interested in a black country singer.
but im sure at one point they werent interested in black artists and general .. it just takes one good one to open the door
& I think black producers give white artists their best, whilst giving black artists scraps
It's a money game
Well... you get what you pay for.
Now white people make better r & b music than black people :dead: yall are fucking sad.
Nobody complains when white people make the same mindless pop music, but now r & b isnt good enough? Smh
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 01:44:39 PM
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 01:39:55 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:41:17 AM
:dead: @ Pharrell not giving flUsh Blurred Lines
I don't like Twisted as much, Blurred is the better song, and damn... Robin really gave a better vocal :dead:
& that's the problem right there ????
ssssss
Why tho sis? :dead:
Robin gives a great vocal, he executed it better than FLush could have. Pharrels wanted the best for his track :supluv:
Step ya game up FLush :dead:
Climax is more innovative and forward than anything those xeroxing honkies could ever come up with :plzstop:
Quote from: DFW>>>> on December 13, 2015, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:11:32 AM
and we can't say what would've happened if Usher did Blurred Lines or Suit and Tie (which WOULD have fit his style)
until he actually steps up to the plate and creates
Why did Bruno Mars and Mark Ronson get sued and had to switch them credits to include Trinidad James and Gap Band?
e
wait i missed that?? when did that happen?
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6553522/uptown-funk-gains-more-writers-after-gap-bands-legal-claim
these white artists are SOOOO innovative though?
but they're getting sued one by one
Prince needs to get at Justin Timberlake next
Quote from: Baphomet. on December 13, 2015, 02:29:36 PM
Well... you get what you pay for.
Thats not always the case
Producers give songs to artists they feel they can make the most money from it
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 02:44:19 PM
Quote from: DFW>>>> on December 13, 2015, 02:14:58 PM
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 11:22:20 AM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:11:32 AM
and we can't say what would've happened if Usher did Blurred Lines or Suit and Tie (which WOULD have fit his style)
until he actually steps up to the plate and creates
Why did Bruno Mars and Mark Ronson get sued and had to switch them credits to include Trinidad James and Gap Band?
e
wait i missed that?? when did that happen?
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6553522/uptown-funk-gains-more-writers-after-gap-bands-legal-claim
these white artists are SOOOO innovative though?
but they're getting sued one by one
Prince needs to get at Justin Timberlake next
Prince needs to sue Timbaland
Ummmm what's innovative about what RnB artists are doing tho stRay :dead:
like :kii:
What's innovative about what the white artists doing?
It's just commercial Urban music with a white face, opposed to the pop music music we've been accustomed to for years lol
'Daring!' 'Different!'
R&B artists are stuck in a rut arm, it's a big stagnant, but it'll refresh itself soon
There's a new crop of urban artists just starting out and their brand of R&B isn't popular yet
Quote from: whatever on December 13, 2015, 11:21:25 AM
Tamar Music is too traditional would've did decent in 2005
n
and what the fuck is Adele? futuristic? fuck outta here
Quote from: Genesis on December 13, 2015, 02:34:44 PM
Nobody complains when white people make the same mindless pop music, but now r & b isnt good enough? Smh
ssssssss
Jayd' ... the truth is Adele ain't providing anything new per se, but it's just how she's doing it and how she's executing.
you can't knock her hustle and try to say "oh well a black artist has done that"
name one black rnb artist that would record Hello or Water Under The Bridge or Love in The Dark
like... you have to give the girl credit
she's great at what she does :dead:
Adele's different vocal delivery over "Forever don't last" .... :dead: it would STILL be @ #1 IMO
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:15:28 PM
ssssssss
name one black rnb artist that would record Hello or Water Under The Bridge or Love in The Dark
Jazmine, Fantasia, maybe Faith, possibly Tamia
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Quote from: RIG on December 13, 2015, 03:17:55 PM
Adele's different vocal delivery over "Forever don't last" .... :dead: it would STILL be @ #1 IMO
Masterpiece sounds like a 80's pop ballad IMO
Adele on that would be a hit
Why not Jazmine?
right. and it wasn't about greasy vocals cuz Jazmine kept it VERY light on record :dead: there are not a bunch of runs on
her studio project at all
Right if Adele sang 'After The Hurricane' or 'Good Enough'
Ch...
