Why a lot of Black people are calling for all the marijuana offenders to be freed since its legal now, and people are legally profiting from the sale it? In my mind, it was illegal when you were selling it and smoking it, and that's why you're being punished regardless of what's happening NOW. Now the punishment may not fit the crime and that's another conversation.....but it was a crime and dassit. If in the future, the age of consent becomes fkn 14 across America, should the people in jail for statuatory rape be let go and receive reparations? To me the legalization of it doesn't make me feel that the people who are in jail are being done wrong for committing the crime when it wasn't. I don't get the outrage.
Because it's a petty ass offence to behind with tbh
Imagine sitting in jail because of...weed
Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 10:29:41 AM
Imagine sitting in jail because of...weed
I agree it's a petty offense but laws are laws. I know that the punishments don't fit the crimes a lot of the time but everyone sitting in jail fkn knew.
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I thought about this too and became conflicted.
I think I feel like the fitting thing to do would be giving out time served and reduction in sentences on a case by case basis
Because you've got a great point, when they get out, what other law are they gonna break because they don't agree with it, murder? grand theft auto? .... it does become a matter of principles thing
Would it make sense, hypothetically, that someone's time be extended if a particular crime was deemed even MORE offensive while they'd already been serving? Or would we all argue that modifications to the laws shouldn't have an impact on a sentencing already established?
Quote from: Bentley. THE Moderator. on February 28, 2020, 10:36:00 AM
I think I feel like the fitting thing to do would be giving out time served and reduction in sentences on a case by case basis
I can see that
Well these laws were created to jail black men
it was dumb then and dumb now
free the girls
and cage the Clinton's for creating it
Black men dont have to smoke weed
or sell it
But they do
like every other race
the law was created to get them off the street
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And fill those prisons because of that dumb ass bill that was passed
Well given the disproportionate amount of black ppl locked up for years with felony charges on their first offense I think they all should be released and cleared. White ppl have about the same use rate and were not prosecuted for the most part of given sentences that didn't disenfranchise them from
voting, employment, etc upon release. Weed was the stop and frisk of the drugs for black and brown folk tbwfhrn. It's really our legal system and lack of equality if everyone was getting booked I'd feel a different type away instead of large percentages of minorities.
Free em depending on their record previously
i can't really think of another crime as petty and ridiculous as having some weed on you. Unless they were selling it to children and mess
Because they were given extreme sentencing, often similar to those with violent offenses..
Free my niggas in prison.
I normally would agree that a crime is a crime. But this particular situation has had such an adverse effect on the black community, I think some contrition is fair. Especially when you look, statistically, at how the law has been enforced across ethnic groups comparatively. It's evil :uhh:
White people smoke just as much but aren't hunted and attacked for the same offense. Plus if they were arrested and jailed, they have a more lenient sentence in nearly all the cases. So yeah, I think they should be freed.
Quote from: RealMatic on February 28, 2020, 11:43:26 AM
I normally would agree that a crime is a crime. But this particular situation has had such an adverse effect on the black community, I think some contrition is fair. Especially when you look, statistically, at how the law has been enforced across ethnic groups comparatively. It's evil :uhh:
Quote from: MelMel on February 28, 2020, 11:47:14 AM
White people smoke just as much but aren't hunted and attacked for the same offense. Plus if they were arrested and jailed, they have a more lenient sentence in nearly all the cases. So yeah, I think they should be freed.
I agree in that it should be a case by case basis. If they had a squeaky clean record prior, then they should be freed. That's certainly the approach taken for white criminals with first time offences, and even those crimes are far more severe than possession of weed.
Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 11:48:52 AM
Quote from: MelMel on February 28, 2020, 11:47:14 AM
White people smoke just as much but aren't hunted and attacked for the same offense. Plus if they were arrested and jailed, they have a more lenient sentence in nearly all the cases. So yeah, I think they should be freed.
This reminds me of the Harvey/Cosby mess. I mean.
Quote from: GLOCK on February 28, 2020, 10:48:19 AM
Well these laws were created to jail black men
it was dumb then and dumb now
free the girls
and cage the Clinton's for creating it
!!!!
Mass incarceration of black people<<<<<<<<<<<
Do you think it was fair that black people got disproportionately longer, tougher sentences for crack coccaine sale/possession with the rock vs powder disparity?
You can't compare selling weed to grown men pissing on kids bby.
