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[Demm_]

The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. 

All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.

the "guys next door" would be considered masculine tho bby

and im kinda missing your point because its masc 4 masc the keyword being 4. its literally one person saying what they want for themselves. so its confusing to me why anyone else would have anything to say about that

unless they were just bitter that they themselves are not whats on the menu. thats the only thing i can think otherwise why do they care? how does it effect them? lol.

personally, if im not someones type, thats a turn off for me lol next-a!

but to complain 

"Guy next door" is much less restrictive, than what "masc4masc" suggests. From what I've noticed, people who say "masc4masc" focus in on the male archetype, what could be considered traits of "toxic" masculinity.

And it's fine if people want that for themselves, but it does become a legitimate issue beyond a certain point where people should just take a step back and really self-evaluate as to why they feel the way they do.

a legitimate issue to whom? why do they need to evaluate why they feel the way that they do? because you dont agree with it? again its their preference

and what exactly are you categorizing as "toxic" exactly? what are the specific traits that you feel are specifically referred to when it comes to masc 4 masc. because for me its mannerisms and speech, etc.

and again that is not saying its bad or wrong to have feminine mannerisms or speech. simply saying it doesn't make my dick hard.

A legitimate issue for themselves being that they just might miss out on the love of their life due to something trivial. It is possible to want something and to miss out on the bigger picture is all I'm saying. For all you know, until you get to really know a person, that one guy that might have feminine mannerisms would be the one that's best for you in the long run. I'm not saying it's the case, but it's a possibility. "Masc4Masc" guys are just really rigid when it comes to dating. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but you could also be a little short-sighted and deprive yourself in the process.

with all due respect, this just seems to be your one dimensional take on what you think men want or feel when they say masc 4 masc. maybe its rooted in an experience, which i can totally respect. but the very idea "masc 4 masc" guys could "miss out" is kinda ridiculous to me. how can i miss out on a guy that im not attracted to.

this also assumes thats the only requirement, which is not the case. thats just one of many preferences.

i think its also worth noting all of us as men (gay or straight) possess some level of femeninity. im not, nor do i think most m4m men are looking for a complete absence of femeninity. thats unhealthy even.

but if you pop and twirl, i love you, i support you, im just not attracted to you. that doesn't mean i cant enjoy all you have to offer as a person. and if hell freezes over and i fall for yas one day... dont see it happening but hey!

till then where manly mens at

!!!!!
All of this. How am I missing out when it doesn't appeal to ME?

[Demm_]

The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. 

All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.

the "guys next door" would be considered masculine tho bby

and im kinda missing your point because its masc 4 masc the keyword being 4. its literally one person saying what they want for themselves. so its confusing to me why anyone else would have anything to say about that

unless they were just bitter that they themselves are not whats on the menu. thats the only thing i can think otherwise why do they care? how does it effect them? lol.

personally, if im not someones type, thats a turn off for me lol next-a!

but to complain 

"Guy next door" is much less restrictive, than what "masc4masc" suggests. From what I've noticed, people who say "masc4masc" focus in on the male archetype, what could be considered traits of "toxic" masculinity.

And it's fine if people want that for themselves, but it does become a legitimate issue beyond a certain point where people should just take a step back and really self-evaluate as to why they feel the way they do.

a legitimate issue to whom? why do they need to evaluate why they feel the way that they do? because you dont agree with it? again its their preference

and what exactly are you categorizing as "toxic" exactly? what are the specific traits that you feel are specifically referred to when it comes to masc 4 masc. because for me its mannerisms and speech, etc.

and again that is not saying its bad or wrong to have feminine mannerisms or speech. simply saying it doesn't make my dick hard.

A legitimate issue for themselves being that they just might miss out on the love of their life due to something trivial. It is possible to want something and to miss out on the bigger picture is all I'm saying. For all you know, until you get to really know a person, that one guy that might have feminine mannerisms would be the one that's best for you in the long run. I'm not saying it's the case, but it's a possibility. "Masc4Masc" guys are just really rigid when it comes to dating. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but you could also be a little short-sighted and deprive yourself in the process.

with all due respect, this just seems to be your one dimensional take on what you think men want or feel when they say masc 4 masc. maybe its rooted in an experience, which i can totally respect. but the very idea "masc 4 masc" guys could "miss out" is kinda ridiculous to me. how can i miss out on a guy that im not attracted to.

this also assumes thats the only requirement, which is not the case. thats just one of many preferences.

i think its also worth noting all of us as men (gay or straight) possess some level of femeninity. im not, nor do i think most m4m men are looking for a complete absence of femeninity. thats unhealthy even.

but if you pop and twirl, i love you, i support you, im just not attracted to you. that doesn't mean i cant enjoy all you have to offer as a person. and if hell freezes over and i fall for yas one day... dont see it happening but hey!

till then where manly mens at

Yeah, you just don't get it. Godspeed.

or i have a substantive argument on the matter that you can't rebut. and thanks, same to you.

Actually, no, it's anything but. I just find it funny that you can say that I have a one-dimensional take on it when all I'm suggesting to you is to look beyond your own preferences. People always think they know so solidly what they want and what they're not attracted to.

And, not only that, you're trying to diminish my argument by trying to turn this around on me. I'm not even saying anything negative towards you. I don't have anything to gain out of this. 🤷‍♂️

When you said, "Masc4Masc" guys are rigid, how so? Just curious...

[ophababes.]

The problem with "masc4masc" is that it focuses primarily on what could be considered "toxic" masculinity. People who say that generally have deep mental issues, I've noticed. A lot of straight guys don't even take themselves that seriously. 