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 03:18:47 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:15:28 PM
ssssssss
name one black rnb artist that would record Hello or Water Under The Bridge or Love in The Dark
Jazmine, Fantasia, maybe Faith, possibly Tamia
ssssssssssss
gorl I wholeheartedly disagree :dead:
especially 'Tasia :kii:
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:24:28 PM
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 03:18:47 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:15:28 PM
ssssssss
name one black rnb artist that would record Hello or Water Under The Bridge or Love in The Dark
Jazmine, Fantasia, maybe Faith, possibly Tamia
ssssssssssss
gorl I wholeheartedly disagree :dead:
especially 'Tasia :kii:
You would.
????
and even if they did, you have to factor in the correct delivery
even Jessie J couldn't do what 'Dele does, it's because 'Dele gives a song what it needs
I could only imagine 'Tasia hollering over Hello. She's talented vocally, but we're keeping it real in this thread, she would've done TOO much!
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:24:28 PM
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Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:15:28 PM
ssssssss
name one black rnb artist that would record Hello or Water Under The Bridge or Love in The Dark
Jazmine, Fantasia, maybe Faith, possibly Tamia
ssssssssssss
gorl I wholeheartedly disagree :dead:
especially 'Tasia :kii:
You would.
????
sss Jayd' c'mon now... you know none of those gorls would record a Hello type record, c'mon now gorl :dead: :kii:
Tasia restrains herself in the studio :uhh:
Lose To Win, is a prime example
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:26:31 PM
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Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 03:18:47 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:15:28 PM
ssssssss
name one black rnb artist that would record Hello or Water Under The Bridge or Love in The Dark
Jazmine, Fantasia, maybe Faith, possibly Tamia
ssssssssssss
gorl I wholeheartedly disagree :dead:
especially 'Tasia :kii:
You would.
????
sss Jayd' c'mon now... you know none of those gorls would record a Hello type record, c'mon now gorl :dead: :kii:
How do you really know?
Do you still think Robin served a better vocal on Blurred Lines than Usher on Twisted?
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 03:27:58 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:24:28 PM
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 03:18:47 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:15:28 PM
ssssssss
name one black rnb artist that would record Hello or Water Under The Bridge or Love in The Dark
Jazmine, Fantasia, maybe Faith, possibly Tamia
ssssssssssss
gorl I wholeheartedly disagree :dead:
especially 'Tasia :kii:
You would.
????
sss Jayd' c'mon now... you know none of those gorls would record a Hello type record, c'mon now gorl :dead: :kii:
How do you really know?
Do you still think Robin served a better vocal on Blurred Lines than Usher on Twisted?
:dead: I mean it's a fact that Robin gave a better vocal
at MOST I'd say Brandy or Beyonce would've done Hello if it was sifted to them (long distance, halo). Hello is essentially a pop song :kii:
but to say Jazmine would sing a record like Hello, and then say she'd sing it commercially (holding back) is a huge stretch
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 11:42:18 AM
now I really liked Good Kisser, that's what Usher should keep doing.. but I keep seeing him going back to this faux-pop mess
!!!!
I loved that song, and a lot of people I know did too. My mom went UP.
Old & young people were getting in, but it was mainly Black folks.
He should have just released the album at that time, but apparently having a
hit only in the Urban scene isn't good enough for him.
Once again, we discount our own people to cater to a cross over audience.
????
n
well no one supported the song. it didn't even reach the top 70 on the charts for Usher :dead: y'all didn't love it THAT
much
????
I can't stand Usher, but I actually supported that song.
THIS TOPIC IS SO FUCKING LATE
:uhh:
y'all crack me up with these topics. especially when 99% on here don't care for the vast majority of R&B artists just the same 5 flop bitches.
Quote from: imaan. on December 13, 2015, 04:46:36 PM
y'all crack me up with these topics. especially when 99% on here don't care for the vast majority of R&B artists just the same 5 flop bitches.