Free them. Weed ain't hurt nun.
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 10:31:55 AM
Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 10:29:41 AM
Imagine sitting in jail because of...weed
I agree it's a petty offense but laws are laws.
But sometimes you have to ask who are some of these laws meant to protect.
Some of these laws were created to target minority groups.
I mean it was only 100 years ago or so slavery was legal.
It's more of a moral question than a legal one at this point
Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 05:06:17 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 10:31:55 AM
Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 10:29:41 AM
Imagine sitting in jail because of...weed
I agree it's a petty offense but laws are laws.
But sometimes you have to ask who are some if these laws meant to protect.
Some of these laws were created to target minority groups.
I mean it was only 100 years ago or so slavery was legal.
It's more of a moral question than a legal one at this point
!!! laws are laws so let's stop using our brains. Pleaseeeeee
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 10:31:55 AM
Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 10:29:41 AM
Imagine sitting in jail because of...weed
I agree it's a petty offense but laws are laws. I know that the punishments don't fit the crimes a lot of the time but everyone sitting in jail fkn knew.
The prison system is profiting from a lot of black and brown bodies for a misdemeanor. It's a racist offense and niggas need to be released. Instant.
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 10:27:04 AM
Why a lot of Black people are calling for all the marijuana offenders to be freed since its legal now, and people are legally profiting from the sale it? In my mind, it was illegal when you were selling it and smoking it, and that's why you're being punished regardless of what's happening NOW. Now the punishment may not fit the crime and that's another conversation.....but it was a crime and dassit. If in the future, the age of consent becomes fkn 14 across America, should the people in jail for statuatory rape be let go and receive reparations? To me the legalization of it doesn't make me feel that the people who are in jail are being done wrong for committing the crime when it wasn't. I don't get the outrage.
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Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 10:27:04 AM
Why a lot of Black people are calling for all the marijuana offenders to be freed since its legal now, and people are legally profiting from the sale it? In my mind, it was illegal when you were selling it and smoking it, and that's why you're being punished regardless of what's happening NOW. Now the punishment may not fit the crime and that's another conversation.....but it was a crime and dassit. If in the future, the age of consent becomes fkn 14 across America, should the people in jail for statuatory rape be let go and receive reparations? To me the legalization of it doesn't make me feel that the people who are in jail are being done wrong for committing the crime when it wasn't. I don't get the outrage.
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All I'm getting is that you all don't think the selling/possession of it should have even been a crime in the first place. And that's fine but that's not the reality. I dunno it's just very black and white to me.
And the race angle, I understand the disparities, but nobody MADE them niggas sell "drugs" and they knew it was illegal. Another period. Can't blame the White man for everything. Blame him for the sentencing, but not for them niggas being on the block and shit. Unless you want to blame the White man again and say the reason they are on the block is because of lack of opportunity and etc, etc. Accountability. We're not talking laws that make it illegal for you to step into an establishment while being Black. We're talking about people choosing to commit a crime like nnnn. Again, whether you think it's should be a crime is irrelevant imo
Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 10:29:41 AM
Imagine sitting in jail because of...weed
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Yea but
Am mean... they knew it was illegal before they got booked so who can really be blamed
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 05:47:38 PM
All I'm getting is that you all don't think the selling/possession of it should have even been a crime in the first place. And that's fine but that's not the reality. I dunno it's just very black and white to me.
And the race angle, I understand the disparities, but nobody MADE them niggas sell "drugs" and they knew it was illegal. Another period. Can't blame the White man for everything. Blame him for the sentencing, but not for them niggas being on the block and shit. Unless you want to blame the White man again and say the reason they are on the block is because of lack of opportunity and etc, etc. Accountability. We're not talking laws that make it illegal for you to step into an establishment while being Black. We're talking about people choosing to commit a crime like nnnn. Again, whether you think it's should be a crime is irrelevant imo
You're missing the point bby
Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 05:06:17 PM
It's more of a moral question than a legal one at this point
Ok I'm seeing the gray in that. But I guess I'm not expecting much morality from our politicians so why entertain it. I guess that's why my attitude is so "it is what it is." I also think I have a personal beef with weed. I don't know where it comes from but when people come into a building funking up the place with that shit smelling stuff like they're cool or something, it really gets under skin tbh. And in my head I'm like "y'all know that's....illegal here right" but if they get booked they can always say they were targeted so there's that
Quote from: RealMatic on February 28, 2020, 05:55:30 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 05:47:38 PM
All I'm getting is that you all don't think the selling/possession of it should have even been a crime in the first place. And that's fine but that's not the reality. I dunno it's just very black and white to me.