All I need is the average "guy next door" type, and I'm fine.

the "guys next door" would be considered masculine tho bby

and im kinda missing your point because its masc 4 masc the keyword being 4. its literally one person saying what they want for themselves. so its confusing to me why anyone else would have anything to say about that

unless they were just bitter that they themselves are not whats on the menu. thats the only thing i can think otherwise why do they care? how does it effect them? lol.

personally, if im not someones type, thats a turn off for me lol next-a!

but to complain 

"Guy next door" is much less restrictive, than what "masc4masc" suggests. From what I've noticed, people who say "masc4masc" focus in on the male archetype, what could be considered traits of "toxic" masculinity.

And it's fine if people want that for themselves, but it does become a legitimate issue beyond a certain point where people should just take a step back and really self-evaluate as to why they feel the way they do.

a legitimate issue to whom? why do they need to evaluate why they feel the way that they do? because you dont agree with it? again its their preference

and what exactly are you categorizing as "toxic" exactly? what are the specific traits that you feel are specifically referred to when it comes to masc 4 masc. because for me its mannerisms and speech, etc.

and again that is not saying its bad or wrong to have feminine mannerisms or speech. simply saying it doesn't make my dick hard.

A legitimate issue for themselves being that they just might miss out on the love of their life due to something trivial. It is possible to want something and to miss out on the bigger picture is all I'm saying. For all you know, until you get to really know a person, that one guy that might have feminine mannerisms would be the one that's best for you in the long run. I'm not saying it's the case, but it's a possibility. "Masc4Masc" guys are just really rigid when it comes to dating. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but you could also be a little short-sighted and deprive yourself in the process.

with all due respect, this just seems to be your one dimensional take on what you think men want or feel when they say masc 4 masc. maybe its rooted in an experience, which i can totally respect. but the very idea "masc 4 masc" guys could "miss out" is kinda ridiculous to me. how can i miss out on a guy that im not attracted to.

this also assumes thats the only requirement, which is not the case. thats just one of many preferences.

i think its also worth noting all of us as men (gay or straight) possess some level of femeninity. im not, nor do i think most m4m men are looking for a complete absence of femeninity. thats unhealthy even.

but if you pop and twirl, i love you, i support you, im just not attracted to you. that doesn't mean i cant enjoy all you have to offer as a person. and if hell freezes over and i fall for yas one day... dont see it happening but hey!

till then where manly mens at

Yeah, you just don't get it. Godspeed.

or i have a substantive argument on the matter that you can't rebut. and thanks, same to you.

Actually, no, it's anything but. I just find it funny that you can say that I have a one-dimensional take on it when all I'm suggesting to you is to look beyond your own preferences. People always think they know so solidly what they want and what they're not attracted to.

And, not only that, you're trying to diminish my argument by trying to turn this around on me. I'm not even saying anything negative towards you. I don't have anything to gain out of this. 🤷‍♂️

i wasnt trying to diminisn anything, i simply offered a counter to your point of view. there was nothing negative about what i said. and again, you are functioning under the assumption that masc4masc completely excludes other possibilities. a preference us just that... what your prefer. the very nature of the word suggests you're open to other things. but when youre actively looking for something of course yourr going to pursue yoyr preferences. and again, that should not be looked at as a slight to anyone who does not fall within that preference. but you seem to be intent on pushing this "deeper issue" narrative that i just don't subscribe to. m

[pCj]

I think most of the hatred comes from some "masc" people not being able to state their preference without insulting those that don't fit their definition of "masc".

[Arcstrider]

but i still believe in everyone being allowed to have their own preferences , etc.no one should be pressured to deny themselves their "dream man" for the sake of being more politically correct or inclusive.sdfdssfd

im sure there are some who turn their noses up or are confused by masculine men who specifically prefer "fem" men.
that's a very real thing as well.

Yeah, that's something I can agree with, at the very end of the day. Still, I do believe in people really examining their preferences and what it's actually based on and if whether or not there could be other issues there. And I think that's something that people owe to themselves rather than to other people; that's just personal growth.

[Arcstrider]

I think most of the hatred comes from some "masc" people not being able to state their preference without insulting those that don't fit their definition of "masc".

And that there just opens up a whole new can of worms because there's no one universal standard to masculinity. A lot of the "masc4masc" people probably don't even fit the next person's view of what masculinity is, and that's the real gotcha gotcha of it all.

[123]

I like em all, but I can't do flamboyance. Femininity is fine tho. 

[ophababes.]

I think most of the hatred comes from some "masc" people not being able to state their preference without insulting those that don't fit their definition of "masc".

what are some examples of this? because what ive seen is hatred for just the very sight of "masc4masc"

im honestly asking because i dont support the insulting theres just no reason to do that

[pCj]

I think most of the hatred comes from some "masc" people not being able to state their preference without insulting those that don't fit their definition of "masc".

what are some examples of this? because what ive seen is hatred for just the very sight of "masc4masc"

im honestly asking because i dont support the insulting theres just no reason to do that

I have a man, so I'm not on Grindr anymore ( ), but posts like the below weren't uncommon 5 years ago (and probably still are)

[ophababes.]

I think most of the hatred comes from some "masc" people not being able to state their preference without insulting those that don't fit their definition of "masc".

what are some examples of this? because what ive seen is hatred for just the very sight of "masc4masc"

im honestly asking because i dont support the insulting theres just no reason to do that

I have a man, so I'm not on Grindr anymore ( ), but posts like the below weren't uncommon 5 years ago (and probably still are)

ok yea this is gross

but look atbthe material 

[Ulysses]

Only the super fems are upset about it.