:dead:
well quiet as it's kept, somebody told me stRay was having a GOOD ole time in the r kelly flopped thread
but woke up as an activist today for rnb today :dead:
I wish pop and country music would get this much scrutiny.
d
Country is late as shit too.
Quote from: imaan. on December 13, 2015, 04:46:36 PM
y'all crack me up with these topics. especially when 99% on here don't care for the vast majority of R&B artists just the same 5 flop bitches.
ddssdsssssss i dont even think its a matter of ppl not liking them.. they just dont BUY.
'ron bvy :stressed:
prince :stressed:
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 13, 2015, 09:48:46 AM
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on December 13, 2015, 08:51:57 AMI think the blue eyed soul artist and the alternative r&b black artist have one thing in common. Stronger, deeper, more poetic lyrics.
BULL FUCKIN SHIT
How is Justin Timberlake singing about wearing a fucking suit & tie
SOOO "deep & poetic"? Robin Thicke (who is dope) singing "Blurred Lines" is about "love and not sex"? :uhh:
Nothing is wrong with the art of R&B, it's the business that's not supporting them whether they sing about love, hate, sex or whatever else
Oh! Poetic! Fuck you. (not you Ray. But yeah)
Still cant believe Taylor's "shake it off" went number fucking 1
please. haters gonna hate! lmao!!
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Quote from: imaan. on December 13, 2015, 04:46:36 PM
y'all crack me up with these topics. especially when 99% on here don't care for the vast majority of R&B artists just the same 5 flop bitches.
And don't even buy their mess but wanna complain.
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 04:56:16 PM
Quote from: imaan. on December 13, 2015, 04:46:36 PM
y'all crack me up with these topics. especially when 99% on here don't care for the vast majority of R&B artists just the same 5 flop bitches.
:dead:
well quiet as it's kept, somebody told me stRay was having a GOOD ole time in the r kelly flopped thread
but woke up as an activist today for rnb today :dead:
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: right
I actually buy music and I support damn near everyone. Long as I like your shit.
I'll go on a random buying spree on itunes just cause I get the urge. It's just sad when black folks don't give their own a chance. Jazmine's name is thrown around because her music ain't much different than Adele.
And all this talk about white artists stepping out the box? Huh? Please. "Hello" is not out of the box.
Quote from: imaan. on December 13, 2015, 11:46:37 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 04:56:16 PM
Quote from: imaan. on December 13, 2015, 04:46:36 PM
y'all crack me up with these topics. especially when 99% on here don't care for the vast majority of R&B artists just the same 5 flop bitches.
:dead:
well quiet as it's kept, somebody told me stRay was having a GOOD ole time in the r kelly flopped thread
but woke up as an activist today for rnb today :dead:
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: right
but he has a right to bash wack music like the type found on R. Kelly's last albums
n
Quote from: straplis on December 14, 2015, 12:00:04 AM
Quote from: imaan. on December 13, 2015, 11:46:37 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 04:56:16 PM
Quote from: imaan. on December 13, 2015, 04:46:36 PM
y'all crack me up with these topics. especially when 99% on here don't care for the vast majority of R&B artists just the same 5 flop bitches.
:dead:
well quiet as it's kept, somebody told me stRay was having a GOOD ole time in the r kelly flopped thread
but woke up as an activist today for rnb today :dead:
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: right
wack music
for the 47854757th time, you're a Ciara stan :plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: like you REEK of wackness. BITCH!
DYKE!
the fucking nerve.
He might be dewing yew, but he's thinking about meh. So lay that finger on another lover and go find another bruthaaaaaa
Quote from: imaan. on December 13, 2015, 11:46:37 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 04:56:16 PM
Quote from: imaan. on December 13, 2015, 04:46:36 PM
y'all crack me up with these topics. especially when 99% on here don't care for the vast majority of R&B artists just the same 5 flop bitches.
:dead:
well quiet as it's kept, somebody told me stRay was having a GOOD ole time in the r kelly flopped thread
but woke up as an activist today for rnb today :dead:
:plzstop: :plzstop: :plzstop: right
me laughing at R Kelly in a thread on BSource has NOTHING
to do with R&B artists getting no opportunities, selling records etc.