And the race angle, I understand the disparities, but nobody MADE them niggas sell "drugs" and they knew it was illegal. Another period. Can't blame the White man for everything. Blame him for the sentencing, but not for them niggas being on the block and shit. Unless you want to blame the White man again and say the reason they are on the block is because of lack of opportunity and etc, etc. Accountability. We're not talking laws that make it illegal for you to step into an establishment while being Black. We're talking about people choosing to commit a crime like nnnn. Again, whether you think it's should be a crime is irrelevant imo
You're missing the point bby
The moral angle? Jayden booked me a bit, I kinda see it.
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 05:58:35 PM
Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 05:06:17 PM
It's more of a moral question than a legal one at this point
Ok I'm seeing the gray in that. But I guess I'm not expecting much morality from our politicians so why entertain it. I guess that's why my attitude is so "it is what it is." I also think I have a personal beef with weed. I don't know where it comes from but when people come into a building funking up the place with that shit smelling stuff like they're cool or something, it really gets under skin tbh. And in my head I'm like "y'all know that's....illegal here right" but if they get booked they can always say they were targeted so there's that
I saw you tweeting that the other day lol
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: RealMatic on February 28, 2020, 05:55:30 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 05:47:38 PM
All I'm getting is that you all don't think the selling/possession of it should have even been a crime in the first place. And that's fine but that's not the reality. I dunno it's just very black and white to me.
And the race angle, I understand the disparities, but nobody MADE them niggas sell "drugs" and they knew it was illegal. Another period. Can't blame the White man for everything. Blame him for the sentencing, but not for them niggas being on the block and shit. Unless you want to blame the White man again and say the reason they are on the block is because of lack of opportunity and etc, etc. Accountability. We're not talking laws that make it illegal for you to step into an establishment while being Black. We're talking about people choosing to commit a crime like nnnn. Again, whether you think it's should be a crime is irrelevant imo
You're missing the point bby
The moral angle? Jayden booked me a bit, I kinda see it.
Yeah you're looking at it from a very black and white angle and it's more complex than that.
Quote from: RealMatic on February 28, 2020, 06:04:28 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 06:00:00 PM
Quote from: RealMatic on February 28, 2020, 05:55:30 PM
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 05:47:38 PM
All I'm getting is that you all don't think the selling/possession of it should have even been a crime in the first place. And that's fine but that's not the reality. I dunno it's just very black and white to me.
And the race angle, I understand the disparities, but nobody MADE them niggas sell "drugs" and they knew it was illegal. Another period. Can't blame the White man for everything. Blame him for the sentencing, but not for them niggas being on the block and shit. Unless you want to blame the White man again and say the reason they are on the block is because of lack of opportunity and etc, etc. Accountability. We're not talking laws that make it illegal for you to step into an establishment while being Black. We're talking about people choosing to commit a crime like nnnn. Again, whether you think it's should be a crime is irrelevant imo
You're missing the point bby
The moral angle? Jayden booked me a bit, I kinda see it.
Yeah you're looking at it from a very black and white angle and it's more complex than that.
To me, committing the crime itself can only be Black and White. That's just period.
What they can do with you afterwards, is the complex part, which I acknowledged in the original post.
unless they figured out that Black people have a gene which makes us more susceptible to being weed men and such. Then committing the crime itself is complex because it's innate and out of our control
So how can't you see that the disparity in the enforcement of the law is whats causing the uproar? Like yeah, we know no one is forced to smoke, but if they do, the punishment should be comparable across the board. Then when you factor in de-criminalization and the overall trendyness of it now.....that's more than enough cause to re-evaluate. Just because it was a law doesn't mean it was a good one.
Quote from: L0NZ. on February 28, 2020, 05:47:38 PM
All I'm getting is that you all don't think the selling/possession of it should have even been a crime in the first place. And that's fine but that's not the reality. I dunno it's just very black and white to me.
