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R&B is pop with Ebonics language, more hip hop tinged beats and more churchy vocals. Pop and R&B producers are one and the same. The same exact composition becomes a different genre label based on the skin color of the singer.

if that was true then no one would be fuming at Usher for "selling out" and "going Pop"
or Robin Thicke and Jon B, Teena Marie etc wouldnt be separate from Celine, Adele, Justin Timberlake etc
there is a clear difference between R&B (Two Eleven) and Pop (Human) regardless of skin color

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R&B is pop with Ebonics language, more hip hop tinged beats and more churchy vocals.

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Malc...wtf man 

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There's like two good songs but I guess. Can't wait for Kendrick to return.

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Rap is doing better than R&B because they have a bigger audience
due to the homophobia, and hyper-masculinity going on in the Black community
Black straight men don't really support R&B, it's only Black women and gays

I totally disagree with this. Most people who purchase hip hop are white. And R&B couldn't have slayed the charts for so long just off of (black) male gays and women. R. Kelly, Jodeci, SWV was music f?r everyone.

I just think R&B is not a proper genre like that. It's never been. It is a code word for modern music sung by African Americans. It's basically black pop, and essentially white people's spin on R&B music is called pop.

Hip Hop has the consistent element of rapping and can change sonically with the times and still be identifiable as hip hop. R&B cannot as easily stay R&B without stagnating. I mean it's really just become pop with grease when Cassie and Anita are both R&B...

R&B is pop with Ebonics language, more hip hop tinged beats and more churchy vocals. Pop and R&B producers are one and the same. The same exact composition becomes a different genre label based on the skin color of the singer.

Rock will always be distinguished as rock for its instrumentation.

some very interesting points.

Tho I think r&b is still a sound, in general terms. I know it doesnt seem as wide/open as pop (thats probably why it is strugling too), but its a genre. Just happens that some artists explore different twists and influences that sometimes it doesnt seem r&b at all.

To me The Weeknd has a very different sound of what Id call r&b. I hear a whole different thing in his music, some electronic, and different influences. Thats why I use to use two different terms: urban and r&b, even is r&b is still urban music, but to me urban is a more open term.

my concept of r&b is definetly more limited, with some particular beats, sound, vibe and all. you know.... the Brian cox, rico love and co. type of sounds.

Weeknd has NOTHING to do with that sound, lol. Neither Bruno Mars. even Frank Ocean. These artists arent doing the r&b most people remember and know. And no shade intended, thats why they are selling too, in a sense.

Your "definition" doesn't matter.

He's R&B. Period. Moe R&B than Bruno and Frank combined.