Good try though
Radio and tv, bust mostly radio. Can't deny its power on pop culture. So few corporations control all stations. Clear Channel being one, which is why their festival is always so star studded. With how many R&B acts exactly? ^o) We need GOOD music programming. We don't know who these artists are anymore. We just see photos of them and read what is told to us. What happened to Making The Video, Spring Break, Diary, music countdowns with interviews and performances, artists favorite video countdowns, ALBUM RELEASE SPECIALS, random shows with celebrity appearances. MTV was the shit one time. It was the number 1 station for an entire teenage/young adult generation, pre-internet launch.It was Brandy's music that captured me, buy her personality and aura that made me fall in love. She was so cute, unique, cool, beyond talented, outgoing. We all got to witness that. The magazine covers/endorsements didn't hurt so much either. ^_^ Same thing applies to other huge R&B acts at the time. Sorry for the rant. Lol.
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 02:05:52 PM
And speaking of Usher
question ... why did he take Justin Bieber under his wing instead of a young talented black boy :dead:
So if anything karma came back around and a white man sold better with a song similar to his. I don't feel bad for him :kii:
:feelinmyself:
Quote from: whatever on December 14, 2015, 01:56:04 AM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 02:05:52 PM
And speaking of Usher
question ... why did he take Justin Bieber under his wing instead of a young talented black boy :dead:
So if anything karma came back around and a white man sold better with a song similar to his. I don't feel bad for him :kii:
:feelinmyself:
Usher took plenty of Black artists under his wing
most notably Rico Love
Try again guys!
:feelinmyself:
Quote from: whatever on December 14, 2015, 01:56:04 AM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 02:05:52 PM
And speaking of Usher
question ... why did he take Justin Bieber under his wing instead of a young talented black boy :dead:
So if anything karma came back around and a white man sold better with a song similar to his. I don't feel bad for him :kii:
:feelinmyself:
Oop! :hehe:
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 14, 2015, 02:03:58 AM
Quote from: whatever on December 14, 2015, 01:56:04 AM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 02:05:52 PM
And speaking of Usher
question ... why did he take Justin Bieber under his wing instead of a young talented black boy :dead:
So if anything karma came back around and a white man sold better with a song similar to his. I don't feel bad for him :kii:
:feelinmyself:
Usher took plenty of Black artists under his wing
most notably Rico Love
Try again guys!
:feelinmyself:
this is a read within itself
Rico is a flop as an artist :dead:
yea.. wow... I kinda debunked your whole theory in here
how does that feel
:feelinmyself:
Quote from: Bentley! on December 14, 2015, 02:08:03 AM
Quote from: inluvwitbran on December 14, 2015, 02:03:58 AM
Quote from: whatever on December 14, 2015, 01:56:04 AM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 02:05:52 PM
And speaking of Usher
question ... why did he take Justin Bieber under his wing instead of a young talented black boy :dead:
So if anything karma came back around and a white man sold better with a song similar to his. I don't feel bad for him :kii:
:feelinmyself:
Usher took plenty of Black artists under his wing
most notably Rico Love
Try again guys!
:feelinmyself:
this is a read within itself
Rico is a flop as an artist :dead:
yea.. wow... I kinda debunked your whole theory in here
how does that feel
:feelinmyself:
you didn't though
you asked why Usher didn't take a young Black artist under his wing
I debunked YOUR theory because in fact he did
WAAAAY back in 2004 when Justin was a toddler
Rico flopping on proves my point. Usher signed a black and white artist
but people only bought the white boy's music
smh
:feelinmyself:
Usher also signed the group One Chance by the way
and put them in his movie and videos at the time
AND go his little brother James a hit with producing Lloyd's Get It Shawty
and Diddy Dirty Money's Lookin For Love
AND he has the New Look Foundation where he mentors young black kids and teaches them the skills to get in the business
King Ush is so philanthropic especially towards Black ppl!