And the race angle, I understand the disparities, but nobody MADE them niggas sell "drugs" and they knew it was illegal. Another period. Can't blame the White man for everything. Blame him for the sentencing, but not for them niggas being on the block and shit. Unless you want to blame the White man again and say the reason they are on the block is because of lack of opportunity and etc, etc. Accountability. We're not talking laws that make it illegal for you to step into an establishment while being Black. We're talking about people choosing to commit a crime like nnnn. Again, whether you think it's should be a crime is irrelevant imo
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Drais is a race traitor, y'all
Quote from: RealMatic on February 28, 2020, 06:11:48 PM
So how can't you see that the disparity in the enforcement of the law is whats causing the uproar? Like yeah, we know no one is forced to smoke, but if they do, the punishment should be comparable across the board. Then when you factor in de-criminalization and the overall trendyness of it now.....that's more than enough cause to re-evaluate. Just because it was a law doesn't mean it was a good one.
Probably because a lot of the narrative I hear is "you see how it's legal now?! They got nurseries and shit, profiting, and niggas in JAIL for doing the same thing!!" While there are people who go in depth as some of you have, a lot of what I hear/read sounds like the above, where people are upset that it was an offense to begin with, that people are in jail period, no matter the amount of time. And that's where I'm like a crime is a crime, while also acknowledging that there are a number of people suffering unfairly but to me that was an extension of the topic which I wasn't addressing.
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Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 10:29:12 AM
Because it's a petty ass offence to behind with tbh
Whet? Is this written in English? :disgusted:
Quote from: still....pretty on February 29, 2020, 07:21:32 AM
I'm on the fence kinda.
I've wanted to do and try plenty of things but, knowing it was illegal, I made an effort to stay away from it....And even people who were known to use it often.
So if you know something is illegal, and you choose to still mess...it's kinda on you. But at the same time, it's such a silly thing to get locked up for.
A pretty weak analogy I'm about to make but I wanna still go for it lol:
I'd say it's like coming in late to work every day. Yeah you may still get your work done, but if company policy says you should be in the office by a certain time and you choose not to....You'll get written up eventually. It's a dumb ass, relatively avoidable thing to get written up for, and yeah some may feel....if you ultimately get your work done at the end of the day either way...Why should it matter?
But sometimes rules are just the rules. And if your coworkers see you're making no effort to follow the rules, they may question why they're putting so much effort into getting into work on time. Then, before you know it, everyone is coming into work late.... Or perhaps breaking or bending OTHER rules that are in place....Because it's clear that rules don't need to be followed in order to keep your job at this company, if someone is constantly breaking one of them and not being reprimanded.
Yes, the company may revisit their policies in the future and ask "Hmm, should we amend this a bit? Make it more relaxed?" But does that mean they should call you back for a rehire after you were fired for breaking rules regarding tardiness that were in place at the time? Or even feel bad for firing you after considering how strict they were with said policy? Some may say yes, some will say no.
I think this conversation is definitely complex. But ultimately I put in effort to stay out of trouble and abide by laws that are currently in place. .... But still feel bad that people are locked up for a couple ounces of weed or whatever.
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I mean wow 🤩
:plzstop:
I personally hate weed myself, the smell makes me wanna throw up :dead:
It's so obnoxious and ducking pungent :-/
But I can't get behind serving a prison term or having a rap sheet because of it, the law was a stupid one to begin with, and the sentences carried out after was only created to target a particular group of people.
Like that ducking sagging law created somewhere in the south :dead:
They couldn't care less about some damn reefer smokers.
These damn white stoners and skater boys aren't getting booked, and if they are it's a slap on the wrist, it's the little black boys that are getting the short stick of it.
Why aren't there more whites in prison for heroin, meth and cocaine since that's the drug more likely to be sold and used by them and more dangerous?
The law is the law when its equal and its serving and protecting everybody.
Not marginalising, demonising a particular set of people.
Quote from: Jaydas Ghost on February 28, 2020, 10:29:12 AM
Because it's a petty ass offence to behind with tbh
!!! If it's legal now, who did they really harm? Jails are crowded and full of too many Blacks as it is. We were the ones most affected by those laws.
The law is supposed to be black and white
But if the law evolves so should the sentencing
And the law needed to be broken inorder for it to be changed
Thats why pardons are given sometimes
Jsut like stand ur ground law
It can be used to justify travyons case
But others have trouble invoking it in the same way
Its supposed to be black and white but pur laws and sentencing should not contradict
Which is why we have ammendments to our constitution