:feelinmyself:
ray ur av is disrespectful :ohwow: and ive reported it :wellheythere:
Remember when Justin had the one less nigger video and Usher put on his cape and said "one thing Justin's no racist "
He don't love himself :feelinmyself:
Y'all have inspired me to become a black country singer... Go ahead and laugh but I'm serious lol..
b
cant br
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 03:25:14 PM
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name one black rnb artist that would record Hello or Water Under The Bridge or Love in The Dark
Jazmine, Fantasia, maybe Faith, possibly Tamia
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gorl I wholeheartedly disagree :dead:
especially 'Tasia :kii:
You would.
????
sss Jayd' c'mon now... you know none of those gorls would record a Hello type record, c'mon now gorl :dead: :kii:
I think all those ladies would record Hello. It would sound diffrent because of their vocal approaches. Tamia would sound most like the record.
Hello is a soul ballad. You cant compare it to modern r&b because its a older cut! Phylis Hymn and Roberta Flack are two black singers who def used this style among dozens. Its like yall are just giving the white man our legacy by calling this shit pop. This isnt Tiffany or a Duran Duran ballad.
There's a reason why the background singers and musicians on stage with Adele are predominately black! Its black music guys! LISTEN TO JOES COVER... SAME SONG.....AINT SHIT POP ABOUT IT.
I think ultimately black R&B acts need to shift back to lyrics of substance. That seems to work in this music climate.
Its a reason why Frank was choosen over chris.
There's a reason why Weeknd got a Rolling Stone cover and Trey didnt.
We can make this about white people but I think the truth is Urban R&B is boring. No body wants that legs to the sky /cant raise a man music but these ratchets and strippers for their sets.
You may not get as many sales but awards and industry respect counts for something. Kendrick isnt selling more than future but he's getting Taylor videos and 11 Grammy nominations. His lyrics has substance.
The urban approach is fucking DEAD!
Quote from: GYNandTONIC on December 14, 2015, 05:02:22 AM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 03:25:14 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:24:28 PM
Quote from: Boys Don't Cry on December 13, 2015, 03:18:47 PM
Quote from: Bentley! on December 13, 2015, 03:15:28 PM
ssssssss
name one black rnb artist that would record Hello or Water Under The Bridge or Love in The Dark
Jazmine, Fantasia, maybe Faith, possibly Tamia
ssssssssssss
gorl I wholeheartedly disagree :dead:
especially 'Tasia :kii:
You would.
????
sss Jayd' c'mon now... you know none of those gorls would record a Hello type record, c'mon now gorl :dead: :kii:
I think all those ladies would record Hello. It would sound diffrent because of their vocal approaches. Tamia would sound most like the record.
Hello is a soul ballad. You cant compare it to modern r&b because its a older cut! Phylis Hymn and Roberta Flack are two black singers who def used this style among dozens. Its like yall are just giving the white man our legacy by calling this shit pop. This isnt Tiffany or a Duran Duran ballad.
There's a reason why the background singers and musicians on stage with Adele are predominately black! Its black music guys! LISTEN TO JOES COVER... SAME SONG.....AINT SHIT POP ABOUT IT.
????
Quote from: TriBeCa on December 14, 2015, 01:55:37 AM
Radio and tv, bust mostly radio. Can't deny its power on pop culture. So few corporations control all stations. Clear Channel being one, which is why their festival is always so star studded. With how many R&B acts exactly? ^o) We need GOOD music programming. We don't know who these artists are anymore. We just see photos of them and read what is told to us. What happened to Making The Video, Spring Break, Diary, music countdowns with interviews and performances, artists favorite video countdowns, ALBUM RELEASE SPECIALS, random shows with celebrity appearances. MTV was the shit one time. It was the number 1 station for an entire teenage/young adult generation, pre-internet launch.It was Brandy's music that captured me, buy her personality and aura that made me fall in love. She was so cute, unique, cool, beyond talented, outgoing. We all got to witness that. The magazine covers/endorsements didn't hurt so much either. ^_^ Same thing applies to other huge R&B acts at the time. Sorry for the rant. Lol.